[pct-l] Snow past Kennedy Meadows

[akangas at att.net (Alma I. Kangas)]

Hi there,

I'll try to find out more information tonight.  My husband and the group
that he's with is about 50 miles south of Kennedy Meadows - taking two rest
days in Kernville.  He's going to call again tonight so I'll ask him if they
know of anything.  One of the guys called VVR last Friday (May 30) and they
haven't seen any hikers yet.  I'll get back in touch shortly!!

Alma


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>    1. Re: Feeding animals (was Re: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney)
>       (CMountainDave@aol.com)
>    2. Re: Feeding animals (was Re: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney)
>       (brick@fastpack.com)
>    3. Re: Museum of Backpacking (goslowgofar)
>    4. Cascade Locks to Trout Lake (macdonto@engr.orst.edu)
>    5. Hammock on PCT? (Christopher Power)
>    6. Kennedy Meadows Gathering (Hiker97@aol.com)
>    7. marmots (JohnDRandall@aol.com)
>    8. RE: Hammock on PCT? (Marge Prothman)
>    9. Re: Hammock on PCT? (Steve Courtway)
>   10. Re: Hammock on PCT? (Bighummel@aol.com)
>   11. thru-hiking in 2005 (SophiesHuman1@aol.com)
>   12. Re: Feeding animals (was Re: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney)
>       (CMountainDave@aol.com)
>   13. Re: Museum of Backpacking (Marion Davison)
>   14. Re: Museum of Backpacking (ROYROBIN@aol.com)
>   15. Re: Cascade Locks to Trout Lake (Marshall Karon)
>   16. Re: Re: pct-l PCT: Steven's Pass to Stehekin? (ron M smith)
>   17. Snow past Kennedy Meadows? (Dan)
>   18. Re: Snow past Kennedy Meadows? (Marshall Karon)
>   19. Re: Museum of Backpacking (Richard)
>   20. RE: Museum of Backpacking (Paul Schilke)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:18:40 EDT
> From: CMountainDave@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Feeding animals (was Re: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney)
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <11e.22619322.2c1226f0@aol.com>
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> In a message dated 6/6/03 8:35:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> teamcourage@attbi.com writes:
>
> <<
>  that is dirffrant they control the amount that is fed and they still get
>  naturel foods. thatr was started ebfore they had the resrech studes to
show
>  the harm and it would be harder on the naimls to stop then continue
>   >>
> How is it different? Are they or are they not dependent on food given to
them
> by humans? The statement was made that feeding wild animals is selfish, Is
it
> selfish in this case or humane. The statement was also made that a fed
animal
> is a dead animal. Is that or is that not true in this case. One can make
that
> statement when bears are involved because they become a dangerous
nuisance,
> but I'm not convinced when it comes to say,gray jays and chipmunks. One
could
> just as easily argue that bird feeders allow many birds to make it through
the
> winter. In fact, people are encouraged to throw out bread crumbs in harsh
> winters. Is that to be considered selfish or humane?If you say the laws of
nature
> are harsh, then why do people bother to try and save beached whales or
even
> sick humans for that matter. The only marmot I ever fed snuck up on me and
stole
> a bagel that I put down for just a moment. The only solution I could see
was
> to not be there at all, a bit of an extremist view in my opinion except
for
> wildlife refugees. Was that a selfish act? I fed an animal, intentionally
or
> not. Should I feel guilt because I fed it so it is probably dead? I don't
think
> so. I prefer to think that it was nursing and could use all the nutrients
it
> could get
>   One could argue hypothetically that animals that survive because of
human
> feeding weren't meant to survive and that their offspring causes
overpopulation
> that leads to wide spread demise of the species. One could also say that
the
> fittest of these animals are going to survive no matter what and that only
the
> weak will perish in any event. Who is to know for sure. All I know is that
> their seems to be no shortage of chipmunks despite decades of handouts
from
> tourists
>  Guess I just don't like blanket catch all phrases, such as never hike
alone
> or never glissade on a glacier. Many things depend on the circumstances,
not
> rules. I won't live my life in a straight jacket saying this is black and
this
> is white. There are many shades of gray.
