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- Subject: [pct-l] Remarkable Rainier Climb
- From: scottie_wujcik@hp.com (WUJCIK,SCOTTIE (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
- Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:50:03 -0700
The 77 year old woman's name is Bronka Sundstrom. She made the trip in 19
hours. In the hiking club I belong to we have a lady that is 87 years old
and she can walk the legs off of anyone I know, including me.
Scottie
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1. Stehekin Boat info. (Montedodge@aol.com)
2. Controlled Fires. (Lonetrail@aol.com)
3. Camp Shoes (Reynolds, WT)
4. Successful JMT Hike!! (Susan Faidley)
5. Re: Successful JMT Hike!! (CMountainDave@aol.com)
6. Re: Stehekin Boat info. (CMountainDave@aol.com)
7. Re: Successful JMT Hike!! (Randy Forsland)
8. Re: Lightweight Section Hike Questions (David hiking PCNST in bits)
9. Re: Controlled Fires. (Ron Martino)
10. Remarkable Rainier Climb (CMountainDave@aol.com)
11. Thru-hikers seen on trail (Beth Murdock)
12. Re: Remarkable Rainier Climb (Richard Calliger)
13. Thanks for a successful PCT hike (Philip James Byrnes-Preston)
14. New Diagonal Tarp At Dancing Light Gear (David Mauldin)
15. Donk's pct thru hike (Bill Irey)
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Message: 1
From: Montedodge@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:04:20 EDT
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Stehekin Boat info.
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It's Sept; here in the Northwest and the best time to visit Stehekin! The
Apples at Buckner Orchard are almost ready and you can drop in a say hi to
your favorite thru-hikers. You can stay at the Stehekin Lodge( 509/682-4494)
or camp. Don't forget to visit the Stehekin Vally Ranch 9 miles up the road
for their Breakfast or Dinner package! ( You can eat there even if your not
guest) They have a combo breakfast and bike ride that is 25.00 for all the
breakfast you could want and anything you want cooked, then ride( mostly
coast) back down along the river to Stehekin. ( Of course you will need to
stop at the Bakery a few miles from town for more energy!) Info numbers are
509-682-2224 and barge service is 509-682-2519 for Tom Courtney if you want
to haul big stuff on the lake. If you plan to attend the ALDA-West at Lake
Wenatchee, you owe it to yourself to take the Lady of the Lake Boat trip to
Stehekin either before or after gathering. Price is under 25.00 for a round
trip ticket of over 100 miles of water and scenery. ( Even hikers who prefer
to go first class, aka. Tom Reynolds, will enjoy the boat ride and town.)
Stehekin may be the most remote town in the lower 48 and can be enjoyed for
very little money for those on a budget or break out the Visa and go first
class . Sept. in Washington IS THE BEST time to hike!! ( Kids are in school,
few bugs, warm days, cool nights and the Apples and berries are ready for
pie!!!! Monte
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Message: 2
From: Lonetrail@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:38:47 EDT
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Controlled Fires.
n a message dated 8/31/02 10:20:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Samualdavidsimon@earthlink.net writes:
Sam writes: What do you have against controlled fires?
The best-controlled fire is in a wood stove in your home. Wood is a fuel.
This is the way it was used since the beginning of time. Yes! Our
controlling
Environmental extremist has stopped this by passing laws against burning
wood
in our homes. They stopped people from picking up firewood in our forests.
Remember the endangered mouse were the extremist would have homeowners put
in
jail if they cleared the underbrush from around there own home. Yes, yes
more
control of our lives
Sam writes; sure it's not perfect, but it's much better than uncontrolled
fire suppression.
Uncontrolled fire suppression: Sam were did you get this expression? The
policy of the environmentalist of letting the trees decay and go back to
mother earth is the problem. This build up caused the under story to raise
the temperature 1000 degrees in minutes. Don't try to do controlled burning
in these areas.
Sam writes; I don't suppose you spent much time in Yellowstone in 1990.
There they found out what the result of uncontrolled fire suppression really
results in.
Sam your wrong again, I did spent time in Yellowstone. Before our modern
day
environmentalist Indians, then our Calvary, and then the Civilian
Conservation Corp cleared the underbrush. When this was stopped by
environmentalist we now have the fires.
