[pct-l] Military Rations

[scottie.wujcik@xxxxxx (WUJCIK,SCOTTIE (HP-Corvallis,ex1))]

A one meal MRE is about the weight of several day's of more tasteful food.
Unless you broke the packaging down and repacked everything, MRE's are very
heavy, and are loaded to the carb side of the food pyramid.  Although having
had to subsist on C-rations in Viet Nam, and then MRE's later in life, I'd
rather take my chances and live off bug's, plants and anything else I can
find in the wild.  Just from my past experiences.

Scottie
3lungs

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: (Guest Post) PCT Advice (David Davis)
   2. Re: (Guest Post) PCT Advice (Slyatpct@aol.com)
   3. Ursack (Eric Lehman)
   4. RE: military rations (Mark Verber)
   5. Why I live in Washington (Gray)
   6. MRE's and Lurps (Montedodge@aol.com)
   7. Re: equipment questions (Bighummel@aol.com)
   8. Military Rations (Tony Nitz)
   9. Re: MRE's and Lurps (Lonetrail@aol.com)
  10. Re: Military Rations (Richard)
  11. Re: RE: [pct-l] PCT & Public Land Use - Agua Dulce to Lake Hughes
(dsaufley@sprynet.com)
  12. Re: PCT & Public Land Use - Agua Dulce to Lake Hughes
(Lonetrail@aol.com)
  13. Re: Skeeters??? (JD Schaefer)
  14. Re: Last resort weapons (JD Schaefer)
  15. Re: Last resort weapons (Lonetrail@aol.com)
  16. ADZ Gear Contest (ROYROBIN@aol.com)
  17. Re: Rain Gear Reccomendations??? (ROYROBIN@aol.com)
  18. tent (AliMac1111@aol.com)
  19. Re: Skeeters??? (brick@webrooster.com)
  20. Re: (Guest Post) PCT Advice (Brian Robinson)
  21. Not so fast!  Re: [pct-l] Last resort weapons (Richard)
  22. Re: MRE's and Lurps (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
  23. Re: Military Rations (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
  24. Re: Last resort weapons (Dave Fales)
  25. Memories of MRE's and other rations (Marion Davison)
  26. Re: (Guest Post) PCT Advice (Bighummel@aol.com)
  27. Re:  equipment questions (Karen Borski)
  28. Re: MRE's and Lurps (CMountainDave@aol.com)
  29. Re: Last resort weapons (CMountainDave@aol.com)
  30. phone cards (t shaffer)
  31. Down vs. Synthetic (Jason Hebert)
  32. RE: Down vs. Synthetic (Ronald Moak)
  33. Snowpeak Gigapower question (Nathan Goldfarb)
  34. PCT Video for Sale (Rachel Pilley)
  35. Border crossing.. for canucks?! (Erica Francis)
  36. Re: Snowpeak Gigapower question (Marshall Karon)
  37. Would it be possible to arrange a ride from San Diego or Lake Morena
to Campo early in the morning about April 11 ? (Alistair & Gail Des Moulins)
  38. Re: Down vs. Synthetic (CMountainDave@aol.com)
  39. Sleeping options... (Brad Wilson)
  40. Re: Snowpeak Gigapower question (Ed Gilroy)

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Message: 1
From: "David Davis" <dave@livebythepark.com>
To: "JD Schaefer" <jdrows@attbi.com>, <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (Guest Post) PCT Advice
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:07:45 -0800

Hmm? I'd say the trail temporarily stops being fun at the bottom of almost
every hill.

----- Original Message -----
From: "JD Schaefer" <jdrows@attbi.com>
To: <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (Guest Post) PCT Advice


> While very helpful in terms of defining ranges for my planned PCT '04,
> Carl's description resonates more about the *destination* than the
> *journey*.
>
> It is helpful to know what one is capable of, in the event the Trail
> ever stops being fun (whether temporary or not) and a shift of focus
> is necessary. JD
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl S Lofgren" <stefanlofgren@yahoo.com>
> To: <PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 2:17 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] (Guest Post) PCT Advice
>
> > I walked the PCT in 83 days in 2001 (2 months and 3 weeks).  I just
> > put
an
> acrobat file on my webpage that compiled some advice of mine and other
> people's.  Thought you may be interested.
>
>
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Message: 2
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:45:21 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (Guest Post) PCT Advice
To: jdrows@attbi.com, pct-l@backcountry.net

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In a message dated 3/31/2003 12:56:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jdrows@attbi.com writes:

> While very helpful in terms of defining ranges for my planned PCT '04,
> Carl's description resonates more about the *destination* than the
> *journey*.
>

The ultralight's guide to finishing the trail as quickly as possible.  To
each their own, but I'd prefer to spend 5 or 6 months on a trail then three.

YMMV,

Sly

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:48:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Lehman <e_lehman@theory.lcs.mit.edu>
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Ursack

Maybe Ursacks are bear-proof, but a *mouse* ate a hole through mine.