>  So I agree-- don't feed the bears!! It is definitly bad for them
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:30:13 -0700
> From: brick@fastpack.com
> Subject: Re: Feeding animals (was Re: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney)
> To: CMountainDave@aol.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030606102910.03bdaed0@209.95.109.37>
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> At 10:18 AM 6/6/03, CMountainDave@aol.com wrote:
> >  Guess I just don't like blanket catch all phrases, such as never hike
alone
> >or never glissade on a glacier. Many things depend on the circumstances,
not
> >rules. I won't live my life in a straight jacket saying this is black and
> >this
> >is white. There are many shades of gray.
>
> See my .Sig
>
> --
> Brick Robbins
>
> Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more
> uncivilized the man,
> the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong.
> All human
> progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the
current
> moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce
them.
> The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant, in this field as
> in all others.
> His culture is based on "I am not too sure."
>
> --- H.L.Mencken, writer, editor, and critic (1880-1956)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:32:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: goslowgofar <goslowgofar@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Museum of Backpacking
> To: P C T List <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20030606173251.85258.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Yes, I believe it is located in Mad Monte's
> basement!!! ;)
>
> --- John Mertes <jmertes@verizon.net> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Sitting around musing instead of hiking. Got to
> > thinking.  Is there a
> > Museum of Backpacking?  If so, where?  If not, why
> > not?  There are
> > museums for just about everything else.  Perhaps
> > this Museum could be a
> > collection in a larger museum.
> >
> > My thought for the day.
> >
> > John
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri,  6 Jun 2003 11:02:30 -0700
> From: macdonto@engr.orst.edu
> Subject: [pct-l] Cascade Locks to Trout Lake
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Is there any major points of interest, or wisdom, along the 80 miles from
> cascade locks to trout lake.  I have made the hike from Timberline to
cascade
> locks several times, and visa versa, but never gone to the washinton side.
I
> am planning a thru hike across oregon later this summer and need to start
> getting back in shape.
>
> Todd
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:38:41 -0400
> From: "Christopher Power" <cjpower@runbox.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hammock on PCT?
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <00cc01c32c63$3cb168f0$92ad83ac@delldimxpst600>
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>
> I LOVE my Hennessy Hammock.  I'd LOVE to use it on my 2004 PCT thruhike,
> but I suspect that for some sections it just doesn't make sense - there
> are no trees in the desert are there?  And I bet there's a lack of trees
> above treeline too.
>
> Does anyone have experience thruhiking with a hammock?  Would it maybe
> make sense to hammock part of the trail and tent/tarp the rest?  If so,
> which sections would you recommend?
>
> Chris
>
> p.s. Am I the only one who can't search the archives?  I get an error
> message.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:45:21 EDT
> From: Hiker97@aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Kennedy Meadows Gathering
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <b0.3a1b4123.2c124951@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> When is the gathering of thru hikers this year at Kennedy Meadows?  I know
it
> is mid June, but the Sierra snows vary the date a little.  Thanks,
Switchback
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:20:01 -0400
> From: JohnDRandall@aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] marmots
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <150021FC.4924BD6D.271033DD@aol.com>
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> I agree with the "fed animal is a dead animal" opinion.  Marmots are very
persistent critters.  I had one eat the straps on a Gregory pack to get to
the salt residue.  Hiked out with two threads for straps.
>
> john randall
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:44:24 -0600
> From: "Marge Prothman" <marge@prothman.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Hammock on PCT?
> To: "'Christopher Power'" <cjpower@runbox.com>,
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000d01c32c6c$6c957490$6401a8c0@marge20g04myym>
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>
> Chris,
> There are some people sleeping in Hammocks right now on the PCT Trail, do
> not know if they
> were at the Kick Off or not and I do not know if they are putting a
journal
> on line.  If you go to the following url and click on 2003 and Pacific
Crest
> Trail Journals you will see a number of people who are posting their
> journals there.
> http://www.trailjournals.com
>
>
> THIS IS A QUOTE FROM "The Northerner" 2003 Trail Journals
> After returning to shore with them, I even went out for a second trip with
> Teatree, Apple Pie (again), and another hiker I haven't mentioned before,
> Tapeworm, who is part of another group of hikers called the Ewoks (because
> they all live in trees by sleeping in hammocks) they have been hiking
about
> the same pace as we have
> END OF QUOTE
>
> You have to be careful in certain areas regarding Hammocks, Lake Morena
> State Park will not allow them and I do not know who else will not.
>
> Marge   [The Old Gal]
> http://www.prothman.org/marge
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Power
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:39 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Hammock on PCT?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:15:34 -0700
> From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hammock on PCT?
