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[pct-l] RE: pct-l Digest, Vol 6, Issue 14



Judson,

I have a Marot Moraine and to zip or un-zip the bag is a royal pain...the
draft tube gets stuck in the zipper every second!  Do not know if that
would be true for all their bags. Other than that, no problems,

Good luck and enjoy.

JoAnn


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>    1. completed PCT ride (Joanne Lennox)
>    2. Diamond Lake Resort in Oregon (Eric Yakel)
>    3. A summary on tents and tarps (Marge Prothman)
>    4. RE: CCC cuts - Hayduke (Judson Brown)
>    5. Re: Snow Predictitions (was good starting date?)
>       (Bighummel@aol.com)
>    6. RE: completed PCT ride (Marge Prothman)
>    7. Re: The Weather Challenge (PCT Mailing List)
>    8. Re: Diamond Lake Resort in Oregon (Marshall Karon)
>    9. Re: Diamond Lake Resort in Oregon (Joanne Lennox)
>   10. sleeping bags (Judson Brown)
>   11. Forest Service PCT maps (David Plotnikoff)
>   12. Re: Diamond Lake Resort in Oregon (Jeff Bohannon)
>   13. Re: sleeping bags (Marshall Karon)
>   14. Re: Wicked screensaver (CMountainDave@aol.com)
>   15. Re: Survey for Listers:  What Tent & Pack Do You Use
>       (Christopher Willett)
>   16. Re: sleeping bags (Christopher Willett)
>   17. Re: sleeping bags (Jim Keener)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:38:18 -0700
> From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] completed PCT ride
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <200310132037.h9DKb470000704@cnwmail.isomedia.com>
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> I am back on the list having completed the last half of the PCT on October
> 4  with Hopi Horse(Washington and Oregon and California to Scott Summit). 
> Since I was going South for the most part, I got to met this years crop of
> thruhikers, which was a real treat.  UNfortunately, going south also meant
> that they were going North and I was going to be a solitary wayfarer and
> camper.  I got to camp twice with somwbody else (snakecharmer in a storm,
> and Bigfoot ).
>
> Having thruhiked in 99, I may be the only person to have experienced the
> entire trail both riding and hiking.  But truely what impressed me was how
> different the two experiences were, and not because I was with a horse the
> second time.  Each time you experience the trail, it will be a different
> experience.  This year, the lack of snow and the dryness, not to mention
> the heat, made the topography that I had walked through in 99, look
> entirely different.  And we change and bring different things to the
trail.
>  It is just as rewarding the second time around.
>
> I started introducing Hopi horse as a thruhiker when I met northbound
> thruhikers; somewhat as a joke at first.  And then I realized We both were
> thruhikers.(Hopi went from Mexico to Canada last year near the Continental
> Divide, accompanied of course). Not many horses out there that have gone
> from Mexico to Canada twice and especially without another horse buddy.  I
> have gotten a lot of flak for riding alone, but have come to believe that
> it is much safer on the PCT alone ,than riding with many horses or
> equestrians. Hopi is in good shape, no ribs showing and no injuries.  He
> never did step off the trail unless there was a hole or the trail sloughed
> off under his foot.  I find it bothersome that as many horses are injured
> and lost on the trail.
>
> And it felt wonderful to be back home and warm, and safe and dry yesterday
> when it was pouring rain and the snow levels lowered to 4,000 ft. It
seemed
> that many of the thruhikers were speedy this year and that they finished
> before mid September.  I think that there are only a couple that may still
> be out there and wondering what to do in the snow.  I think of those
couple
> people a lot.
>
> Goforth 
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:04:29 -0700
> From: "Eric Yakel" <eyakel@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Diamond Lake Resort in Oregon
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <002e01c391de$5c828250$39a2b2d1@David>
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>
> By way of introduction, my name is Eric, I live about 3 miles from the
PCT in Section B of California.  By the way it was 
> 94 degrees in Warner Springs today....  Have been a member of the PCTA
for about 6 years.  I do a lot of trail maintenance work in my area and
sponsor the trail section from Lost Valley spring to Tule Spring, and
provide a lot of the trail updates in my area.  Enough of that.  I'm
planning a thru hike in 2005.  I've already learned a lot from you trail
gurus.  However, I have one question for anyone who knows;
> does Diamond Lake Resort still accept mail drops, and if so is it U.S.
mail or U.P.S.  Thanks for the help.