/Eric



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Message: 4
From: "Mark Verber" <mark@verber.com>
To: <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] military rations
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:09:55 -0800

> Does anyone have info on those military rations they are using in
> Iraq?
> (MRE's?): weight, calories, price and availability. I'd really like to try
> some on a backpacking trip

There are a number of different versions of the MRE.  The basic MRE is ~13oz
and around ~1250cal, mostly carbs.  The DLA has a description of them on
their website. http://www.dscp.dla.mil/subs/rations/meals/mres.htm

You can certaining find cheaper, lighter, and more compact foods.

--Mark


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Message: 5
From: "Gray" <gray@mindpoison.org>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:36:03 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Why I live in Washington

This picture pretty much sums up why I love living here in Washington.

http://mindpoison.org/images/2003/march/mountainloop/big_four_ridge.jpg

Took it this Friday evening while waiting for our chili to cook while
camping across the valley from Big Four Mountain (this is the east ridge, I
think), near the Mountain Loop Highway.

It's going to be interesting leaving the scenery I love for several months,
only to end up back here with my backyard as the icing on my PCT attempt.

I'm also going to miss my cast-iron Dutch oven... but I figure even drilling
holes in it won't make it light enought to pack with me, though it might
make it a Dutch colander!

On a side note, we were able to get much further up Mountain Loop than I've
been able to this early in the season. We were in a little Honda, and made
it withing a couple miles of Barlow Pass. Snow seems to be melting off
quickly, and we got to spend Saturday morning watching avalanches crashing
down the mountain for hours.

Gray, chuckling over the image of carrying that heavy thing strapped to my
pack for 2600 miles


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Message: 6
From: Montedodge@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:58:00 EST
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] MRE's and Lurps

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 MRE's I think have 3,500 cal. in them. BUT it takes 3,000 cals. of energy
to open all the packages and after two days half the volume of your pack
will be empty MRE packages.
    Lurps? I bought some last summer at a junk store( looking for stoves and
lanterns) I think they were made about 1973 . The candy bars had turned an
off white color and tasted like soap.  But the rest of this 30 year old food
tasted better than I remember our hot lunches at high school being.
   MRE's for the thu-hiker would be a poor choice. Lurps, I've been told
,haven't been made for years now.

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Message: 7
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:12:44 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] equipment questions
To: maripper@mindspring.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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Matt writes:

> I'm not interested in making my own alcohol stove at this point,

At least two people will be bringing to give away and making and showing how
to make alcohol popcan stoves at the ADZ.

Greg

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Message: 8
Reply-To: <tony@tonynitz.com>
From: "Tony Nitz" <pt@hikertrash.com>
To: "PCT-L" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:41:45 -0800
Organization: Tony A. Nitz
Subject: [pct-l] Military Rations

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I've carried MREs while long-distance backpacking, and found them to be
particularly useful under specific circumstances.  The difference between
MREs and freeze-dried foods is that the MREs are not dehydrated. They are
fully hydrated, cooked, ready to eat meals.  That's the main reason they're
so much heavier.  When hiking through the southern California desert I found
that carrying MREs actually SAVED me weight from my backpack!  First, Ken
was absolutely correct when he mentioned all the extra stuff in the meal
package, and the extra packaging.  What I did before my hike through
California in 2000 was open every individual meal package I intended to
carry, and separate out all the individual courses from the larger package.
It saved a substantial amount of the total weight by removing the accessory
package and the outer meal packaging.  Second, I did not carry any cooking
gear whatsoever; no pot, no stove, and no fuel.  Also, the 500 miles or so
of desert hiking required that I carry up to two gallons of water per day on
my back.  Keep in mind that I don't believe in reliance on the water caches
set out by trail angels.  I'll take advantage of them if I come across one
and need it, but I won't plan for them.  Since I'm needing to carry so much
water anyway, the pound or two of extra water in a few days of MREs isn't
really extra weight.  I'm just carrying the water already mixed in my food
rather than using my clean water supply to hydrate my food.  The fact that
MREs are very high calorie meals saves weight, too, when you consider the
calories per pound.  Two pounds of peanut butter will take you much farther
than two pounds of rice, for example.  I did usually carry one or two of the
meal heating packs that come in most MRE meal packages.  It is simply a
plastic sleeve with a dry chemical inside.  You add 1-2oz of water to
activate the chemical and insert a seal main course package.  In about five
minutes you have a piping hot meal.  A real treat on a couple of colder
nights.  If you're short of water, urine works just as well since the heated
water does not come in contact with the food.  Although I did not bother
with carrying MREs on the rest of the PCT, or on the AT, I found them to be
a very practical option through the desert.
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Message: 9
From: Lonetrail@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:49:13 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] MRE's and Lurps
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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> Hey
>
> About ten years ago I bought some LURPs from cheaperthendirt.com. Had
> a problem with taste and called the manufacture they said to
> immediately discard them. Shelf life expired. Cheaperthendirt has some
> good deals on MRI's but not recommended for backpacking. That is
> except if you are like "Pit Bull"my son who weight 280 lbs and is six
> feet eight and an ex wrestler. Lonetrail




