[pct-l] border id

[benne129@pilot.msu.edu (James R Bennett)]

What about those of us with Military IDs?  I'm assuming that those are still
allowed as the only ID necessary.  It's that way crossing from MI to NY on the
QEW.  Any thoughts?  I ask this as the only ID that I'm planning on carrying
is my Mil ID as I will be needing it occasionally during my PCT hike and it
comes in quite handy if I ever need help. -it's certainly more useful than a
MA drivers license and a birth certificate.
        -han


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>    3. Re: ??? (d-low)
>    4. Phone on the PCT (Reynolds, WT)
>    5. AOL Instant Communicator (campy)
>    6. RE: Phone on the PCT (Marge Prothman)
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>    8. Pastor Solar Bear (Chuckie V)
>    9. Stoves compared and U.S.Forest Fees (Montedodge@aol.com)
>   10. Hello PCT-L (Cory Lampert)
>   11. RE: Phone on the PCT (Reynolds, WT)
>   12. Re: Hello PCT-L (Carl Siechert)
>   13. RE: Stoves compared and U.S.Forest Fees (Svein Eriksen)
>   14. Re: Hello PCT-L (Christine Kudija)
>   15. re: Border crossings (Bumblefist@aol.com)
>   16. Re: crossing back on Sept 18 (C.Wellman)
>   17. Primus verses MSR (Montedodge@aol.com)
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>   22. Re: Melons in the Mountains WAS Re: [pct-l] Hello PCT-L (Paul Magnanti)
>   23. NPS computers (Jan King)
>   24. Re: Primus verses MSR (jmusielewicz@earthlink.net)
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> Message: 1
> From: jmusielewicz@earthlink.net
> To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:36:21 -0600
> Subject: Re: Re: [pct-l] Re:  AOL Instant Communicator
> Reply-to: jmusielewicz@earthlink.net
>
> On 12 Feb 2002 at 1:37, dude@coruscant.net wrote:
>
> > There is a company that I saw on techtv that makes two items that
> > would be of particular interest:
> > 1.  solar cell phone batteries
>
> I don't know if its by the same manufacturer but I've tried these type of batt
eries and
> they didn't work for squat. They claimed to be able to fully recharge the batt
ery in 4
> hours of direct sunlight. I couldn't get a decent charge in 6 hours- I only go
t about 15
> minutes of standby use after recharging.
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:51:25 -0800
> From: Ken & Marcia Powers <kdpo@pacbell.net>
> To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] multi-use debit cards and border crossing
>
> Don't forget that a debit card/ATM card makes a great pot scraper. If a
> critter carries off  your lexan spoon (we had two identical spoons and Ken
> said, "I'm so sorry Marcia that your spoon seems to be missing.) then it can
> also take over that job. Or leave the spoon home and save some weight :-)
>
> We mailed our border papers to Stehekin rather than carry them the entire
> way. Mail seemed to entail less risk than losing them along the way.
>
> Gotta Hike
>
>
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> Message: 3
> From: d-low <dilorenz@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ???
> Date: 12 Feb 2002 20:35:59 GMT
> Organization: Backcountry.Net
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> you should be able to find the black mesh at fabric stores in the city.
> go to the best one and ask the folks. be warned that this mesh might not
> be of the caliber than professionals can get. you may also want to
> contact the folks at http://www.trailquest.net/ they've got no-see-um
> netting for sale and sil-nylong, but i see no mesh, they might be able
> to get you some though...
>
>
>
> --
>
>  - Posted via http://forums.backcountry.net
>
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> Message: 4
> From: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>
> To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:11:08 -0800
> Subject: [pct-l] Phone on the PCT
>
>
> When I was young I wouldn't consider carrying a phone. After all I was
> immortal and onmipotent. These days, however, I am not so sure.
>
> I would only carry a phone for emergency use. 99.9% of the time you won't
> need one but I am reminded of the backpacker who fell at New Army Pass a
> couple of years ago. Although he had a serious injury he was able to crawl
> into his sleeping bag. Presumably he would have been able to make a call if
> he had a phone and that might have saved him. Who knows?
>
> I would spring for a used satelitte phone [$395] as opposed to a cell phone
> which won't work in many or most areas and can't be counted on for
> emergencies. If I had money to spare I would get the newer, lighter 9505
> phone that is more energy efficient and would last between town stops.
> Otherwise I would carry a spare battery.
>
> Hiking last summer with a satelitte phone I can tell you having one is
> really convenient. You can call ahead and make a reservation, possibly get
> the Post Office to stay open a bit later, get a hold of the manufacturer of
> the bum equipment you have, call a taxi and a zillion other things that are
> a real pain if you need wait to get to town and locate a pay phone. Best you