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <07fa01c32c70$c7bc1fa0$6500a8c0@station101>
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>
> >There are some people sleeping in Hammocks right now on the PCT Trail
>
> I hope not they'll never make it to canada
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marge Prothman" <marge@prothman.com>
> To: "'Christopher Power'" <cjpower@runbox.com>;
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:44 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Hammock on PCT?
>
>
> >
> > Chris,
> > There are some people sleeping in Hammocks right now on the PCT Trail,
do
> > not know if they
> > were at the Kick Off or not and I do not know if they are putting a
> journal
> > on line.  If you go to the following url and click on 2003 and Pacific
> Crest
> > Trail Journals you will see a number of people who are posting their
> > journals there.
> > http://www.trailjournals.com
> >
> >
> > THIS IS A QUOTE FROM "The Northerner" 2003 Trail Journals
> > After returning to shore with them, I even went out for a second trip
with
> > Teatree, Apple Pie (again), and another hiker I haven't mentioned
before,
> > Tapeworm, who is part of another group of hikers called the Ewoks
(because
> > they all live in trees by sleeping in hammocks) they have been hiking
> about
> > the same pace as we have
> > END OF QUOTE
> >
> > You have to be careful in certain areas regarding Hammocks, Lake Morena
> > State Park will not allow them and I do not know who else will not.
> >
> > Marge   [The Old Gal]
> > http://www.prothman.org/marge
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> > [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Christopher
> > Power
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:39 PM
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Hammock on PCT?
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:03:49 EDT
> From: Bighummel@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hammock on PCT?
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <1e2.a806410.2c1269c5@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Two hikers, Nathan and ?,  who were at the Kickoff, one of which is a
cousin
> of Paul Hacker (PCT 1977), called him from Cajon Pass and had him bring
them
> the Hennessey Hammocks that they bought at the Kickoff and traded their
> homemade tarps with him.  One has subsequently suffered a bad pulled
muscle in his
> lower leg and is resting a few days hoping it will repair and he can carry
on.
>
> IMHO, carrying a tarp-tent in southern California in most typical weather
> years will work and then trading to a hammock for the Sierra and north
could
> work.   Yep, there are stretches where you may not find a proper set-up
for a
> hammock, however, with the included rain fly you can easily set up a
tarp-like
> system with it and get by most conditions.  If it gets really nasty you
could set
> it up on the ground with trekking poles.
>
> I like the idea and have been playing with my hammock a bit.  It is a
great
> addition to the shelter alternatives and I plan to use it for several up
coming
> trips to get my feet wet (or rather, keep from!).
>
> IMHO,
>
> Greg "Strider" Hummel
>
> P.S.  Has anyone heard from the other "Strider" who was at the Kickoff and
is
> supposedly hiking the PCT this year?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:16:00 EDT
> From: SophiesHuman1@aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] thru-hiking in 2005
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> I'll will be thru-hiking the pct in2005. I did the AT in 99 with my dog.
Do
> most people solo the pct? Will I need a compass?
>  Anybody looking for a partner to start the trail with in 05?
>     coppertop
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:07:05 EDT
> From: CMountainDave@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Feeding animals (was Re: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney)
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <bb.32284db8.2c12b0d9@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> In a message dated 6/6/03 9:49:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> robertlogue@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << Yes. This ensures the survival of the fittest, which is in the
>  long-term interest of the elk.
>   >>
> Perhaps you should e-mail the Jackson Hole Elk Preserve with your
suggestion
> because their biologists are apparently misinformed bleeding hearts who
lack
> your perception and understanding of the process of evolution. But not to
> worry. Marauding bands of ravenous wolves from nearby Yellowstone should
soon have
> a real chow down by ripping elk fawns by the hundreds to bits. That'll
teach
> them bleeding hearts to mess with Mother Nature
>  On a lighter note, they are predicting possible snow in Denver tonight,
with
> 1 to 3 inches possible above 6000' and a whole bunch above 9000'
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:04:32 -0700
> From: Marion Davison <mardav@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Museum of Backpacking
> To: John Mertes <jmertes@verizon.net>, PCT List
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <3EE1725F.60D66F5@charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>
> John Mertes wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Sitting around musing instead of hiking. Got to thinking.  Is there a
> > Museum of Backpacking?  If so, where?
>
> The Washington Museum is in Mad Monte's basement.  The California Museum
of
> backpacking and old-time boy scouting is in the attic of the Davison house
> in Apple Valley, who traded in their backpacks and the boy scouts for a
> herd of scruffy llamas.