> >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>> MRE's I think have 3,500 cal. in them. BUT it takes 3,000 cals. of
>> energy to open all the packages and after two days half the volume of
>> your pack will be
>> empty MRE packages.
>>     Lurps? I bought some last summer at a junk store( looking for stoves
>> and
>> lanterns) I think they were made about 1973 . The candy bars had turned
an
>> off white color and tasted like soap.  But the rest of this 30 year old
>> food
>> tasted better than I remember our hot lunches at high school being.
>>    MRE's for the thu-hiker would be a poor choice. Lurps, I've been told
>> ,haven't been made for years now.
>> _______________________________________________
>> PCT-L
>
>


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:48:16 -0800
To: <tony@tonynitz.com>, "PCT-L" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
From: Richard <calliger@infolane.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Military Rations

At 11:41 AM 3/31/03 -0800, Tony Nitz wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>--  If you're
>short of water, urine works just as well



welllll noooowwww...that is a pisser of a story Tony!!

gotta chuckle at that...I was in the service as a LRRP
gruntin I Corps RVN, and I NEVER thought of that...
maybe becasue there was so much swamp water around...
but come to think of it..there was a lot of water bufflao
pea in the water..that's why the rice grew so well...

i know several other folks been there two on other lists
(Yes! you!!).. and I found so much peace on the trails
over the years...I totally believe it cured my ills from
the killing, deaths of all my friends, and destruction of the war. Richard


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:01:08 -0800 (PST)
From: dsaufley@sprynet.com
To: BearKelly377@netscape.net, "\"Donna Saufley\"" <dsaufley@sprynet.com>,
   jmuielewicz@yahoo.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: Re: RE: [pct-l] PCT & Public Land Use - Agua Dulce to Lake Hughes

Thanks for the insight.  Others have responded in kind.

-=Donna Saufley=-


-------Original Message-------
From: BearKelly377@netscape.net
Sent: 03/30/03 12:34 PM
To: "\"Donna Saufley\"" <dsaufley@sprynet.com>, jmuielewicz@yahoo.com,
pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [pct-l] PCT & Public Land Use - Agua Dulce to Lake Hughes

>
>
Moose is a troll looking to start flamewars. Ignore everything he says.

- Tom "Bear" Kelly


>
>I typically stay out of many topics that rage on the PCT mail list, but
>I
absolutely must respond to your post dated March 25, on the Agua Dulce to
Lake Hughes thread.  I have never directly and openly opposed a statement a
hiker (or post contributor) has made before, and it pains me to do so now.
However, my desire to protect the PCT (and to encourage others to protect it
as well) outweighs my concern for neutrality in this instance. You
state:
>  "US public lands are just that- public. Everyone has a right to use
them not only backpackers. This includes the PCT and the land surrounding
it. It is not up to some vote or petition or public opinion on who uses
public lands. When taxes are no longer used to support them you will have a
leg to stand on but until then people have a right to use them- whether
ATVer, backpacker, or mountain biker."
>You are WRONG about the PCT.  It is a hiking and equestrian trail ONLY.
Motorcyles, ATVs, and mountainbikes are prohibited, and there are fines
associated if the offenders are caught.  The PCT is maintained in large part
by private and volunteer efforts, with the cooperation and some-time support
and funding from various agencies.
>
>If you believe that public lands should be there for anybody to use, I
guess you support motorcycle and ATV use in say, Tuolumne Meadows?  Sure,
let 'em tear it up everywhere!  Motorcycles and their ilk destroy the trail.
The scars are plain to see. There are countless other roads and trails that
are there for mutiple use.  The PCT is just not one of them.
>
>-=Donna Saufley=-
>equestrian, hiker, mountainbiker, and mother of an motor cycle rider
>--
>
>
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Message: 12
From: Lonetrail@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:56:17 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT & Public Land Use - Agua Dulce to Lake Hughes
To: dsaufley@sprynet.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

Hi

I have talked to Joe about the ATV's. Manpower is the problem. It is illegal
for motorized vehicles to be on the PC. Joe is meeting with the Jawbone
Canyon Association to work some of the problems out.  I spoke today to an
ATV Association. There problem is that the Sate of CA. has been collecting
monies for the green tag which is the registration of motorized vehicles
which was supposed to be used to educate, buy land and in-force illegal
activities by motorized vehicles. This is into millions of dollars. You
guest it the state squandered this monies for other purposes.

This problem will be solved but we must be vocal about it.

LONETRAIL

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Message: 13
From: "JD Schaefer" <jdrows@attbi.com>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Skeeters???
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:18:35 -0800


Skeeters -
It's usually a lot more comfortable to wear shorts and t-shirt in skeeter
weather and country . . . .but, would mosquito pants and shirt be preferable
to applying Deet? JD


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@attbi.com>
> To: "yogi hicker" <yogilists@hotmail.com>;
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Skeeters???
>
>
> > In 2000 (late June/early July), we had them all the way to Dorothy
Lakes.
> > Almost drove me off the trail. Worst were north of Tuolumne Meadows,
> > but that was because of the weather. If you get lucky, you will have
freezing
> > weather which put those beasts to sleep. Otherwise, frequent Deet
> > baths
> are
> > in order - or full length breathable clothes plus netted face mask.
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Note: if you are there in August and later, you will probably find
> > none.
> >
> > Marshall Karon
> > Portland, OR
> > m.karon@attbi.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "yogi hicker" <yogilists@hotmail.com>
> > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 7:51 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Skeeters???
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "few mosquitos in the Sierras"????
> > >
> > > WOW.  That's not been my experience.  I would DEFINITELY have a
> > > bottle
> of
> > > DEET when leaving KM.  Tuolumne to Echo Lake is ESPECIALLY bad.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 14
From: "JD Schaefer" <jdrows@attbi.com>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Last resort weapons
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:20:30 -0800