> can receive messages from friends [120 character maximum] easily without
> using much power.
>
> Still, this seems to defeat the purpose of backpacking, to slow down and get
> away from all that. I don't think using it on a mountain top or a crowded
> campground is appropriate because it may mess with the perceptions of other
> backpackers; that they are out there, self-sufficient, one with nature.
> Leave them to their fantasy.....but when an emergency occurs.....
>
> Tom
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:42:49 -0800
> From: campy <campydog@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: campy@mtnhighwest.com
> Organization: MOUNTAIN HIGH WEST
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> CC: campy@mtnhighwest.com
> Subject: [pct-l] AOL Instant Communicator
>
> Yup, Solar Bear:
>
>      "A Prayer,
>
>      Dear Lord.  Please block cell phone signals to those most holy
>      of your
>      creations, the mountaintops.  Let those who make it to the top
>      understand the deep spiritual significance of their
>      achievement.  Let them communicate
>      deeply with the beauty that surrounds them.  Let them meditate
>      and find the
>      matching beauty within. And let them realize that any other
>      communication at
>      such a time is unnecessary."
>
> ...And let those souls atop Mt Whitney also know thereby that their life
> may not be saved on this mountaintop, by reaching the Kern County
> Sheriff's Department (TTY 911 or 1-800-861-3110) to access the China
> Lake Mountain Rescue Group (CLMRG) and/or the helicopter detachment at
> the Naval Air Weapons Station, China Lake, using other than your
> desperate four-hour run down the trail and subsequent drive to the
> 2nd-nearest cell phone signal at the canyon exit road, first switchback
> below the Whitney Portal cabin area.
>
> Happy trails,
>
> Campy
>
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> Message: 6
> Reply-To: <margepr@sunvalley.net>
> From: "Marge Prothman" <margepr@sunvalley.net>
> To: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>, <PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Phone on the PCT
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:04:14 -0700
>
> Reynolds.......
>
> Now come on...have your kids made you stand at attention and made you
> promise never to hike alone and always carry a cell phone, even if
> they do not work.   You just cannot dwell on the past and what if's.
> Cheers,
>
> Marge (the old gal)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of Reynolds, WT
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:11 PM
> To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Phone on the PCT
>
>
>
> When I was young I wouldn't consider carrying a phone. After all I was
> immortal and onmipotent. These days, however, I am not so sure.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> From: jmusielewicz@earthlink.net
> To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:45:25 -0600
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Phone on the PCT
> Reply-to: jmusielewicz@earthlink.net
>
> On 12 Feb 2002 at 14:11, Reynolds, WT wrote:
>
> >
> > When I was young I wouldn't consider carrying a phone. After all I was
> > immortal and onmipotent. These days, however, I am not so sure.
>
> Yes, one day everyone dies. As soon as you are born you start to die. Why dwel
l on
> it? At 500 dollars for 500 minutes how do you afford the phone bill?
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:36:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: Chuckie V <rubberchuckie@yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Pastor Solar Bear
>
> Amen Solar Bear, Amen.
>
> -WoodChuck
>
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> Message: 9
> From: Montedodge@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:07:33 EST
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Stoves compared and U.S.Forest Fees
>
>  First , a friend got a new Primus muti-fuel stove this week and it is a
> Jem!! The Primus has a wonderful alum. pump with " Real" metal threads and
> pump handle. Compared to the Cheesy MSR stoves of today , there is no
> comparison. ( Note: older MSR XGK's and Model 9s had metal pump handle, but
> still plastic threads) Todays MSRs are great stoves, but take a second pump.
> ( After reading accounts of climbers on Denali, they all bring a second pump
> with their lame MSRs) Just read a story from 1997 and a old HEAVY Optimus
> 111B saved the day as it was the only stove left working after several MSRs
> broke down near the top in a tough storm. ( MSR was later dubbed " Maximum
> Service Revenue")  Now for fees on Forest service land. This is a temp.
> program that will be up in 2004. You can write your REP. and tell them they
> fees are unfair. In 1998, FS lost 135 million on timber sales. They charge
> cattlemen only 1.35 per month for a cow and calf to graze. Hard rock miners
> pay nothing, but taxpayers get to pay the clean up!! How about charging
> hunters to use the land. Many hunters would just tell the F.S. to blow off!!

