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[pct-l] Southern California Weather & Forest Closures
All,
Two sobos (Dustin & Jonathan from North Carolina) made it to Agua Dulce on
October 11; they'd initiated their hike at Crater Lake in August. Together we
went to the Angeles National Forest office in Arcadia to plead their case of
being allowed to continue their hike to the officials running the forest (San
Gabriel Mountains). The official word was politely and sympathetically "NO!".
Here's what they said (essentially):
Typically the fire season ends around the end of November, however, the forest
will not re-open until the moisture content in the vegetation rises to an
acceptable level. As those who reside in this area know, one good Santa Ana
wind can dehydrate just about anything, so the benefits of a good rainfall can
be quickly lost. Some areas of the PCT will remain closed, perhaps until next
summer. Specifically, the section of the Trail near Little Jimmy Campground
will in all likelihood remain closed. This is due to the precariousness of
some large trees that suffered burns -- they do not know if the trees are
going to survive or topple, and only time will tell if these trees will
survive. In the interest of public safety, they'll keep that section closed.
Officials of the Angeles have taken the hardest line approach to this crisis
over other forest jurisdictions; they've lost 15% of the forest to fires this
year, all of which were started by people, not natural causes. Bankruptcy is
anticipated for businesses located in the Angeles NF.
I will follow-up with local forest officials in the coming weeks and months,
and try to get the information out there for y'all. Sadly, Dustin and
Jonathan had to end their hike and deploy Plan "B", returning to North
Carolina.
-=Donna Saufley=-
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> 1. SoCal Weather (David Craft)
> 2. SoCal Weather (David Craft)
> 3. Re: SoCal Weather (Bighummel@aol.com)
> 4. Re: SoCal Weather (Steve Courtway)
> 5. Photo of 2002 thru-hike (John Oldford)
> 6. Introduction (Jim Keener)
> 7. Logging Along the PCT (Bighummel@aol.com)
> 8. Nut Butter Carrying System-follow up
> (John Brennan)
> 9. Congratulations (rogercar)
> 10. Re: Nut Butter Carrying System-follow up
> (jape)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> From: David Craft
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:51:43 -0400
> Subject: [pct-l] SoCal Weather
>
> Greetings,
>
> Any wagers on when Southern California gets hit
> with its first winter storm=
> . It still seems sunny and bright in beautiful
> southern California........
>
> The drought in Central NC (probably worse here
> than anywhere in the country=
> ) is finally letting up. We seem to be getting
> rain about every week, thou=
> gh we are still 40 inches behind over the last
> 4 years.
>
> Looking forward to returning to the San
> Gabriels next May to continue by se=
> ction hike.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Craft
> Greensboro, NC
>
> David B. Craft
> Greensboro
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: David Craft
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:51:49 -0400
> Subject: [pct-l] SoCal Weather
>
> Greetings,
>
> Any wagers on when Southern California gets hit
> with its first winter storm=
> . It still seems sunny and bright in beautiful
> southern California........
>
> The drought in Central NC (probably worse here
> than anywhere in the country=
> ) is finally letting up. We seem to be getting
> rain about every week, thou=
> gh we are still 40 inches behind over the last
> 4 years.
>
> Looking forward to returning to the San
> Gabriels next May to continue by se=
> ction hike.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Craft
> Greensboro, NC
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: Bighummel@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:24:23 EDT
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SoCal Weather
> To: chsyhkr@bellsouth.net,
> pct-l@backcountry.net
>
> Typically the first true Winter storms start in
> late November, early
> December. In dry years we have seen all of
> November and most of December
> without a significant storm. Wettest months are
> typically January, February,
> March.
>
> It all depends upon the jet stream, El Nino and
> the Great Backpacker In The
> Sky.
>
> Greg
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "Steve Courtway"
> To:
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SoCal Weather
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:33:41 -0700
>
> I saw on Weather Channel last night
>
> Southwestern Drought: So Cal worst at 8% of
> rainfall for the year
> Southeastern Drought: looking at about 75% of
> rainfall for the year
>
> I'd say we got a little more trouble in this
> neck of the woods these
> days....
>
> When does the fire season end /able to enter
> the forest again ? Dec. 1st ??
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "John Oldford"
> To:
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:13:47 -0700
> Subject: [pct-l] Photo of 2002 thru-hike
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> Greetings,
>
> I completed my thru-hike on September 28th in
> Manning Park, and have just posted over 1700
> photos on my website. Feel free to check them
> out at www.oldford.com/pct
>
> Enjoy them and your hike! I sure did.