> llamalady
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:39:48 EDT
> From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Museum of Backpacking
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net, jmertes@verizon.net
> Message-ID: <21.304fab13.2c12c694@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> There was some talk at the AT Gathering last year about creating a hiking
> museum.  There is a lot of AT-related memorabilia around that will
probably be
> lost if no home can be found for it.  The obstacles are many:  Place,
space,
> storage, management, maintenace.  Read that $$$$.
>
> There is a lot of history associated not only with the AT but all the long
> trails.  Anything that makes the general public more aware of our National
> Scenic Trails can only benefit the trails and those who hike them.
However, a
> museum is not normally a money-making enterprise.  It needs a benefactor,
not only
> to start the ball rolling but as a long-term backer.  Somebody like the
> Smithsonian Museum of Natural History or National Geographic?
>
> Somehow I can't visualize a long line of people paying to see Flyin'
Brian's
> old Trail Runners or the first CatStove, or even Monte's wood-handled ice
axe.
>  Perhaps more practical and attainable would be a "Historic, Humorous or
> Otherwise Interesting Stuff about Backpacking" website.  A virtual museum!
Any
> volunteers?
> _____
>
> > Is there a Museum of Backpacking?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:44:15 -0700
> From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@attbi.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cascade Locks to Trout Lake
> To: <macdonto@engr.orst.edu>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000c01c32caf$756ca820$6401a8c0@YOUR357898FF1F>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I have hiked both the PCT trail and the road to Panther Creek from Cascade
> Locks.  Quite honestly, I liked neither. A side trip up Table Mountain
(very
> steep) from the PCT would make that way memorable. Otherwise, I remember
> lots of ups and downs, not too many great views, and a terrible clear cuts
> (that was in 2000). But, doing the trail would get you in shape.
>
> The road? well, its pavement, quiet after turning off Highway 14. It is
> shorter than the trail and much easier. Enough said.
>
>
> Marshall Karon
> Portland, OR
> m.karon@attbi.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <macdonto@engr.orst.edu>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:02 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Cascade Locks to Trout Lake
>
>
> > Is there any major points of interest, or wisdom, along the 80 miles
from
> > cascade locks to trout lake.  I have made the hike from Timberline to
> cascade
> > locks several times, and visa versa, but never gone to the washinton
side.
> I
> > am planning a thru hike across oregon later this summer and need to
start
> > getting back in shape.
> >
> > Todd
> > _______________________________________________
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> > pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 00:58:00 -0400
> From: "ron M smith" <ronyon@lycos.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: Re: pct-l PCT: Steven's Pass to Stehekin?
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <NEBJKJBOICPMLDAA@mailcity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I meant Red Pass below, I don't recommend glissading down Fire Creek Pass!
> Ron
> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:21:40 -0400
> >From: "ron M smith" <ronyon@lycos.com>
> >Subject: [pct-l] Re: pct-l PCT: Steven's Pass to Stehekin?
> >To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> >Message-ID: <OKOJACNCNNNFLDAA@mailcity.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >It's true that Fire Creek Pass will almost always have snow, but I found
that to be an advantage as it makes for an easy, fun, and fast (but not too
fast) glissade down. An ice axe will be handy, especially around Mica Lake,
which seems to have its own sub-artic micro-climate. I'm not sure about the
crampons. A call to a ranger station is worth-while. This section is the
most demanding in Washington and Oregon, but without a doubt the wildest and
most scenic. I'd plan on 75% of your normal mileage.
> >--Ron
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:49:26 -0700
> From: "Dan" <dansphar@cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Snow past Kennedy Meadows?
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001401c32cb8$8e29bb10$0502a8c0@dan>
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>
> Has anyone heard word from hikers between Kennedy and VVR.  I guess that
there should be quite a few hiking that section currently. Just looking for
an update on the conditions that they ended up facing.  I talked to a couple
of hikers that had gotten to Kennedy meadows on Wednesday June 4th that
decided not to cross because they didn't want to deal with the snow, and
heard that others had grouped up to head through and chop steps.  I began in
Campo on may 23rd and hiked about a hundred miles, then decided that the
heat wasn't for me.  I'd like to begin again at Kennedy meadows when the
snow has subsided enough, or has it already?  What about shoes.  What kind
of shoes are people wearing that would be crossing that section at this
time.  Are running shoes good enough or will they just not cut it?