> Only us enviromental types are saps enough to " Pay to Play". There are far
> more hunters than hikers around to pay fees. Forest Service sells timber at
> record loss rates so we can pay more??? ( What's up with that!!!!)  Cattle
> rob Deer of food and over graze . F.S. Is turning our public lands into
> Federal Feed Lots. Write your State Reb. and complain. Backpackers and hikers

> are so docile and make easy targets for new fees. Also our fees are
> ever-increasing while other users like miners ,timber folks and cattlemen pay

> nearly nothing. Many hikers have now left the National Parks as fee upon fee
> is required and lotto permits combined with strict overbearing rules drove
> them out. Now Forest Service with their reduced budgets see us as fair game
> in the Fee arena. ( By the way, Oregon Forest Service gets twice the money
> per acre than Washington Forest Service  gets for the budget based on ten
> year old timber harvest reports, totally unfair and we pay more fees because
> of it) Don't forget to write!!!! Monte
>
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>
> Message: 10
> From: "Cory Lampert" <corylampert@hotmail.com>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:03:33 -0600
> Subject: [pct-l] Hello PCT-L
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself as a new viewer of the list.
>
> My fiance and I met hiking the AT in '99 and have now decided to set our =
> sights on the PCT in '02.  I am  tentative but fascinated with the =
> ultralight stuff.  (I carried a 45 lb pack the whole way on the AT and =
> my fiance, god only knows how heavy his was- a hint- his trail name is =
> Pack Mule.)  I think I may transition with this year's Colorado Trail =
> thru-hike we are doing in September.  We are trying out the Walrus =
> Trekker Tarp, the Esbit stove, and the Feathered Friends double sleeping =
> system (Sandpiper bag with Toucan groundsheet).  I would appreciate any =
> advice from you seasoned PCT-ers...=20
>
> Looking forward to many happy days on the trail! Nice to meet y'all!
>
> Cross Country (GA->Atkins, VA<-ME '99)
>
>
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> Message: 11
> From: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>
> To: "'jmusielewicz@earthlink.net'" <jmusielewicz@earthlink.net>,
>    PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Phone on the PCT
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:17:08 -0800
>
> I'm not worried about kicking the bucket. I just know better than to take
> avoidable risks. I don't use the phone for 500 miniutes. On a 2 week trip
> maybe 20 miniutes mostly to check in on my teenage son. Not a big deal
> budgetwize to me.
>
> My point is that satelitte phones work whereas cell phones have spotty
> coverage at best. If you want to carrry on or the other, my view is to carry
> one you can rely on in an emergency, whatever the weight or cost. I am sure
> that not everyone agrees.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jmusielewicz@earthlink.net [mailto:jmusielewicz@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:45 PM
> To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Phone on the PCT
>
>
> On 12 Feb 2002 at 14:11, Reynolds, WT wrote:
>
> >
> > When I was young I wouldn't consider carrying a phone. After all I was
> > immortal and onmipotent. These days, however, I am not so sure.
>
> Yes, one day everyone dies. As soon as you are born you start to die. Why
> dwell on
> it? At 500 dollars for 500 minutes how do you afford the phone bill?
>
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> Message: 12
> From: "Carl Siechert" <csiechert@hotmail.com>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hello PCT-L
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:49:49 -0800
>
> > trying out the Walrus Trekker Tarp, the Esbit stove, and the Feathered
> > Friends double sleeping system (Sandpiper bag with Toucan groundsheet).  I
> > would appreciate any advice from you seasoned PCT-ers...
>
> Cory: As the pack mule in our family, I welcomed the switch to a FF sleep
