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- Subject: [pct-l] RE: Down Sleeping Bags
- From: jcoyle at sanjuan.edu (John Coyle)
- Date: Mon Nov 24 10:43:34 2003
Regarding the recent discussion of down vs. synthetic sleeping bags-I can
certainly vouch for the longevity of a down bag. I an not a thru-hiker, but
in the 70's I used a Trailwise down bag every night during four summers
working on a trail crew for the National Park Service. I bought that
particular bag because it had been mentioned in a book by Colin Fletcher. I
believe the Trailwise company is no longer in business, but at the time it
was a high-end company comparable to Western Mountaineering. I continued to
use the bag often after my time with the Park Service, and only replaced it
a year ago with a REI Sub Kilo, which is a good, reasonably priced, but not
high-end bag.
I still have the old Trailwise bag, but it is a little heavy in today's
ultra light world, is starting to clump after repeated washings, and doesn't
have the water resistant Pertex shell of the Sub Kilo. However, it is still
usable after thirty years of use-that's not bad.
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Today's Topics:
1. S Calif in December (Sam Demas)
2. sleeping bag liner (Judith Rush)
3. Backpacks (T Taylor)
4. extra large, extra light packs (Eckert)
5. Sleeping Bags (Hiker97@aol.com)
6. lost digest (JAMES)
7. Re: Backpacks (Judith Rush)
8. Re: Backpacks (Edmond Meinfelder)
9. sleeping bag liner (JAMES)
10. Re: sleeping bag liner (Edmond Meinfelder)
11. Waterproof Stuff Sacks? (Rebecca Emily Selling)
12. Re: Waterproof Stuff Sacks? (Jeffrey J. Olson)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:45:15 -0600
From: Sam Demas <sdemas@carleton.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] S Calif in December
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Hi!
We are planning a 5 day, first time walk on PCT in S. Calif. in December.
What sections are likely to be snow free and scenic at that time of year?
Ragtag Rambler
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:57:09 -0500
From: "Judith Rush" <crush@ptd.net>
Subject: [pct-l] sleeping bag liner
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Marge,
I just got it this year only used it a couple of times. I sleep in silk
longjohns, and fleece ski hat, I sleep cold,the liner helps alot. I have had
one of his tents for a number of years,its great one of the first ones Kurt
made. I just ordered a new one , my step-son will be useing my old one on
the PCT this spring.Kurt said the new tent will be close to a pound and a
half, the old one was 1lb. 12oz.
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Last night here in Boulder, CO I attended a Pacific Crest Trail slide
presentation by Chuckie V, a through-hiker in 2002. It was easily the
funniest, most entertaining show I'd ever been to and sparked the interest
of everybody who was there. I don't know if he plans any more, but I fully
recommend attending if given the chance! The pictures are classic, but his
delievery is simply superior. Look out Robin Williams and George Carlin!
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:36:37 -0800
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I'm looking for the lightest pack out there... that has a J-zip or some kind
of front panel opening and holds aprox. 5000 cu. in. The lightest i've
found with that criteria is a Mountainsmith Spector at 4 lbs. 5 oz. and 5600
cu. in. Any other suggestions?
Thanks
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In a message dated 11/22/2003 6:38:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tltaylor1976@hotmail.com writes:
> I'm looking for the lightest pack out there... that has a J-zip or some
> kind of front panel opening and holds aprox. 5000 cu. in. The lightest
i've
> found with that criteria is a Mountainsmith Spector at 4 lbs. 5 oz. and
5600 cu.
> in. Any other suggestions?
>
You could try www.ula-equipment.com Check out the P-2 with lid, that will
get you approximately the capacity you desire and has the option of the
front
panel zip. Total about 3lbs.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:57:58 -0800
From: Eckert <jape@nethere.com>
Subject: [pct-l] extra large, extra light packs
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I'm afraid I can't help you in your quest, but you've piqued my
curiosity. If you'll allow me to be nosey, what the heck are you going
carry that will fill that much space?
Eckert
T Taylor wrote:
>I'm looking for the lightest pack out there... that has a J-zip or some
kind of front panel opening and holds aprox. 5000 cu. in.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:32:34 EST
From: Hiker97@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags
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I have a Marmot Hydrogen long (1 lb. 8 oz) and it works great for me inside
a
Tarptent. I think one of the keys to sleeping warm is to have good
installation underneath. I have a Tyvek ground sheet, nylon tent floor, and
a Zrest
pad. I use my GoLite pack as a pillow. The Marmot bag is excellent quality
with 900 rated down. I think a silk liner used as an over bag for extra
cold
situations is a good idea.
By the way, here is another Switchback equipment tip. Go to the Walmart
auto
section and buy a couple of rolls of reflective tape (not the tail light
tape). Cut some pieces and tape to your pack and equipment. It makes them
highly
reflective at night with your headlamp. If you are road walking or
hitchhiking, this could be a big safety help. In camp at night it makes it
really easy
to find things. Take some clear packing tape to put over the reflective
tape
to make it more durable.