>                                                  Eric
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:12:41 -0600
> From: "Marge Prothman" <marge@prothman.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] A summary on tents and tarps
> To: "Pct-L" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000001c391df$813b5670$6401a8c0@marge20g04myym>
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>
>
> Nocona
> Here is a summary on tents that might help you on your lists of tarps and
> tents used.
> I had it saved, it was done by JD Schaeffer and I thought it was worth
while
> saving.
> Sori, I am not familiar on how to make it an attachment (yet).
> Cheers,
>
> Marge   [The Old Gal]
> http://www.prothman.org/marge 
>
> Summary:
> SINGLE WALL	Cost	Wght Pkd	Walls	Hght	SF	Vest
> Ibul		sf/ lb wo & w/vst 
> Wanderlust 2-4-2  - Tipi style, big but need to sit near center and work
> around hiking pole http://www.wanderlustgear.com/242.htm
> $325	1’15’ 	1	55”	45	6	 	23.23
> 26.32
>
> Tacoma II – Won Backpacker Award 2003 Similar height to 2-4-2
> http://www.trailquest.net/dlgctactent2.html
> $245	2’4”	1	40”	44	6.67 each	 	17.8 23.7
>
> Six Moon Designs Europa II
> http://www.sixmoondesigns.com/products/Europa2.asp
>
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Shelters/Tents/Six%20Moon%20Designs%
> 20Europa/Owner%20Review%20by%20Marge%20Prothman/
> $250	2’1”	1	24-41”	35	NA	 	16.97
> 16.97
> 								
> DOUBLE WALL 
> 2-lb – 3-lb 15-oz	Cost	Wght Pkd	Walls	Hght	SF	Vst
> ble		sf/lb wo & w/vst 
> Stephenson’s 2R w/ windows – 4 season tent
http://www.warmlite.com/tents.htm
> $533	2’11”	2	26-41”	42	0	  	15.63
> 15.63
>
> Mont Bell Mono Frame Hex - Floor & canopy aren’t connected
>
https://www2.montbell.com/english/asp/products/Spg_shosai.asp?cat=1204&hinba
> n=1122207
> 28,0000Y	3’2”	2	46”	40		 	12.9
>
> Mont Bell Mono Frame Shelter Diamond  - Floor & canopy aren’t connected
>
https://www2.montbell.com/english/asp/products/Spg_shosai.asp?cat=1204&hinba
> n=1122206
> 22,000Y	2’7”	2	44”	24
> 		 	9.8
> Kelty Aero 2 – Backcountry Stare has it for $119 – Too Small	$170
> 3’12”	2	42”	26.2	12.3	 	7
> 10.3
>
> TNF Canyonlands 
> Staking rear line close to tent reduces wind – recommends footprint –
hoop –
> not freestanding  - Not long enough	$179	3’14”	2	38”	25
> 9	  	6.45
> 8.77
> 								
> Name
> 4-lb – 4-lb 15-oz	Cost	Wght Pkd	Wall	Hght	SF	Ves
> Ibul		sf/ lb wo & w/vst 
> Sierra Design Ultra Flash 
>
>
http://www.summithut.com/catalog/remap/product.asp/DeptID/254/SortOrder/1/pf
> id/7628/
> $239	4’2”	2	43”	32	6	        	7.76
>
> 9.21
> Eureka Zeus 2Exo	$139	4’6”	2	42	32.7	12 Ό
> 7.47
> 10.03
>
> TNF Slickrock
> 2 doors – 1/2 fly – sml vestibules – Freestanding – Poor ventilation on
cool
> nights requires drying off in morning due to condensation  	$239	4’9”
> 1.5	39”	33	5	  	7.23
> 8.33
>
> Sierra Design Clip Flashlight CD	$169	4’8”	2	43”	32
> 6	                                                   	7.11