The modern day environmentalist are using Yellowstone as a model for all
lands subjected to fires. I have walked through most of the fires before and
after in CA and other areas. You cannot say all forest and all forest fires
are the same. There are many factors .In some areas after a fire ferns will
grow so large they will stop any other tree or plant growth.
Here is what I prescribe. Instead of laying off fire fighters keep them on
full time and let them clean the underbrush and thin out our forests. Then
you can have prescribed burns. The damage to existing trees would be
minimal.
This will stop the amount of carbons going into our atmosphere and decrease
global warming. We can't rely on our armed forces to do this with all the
world problems. Lets re-install fire roads even in wilderness. Oh, this may
turn many extremists inside out. I notice in some of our Wilderness, yes,
Wilderness they we are using large trucks to string sandbags for miles to
stop erosion. They are planting non-native plants and flowers to stop the
erosion in burned out area. Why are the environmentalists letting vehicles
go
into Wilderness area now? You know in some wilderness environmentalists
tried
to stop fire trucks from fighting fires. They tried to stop helicopters from
picking up water from lakes because of endangered fish.
The worst is not over wait for the rains then erosion then bulldozers.
Lonetrail
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Message: 3
From: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>
To: "'Carl Siechert'" <carl@pct77.org>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:05:49 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Camp Shoes
I used to use Nike Aquasox but now I use racing flats for cross country.
They can be had for 5-6 ounces per shoe.
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From: Carl Siechert [mailto:csiechert@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:26 PM
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lightweight Section Hike Questions
"Tom Griffin" <griffin@u.washington.edu> writes:
> like to take my Teva sandals, but they weigh about 24 oz. Is there an
> alternative?
Surf socks weigh ~16 oz. Get 'em at Rite-Aid. That's if you think you need
camp shoes; some folks can live in their 805s 24/7, whereas others feel the
need to get out of those stinky things into something--anything--different.
> take some variant of a Powerbar? Will I regret it if I take a fresh apple
or
> two?
You'll regret it more if you *don't* take the apples.
> What do lightweight backpackers use to carry margarine, peanut butter,
etc.
> Are the plastic tubes the lightest way to go or is there an alternative?
At ADZPCTKO IV, Cupcake showed his NBCS (nut butter container system), which
is made from a baby bottle liner. You can see a picture at
http://pct77.org/adz/2002_photos_04.htm
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:49:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Susan Faidley <theatbutterfly@yahoo.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Successful JMT Hike!!
Just thought I might write a quick hike report.... returned
from an incredible 13 day trip on the JMT.
I expected a super hike in a special place, but what I
experienced exceeded my expectations and was beyond
spectacular! My 2 partners and myself began in Yosemite
Valley and hiked 150 miles which included leaving the JMT
at the Bishop Pass Trail. I am already planning next year's
finish at Whitney. And IMHO I can not imagine any place in
this country that could possibly be more beautiful...and I
have hiked the Wind River Range, Mt. Rainier, Mt. Hood, the
Olympic Peninsula, Vancouver Island,Acadia Nat'l Park, been
all over the Smokies and NC and TN, and hiked the entire
Appalachian Trail(where IMHO the White Mountains and Baxter
State Park are pretty incredible and are without a doubt
the very best of the eastern U.S). I am headed in early
October for Glacier Nat'l Park, so I guess I could change
my mind, but I doubt it! There were a few days where we
were so overwhelmed by the scenery all day long, that we
begged for it to stop being so pretty. We took 18 rolls of
film, so lots of memories will be enjoyed over and over.
LeConte Canyon was probably the biggest surprise, but out
of 150 miles, I would probably only consider the first few
miles of the climbs out of Red Meadows and Vermillion
Valley to be less than spectacular. Even the long descent
into Red Meadows was great due to the incredible trees.
Things went very well. THe only problems even encountered
were making one's way through the maze at Red Meadows area
and a bum ferry boat engine at Vermillion Valley resort.
(although be warned if you go to VVR - nice people - but it
is $2 a MINUTE to use their phone.) Sorry to say that there
was only one bear at LIttle Yosemite Valley campsite the
first night out and we didn't even see him. I expected the
whole trail to be much more crowded but once we left
Yosemite, we spend most nights alone. I could go on and on,
but I think you get the picture!