> system. Last summer we got a Penguin (more fill than Sandpiper)/Toucan
> combo. It's fantastic! Warm and cozy, roomy enough, and less than half the
> weight of the two synthetic bags I was schlepping before. (Because it was
> easier to keep the bags zipped together, I got to carry both of them. At
> least that's what my wife told me.)
>
> Also the folks at FF were great: helpful and responsive. All in all, highly
> recommended.
>
> --
> Carl
> one of the 1977 Kelty Kids (is that seasoned enough?)
>
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:05:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Svein Eriksen <sveriksen@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Stoves compared and U.S.Forest Fees
> To: Montedodge@aol.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> Interesting with a Primus/Msr multifuel stove
> comparision, but observing that they use different
> materials in the pumps seems like an incomplete test?
>
> What about weight, volume/packability, ease of use,
> price, durability, noice, fuel efficency, simmering
> and priming to name a few relevant factors.
>
> Svein
>
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> Message: 14
> Reply-To: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> From: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> To: "Cory Lampert" <corylampert@hotmail.com>, <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hello PCT-L
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:04:15 -0800
>
> Welcome, Cory -
>
> for what it's worth, my husband Chuck earned the name "Igor" early on a
> canoe trip for the loads he could carry, and would carry things like
> cantaloupes to the tops of 14,000' Sierra peaks.
>
>
> We don't do that anymore (carry cantaloupes, pineapples, etc), although we
> haven't progressed to a tarp yet.  Next long distance hike, we'll try one.
> A tarp, I mean....
>
> Christine
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> From: Bumblefist@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:23:34 EST
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] re: Border crossings
>
> I live in BC, about 10 minutes from the border and I cross the border fairly
> often.  The new rules are that you must have two pieces of ID.  Just a
> passport isn't enough so you should have your drivers licence as well.  A
> birth certificate is fine in place of a passport but you must have one or the

> other, no other form of ID will be accepted.  These measures are taken
> because the US government knows that it is impossible for a terrorist to
> obtain TWO pieces of fake ID.
>
> Gretzky,  pct '97
>
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>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:17:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: "C.Wellman" <brawny03@yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: crossing back on Sept 18
>
> If I remember correctly, all I had with me was a
> driver's license and my thru hiker permit. The customs
> agent looked at my drivers license and had no problem.
> However, he looked long and hard at Rainmaker's. He
> kept looking back at Rain' face, then the license,
> then Rain.
>
> He said"I'm trying..."
>
> Rainmaker said, "Well, its been a long hike"
>
> The customs officer let us pass. This was on a bus
> headed from Vancover to Seatle, Sept 18th.
>
> Not sure if this would work nowadays.
>
> Brawny
>
> =====
> A  taste of the wilderness is better than a platter of civilization. To walk i
n the wilderness is freedom--
> http://www.trailquest.net
> Please note the change of website address.  Thank you.
>
> http://www.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ultralightersanonymous
>
> ---where the gearly afflicted gather
>
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> Message: 17
> From: Montedodge@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:31:24 EST
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Primus verses MSR
>
>  Hats off to the early MSR stoves for their advent of using a fuel bottle for

