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Carl,

I used my trusty handy dandy Texas Instrument (TI-85) calculator and 30
liters equals 1830.71232284 cubic inches.  Rounded off to 1830.7 amongst
friends.

Scottie


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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: Annual Sierra Passability Prediction (Reynolds, WT)
   2. Camp HL250 ice axe. (Gerad Dean)
   3. San Felipe Hills (Ben Holmes)
   4. all set (maryliz von krusenstiern)
   5. Re: San Felipe Hills (AsABat)
   6. Re: San Felipe Hills (Peter von Gaza)
   7. Re:pack conversion chart (John McElligott)
   8. Re: Re:pack conversion chart (Carl Siechert)
   9. San Felipe Hills for Ben (Montedodge@aol.com)

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Message: 1
From: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>
To: "'Bighummel@aol.com'" <Bighummel@aol.com>, pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Annual Sierra Passability Prediction
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:14:58 -0800 

As everyone who know us both suspects, I not-humbly disagree with Greg's
prediction. 

I agree that the Tyndall Creek snow pillow is the best single predictor of
snow in the Southern Sierra and I agree that this year APPEARS to be
slightly below normal.  I have found, however, that the California weather
pattern has changed somewhat.

In general I see that the early-runoff scenerio has not happened in the last
few years. It seems that cool weather in April and May are delaying the snow
melt about 2 weeks compared to the late eighties and early nineties. I base
this on my analysis of "Runoff Volume in the Sierra" forcasts that appear on
the Internet every year. This forcast predicts the peak and slope of the
rivers cresting. 

Accordingly I say that Greg is about 2 weeks early. June 1 to June 8 is my
prediction. However, I suspect that both Greg and I will have better
predictions in mid-May when we see the slope of the snow melt.

And we both agree that:

Please take this prediction with a heavy dose of salt and note all of my 
numerous caveats.  

YMMV, HYOH, IMHO, DWTWYW (do with this what you will),

Tom

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From: Bighummel@aol.com [mailto:Bighummel@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:48 AM
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Annual Sierra Passability Prediction


Here is my bold, presumptuous, annual earliest Sierra passibility prediction

based upon historical snow survey data of the Bighorn Plateau (11,400' 
elevation, just south of Forrester Pass) survey station from present back to

1972.  This prediction assumes that you do not mind walking in some snow and

expect to need an ice axe and in-step or full crampons to cross Forrester
and 
possibly Mather Passes.

This year is currently looking like a slightly below normal year for snow 
pack in the Sierras.  As such, an early melt-off will enable an early entry 
into the Sierras, IMHO.  My guess:  Barring any late, significant snow
storms 
(highly possible) May 15th to 22nd will be the earliest date to enter the 
Sierras without snow shoes or cross-country skis.  

This suggests that if you are an aggressive, well experienced, fast paced 
hiker, you could start your hike at the border around early to mid April in 
order to time your arrival at the southern foot of the Sierras to coincide 
with the snow level retreating to a level of passibility (less than a foot 
over the majority of the trail).  

Please take this prediction with a heavy dose of salt and note all of my 
numerous caveats.  

YMMV, HYOH, IMHO, DWTWYW (do with this what you will),

Greg "Strider" Hummel
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Message: 2
From: "Gerad Dean" <geraddean@hotmail.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:46:38 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Camp HL250 ice axe.

At 250g/50cm of ice axe, the Camp HL250 looks to be the lightest ice axe
available.  Does anyone know where this model can be purchased?  if so
please resond.
thanx,

gerad
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 19:25:22 -0800
From: Ben Holmes <beholmes@pacbell.net>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] San Felipe Hills

Hey Hikers,

Im getting ready to complete Section A, and need your guidence about the San
Felipe Hills.
I need to know about three things in the area from Scissors Crossing to
Barrel Spring.
1) Is there any water near the trail?
2) Is there any good spots for striking a camp and spending the night?
3) Is a permit required to camp in the San Felipe Hills?

I recently completed the section from Pioneer Mail to Scissors crossings.
It was a nice hike, but I injured my foot in the process.  Im anxious to get
back on the trail, but not anxious to test the foot on such a long lonely
streach.  The thought is to turn the hike from Scissors Crossing to Barrel
Springs into a two day backpack trip.  So instead of pushing one trek of 28
miles it would be two 14 mile trips.  Hence the reason, im looking for a
good spot to strike a camp.

BTW, if anyone would like to join us (wife and I, perhaps my son too) your
welcome to join.  We can always use transportation.