>
>                                                                 Dan
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 01:18:29 -0700
> From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@attbi.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow past Kennedy Meadows?
> To: "Dan" <dansphar@cox.net>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001101c32ccd$608320b0$6401a8c0@YOUR357898FF1F>
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> Regarding shoes: It depends on the snow and ice conditions. I have know
> hikers who went through with sandals, running shoes, leather boots, and
> light weight boots. It is your choice. If you do sandals or running shoes,
> wear extra socks for warmth and have extra pairs as they get wet. Boots
give
> more support and are better for kicking steps, if needed. Take gators to
> keep the snow out if you post hole. I did light weight cloth boots - glad
to
> have used them, but still got a bit wet. In 2000, I think running shoes
> would have also worked.
>
> Marshall Karon
> Portland, OR
> m.karon@attbi.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan" <dansphar@cox.net>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:49 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Snow past Kennedy Meadows?
>
>
> Has anyone heard word from hikers between Kennedy and VVR.  I guess that
> there should be quite a few hiking that section currently. Just looking
for
> an update on the conditions that they ended up facing.  I talked to a
couple
> of hikers that had gotten to Kennedy meadows on Wednesday June 4th that
> decided not to cross because they didn't want to deal with the snow, and
> heard that others had grouped up to head through and chop steps.  I began
in
> Campo on may 23rd and hiked about a hundred miles, then decided that the
> heat wasn't for me.  I'd like to begin again at Kennedy meadows when the
> snow has subsided enough, or has it already?  What about shoes.  What kind
> of shoes are people wearing that would be crossing that section at this
> time.  Are running shoes good enough or will they just not cut it?
>
>                                                                 Dan
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 06:09:02 -0700
> From: Richard <calliger@infolane.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Museum of Backpacking
> To: Marion Davison <mardav@charter.net>, John Mertes
> <jmertes@verizon.net>, PCT List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Can't be..backpacking is strictly defined as pack on a
> Human pack. Horse and other packing is NOT backpacking.
> Just as airplane museumm does not display horses or cats
> or llamas, a backpack museum has nothing to do with
> animals...John Muir would not qualify to have his Ass
> displayed there either. Sorry, Charlie.
>
> Spit on once too many,
>
> Richard
>
> At 10:04 PM 6/6/03 -0700, Marion Davison wrote:
> >
> >
> >John Mertes wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Sitting around musing instead of hiking. Got to thinking.  Is there a
> >> Museum of Backpacking?  If so, where?
> >
> >The Washington Museum is in Mad Monte's basement.  The California Museum
of
> >backpacking and old-time boy scouting is in the attic of the Davison
house
> >in Apple Valley, who traded in their backpacks and the boy scouts for a
> >herd of scruffy llamas.
> >llamalady
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:04:50 -0400
> From: "Paul Schilke" <paul@qtm.net>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Museum of Backpacking
> To: "'Richard'" <calliger@infolane.com>, "'Marion Davison'"
> <mardav@charter.net>, "'John Mertes'" <jmertes@verizon.net>, "'PCT
> List'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Ahh but hanggliders and space are stored with the planes in
> the "Aerosspace museum" or the "history of flight
> collection".
>
> So change the title to museum of trekking, wilderness travel
> or "Outdoor Sports"  you could get soome sponsorship
> perhaps...
>
> Paul Schilke
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-
> > bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Richard
> > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:09 AM
> > To: Marion Davison; John Mertes; PCT List
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Museum of Backpacking
> >
> > Can't be..backpacking is strictly defined as pack on a
> > Human pack. Horse and other packing is NOT backpacking.
> > Just as airplane museumm does not display horses or cats
> > or llamas, a backpack museum has nothing to do with
> > animals...John Muir would not qualify to have his Ass
> > displayed there either. Sorry, Charlie.
> >
> > Spit on once too many,
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > At 10:04 PM 6/6/03 -0700, Marion Davison wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >John Mertes wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> Sitting around musing instead of hiking. Got to
> thinking.  Is there a
> > >> Museum of Backpacking?  If so, where?
> > >
> > >The Washington Museum is in Mad Monte's basement.  The
> > California Museum of
> > >backpacking and old-time boy scouting is in the attic of
> the Davison
> > house
> > >in Apple Valley, who traded in their backpacks and the
> boy scouts for
> > a
> > >herd of scruffy llamas.
> > >llamalady
> > >
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