I also want to say thanks to all of you that answered my
questions about the JMT several months ago. You were all
very helpful! In thinking about next year, what does
anyone know about Onion Valley? The JMT books I have do
not talk about what is available there, but the maps show a
pack station and a campground. Anyone know what the
campground is like?
I will definitely resupply there, as I don't care to carry
anymore days of food than necessary. I used Skip Wilder as
a shuttle driver. He picked us up at South Lakes and took
us all the way back to Fresno where we picked up the plane.
I will definitely use Skip again next year.
I also see that the books say that the Kearsage Pass Trail
is 9 miles long and the maps show it to be 7.7. I did find
most mileage information to differ a bit from the JMT guide
book to the data book. I finally decided that the maps were
most accurate and relied on them for mileage data. (as an
example I expected the Bishop Pass Trail to be longer than
it was...I felt it was closer to the 12.6 that the map
shows.) I guess I am just very tune with my hiking pace,
and so I like very accurate mileage!!
Happy Hiking Everyone,
Susan Faidley
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Message: 5
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:44:49 EDT
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful JMT Hike!!
To: theatbutterfly@yahoo.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Well, you might try the Grand Canyon. I agree -- no mountain range in the
lower 48 compares to the Sierras. But the G.C. is utterly unique - a 250
mile
mountain range set in a humongus mile deep box, each foot of which
represents
600 centuries. Yeah other canyons are deeper but none compare to the
infinite
immensity, with dozens and dozens of completely isolated side canyons, each
of which would be a world class canyon on its own. I think if space
travelers
were to pick just one destination on Earth to gawk at, it would be the G.C.
But you miss 90% of the show unless you go below the rim where the mental
disbelief at what your witnessing is slowly stripped away and the places
many
secrets revealed
Once I met a guy from England who thought that Americans were crazy to
travel to other countries to see the sights, when the most scenic spot on
Earth was right in their back yard - the desert Southwest. ( He also
marveled
at how much Americans ate!)
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Message: 6
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:07:44 EDT
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stehekin Boat info.
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
In a message dated 9/2/02 10:25:38 AM, Montedodge@aol.com writes:
<< Stehekin may be the most remote town in the lower 48 >>
Supai on the Havasu Indian Reservation probably gets the honor. Even after
you've hiked the 7.5 miles out, you still have to drive 100 + miles to get
groceries! Yes Stehekin has lots and lots to offer, but because I helped
the
Indian rangers catch a wild horse, I can stay for free in Supai
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Message: 7
From: "Randy Forsland" <randy_forsland@hotmail.com>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful JMT Hike!!
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:36:07 -0700
Good report...I also hiked the JMT this year (7/29 - 8/14) and plan on doing
it again next summer ..I have introduced many friends to the majesty of the
Sierras over the years on this particular trail and I never get tired or
bored of it.
The $2.00 a minute phone charges at VVR are not that bad...considering that
it is a flat rate regardless of where you are calling...I don't yak a lot
so, I never went over 2 bucks.
I was surprised at the weather this year though...It was HOT and dry.. not
one day or afternoon of rain or anything...just SUN, SUN and more SUN
...the rivers were very low and there was not much snow on the mountains
this year...I compared the photos that I took this trip to the ones from 97
and it is really staggering...
But, then again..the mosquitos were not much of an issue this year...I never
even used the deet thatI brought...
Randy
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From: "Susan Faidley" <theatbutterfly@yahoo.com>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Successful JMT Hike!!
> Just thought I might write a quick hike report.... returned
> from an incredible 13 day trip on the JMT.
> I expected a super hike in a special place, but what I
> experienced exceeded my expectations and was beyond
> spectacular! My 2 partners and myself began in Yosemite
> Valley and hiked 150 miles which included leaving the JMT
> at the Bishop Pass Trail. I am already planning next year's
> finish at Whitney. And IMHO I can not imagine any place in
> this country that could possibly be more beautiful...and I
> have hiked the Wind River Range, Mt. Rainier, Mt. Hood, the
> Olympic Peninsula, Vancouver Island,Acadia Nat'l Park, been
> all over the Smokies and NC and TN, and hiked the entire
> Appalachian Trail(where IMHO the White Mountains and Baxter
> State Park are pretty incredible and are without a doubt
> the very best of the eastern U.S). I am headed in early
> October for Glacier Nat'l Park, so I guess I could change
> my mind, but I doubt it! There were a few days where we
> were so overwhelmed by the scenery all day long, that we
> begged for it to stop being so pretty. We took 18 rolls of
> film, so lots of memories will be enjoyed over and over.