 Uh. . . . While you're getting out your fuel, uncapping it, dousing the
bear with it, then looking for your REI matches, lighting one, getting close
enough to the bear so that the match doesn't go out, and igniting the doused
fur, . . . uh is he going to be laughing at a "dumb deer" joke (or whatever
makes a bear laugh enough not to sense danger or be annoyed at the vile
smelling substance this puny, potential meal [you] has just thrown on him) ?

 If he (or she) has gotten that close, and you haven't followed the advice
of trying to look bigger than it (depending on species), made a lot of
frightening noise, or curled yourself into a ball while protecting your
skull, it might be too late for any pyrotechnics, however brave. JD


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CMountainDave@aol.com>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Last resort weapons
>
>
> > This may seem cruel, but if a bear by some odd, remote chance
> > happened
to
> > attack me, I would pour my stove fuel on him and ignite it, if I had
> > the chance. Only as an absolute last resort because I'm certainly
> > not out to
> do
> > any animals harm. Heck, I even avoid stepping on ants.(But I do kill
> > mosquitoes with glee). I would definitely not defend my food by
> > injuring
a
> > bear. I won't starve if I lose my food
> > _______________________________________________
> > PCT-L mailing list
> > PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
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Message: 15
From: Lonetrail@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:27:36 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Last resort weapons
To: teamcourage@attbi.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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In a message dated 3/29/03 3:04:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
teamcourage@attbi.com writes:

WOW

Big statement chances are you would catch your self on fire. I had Bear
spray and accidentally set it of in my bivy. I slept on the ground for three
days.

Lonetrail


> CMountainDave@aol.com wrote:
>
> >This may seem cruel, but if a bear by some odd, remote chance
> >happened to attack me, I would pour my stove fuel on him and ignite
> >it, if I had the chance. Only as an absolute last resort because I'm
> >certainly not out to
> do
> >any animals harm. Heck, I even avoid stepping on ants.(But I do kill
> >mosquitoes with glee). I would definitely not defend my food by
> >injuring a bear. I won't starve if I lose my food
> >_______________________________________________
>


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Message: 16
From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:30:32 EST
To: Jeffzclimb@aol.com, squeaknpup@yahoo.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] ADZ Gear Contest

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My new "Bug Cage" will be set up at the ADZ for all of you who do the tarp
thing to check out.

It works well with my Poncho/Tarp for protection from mosquitoes and other
insects.  Complete details and plans for making the Bug Cage are now
available on my website, at:

 <A
HREF="http://royrobinson.homestead.com/Bug_Cage.html";>http://royrobinson.hom
estead.com/Bug_Cage.html</A>

This Bug Cage was thoroughly tested during my AT thru-hike last year and was
definitely worth its pack weight of about four ounces.  An earlier version
served me well on the JMT in '00.  The Bug Cage will be particularly useful
for you PCT hikers who are trying to go lightweight but think you must be
burdened with a tent rather than a Poncho/Tarp for sanity in mosquito
country.  "Mosquito Country" on the PCT runs from about Kennedy Meadows to
Manning Park, plus a few sections further south.

Also on my website you will find plans for my Poncho/Tarp and the popular
CatStove.  Just access the main page and click on the pointer of your
choice.


Best wishes to all of you, Class of '03, for a safe and successful PCT
adventure!  I hope to meet many of you at the Kickoff Party.  -- TrailDad


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Message: 17
From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:30:44 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rain Gear Reccomendations???
To: AV8TORX@aol.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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In a message dated 3/27/03 12:43:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
AV8TORX@aol.com
writes:

> ... has anyone found a really lightweight waterproof jacket?

I'm very impressed with my Montane anorak that I bought on the AT last year.
It weighs 3.6 oz (size XXL) including the little stuff sack that is about
fist-size.  The jacket is waterproof, made from Pertex nylon.  Obviously, it
provides no warmth but makes a decent windbreaker with a fleece layer
underneath.  It lost much of its water-repellency after a lot of use and
dirt, but a machine-washing and Nikwax treatment made it as good as new.
Cost about $50 in Hot Springs, NC, if memory serves.  I used it mostly on
days when cold wind or light rain didn't justify pulling out the poncho.

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Message: 18
From: AliMac1111@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:38:21 EST
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] tent

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Any opinions on the Eureka Zeus EXO tent? The 2 person model is listed as:
Tent Wt. 3 lbs., 6 oz; Pack Wt. 3 lbs., 14 oz. Thanks.

Happy Trails!
Ali

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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:02:08 -0800
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
From: brick@webrooster.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Skeeters???

At 04:18 PM 3/31/03, JD Schaefer wrote:
>It's usually a lot more comfortable to wear shorts and t-shirt in
>skeeter weather and country . . . .but, would mosquito pants and shirt
>be preferable to applying Deet?