>
> Phantazmo-
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: 22 Oct 2002 19:43:37 -0000
> From: "Jim Keener"
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Introduction
>
> Hello,=0D
> =0D
> I'm introducing myself to the list. I'm a 58
> year old man, semi-retired, hi=
> ker and backpacker. I live in San Mateo,
> California and will start a thru-h=
> ike at Campo on April 23 next year.=0D
> =0D
> The first time I went into the Sierra, I was
> with friends, Marge and Roger =
> Woolcott. They gave me the name of Scooter
> because I would sit on logs and =
> scoot across them in order to make a stream
> crossing. I'm wondering. Is it =
> customary to keep a trail name I've already
> been given, or will my PCT frie=
> nds give me a new one?=0D
> =0D
> I'm in the process of reading journals and
> setting a schedule, and I will p=
> robably have a lot of questions as I go through
> the process.=0D
> =0D
> Peace,=0D
> Jim (Scooter)
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: Bighummel@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:14:02 EDT
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Logging Along the PCT
>
> The following editorial appeared in the
> "Mountain Messenger" recently;
>
> >
>
>
> All in all, I think this is well written and an
> excellent long term
> perspective. The short term interests of
> resource extraction in such a
> "sacred" place is unforgiveable, IMHO.
>
> The "evil" resource extraction industries:
> mining, logging, cattle grazing,
> oil and natural gas, all produce "good"
> products that we, as a society demand
> and desire. EVERYTHING that we use, eat, wear,
> drive, compute, drink, smell,
> snort, lather upon our bodies, etc., comes
> either directly or indirectly from
> the earth - rocks -soil. That is EVERYTHING
> except the sunlight that comes
> from the sun. Think about it. Therefore,
> should be stop all resource
> extraction? Of course not. However, we MUST
> hold all resource extraction
> industries to behave in a responsible manner.
> Will they do this voluntarily?
> Of course not. So we MUST regulate the
> actions of the resource extraction
> industries.
>
> This, from a resource extraction-employee
> trying to provide for this society
> and yet in a responsible way.
>
> Not on topic with the PCT, you say? Hog wash.
> Mining, logging and cattle
> grazing
> are all issues that have long been and will
> long be with the PCT.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg "Strider" Hummel
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: "John Brennan"
> To:
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:13:29 -0700
> Subject: [pct-l] Nut Butter Carrying
> System-follow up
>
> Thanks for your interest in my Nut Butter
> Carrying System. I developed a .7
> oz system for my thru-hike of the PCT using
> baby bottle parts and liners. I
> got a Photon as a prize at the ADZPCTKO for my
> efforts.
>
> The NBCS pretty much worked for a thru-hike,
> and I'd definitely use it for
> short trips. The biggest hassle was returning
> the shipping portion back to
> my Dad who was coordinating my resupplies.
> Post offices don't keep
> thru-hiker hours, so many times I had to go
> through my resupply quickly so
> that I could turn around and send shipping
> parts home. Sometimes, I'd just
> have to carry them to the next town stop with
> outgoing mail. Luckily, the
> parts are light.
>
> The baby bottle liner split a couple of times
> on the trail, most notably
> after a failed rock bear hang. The system
> never failed during shipping.
>
> I always kept the system in a zip top bag to
> keep the oils isolated and to
> keep the almond butter contained should it want
> to come out. When the
> system failed, which I would say was probably 4
> or 5 times on a 5-month
> trip, it was a big mess in the bag. Otherwise
> it let me dispense almond
> butter fairly easily AND NEATLY. It was nice
> to be able to throw out the
> dirtiest part, the liner, and just have small
> plastic parts to clean.
>
> If you have no idea what I'm talking about, or
> want to give it a try, search
> the archive for NBCS or send me a note offline.
> (The PCT-l archive seems to
> have a hole in it from Feb to June of this
> year. My postings were in March
> or April... If you are part of
> Backpackinglight, I know it's on there too.)
>
> John B./Cupcake
> http://www.cupcakewalk.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: rogercar
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Congratulations
>
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:41:26 -0700
> From: jape
> To: PCT
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Nut Butter Carrying
> System-follow up
>
> John Brennan wrote:
>
> > The baby bottle liner split a couple of times
> on the trail, most notably
> > after a failed rock bear hang.
>
> dang, get one question answered and another two
> pop up. I'm picturing
> your food bag slung over the sheer edge of one
> of the house sized
> boulders above tree line. did the hang fail
> because the bear didn't, or
> was it more of a matter of the suspension
> failing?
>
> Eckert (again)
>
>
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