> LeConte Canyon was probably the biggest surprise, but out
> of 150 miles, I would probably only consider the first few
> miles of the climbs out of Red Meadows and Vermillion
> Valley to be less than spectacular. Even the long descent
> into Red Meadows was great due to the incredible trees.
>
> Things went very well. THe only problems even encountered
> were making one's way through the maze at Red Meadows area
> and a bum ferry boat engine at Vermillion Valley resort.
> (although be warned if you go to VVR - nice people - but it
> is $2 a MINUTE to use their phone.) Sorry to say that there
> was only one bear at LIttle Yosemite Valley campsite the
> first night out and we didn't even see him. I expected the
> whole trail to be much more crowded but once we left
> Yosemite, we spend most nights alone. I could go on and on,
> but I think you get the picture!
>
> I also want to say thanks to all of you that answered my
> questions about the JMT several months ago. You were all
> very helpful! In thinking about next year, what does
> anyone know about Onion Valley? The JMT books I have do
> not talk about what is available there, but the maps show a
> pack station and a campground. Anyone know what the
> campground is like?
> I will definitely resupply there, as I don't care to carry
> anymore days of food than necessary. I used Skip Wilder as
> a shuttle driver. He picked us up at South Lakes and took
> us all the way back to Fresno where we picked up the plane.
> I will definitely use Skip again next year.
>
>
> I also see that the books say that the Kearsage Pass Trail
> is 9 miles long and the maps show it to be 7.7. I did find
> most mileage information to differ a bit from the JMT guide
> book to the data book. I finally decided that the maps were
> most accurate and relied on them for mileage data. (as an
> example I expected the Bishop Pass Trail to be longer than
> it was...I felt it was closer to the 12.6 that the map
> shows.) I guess I am just very tune with my hiking pace,
> and so I like very accurate mileage!!
>
> Happy Hiking Everyone,
> Susan Faidley
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:42:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: David hiking PCNST in bits <pcnst@oakapple.net>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lightweight Section Hike Questions
> > like to take my Teva sandals, but they weigh about 24 oz. Is there an
> > alternative?
The deciding factor for me is I COULD hike in my tevas, with a pair of
heavy socks. I don't think I could hike very far in any lightweight
alternative - I've had no luck even with imitation Tevas. If a hiker
is going to have a backup system for anything, it would seem to be his
footwear. And Tevas are good for stream crossings. So I don't count
the weight too much against them. Ultralighters mileage may vary.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:48:14 -0600
From: Ron Martino <yumitori@montana.com>
To: Lonetrail@aol.com
CC: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Controlled Fires.
Lonetrail@aol.com wrote:
> Sam writes: What do you have against controlled fires?
>
> The best-controlled fire is in a wood stove in your home. Wood is a fuel.
> This is the way it was used since the beginning of time. Yes! Our
controlling
> Environmental extremist has stopped this by passing laws against burning
wood
> in our homes. They stopped people from picking up firewood in our forests.
This discussion has reached the stage where it needs to be moved to
Trail Advocacy, or perhaps dropped altogether, since it doesn't seem to
have much to do with hiking anymore.
Ron
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determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate
discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor
must preside at our assemblies.
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yumitori(AT)montana(DOT)com
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Message: 10
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 00:14:33 EDT
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Remarkable Rainier Climb
Just heard on the news about a rather remarkable climb of Rainier: A 77 year
old woman became the oldest woman to ever climb Rainier. As if that weren't
amazing enough, she didn't do it over the customary 2 or 3 days, but in
NINETEEN HOURS ROUND TRIP!!! 9000 feet of elevation gain! Man, my
perceptions about the physical abilities of the aged seem shameful now. A
fast time for someone in their twenties!! Eat your hearts out macho dudes
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Message: 11
From: "Beth Murdock" <dorothea@onemain.com>
To: "Pct-L" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:25:42 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Thru-hikers seen on trail
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Scott and I just got back from hiking around the Three Sisters in Oregon.