> 8.44
>
> Hilleberg Nallo 2	$460	4’10”	2	40”	30.1	15
> 6.69
> 10.02
>
> MSR Zoid 1.5
> 2 doors	$180	4’1”	1	34”	27.3	13.4	   	6.72
> 10
>
> LL Bean Microlight 2	$149	4’15”	2	37	32	6.9
> 6.48
> 7.88
>
> Kelty Zen	$115	4’12”	2	46”	30.2	6.6		6.36
>
> REI Coupe	$169	4’6”	2	41”	28	11.5		6.40
>
> Alps Mtneering Mystique	$120	4’3”	2	36”	25	13	2
> Doors 2 vestibules	5.97
>
> Marmot AT	$179	4’6”	2		26	7		5.94
> 								
> Name
> 5-lb – 7-lb 15-oz	Cost	Wght Pkd	Walls	Hght	SF	Vest
> ibule		SF/ LB wo & w/vst 
>
> Eureka Apex 2A	$115	5’6”	2	43	36.5	5.4		6.79
> 7.8
>
> S Designs Hyperlite	$269	5’1”	2	42”	43	8.4
> 8.49
> 10.2
>
> Eureka Apex 2A	$115	5’6”	2	43	36.5	5.4		6.79
> 7.8
> MT Hardware PCT 2	$185	5’1”	2	38”	31	12
> 6.12
> 8.49
>
> TNF Road runner 2	200	5’13”	2	39”	33	22	Two
> doors	5.68
> 9.46
>
> MSR Sidewinder 2 03	$300	7’6”			33.7	22.5
>
> MSR Velo	$400	9’8”	2	42	33	32		
> 								
> TOO LOW								
> Kelty Dart	$100	3	2	29”	18.4	9	Like a big
> bivy – too low	6.13
> 9.13
>
> Walrus Zoid	$109	3.4 lbs	1	28”	20	4	Too low	5.88
> 7.06
>
> MSR Micro zoid	$160 	2.8 lbs	1	26”	15.9	5.8	Too low	5.68
> 7.75
>
> Eureka Solitaire	$70	2’14”	1	26”	16	5
> www.campmor.com too low
> 5.57
> 7.3
>
> Marmot Home Alone (not	$189	4’0”	1	27”	20	5	Too
> low	5
> 6.25
> 								
> TOO SMALL								
> Eureka Zeus 1 Exo	$120	3’8”	2	36”	23	5.5
> 6.86
> 8.43
>
> MSR Zoid 1	$180	3.3 lbs	1	34”	16.3	7.2	Jerry Goller
> says too heavy & condensation problem	4.94
> 7.12
>
> SDesigns Ultra Lite Year	$189	3’1”	2	38	20	3
> 1 door	6.53
> 7.51
>
> Sierra Design Lite Yr CD	$139	3’2”		38”	20	3
> 6.4
> 7.36
>
> Kelty Clark	$99	4.1 lbs	2	40”	18	4		4.39
> 5.37
> 								
> PROBABLY NOT								
> Moonbow Kat – Doesn’t look comfortable
> http://www.moonbowgear.com/1trailgear/3Tents/Kat/Kat.html	$285
> 1’10”	1	40”	25		 	15.38
>
> Bibler Betamid w/floor – Too heavy!	$151	3’9”	1	45	55.4
> NA	  What about bugs?	14.21
> 14.21
>
> Wanderlust Nomad Lite http://www.wanderlustgear.com/nmadlite.htm
> $275	1’11” 	1	40”	28	4		16.59
> 18.96
>
> Golite Hex – No! Too Heavy!	$249	3’11”	1	66”	58.5	0
> For bugs, need to add Hex 3 
>
> Nest $99 & 2’6” !	15.86
> 15.86
>
> Golite Den 2 – Too heavy!	$199	3’9”	1	42”	31	NA
> 8.7
> 8.7
> 	
>
> Questions re Gear:
> 1.	If the tent is wet on the outside at the time you’re ready to pack
> it up & get on the        trail, do you just pack it until lunch and try
to
> dry it out then or…?
> 2.	How much danger is there of animals, snakes, etc. entering a
> floorless tent?
> 3.	Are there single wall tents adviseable for the PCT?
> 4.	How do you feel about GU or gel in one’s water?
> 5.	What do you prefer, chemicals or filtering?
> 6.	If filtering, which do you prefer?
> 7.	How do you feel about trail runners for backpacking?
> 8.	How do you feel about sleeping bag fill, down or synthetic?
> 9.	Do you recommend a vapor barrier inside the sleeping bag to remove
> moisture in the filling from adding weight?