Happy trails, Switchback
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:44:54 -0800
From: JAMES <jas8313@adelphia.net>
Subject: [pct-l] lost digest
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hi
just wondering what happened to the list during the 1st part of the week..
i did not receive the digest dated.....pct-l Digest, Vol 7, Issue 22
and would like to view it... does it exist
You Are Never Too Old To Begin A Thru Hike
SirJames from Southern California
Candidate ... PCT Class of 2008
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:03:12 -0500
From: "Judith Rush" <crush@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Backpacks
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Why do you want such a large pack?
Carl
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Subject: [pct-l] Backpacks
I'm looking for the lightest pack out there... that has a J-zip or some kind
of front panel opening and holds aprox. 5000 cu. in. The lightest i've
found with that criteria is a Mountainsmith Spector at 4 lbs. 5 oz. and 5600
cu. in. Any other suggestions?
Thanks
Aranare : )
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:22:42 -0700
From: Edmond Meinfelder <edmond@mydogmeg.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Backpacks
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I think what people are hinting at is you can resupply every 4-7 days and
use a smaller pack. My pack had 3750 cubic inches and it was fine. Though,
if you want to go out for longer stretches, a larger pack makes sense, but
you'll get a lot of people commenting, "Gee, that's an awfully large pack."
This can get tiring in more than one way. This happened to me when I had a
5000 cubic inch pack on the JMT.
When I through hiked, a fair number of people used the Mountainsmith Ghost
pack. Though, by the look of it, the Ghost's straps did not hold the pack
snug against anyone's back. Still, those using the Ghost seemed to like it.
Tangent
At 09:03 PM 11/22/2003 -0500, Judith Rush wrote:
>Why do you want such a large pack?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "T Taylor" <tltaylor1976@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I'm looking for the lightest pack out there... that has a J-zip or some
kind
>of front panel opening and holds aprox. 5000 cu. in. The lightest i've
[...]
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:30:05 -0800
From: JAMES <jas8313@adelphia.net>
Subject: [pct-l] sleeping bag liner
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this brings up a question that i have about what others wear or don't wear
while sleeping.. i have heard that you will sleep warmer a natural in the
proper
rated bag for the conditions but have also seen from the journals that some
hikers upon everything that they have on cold nites.... does this meen that
your bag is too lite for the conditions...
what do you wear or not
sj
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Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping Bag Liner
clip
He talks about taking off his clothes and then getting into the liner and
bag.
Does this mean it is better not to wear any clothing in a silynlon bag
liner?
What do you think? I for one want to put my sleeping clothes on, or am I
defeating the purpose.
Cheers,
Marge the old gal
You Are Never Too Old To Begin A Thru Hike
SirJames from Southern California
Candidate ... PCT Class of 2008
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:01:35 -0700
From: Edmond Meinfelder <edmond@mydogmeg.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag liner
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When it got to near freezing, I wore everything I had while in a 20F bag. I
was just warm enough on the coldest night and too warm on the warmest
nights. However, when I started the hike, my body fat percentage was low.
As I hiked, I gained weight until in Washington, the cold didn't seem an
issue, even though it was snowing when I finished. I thought my bag was
just right.
Asking us may not give you much useful information, though. Some people
sleep warmer than others. I had a friend with the same bag as myself. He
could never stand to wear anything while, in the same conditions, I'd use a
liner and my clothes.
A mistake I made on my through hike was not viewing my sleeping/shelter
gear as an entire system. Using a tarp with a 20F bag on warm summer nights
was uncomfortably warm when the mosquitoes were biting. Next time I plan to
take a cooler, lighter bag and add a vapor barrier along with my clothes,
sleeping pad, silk liner ground sheet and tarp. I think I'll enjoy the
flexibility of the optional layers. When it gets warm (late July to early
August), I'll just drift what I do not need ahead.
Tangent
At 09:30 PM 11/22/2003 -0800, JAMES wrote:
>this brings up a question that i have about what others wear or don't wear
>while sleeping [...]
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:26:05 -0500 (EST)
From: "Rebecca Emily Selling" <res46@cornell.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] Waterproof Stuff Sacks?
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Hi All,
I'm also currently deciding on a down vs. synthetic sleeping bag.
Does anyone know if waterproof stuff sacks are made by anyone? That
would help solve the dilemma. A trash bag can work wonders, but also
rips easily and is harder to compress to a small size. I'm currently
leaning towards a down bag with a stuff sack/trash bag combo, but a
waterproof stuff sack would be cool. Any input? Thanks,
Becky Selling
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:01:35 -0700
From: "Jeffrey J. Olson" <jjolson@uwyo.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Waterproof Stuff Sacks?
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A trash bag can work wonders, but also
rips easily and is harder to compress to a small size.
In another thread someone is asking about big, light packs. I use a Golite
Gust, 4500 cu in or so, and about 20 oz. I like this pack versus one of the
smaller lightweight packs because I don't have to compress my sleeping bag.
The sleeping bag (also about 20 oz) goes in its trash bag and fills whatever
space is left at the top of the pack.
Just a thought...
Jeff Olson
Laramie WY where it's 7 degrees below zero and sunny...
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