Part of the trail is on the PCT and we ran into some thru-hikers: Goof,
Pins and Needles, Darrel, Hazel, and Kid. They all looked happy and
healthy. The Sisters also were beautiful. Many streams were dry, although
water in general is abundant.
Beth Murdock
Portland, OR
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 03:53:51 -0700
To: CMountainDave@aol.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
From: Richard Calliger <calliger@infolane.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Remarkable Rainier Climb
Any idea who she is? Write up in a paper somewhere??
Rich
At 12:14 AM 9/3/02 EDT, CMountainDave@aol.com wrote:
>Just heard on the news about a rather remarkable climb of Rainier: A 77
year
>old woman became the oldest woman to ever climb Rainier. As if that weren't
>amazing enough, she didn't do it over the customary 2 or 3 days, but in
>NINETEEN HOURS ROUND TRIP!!! 9000 feet of elevation gain! Man, my
>perceptions about the physical abilities of the aged seem shameful now. A
>fast time for someone in their twenties!! Eat your hearts out macho dudes
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Message: 13
From: philp@cse.unsw.edu.au (Philip James Byrnes-Preston)
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:32:54 +1000
Subject: [pct-l] Thanks for a successful PCT hike
Hi
I have just got back home to Sydney after completing my PCT hike.
It was a great trip, a hilight of my travels so far. The country and the
people were both wonderful. Does the trail make the people, or do the
people make the trail ? I am not sure that the two can be separated, there
is a real community out there on the PCT.
I'd like to thank everyone for making my trip so memorable.
Christine and Chuck who took me to the ADZPCTKO
and provided so much support,
the people at the ADZ itself
the wonderful, wonderful water stashers of Southern California
Donna and Jeff at Aqua Dulce
Joe and Terri at Green Valley
Bill and Molly at Pooh Corner
Lena and Nona in Vancouvor
the people I hiked with, especially Coach, Chaz, Chris, True North,
Larry. Grasshopper
All the anonymous people who helped and gave encoragement along the way
(even the two 'substance abusers' who took me into Vancouvor)
My friends here in Austrlia (who rarely called me crazy)
the people who post, advise, argue and joke on the PCT-L mailing list
I'd like to especially thank the weather - I only had two days of drizzle on
the whole trip, plus a couple of very short sprinkles. It rarely got too
hot, it rarely got too cold. It was mostly just right.
I am not sure how I'll settle back into the 'real world'. Its hard sitting
about taking it easy, and I'm giving a couple of new trips some thought. In
a year or two the itch will be unbearable again and it will have to be
scratched.
I'll be watching the mail list and working out a way that I can contribute
to next year's ADZPCTKO from over here in Australia. Maybe I'll ship in a
few crates of good Australian beer (not that Fosters swill, but _good_
beer).
Again, thank you all for a great time
cheers
Phil 'Donk' Preston
--
Phil Preston,
Artificial Intelligence Research Group, Computer Science and Engineering
University of New South Wales, Sydney Australia
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Message: 14
From: "David Mauldin" <rainmaker@rabun.net>
To: "PCTL" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:18:34 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] New Diagonal Tarp At Dancing Light Gear
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Brawny and I have introduced an ultralight, diagonal tarp at Dancing Light =
Gear. It weighs about 10.75 ounces and has a corner-to-corner length of 11=
ft. 10 inches. It has a corner-to-corner width of 10 ft. 5 inches. The c=
ost is $100, and optional seam sealing of the center seam is available for =
$10.
A page showing a photo and additional information can be accessed here (loo=
k for "New Items" about half-way down the page):
http://www.trailquest.net/PCTTrailQuest.html .
David Mauldin
www.trailquest.net
"To Walk In The Wilderness Is Freedom"
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:20:48 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Bill Irey" <bjirey@aaahawk.com>
To: "pct-l forum" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Donk's pct thru hike
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Donk, my congratulations on the completion of your hike! I always said to
myself, when you passed me that " gee that fellow sure doesn't seem to be
going fast but every time he comes to a town he takes a day or two off and I
don't then he passes me again like I'm in reverse". Donk appeared to carry a
lite pack and had that easy, fluid stride. He is a really fine lad, as can
be judged my his very fine post.
It was a pleasure to meet you Phil and my best to you.
Geezer Bill
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