> 10.	Is there some way to know if you’re replacing enough of the calories
> expended every day?
> 11.	How important is a sighting mirror on a compass?
> 	
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:12:04 -0700
> From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] CCC cuts - Hayduke
> To: "'John Manning'" <john.manning@magazines.newsquest.co.uk>,
> 	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000801c391df$6b00e0a0$7a5df142@pounder>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Just like not all Californians get any direct benefit from welfare or food
> stamps. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have those things.
>
> Judson
> An Oregonian Who Oughta Mind His Own Damn Business
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of John Manning
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:52 AM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] CCC cuts - Hayduke
>
>
> Hayduke wrote: "You have to realize that not all Californians get any
direct
> benefit from the CCC's efforts."
>
> Well maybe not, but the efforts of organisations like CCC make California
a
> better place to hike for overseas visitors like myself (I'm planning to
> thru' hike next year). I hiked in Yosemite a couple of years back and
found
> guys doing a terrific job maintaining the trails. Trails in general were
in
> a much better state than many trails in the UK.
>
> If, however, Californian trails fall into a poor state of repair because
> some short-sighted politicians swing their finance axe on perceived soft
> targets, then eventually hikers from other parts of the world will start
to
> bypass California. And the tourist dollar they bring with them will go
> elsewhere.
>
>
> John
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:32:24 EDT
> From: Bighummel@aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: Snow Predictitions (was good starting date?)
> To: pct@DelNorteResort.Com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <103.37c99372.2cbc9008@aol.com>
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>
> First and foremost, I have NO method for predicting 2 or 3 months in
advance 
> what the snowpack conditions in the Sierras will be and neither do you.
>
> Speak for yourself.  I have three months of snow records on March 1st
with 
> which to compare to the March levels of each of 30 years of snow
historical 
> records in the Sierra.  In over 80 percent of those years you could
reasonably 
> predict the approximate meltoff date from the perspective of March 1st. 
Average 
> snow levels from March 1st suggests fairly accurately that an average
date 
> meltoff was coming.  Very heavy snow levels at March 1st suggests that a
very 
> late meltoff is coming.  In 1976 and 1977 there was hardly any snow in
the 
> Sierras on March 1st and you would have wasted 5 to 6 weeks of great
hiking weather 
> if you waited to enter the Sierras until June 15th.   
>
> > "If you start from Kennedy Meadows on June 15th, you'll probably
encounter 
> > little snow."
>
> In only about 10 of the past 30 years would this work for a hiker.  It
just 
> so happens that several of the last years have been close enough to
average for 
> this to work out.   Chances are not extremely slim, they are significant.
>
> > There's no genius on your part 
>
> I don't think that I have ever claimed that, nor have I represented ever
that 
> my predictions were highly accurate or not subject to many, many
variables.
>
> > Can you predict consistently and accurately what the weather will be
2-3 
> > months out? 
>
> Nope.  But I can make an educated GUESS that might be useful to some.  It 
> seems to me that you are attempted to completely discount anything that
can be 
> gleaned from the Sierra snow reports and historical information.  It is
clearly 
> inexact and not a large data base.  I guess that I'm used to an inexact 
> science, as geology, my profession, is that.  However, even in an inexact
science by 
> observing trends, building models and using analogs, you can predict
where 
> valuable resources are hidden with fairly good results.  They wouldn't
pay me to 
> do it if I didn't find something periodically versus the results of just 
> shooting blindfolded.
>
> Ah, come on Scott, have a little fun and let me have mine.  I've never 
> represented it as anything more than a useful guideline that is highly
variable.
>
> Hike your own hike,
>
> Greg Hummel
> "Strider"
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:57:11 -0600
> From: "Marge Prothman" <marge@prothman.org>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] completed PCT ride
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000101c391ee$1a28eec0$6401a8c0@marge20g04myym>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Joanne,
> Congratulations on the completion of your 2nd thru hike with Hopi Horse.
> It is good to see you on the list again.
> Cheers,
> Marge (the old gal)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Joanne Lennox
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:38 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] completed PCT ride
>
>
> I am back on the list having completed the last half of the PCT on
October 4
> with Hopi Horse(Washington and Oregon and California to Scott Summit). 