Thanks
Ben - Crazy Old Scout
http://crazy_old_scout.tripod.com





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Message: 4
From: "maryliz von krusenstiern" <hesitationblues@hotmail.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 19:40:55 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] all set


graduated highschool 3 days ago, turned 18 a month ago, and all set to hike
the pct.&nbsp; (with a little more planning to do...)
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Message: 5
From: "AsABat" <wjj2001@yahoo.com>
To: "Ben Holmes" <beholmes@pacbell.net>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] San Felipe Hills
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:59:07 -0800

From: "Ben Holmes" :
> I need to know about three things in the area from Scissors Crossing to
> Barrel Spring.
> 1) Is there any water near the trail?

No, only at the two ends (and Scissors Crossing can be stagnant). There
could be water caches during thru-hiker season, but they don't get
established until April (and do NOT count on them even then).

> 2) Is there any good spots for striking a camp and spending the night?

Yes. The most obvious is the sandy flat 8.5 miles up from Scissors Crossing.
This is large and flat.
The gate at (3600-1.6) 10.7 miles up there's exposed room for maybe 3 tents.
You might be able to do something near the gate at (3550-0.8) 13.6 miles in,
but it might not be too level.
After the third gate (4155-2.7) I would say you'll find little to no decent
camping room, other than on the trail tread itself.

> 3) Is a permit required to camp in the San Felipe Hills?

I believe this is mostly BLM land (except Barrel Springs itself which is
owned by Vista Irrigation District), so I _think_ the only thing you would
need is a Southern California campfire permit if you bring a stove.

AsABat


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Message: 6
From: "Peter von Gaza" <pvg@yt.sympatico.ca>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] San Felipe Hills
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:42:59 -0800

Ben,

I did that section of the trail early last May.  A few comments:

> I need to know about three things in the area from Scissors Crossing to
> Barrel Spring.
> 1) Is there any water near the trail?

There was a trail angle cache hidden in some bushes near the road before
you get to the river.  But i don't know how reliable it is, especially early
in the year.  The river is very suspicous.  If there hadn't been a water
cache
i would have hitched to the nearest town. Bless those trail angels!!!!!!!!

> 2) Is there any good spots for striking a camp and spending the night?

I camped a few miles up the trail in the hills in a little sandy wash.
Others
camped right on the trail.  I hiked the last few miles to my sandy camp
in the last couple hours of the day.  It was very nice to camp
in the hills.

> 3) Is a permit required to camp in the San Felipe Hills?
>

Who knows, but who cares??

If your going light the hike to Barrel Springs is not hard.  Just camp a few
miles from the highway in the hills and get up early.  The hike is just long
and rambling.  Some CRAZY LONG switch-backs before the springs!
Barrel springs is real nice.

Watch out for the charging cows before Warner Springs!

Have fun,
Yukon Pete



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:26:11 +0900
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
From: John McElligott <jm@gol.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Re:pack conversion chart


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I would like to determine the conversion of cubic liters to cubic 
inches in order to compare packs. For example, I saw a 30 liter pack 
in Japan and wonder how it compares in volume to my 3,100 cu inch 
Mountainsmith Ghost. Anyone know?

Tokio John

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Message: 8
Reply-To: "Carl Siechert" <carl@pct77.org>
From: "Carl Siechert" <csiechert@hotmail.com>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re:pack conversion chart
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:51:49 -0800

> I would like to determine the conversion of cubic liters to cubic
> inches in order to compare packs. For example, I saw a 30 liter pack
> in Japan and wonder how it compares in volume to my 3,100 cu inch
> Mountainsmith Ghost. Anyone know?

1 liter = 61.02 cu. in.
So 30 liters = 1831 cu. in.

Great resource for conversions: http://www.onlineconversion.com/

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Message: 9
From: Montedodge@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:24:20 EST
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] San Felipe Hills for Ben

 Hey Ben. To do the Scirrors to Barrel Springs , you first need to go to 
Julian and have a second piece of apple pie! Then ,start around 2:00pm up
the 
long switchbacks in the cool of the day( No Shade) and only go about 9 miles

to a very nice sandy wash in a small saddle. The wash has thick soft sand 
that is better than a water bed. PA Jeff and Trailmix found this with 
Walk-a-bouts help in 2000. Camped there in 2001 as well. Then up at light
for 
a delightful 16 miles tranverse and down hill to Barrel springs. Bring 8 
liters of water per person. If it is cool , you may get by with only 6  but 
don't push it!! Scirrors to Barrel doesn't need to be a "Death March" as is 
really a piece of cake with this 2 day break up. Good luck and enjoy the 
Wash.   ( Great view of stars and helicopters)  Monte


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