Don't forget the head net and hand coverings....and something to protect
your ankles since your socks won't. And make sure the pants and shirt are
either coated, or very very baggy, and don't lie on your skin. The skeeters
can bite right through most fabric. Also, make sure you have a sweat band
since you will be sweating like a pig, but won't be able to wipe your face
under the head net, or you will be eaten alive.

Oh, never mind.... I think I'll just use my DEET.


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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:13:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Robinson <brian.robinson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (Guest Post) PCT Advice
To: StoneDancer1@aol.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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Stefan walked the PCT in 83 days, but doesn't count rest days in that total.
That's QUITE impressive, but my speed record still stands. 84 days, 6 hours
Mexico to Canada.

Flyin' Brian
 StoneDancer1@aol.com wrote:--
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In a message dated 3/30/03 4:54:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
stefanlofgren@yahoo.com writes:

> I walked the PCT in 83 days in 2001 (2 months and 3 weeks).

Jeez....... this is more than 30 miles per day, all day, every day, no days
off. His website lists a number of 40 mile days. I am Impressed!

No Way
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:27:21 -0800
To: "JD Schaefer" <jdrows@attbi.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
From: Richard <calliger@infolane.com>
Subject: Not so fast!  Re: [pct-l] Last resort weapons

t 04:20 PM 3/31/03 -0800, JD Schaefer wrote:
> Uh. . . . While you're getting out your fuel, uncapping it, dousing
>the bear with it, then looking for your REI matches, lighting one,
>getting close enough to the bear so that the match doesn't go out, and
>igniting the doused fur, . . . uh is he going to be laughing at a "dumb
>deer"

<snip>

Actually...not so fast here!! There is time to kick the
tires and light the fire....read on:

2 years ago near Donahue Pass, on the north side, I was bothered by
seemingly more & more aggressive bears on many trips on multiple failed
attempts to summit Mt Lyell.(The tallest peak in Yosemitie and the one you
can clearly see from TM in all its beautiful, exquisite majesty. This trip
was to last two weeks as was planning to summit several of the 14'ers down
the JMT.

On the 3rd trip (after loosing ALL food on the 2nd trip) I was determined
not to loose any at all...I prepared a camp alarm consisting on my pot,
rocks, and silver ware and about 100 feet of twine.

I strung my perimeter at ankle height so if the twine was pulled it would
dump my pot and silverware off some rocks and awaken me. Additionaly, I had
my gasoline bottle plus a big pile of dry kindling strategically placed
nearby my tent and ready for instant use.  I slept with my lighter under my
pillow of extra clothing.

At 3am, I sensed something and awoke, momens later I was
fully rudely awakened by my alarm, jumped up, doused the wood pile with gas,
lit it, and scared the crap out of myself probably more than the bear now
only about 10 feet from me, by waving my also strategcially placed 4' torch
(limb wrapped in lots of dead grass).

I battled this bear, who persistently tried to go into my
tent, then after my pack, and after my canister (yes, I had one but all my
food for the 2 week trip would not fit into it) until 5am, maddenly rushing
around for more downed wood as the fire started to go down every 15
minutes..I finally found a dead downed tree that became an infinite supply
of wood, but it was 200 feet away..so I had to run to get the wood, run away
or around the bears latest charge, throw wood on the fire, throw rocks and
wood at the bear, who was soooooo insistent I was beyond scared, and really
getting pissed at this overgrown racoon (which all black bears really are!)
and replenish my torch, all at the same time.

I was getting tired and more fearful/angry as time worn on.. this animal
hand been badly habituated and WOULD NOT give up!!..

At about 5:10 am false dawn was breaking, and the bear, seemingly totally
bored now at my antics of the last 2 hours, ambled away...but not before I
gave it one more hot whack on its ass with my torch...I knew it was singed
becasue of the smell...

I consider that a battle well fought and myself the victor becasue all s/he
got was one of my still fresh burgers from the TM store! S/he got the burger
but left the cheesburger..I guessed later that I was lucky every bear in
Tuolumne meadows did alight on my camp with the way the placed reeked of
greasy burger!

I still cannot fathom the utter agressivenss of the animal...this was about
my 15th or so bear encounter in the last 30 years of hiking and climbing and
never has one been so assertive and aggressive. I culd not for the life of
me get its license plate number it had on its ear... (I forgot my  bear
spray this trip)...


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Message: 22
From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:41:20 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] MRE's and Lurps
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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In a message dated 3/31/03 11:00:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Montedodge@aol.com writes:

> MRE's for the thu-hiker would be a poor choice

I agree, however, in several of my mail drops I put one for dinner the first
night back on the trail.  I found that to be a good use of them.

No Way

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Message: 23
From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:44:39 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Military Rations
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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In a message dated 3/31/03 11:43:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
pt@hikertrash.com writes:

> Also, the 500 miles or so of desert hiking required that I carry up to
> two gallons of water per day on my back.