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:30:28 -0700
> From: "PCT Mailing List" <pct@DelNorteResort.Com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The Weather Challenge
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Cc: Bighummel@aol.com
> Message-ID: <000201c391fb$1c265980$fbd1aec7@zoot>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Ok, Now we're talking. We have takers!
>
> Our participants highly unscientifically deduced guesses have been noted
and
> will be saved until said dates arrive.
>
> judsonb@internetcds.com
> > 8',10, 12'
>
> <eyakel@earthlink.net>
> January 1st -4 feet
> February 1st- 6 feet
> March 1st    - 12 feet
>
> Any other takers? Hmmm? Mr. Hummel? Care to show us how it's done?
> This is a wonderful dry run for your "Useful, but highly variable
> guideline".
> (I still can't believe you said that with a straight face) I would be
> THRILLED
> to see how your method works on 3 successive occasions.
>
> Greg States:
> "My prediction is for one who is comfortable with snow and ice conditions,
> is equipped to handle them and is comfortable doing so."
>
> Then Says:
> "In only about 10 of the past 30 years would this [June 15th departure
from
> KM]
>  work for a hiker."
>
> Yer killin' me Mr. Hummel. It appears your recently stated criteria is
> "highly variable" as well. ;)
>
> Scott Parks
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
> To: "'PCT Mailing List'" <pct@DelNorteResort.Com>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:09 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] The Weather Challenge
>
>
> > 8',10, 12'
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> > [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of PCT Mailing
> > List
> > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 8:07 PM
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] The Weather Challenge
> >
> >
> > Ok, here it is, "The Weather Challenge"
> >
> > This is meant to be all in good fun for those who are daring enough to
> > participate.
> >
> > Does anyone with special forecasting powers care to tell us what the
snow
> > depth
> > will be at Upper Tyndall Creek on Jan 1st, Feb 1st and Mar 1st?
> >
> > The catch is, you must submit you guess on or before Nov 1. It will be a
> > great test
> > of your forecasting abilities.
> >
> > I'll send anyone 25 cents for 3 accurate guess with a margin of error up
> to
> > 10% either way.
> >
> > Any takers? Hmmmm?
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Scott Parks
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:09:33 -0700
> From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Diamond Lake Resort in Oregon
> To: "Eric Yakel" <eyakel@earthlink.net>,
> 	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000a01c39200$9887fc90$6401a8c0@YOUR357898FF1F>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I suggest you contact them directly. Check out their web site:
> www.diamondlake.net
>
> However, Crater Lake is very close by, and that is a good resupply point.
> Many folks do go to Diamond Lake too. Beautiful place.
>
> However, this is 2003. What is happening in 2005 may be different. I
suggest
> you check before leaving in 2005 to see what the situation is. Things
change
> from year to year. Don't believe any books you read - they can't know what
> is going on for the season. This is especially true for Post Office hours.
>
>
> Marshall Karon
> Portland, OR
> m.karon@comcast.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Yakel" <eyakel@earthlink.net>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:04 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Diamond Lake Resort in Oregon
>
>
> By way of introduction, my name is Eric, I live about 3 miles from the PCT
> in Section B of California.  By the way it was
> 94 degrees in Warner Springs today....  Have been a member of the PCTA for
> about 6 years.  I do a lot of trail maintenance work in my area and
sponsor
> the trail section from Lost Valley spring to Tule Spring, and provide a
lot
> of the trail updates in my area.  Enough of that.  I'm planning a thru
hike
> in 2005.  I've already learned a lot from you trail gurus.  However, I
have
> one question for anyone who knows;
> does Diamond Lake Resort still accept mail drops, and if so is it U.S.
mail
> or U.P.S.  Thanks for the help.
>                                                  Eric
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:22:53 -0700
> From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Diamond Lake Resort in Oregon
> To: "Eric Yakel" <eyakel@earthlink.net>,
> 	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <200310140321.h9E3Lh72020658@cnwmail.isomedia.com>
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> Yes, Diamond Lake has a small post office in the store and accepts
> packages.
>
> By the way, I ate at the small cafe for a day before I discovered the good
> dining room upstairs.  Reservations are encouraged  but not necessary.  I
> finally got the ceasar salad that I was craving.