> a tank and making a field repairable stove. Since the early 80's, MSR have
> rested on their laurels and have started making their stoves cheaper in
> materials. Plastic and fire don't mixed. The primus fuel pump weighs 4 ozs.
> vs. 2 for the MSR. Primus stove weighes 14.9 ozs. and has " Real metal pump
> and threads to fuel bottle, unlike the MSRs who use plastic pump handle which

> breaks at uncanny times and plastic threads which can and do strip . ( I own
> an old model 9 1973 MSR and am now looking for my third pump) As owner and
> user of over 20 stoves, I can point out pluses and minuses of each one out
> their. Packablely is roughly equal as is heat output and priming. ( I would
> give an edge to the Primus in priming) The connect tube is screwed on with a
> small brass fitting verses the " Push and Pray" method MSR uses. Todays MSR
> is cheesy and the Primus muti-fuel is much more durable and a more quality
> stove. This has always been a trademark of Sweden " Anything". ( Cars,
> watches,guns, chainsaws and stoves) Glad to see someone in the stove business

> is getting the picture.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 18
> From: CharlieJones@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:40:28 EST
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hello PCT-L
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
>
> In a message dated 2/13/02 12:15:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> cmkudija@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
> > for what it's worth, my husband Chuck earned the name "Igor" early on a
> > canoe trip for the loads he could carry, and would carry things like
> > cantaloupes to the tops of 14,000' Sierra peaks.
> >
> >
>
> I was resting on top of San Gorgonio (elev. 11,502 feet) one day when a Scout