You know...technically, very little of that distance is truly desert  :c)

No Wy

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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:44:26 -0700
From: Dave Fales <teamcourage@attbi.com>
To: Lonetrail@aol.com
CC: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Last resort weapons

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I have never heard of that how did you catch bear spray on fire and rather
thent hat you should ahev just felkt like on fire it is pure peper spray. I
get mine from the forest service and theres is a tadd stranger. But there
are some good brands out therea and it just makes the bears eyes burn like
hell. I rember using on one big brute of a male bear and no joke it sounded
like a baby crying the sound it made runnign away.

Lonetrail@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/29/03 3:04:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> teamcourage@attbi.com writes:
>
> WOW
>
> Big statement chances are you would catch your self on fire. I had
> Bear spray and accidentally set it of in my bivy. I slept on the
> ground for three days.
>
> Lonetrail
>
>
>> CMountainDave@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >This may seem cruel, but if a bear by some odd, remote chance
>> happened to
>> >attack me, I would pour my stove fuel on him and ignite it, if I had
>> >the chance. Only as an absolute last resort because I'm certainly
>> >not
>> out to do
>> >any animals harm. Heck, I even avoid stepping on ants.(But I do kill
>> >mosquitoes with glee). I would definitely not defend my food by
>> injuring a
>> >bear. I won't starve if I lose my food
>> >_______________________________________________
>
>
>

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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:01:08 -0800
From: Marion Davison <mardav@charter.net>
To: PCT List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Memories of MRE's and other rations

We were issued MRE's for an overnight hike at a boy scout camp.  We were
highly amused by the dessert, a "cake" about 1/4 inch thick and a few inches
square, very sweet and chewy, that came in several flavors.  We called it
"cake jerky".  And yes, the excess packaging was laughable. One summer I
worked as a backpack trip leader for a church camp.  Each week I would take
a group on a Sierra trip.  Great job!  Our Rich-Moor food rations were
stored in the maintenance shed for the summer, and about the middle of the
summer we found that the maintenance guys had broken into the cartons and
stolen all the goodies (snacks and candy) from the meals.  After a summer of
Rich-Moor I could never eat the stuff again, so I had to learn to dehydrate
my own food. llamalady


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Message: 26
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:58:26 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (Guest Post) PCT Advice
To: brian.robinson@sbcglobal.net, StoneDancer1@aol.com,
   pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

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158 days was considered to be really fast in 1977.  We averaged about one
day per week rest (for an average per day of approximately 18 miles).  Paul
Hacker and I received criticism for hiking so fast for so many miles per day
by David Green, a co-hiker, in his 1981 book, A Pacific Crest Odyssey, and
by others.  He claimed that we could not have enjoyed our hike as much as a
slower person and would have done better to slow down.  Well, we got the
last laugh when he got snowed and freezing rained on in the Nth Cascades
long after we were home, warm and snug for the winter!

We'd be considered downright slow as a slug, these days!

Greg

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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:52:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Karen Borski <kborski@yahoo.com>
To: maripper@mindspring.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Re:  equipment questions

Matt,

A few opinions/answers for you:

3) Cookware - My question is what size do most
thru-hikers use?

I used a 0.9 Liter Evernew on my AT thru-hike  and
when I hike solo.  I've never had a problem with it
not being large enough.  It's the perfect size for
solo.

4) Shoes - Do people really change shoes for the
Sierras?

I wore midweight Asolo 520s on the PCT from Campo to Independence, when I
had to get off the trail.  I tried wearing New Balance running shoes, but
they caused me severe pain.  As soon as I reverted back to the boots, my
foot pain went away.  Three other thru-hikers that I hiked near in '00 also
wore midweight boots with great success.  You will hear people say that PCT
thru-hikers ONLY wear running shoes - not true.

My hiking partner and the majority of thru-hikers wore
trail runners of some kind, but my partner mailed his
midweight boots along with our other Sierras gear to
Lone Pine.  He wore boots in the Sierras and was glad
to have them on Forester Pass.

My recommendation is to wear your normal hiking foot
wear, carry your lightweight running/trail shoes with
you and experiment as you go (if you don't have time
to experiment before you leave).  If the lighter shoes
work after several days of trial...then mail your
boots ahead to Lone Pine for use in the Sierras.

You'll find a lot of wisdom in the archives regarding
use of instep crampons.  I would not recommend it, as
they can dangerous if you do not have practice using
them.

6) ...or should I just bite the bullet & get something
like a Tarp Tent or the Nomad Lite?

I used a Mountain Hardware Bat Ray tarp tent hybrid on
the southern PCT and really like it.  Very light and
capable of handling bugs without much trouble.  I
would take it again.  (I WILL take it again!)

Hope that you have a wonderful hike!

Nocona

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Message: 28
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:17:50 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] MRE's and Lurps
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net


In a message dated 3/31/03 11:00:34 AM, Montedodge@aol.com writes:

<<  MRE's for the thu-hiker would be a poor choice >>

I was thinking more for a few days trip, where 10 pounds of food is no big
deal. But $6 a pop is kind of expensive.

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Message: 29
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:59:08 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Last resort weapons
CC: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net


In a message dated 3/31/03 5:45:55 PM, teamcourage@attbi.com writes:

<< But there are some good brands out therea and it just makes the bears
eyes burn like hell. I rember using on one big brute of a male bear and no
joke it sounded like a baby crying the sound it made runnign away. >>

Interesting. Perhaps hikers in the Sierras should be required to carry bear
spray instead of a bear can. Or is bear spray considered a weapon.