>
> Joanne
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:43:29 -0700
> From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] sleeping bags
> To: "pctl (E-mail)" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000101c39205$55a84a10$7a5df142@pounder>
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>
> At some point in the not-too-distant future, I'm going to be replacing my
> beat-up old LaFuma synthetic for a lightweight down bag. I've narrowed it
> down to some contenders, and I wanted to know if anyone has had experience
> with any of the following bags...
>
> Mountain Hardwear Phantom
> Mountainsmith Wisp
> Western Mountaineering Megalite or Pod 30
> Marmot Hydrogen
>
> My criteria were for a 30 degree bag weighing < 2 lbs. If you have
> experience with a bag fitting those criteria and not on this list, I'd be
> happy to hear about that, too.
>
> Judson
> Currently Using My Old French Piece-of-Merde Bag as a Blanket
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:17:50 -0800
> From: David Plotnikoff <dplotnikoff@sjmercury.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Forest Service PCT maps
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <v04011700bbb133697ef7@[192.168.1.100]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Greetings from a longtime list lurker and section hiker.
>
> The maps referenced in Tom's posting can be obtained at
> http://www.naturenw.org/ which is a clearinghouse of state and federal
> outdoor agencies information, run, I believe, but a department of the
state
> of Oregon. You'll also find all the pertinent forest maps for region six
> (Oregon and Washington). Very handy to be able to buy them all over the
web
> in one fell swoop.
>
>  I just purchased the PCT Oregon South and Central maps and would want to
> remind y'all of one caveat: These were published in 1982. The scale (an
> inch to a mile or 15 minute) is great, but a lot has changed in 20 years.
> For example, there is at least one section of the southern Oregon map
where
> the trail is still marked as "proposed" prior to the I-5 crossing. I'm
> going to refer to these maps in my planning, but when it comes to what's
> actually in my pack, I'm going primarily with Topo! custom maps (with Tom
> Reynolds' and others' excellent route overlays) and secondarily with the
> general FS maps.
>
> I can't say enough about how much Tom Reynolds' outstanding trace of the
CA
> route and the Topo! mapping program it goes on both helped me this past
> year. With an inexpensive GPS device (I used the most basic, basic Garmin
> Etrex) there was absolutely never any question exactly where I was. The
two
> technologies complemented each other perfectly. Simple, elegant, precise.
> Thank you, Tom.
>
> DP
>
>
>
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:00:39 -0700
> >From: "Tom B." <tomsmail123@msn.com>
> >Subject: [pct-l] Forest Service Maps of PCT
> >To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> >Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV71iRi3yk7Ma00002913@hotmail.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >The USDA Forest Service, Pacific Northwest Region, has special trail maps
> >available for the Pacific Crest Trail through the states of Washington
and
> >Oregon. The trail in Washington is divided into two maps (northern and
> >southern portions) and the trail in Oregon is divided into three maps
> >(northern, central, and southern portions). They were compiled from USDA
> >Forest Service, Primary Series quadrangle maps. They show a fairly broad
> >area along the trail (1" = 1 mile) and include photos and descriptions of
> >significant features. They do not provide as much detail of the trail
> >itself as the guide book maps, but are inexpensive and good for planning
> >purposes or as a supplement to the guide books. The maps can sometimes be
> >found at retail stores like REI, but are also available directly from the
> >Forest Service. I did not find them listed at the National Forest Service
> >Store (http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/nationalforeststore/) , but
> >Willamette National Forest does have them listed
> >  on their order form at
> >http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/willamette/general/mapsbrochures/wnf_maps.html .
> >
> >I contacted the USDA Forest Service, Pacific Southwest Region, to see if
> >they produced a similar map for the California portion of the PCT. The
> >following is their reply: "I received your inquiry about Pacific Crest
> >Trail maps in California. We're familiar with the USFS Pacific Northwest
> >Region's 5 PCT maps and have wanted to continue the series into
California
> >for more than 15 years. The good news is that we started doing so this
> >year. The bad news is that we've just started.  We are working with the
> >PCT Association and starting a replacement series of 20-24 trail segment
> >maps to cover California, each covering from 45-90 miles of the trail.
> >The first map to be produced will be the southernmost, basically San
Diego
> >County - available Feb 2004.  Next map to be produced has not been
> >determined.  The long range plan is to continue this series back into
> >Oregon and Washington as those maps become dated.  I have enclosed an
> >attachment that shows 20 draft trail segments (it will pr
> > obably be modified to 24 segments.)"