> troop arrived. The Scoutmaster yelled, "OK, who's got the watermelon?" Sure
> enough, one of the scouts opened his pack and produced one.
>
> Charlie
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:18:06 -0800
> From: Ken & Marcia Powers <kdpo@pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hello PCT-L
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
>
> Then there is a local scout leader that carries a full size Dutch Oven on
> his back packing trips. His pack must weigh 50 lbs BEFORE he puts the Dutch
> Oven up on top. Biggest pack I have ever seen.
>
> Ken
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CharlieJones@aol.com>
> To: <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 6:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hello PCT-L
>
>
> > In a message dated 2/13/02 12:15:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > cmkudija@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> > > for what it's worth, my husband Chuck earned the name "Igor" early on a
> > > canoe trip for the loads he could carry, and would carry things like
> > > cantaloupes to the tops of 14,000' Sierra peaks.
> > >
> >
> > I was resting on top of San Gorgonio (elev. 11,502 feet) one day when a
> Scout
> > troop arrived. The Scoutmaster yelled, "OK, who's got the watermelon?"
> Sure
> > enough, one of the scouts opened his pack and produced one.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:36:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: pmags@yahoo.com
> Subject: Melons in the Mountains WAS Re: [pct-l] Hello PCT-L
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
>
>
> --- CharlieJones@aol.com wrote:
> > > cantaloupes to the tops of 14,000' Sierra peaks.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I was resting on top of San Gorgonio (elev. 11,502
> > feet) one day when a Scout
> > troop arrived. The Scoutmaster yelled, "OK, who's
> > got the watermelon?" Sure
> > enough, one of the scouts opened his pack and
> > produced one.
> >
>
>
> In August 1998, ended my AT thru-hike by humping a
> watermelon up Katahdin. Not only was the juicy melon
> great after a climb with 4000'+  elevation gain, but
> handing out slices of watermelon to day hikers was
> quite interesting.  Bearded, skinny, scraggly looking
> guys generally do not hand out slices of fruit on a
> mountain top.   My fifteen minutes of fame, as the
> summit photo made the ATN (ATC's magazine).
>
> This past Fourth of July, hiked the Fourth of July
> trail up to Arapahoe Pass(along with about half of
> Boulder, CO it seems). Naturally, had to pack in a
> watermelon. What is the 4th of July without a
> watermelon? :-)  I think the woman I was dating at the
> time was scared off..we only went out a little while
> after that...
>
> Wonder what it would take to carry a watermelon from
> Stehekin to Manning Park? ;-)
>
>
>
> Mags
>
> 2 mos 12 days
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:00:06 -0800
> From: Ken & Marcia Powers <kdpo@pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: Melons in the Mountains WAS Re: [pct-l] Hello PCT-L
> To: pmags@yahoo.com, PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
>
>
> >
> > Wonder what it would take to carry a watermelon from
> > Stehekin to Manning Park? ;-)
>
> First, you'd have to get a watermelon to Stehekin. That will take a lot of
> arranging.
> Friends ordered See's Candy (the absolute best chocolates) online and had it
> shipped UPS to celebrate half way at Burney Falls and another box shipped
> UPS to Stehekin. Remember, there are no roads to Stehekin which is served
> only by USPS. So the postmaster intercepted the box somewhere along the way,
> held it and delivered it to me. He charged me local postage on the package
> to keep things legit.
> Maybe he's the guy to help you out.
>
> Marcia
> Don't know how many days before I leave, but I look at snotel daily>
> >
> >
> > Mags
> >
> > 2 mos 12 days
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:16:29 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: pmags@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Melons in the Mountains WAS Re: [pct-l] Hello PCT-L
> To: Ken & Marcia Powers <kdpo@pacbell.net>, PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
>
>
> --- Ken & Marcia Powers <kdpo@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > First, you'd have to get a watermelon to Stehekin.
> > That will take a lot of
> > arranging.
>
>
> Though I meant it as a joke, the wheels are turning.
>
> I have a buddy meeting me in Stehekin. He'll just have
> to make a pit stop at Seattle, Watamachee (sp!?!?! Big
> time!!!) or Chelan Falls to pick up a melon. :-)
>
> > Don't know how many days before I leave, but I look
> > at snotel daily>
>
> Likewise!
>
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:39:38 -0500
> From: janjunco@netscape.net (Jan King)
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] NPS computers
>
> If anyone needs info from the National Park Service, their computers are up an
d running.
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> Message: 24
> From: jmusielewicz@earthlink.net
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:46:29 -0600
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Primus verses MSR
> Reply-to: jmusielewicz@earthlink.net
>
> Used a MSR Whisperlite for 15 years. Never had the pump break or the threads
> strip. Just kept the cup lubricated. Just got a Dragonfly and haven't had a pu
mp
> problem yet. The MSR pump may be made out of plastic but it is very durable an
d
> practically unbreakable. For simmering and reliablity there is no better stove
 than a
> MSR. Works well from sea-level to above the treeline. Its great in the winter.
 I
> burned a couple differant fuels in my Whisperlite including unleaded gas. It b
urned
> them all well despite the fact the stove was only made for white gas. MSR is t
ops-
> there are no better stoves made.
>
>
> On 13 Feb 2002 at 9:31, Montedodge@aol.com wrote:
>
> >  Hats off to the early MSR stoves for their advent of using a fuel bottle fo
r
> > a tank and making a field repairable stove. Since the early 80's, MSR have
> > rested on their laurels and have started making their stoves cheaper in
> > materials. Plastic and fire don't mixed. The primus fuel pump weighs 4 ozs.

> > vs. 2 for the MSR. Primus stove weighes 14.9 ozs. and has " Real metal pump

> > and threads to fuel bottle, unlike the MSRs who use plastic pump handle whic
h
> > breaks at uncanny times and plastic threads which can and do strip . ( I own

> > an old model 9 1973 MSR and am now looking for my third pump) As owner and
> > user of over 20 stoves, I can point out pluses and minuses of each one out
> > their. Packablely is roughly equal as is heat output and priming. ( I would

> > give an edge to the Primus in priming) The connect tube is screwed on with a

> > small brass fitting verses the " Push and Pray" method MSR uses. Todays MSR

> > is cheesy and the Primus muti-fuel is much more durable and a more quality
> > stove. This has always been a trademark of Sweden " Anything". ( Cars,
> > watches,guns, chainsaws and stoves) Glad to see someone in the stove busines
s
> > is getting the picture.
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