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Message: 30
From: "t shaffer" <leyenbrecher@hotmail.com>
To: vanloonc@yahoo.com
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:41:56 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] phone cards

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chris:
try: http://acculinq.abclongdistance.com/[1] for the phone card ... i've
used this for years and like it.  regular phone calls to france and germany
at about $3.00 per hour [!], and they deduct the monthly bill from my credit
card. i found several local albuquerque companies offering voice-mail
service at a reasonable price ... it's listed in our yellow pages under
"telephone message service" blaze In an ideal world, we'd love to have the
following:
(1) A phonecard, rechargeable by credit card, that has flat rate long dista=
nce calling, and flat rate international calling (the latter for my wife ca=
lling her folks and friends in Australia).
(2) A voicemail service that collects messages for us, without us having to=
actually have phone service.


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Message: 31
From: "Jason Hebert" <jhebert8@hotmail.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:35:54 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Down vs. Synthetic

I planned from the start on taking a synthetic bag on the PCT.  I am from
Washington, I know how much it rains here, and have always used synthetic
for fear of a wet, heavy, worhtless bag.

I have fairly poor circulation in my extremities and sleep colder than most
I think.  I can't ignore the warmth for the weight of down bags.  And the
cozinee loft of a DRY down can't be denied.  I would love some feedback on
down/synthetic use on past thru hikes.

Gratzie Mille,

Jason





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Message: 32
From: Ronald Moak <rmoak@fallingwater.com>
To: "'Jason Hebert'" <jhebert8@hotmail.com>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Down vs. Synthetic
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:42:46 -0800

>> I have fairly poor circulation in my extremities and sleep colder
>> than
most
I think.  I can't ignore the warmth for the weight of down bags.  And the
cozinee loft of a DRY down can't be denied.  I would love some feedback on
down/synthetic use on past thru hikes. <<

Jason,

Here goes another war! This subject is almost as bad as bear canisters.

The issue is not Down vs. Synthetic, it's dry fill vs. wet fill. So if you
can keep your fill dry, it really doesn't matter what kind of fill it is.

That leaves the question of how to keep your fill dry. Well in the day,
double bagging your sleeping bag will go a long way to keeping your bag dry
until you get to camp. Keeping your fill dry at night is a bit trickier.
Fortunately in recent years, shell materials have made major advances. There
are three basic classes of shell fabric, impregnated, laminated and DWR
coated.

Epic and Pertex fabrics fall into the Impregnated class. Epic is use by
Feathered Friends and a few other manufactures. Pertex is used by a number
of Canadian and European manufactures. Both offer excellent breathability
and water resistance. Condensation and spray will just roll off of them.

Laminated fabrics include the Gore-Tex line of Dry Loft and PTFE. They've
been around awhile and available from most major sleeping bag manufactures.
They offer the highest in protection and greatest in cost. However, overtime
the protective membrane can delaminate.

In the last class, a Durable Water Resistance (DWR) coating is applied to a
microfiber fabric. The newer DWR finishes have significantly better life
span and excellent water resistance. Most standard bags by major outdoor
manufactures use this as the standard. However, economy down bags may not
and you'll wind up with wet ball of feathers if your bag gets wet.

Ratings:

Water Resistance / Breathability (Highest water resistance = lowest
breathability) (Most resistant to Least)

Dry Loft, PTFE, Epic, Pertex, DWR

Additional Cost (highest to lowest)

Dry Loft, PTFE, Epic Pertex, DWR

Additional Weight (highest to lowest)

Dry Loft PTFE, Epic Pertex, DWR

Also look for down rated at 700 to 800 fill. Bags made with lower quality
down rated at 550 to 600 often use cheaper shell materials.

My personal recommendation is a sleeping bag made from Epic fabric with an
800 fill. It'll keep you warm and dry even in the miserable wet Washington
fall rain. Proven by experience.

-Fallingwater


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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:14:46 -0500
From: Nathan Goldfarb <natgold@ufl.edu>
To: "  pct-l" <"  pct-l"@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Snowpeak Gigapower question

Hi all-

I just got a GigaPower titanium stove for my JMT hike.  It says only to use
their fuel, but Primus and MSR cans are threaded, thus fit the Giga stove
and seem to work fine.  Will using another brand compromise the stove
efficiency?

Thanks for all the help so far!

Happy Hiking.

Peace out,
Nate JMT 2003


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Message: 34
Reply-To: "Rachel Pilley" <rpilley@a1isp.net>
From: "Rachel Pilley" <rpilley@a1isp.net>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:43:54 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Video for Sale

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VIDEO:  Border to Border - Hiking 2515 Miles on the Pacific Crest Trail. (a
great narrative video done by a couple who thru-hiked the PCT in 1988.  =
Gives an unglamorized account of what the day to day life is like on the tr=
ail, and we can attest to its accuracy as we thru-hiked last year.)