> >
> >It looks like they plan to produce five maps for California, each
covering
> >four trail segments.
> >
> >Tom B.
> David Plotnikoff
> Columnist/Asst. Business Editor
> San Jose Mercury News
> plotnikoff@sjmercury.com
> voice: (408) 920-5867
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:46:42 +0000
> From: "Jeff Bohannon" <jeffbohannon@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Diamond Lake Resort in Oregon
> To: eyakel@earthlink.net, PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <Law10-F89epQSmC8BnR000114cf@hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Eric Yakel" <eyakel@earthlink.net>
> >To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> I have one question for anyone who knows;
> >does Diamond Lake Resort still accept mail drops, and if so is it U.S.
mail 
> >or U.P.S.  Thanks for the help.
> >                                                  Eric
>
> Eric,
> Dropped down to Diamond Lake Post Office 3 weeks ago to send some stuff
home 
> and to check it out. I arrived at 3:30 pm on a Thursday and the
PostMistress 
> had already left for the day. I think she was suppose to be there till 4 
> pm.They were unable to help me send something out, but probably would
have 
> been able to retrieve a parcel. If you need to send something out ya
might 
> wanna get there earlier in the day.
> Hope that helps.
> Jeff (rogue
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:08:28 -0700
> From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bags
> To: <judsonb@internetcds.com>, "pctl (E-mail)"
> 	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001001c39211$34390fc0$6401a8c0@YOUR357898FF1F>
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>
> Try the Feathered Friends Swallow 800 down. Mine is just under 2 pounds,
> packs small, and works great. Do wash the bag half way through the trek.
Try
> the web site at    http://www.featheredfriends.com/
>
> Marshall Karon
> Portland, OR
> m.karon@comcast.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
> To: "pctl (E-mail)" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:43 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] sleeping bags
>
>
> > At some point in the not-too-distant future, I'm going to be replacing
my
> > beat-up old LaFuma synthetic for a lightweight down bag. I've narrowed
it
> > down to some contenders, and I wanted to know if anyone has had
experience
> > with any of the following bags...
> >
> > Mountain Hardwear Phantom
> > Mountainsmith Wisp
> > Western Mountaineering Megalite or Pod 30
> > Marmot Hydrogen
> >
> > My criteria were for a 30 degree bag weighing < 2 lbs. If you have
> > experience with a bag fitting those criteria and not on this list, I'd
be
> > happy to hear about that, too.
> >
> > Judson
> > Currently Using My Old French Piece-of-Merde Bag as a Blanket
> >
> >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 0:03:51 +0100
> From: <CMountainDave@aol.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: Wicked screensaver
> To: <PCT-L@backcountry.net>
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>
> Please see the attached file for details.
>
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>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:49:23 -0500 (EST)
> From: Christopher Willett <chwillet@indiana.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Survey for Listers:  What Tent & Pack Do You Use
> To: Karen Borski <kborski@yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> 	<Pine.GSO.3.96.1031014073430.15165B-100000@ariel.ucs.indiana.edu>
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>
> Pack: Ultalight Adventures Zenith
> Tarp: Dancing Light Tacoma tarp with carbon fiber pole (I don't 
> use trekking poles).
>
> I'd use exactly the same set up again.  The only possible change 
> would be to take a double sized bit of tyvek instead of the 
> tarp in the south.
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Karen Borski wrote:
>
> > I have a question for the list at large.
> > 
> > If you feel up to it, please either email the list or
> > me the name/brand/style of the tarp/tent AND backpack
> > you use.  I'd like to compile an informal survey (just
> > for curiousity's sake and because I'm in the market
> > for both) of what most PCT hikers are using.  
> > 
> > You can list items you wish you had or that you would
> > rather have, if you prefer.
> > 
> > My goal is to have some perspective on the range of
> > packs and tents out there now, which fit into the PCT
> > lightweight or ultralight culture.  That doesn't mean
> > I only want names of ultralight gear, I just would
> > like to know what hikers (not limited to thru-hikers,
> > by any means) are using.
> > 
> > I'll compile and send out results of this survey
> > later, if I get any.