PRICE:  $10.00 plus shipping  (PCTA sells for $19.95)

CONTACT:  RandS@a1isp.net for info.
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Message: 35
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 00:13:51 -0800
From: Erica Francis <scooterchik@shaw.ca>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Border crossing.. for canucks?!

Hello all!

For starters, I just want to comment on what an awesome group of people you
are, and kudos to all of you for contributing to a great forum and resource
for both newbies and experienced hikers. This year will be my first hike of
any kind of real distance, and I must say- nothing has gotten me more
excited about the trip than reading though all everyone's posts and getting
such a great feel for the company I will be keeping for the next six months.
I can't wait to become part of the thru-hiking community!

I have a question that I haven't seen posted yet, in my months of lurking;
I've seen lots of comments on border crossing and immigration forms, but
what about going the other way around? I'm a Canadian, and would like to
know what is required going into the US, and if I need anything special to
get back into my home country.

Looking forward to feedback!
-Scoots! :)
------------------------------------
www.bluebrain.ca/pct


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Message: 36
From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@attbi.com>
To: "Nathan Goldfarb" <natgold@ufl.edu>,
   "  pct-l" <"  pct-l"@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snowpeak Gigapower question
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:09:52 -0800

I have also used non-Gigapower fuel with fine results. Is it as powerful?
Can't say, but it keeps running!

Marshall Karon
Portland, OR
m.karon@attbi.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Goldfarb" <natgold@ufl.edu>
To: " pct-l" <" pct-l"@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:14 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Snowpeak Gigapower question


> Hi all-
>
> I just got a GigaPower titanium stove for my JMT hike.  It says only
> to use their fuel, but Primus and MSR cans are threaded, thus fit the
> Giga stove and seem to work fine.  Will using another brand compromise
> the stove efficiency?
>
> Thanks for all the help so far!
>
> Happy Hiking.
>
> Peace out,
> Nate JMT 2003
>
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Message: 37
From: "Alistair & Gail Des Moulins" <aandg@telusplanet.net>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:21:53 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Would it be possible to arrange a ride from San Diego or
Lake Morena to Campo early in the morning about April 11 ?

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My husband and I will be arriving in San Diego by Greyhound bus about April=
9. We are hoping to start the long walk April 11 about 6 or 7 am.  Since we
ar= e not sure if there actually will be a place to camp right at Campo, we
are=  thinking of staying at Lake Morena or San Diego the night before.
Then we=  would like to either take the morning bus to Campo from Lake
Morena and st= art walking about 9 am or, if it is possible to arrange a
ride, start walki= ng about 6 or 7 am to avoid as much daytime heat as
possible. Thank you.
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Message: 38
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:47:08 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Down vs. Synthetic
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

What would really be nice is if they could come up with a fabric that is
lighter,  cheaper, and just as efficient as the best of current
waterproofing strategies. I suppose someone out there is trying. What about
that commericial for Dockers pants praising their waterproofness. What stuff
is that?

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Message: 39
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 11:54:46 -0500
From: Brad Wilson <BWIL5272@postoffice.uri.edu>
To: <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping options...

Almost all my gear is set for this summer. I'm going to be using a Nunatak
Akula half bag. Half bags are designed to be used in conjunction with a warm
down parka or jacket They are sized to extend over your waist and up to your
rib cage, securing with a shock cord and toggle.

In the winter I use it with my Marmot Parbat parka, and am comfortable into
the negative digits wearing only thin long-johns and a thin top (I'm a
really warm sleeper).

I was thinking of bringing the parka, but I think it will be too warm and
too heavy for the trail (It's between 25 and 30 oz). I was thinking I may be
able to use the half bag with a Patagonia puffball vest and wool hat, but
don't know if that will be warm enough.

What types of temps should I be ready for on the PCT and what kinds of
clothes do most thru-hikers carry? I'm not starting until May 20th, so I'm
sure it will be warmer for me than some of the others...


At this point I'm bringing:

SW t-shirt,
baggies shorts,
Smartwool socks,
Salomon XA pros,
Patagonia O2 shell top,
GoLite Reach,
mid-weight long underwear bottom,
GoLite shell pants,
wool hat,
sun hat
either the Parbat parka or puff ball vest... Sound good?

Thanks for the feedback,

Brad


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Message: 40
From: "Ed Gilroy" <egilroy@comcast.net>
To: "pct-l" <"  pct-l"@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snowpeak Gigapower question
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:05:12 -0500

Hello Nate:

   I have had the gigapower Titanium for about 2 years now and have used all
different types of canisters in it. Never a problem, never noticed a
difference. I spoke with a support person at Snowpeak before using my first
non-Snopeak canister and she said that she uses Primus herself when she
can't find a Snowpeak canister...

   Ed


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From: "Nathan Goldfarb" <natgold@ufl.edu>
To: "pct-l" <" pct-l"@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:14 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Snowpeak Gigapower question


> Hi all-
>
> I just got a GigaPower titanium stove for my JMT hike.  It says only
> to use their fuel, but Primus and MSR cans are threaded, thus fit the
> Giga stove and seem to work fine.  Will using another brand compromise
> the stove efficiency?
>
> Thanks for all the help so far!
>
> Happy Hiking.
>
> Peace out,
> Nate JMT 2003
>
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