> > 
> > To kick this off, here's what I plan to carry on my
> > PCT thru-hike next year:
> > 
> > Shelter -
> > Mountain Hardware Bat Ray (tarp-tent for desert)
> > GoLite Den (to pick up in Sierra and bump up to WA)
> > wish list:  Europa II (Six Moons Design)
> > 
> > Pack - 
> > Dana X-Racer (ultralight for dry sections)
> > Dana Glacier (just for Sierra; maybe WA)
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > Nocona
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________
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>
>
> ----------------------
> Christopher Willett
> Department of Mathematics
> Indiana University
> 831 East Third Street
> Bloomington, IN. 47405-7106
> (812)-855-1883
> chwillet@indiana.edu
> mypage.iu.edu/~chwillet
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:30:46 -0500 (EST)
> From: Christopher Willett <chwillet@indiana.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bags
> To: Judson Brown <judsonb@internetcds.com>
> Cc: "pctl \(E-mail\)" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> 	<Pine.GSO.3.96.1031014082941.15165G-100000@ariel.ucs.indiana.edu>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I used a WM Highlight 40 degree bag this summer.  I was a bit chilly in 
> the Sierra.  If I were to do it again, I'd take my Ultralight 20 from 
> Campo to Sierra City, and then switch to the Highlight.  If I 
> could only take one, I'd probably take the Ultralight.
>
> Chris
>
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Judson Brown wrote:
>
> > At some point in the not-too-distant future, I'm going to be replacing
my
> > beat-up old LaFuma synthetic for a lightweight down bag. I've narrowed
it
> > down to some contenders, and I wanted to know if anyone has had
experience
> > with any of the following bags...
> > 
> > Mountain Hardwear Phantom
> > Mountainsmith Wisp
> > Western Mountaineering Megalite or Pod 30
> > Marmot Hydrogen
> > 
> > My criteria were for a 30 degree bag weighing < 2 lbs. If you have
> > experience with a bag fitting those criteria and not on this list, I'd
be
> > happy to hear about that, too.
> > 
> > Judson
> > Currently Using My Old French Piece-of-Merde Bag as a Blanket
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
>
>
> ----------------------
> Christopher Willett
> Department of Mathematics
> Indiana University
> 831 East Third Street
> Bloomington, IN. 47405-7106
> (812)-855-1883
> chwillet@indiana.edu
> mypage.iu.edu/~chwillet
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:00:09 -0700
> From: Jim Keener <jkeener@pct04.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bags
> To: judsonb@internetcds.com,	"pctl (E-mail)"
> 	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BBB16B99.153A%jkeener@pct04.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Greetings, Judson,
>
> My experience with the Marmot Hydrogen is that it did not keep me warm at
> temperatures considerably above 30 degrees. I carried it on a hike of the
> JMT in August this year. I typically sleep warmly, but even with a pile
> jacket, pants and cap, I would be cold inside the Hydrogen bag. This was
> true every night but one.
>
> I took the bag on two trips since then: to the Trinity Alps and to the
Marin
> Headlands. In the TAs, I used the Hydrogen with a silk liner and was okay
in
> temperatures in the 40s. With the temperature in the 50s in the Marin
> Headlands, I slept comfortably.
>
> >From now on, I will carry the Hydrogen only in fairly warm climates. I,
too,
> am looking for a lightweight 30 degree bag and am eager to see more
> responses.
>
> Peace,
> Jim
>
> http://pct04.com
>
> > From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
> > Reply-To: judsonb@internetcds.com
> > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:43:29 -0700
> > To: "pctl (E-mail)" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Subject: [pct-l] sleeping bags
> > 
> > At some point in the not-too-distant future, I'm going to be replacing
my
> > beat-up old LaFuma synthetic for a lightweight down bag. I've narrowed
it
> > down to some contenders, and I wanted to know if anyone has had
experience
> > with any of the following bags...
> > 
> > Mountain Hardwear Phantom
> > Mountainsmith Wisp
> > Western Mountaineering Megalite or Pod 30
> > Marmot Hydrogen
> > 
> > My criteria were for a 30 degree bag weighing < 2 lbs. If you have
> > experience with a bag fitting those criteria and not on this list, I'd
be
> > happy to hear about that, too.
> > 
> > Judson
> > Currently Using My Old French Piece-of-Merde Bag as a Blanket
> > 
> > 
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