[pct-l] Cabela's Rockets

[goforth@cio.net (Joanne Lennox)]

Gina, thanks for the ecospeak but I don't see how your point has much to do
with Bears raiding Campers and the requirements of Bear cannisters. You
say:

,  I don't mind wilderness closures for the benefit of critters. Humans
have
so
> overrun and diminished the habitats of large predators such as bears and
> cougars, it is no wonder encounters continue to rise. What habitat
remains
> is overtaken by more and more folks flocking to national lands for a
> wilderness experience, so the animals can not escape us even there. 

  Do really think that the Bears that are raiding campgrounds and campers
are trying to escape us?
 And this is all because of shrinking habitat?

And then you say:
I
> am even for quotas limiting the numbers of visitors to the parks, even if
it
> limits my own personal access. I know when permits and quotas starting
> becoming the norm in mountian climbing, many were angered. But there are
> just too many of us and too little wilderness.

Guess What?  There are permits and quotas in all the hiking areas that we
have been talking about and that require bear cannisters. And many of the
recent posts have mentioned the rangers checking for permits. And the
campgrounds are limited in size and have "quotas"

I also feel that simply believing that the use of a slingshot is sexist and
due only to male hormones,  contributes to a lack of examining the problem
carefully so that an adequate solution can be devised.

Joanne



-----
> From: GINA LEACH <word-witch@mindspring.com>
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Fw: [pct-l] Cabela's Rockets
> Date: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:18 PM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "GINA LEACH" <word-witch@mindspring.com>
> To: "Bill Jeffrey" <wjj2001@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cabela's Rockets
> 
> 
> > I don't mind wilderness closures for the benefit of critters. Humans
have
> so
> > overrun and diminished the habitats of large predators such as bears
and
> > cougars, it is no wonder encounters continue to rise. What habitat
remains
> > is overtaken by more and more folks flocking to national lands for a
> > wilderness experience, so the animals can not escape us even there.
Then
> > there is the generalization of the bear as simply a pesky Yogi bear
> > character. While I think most of us on this list have enough wilderness
> > background behind us to have the common sense to respect the bear for
what
> > it is- a wild creature capable of turning us into prey, my experience
with
> > the average person convinces me humans are losing any common sense in
> terms
> > of how to act in the wilderness or its fringes (popular campgrounds,
> ect.).
> > I have witnessed too many absurd tourists doing such things as chasing
> > mountain goats to get a good photo or trying to feed wild animals like
> their
> > kitty back home. There was also a recent mauling by a bear in Canada
where
> > two young adults tried to escape a bear who had entered their camp.
They
> > first made a run for their tent carrying their food with them. Much
> > education obviously needs to be done. At the risk of sounding
"UnAmerican"
> I
> > am even for quotas limiting the numbers of visitors to the parks, even
if
> it
> > limits my own personal access. I know when permits and quotas starting
> > becoming the norm in mountian climbing, many were angered. But there
are
> > just too many of us and too little wilderness.
> >
> > Gina
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Jeffrey" <wjj2001@yahoo.com>
> > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Cabela's Rockets
> >
> >
> > > > if canisters don't work bears are history
> > >
> > > Look at the annual closure of Boulder Oaks and Indian
> > > Flats Campgrounds at the start of camping and PCT
> > > thru-hiking season, which don't reopen until the fall,
> > > because of a toad. Fortunately, they still let PCTers
> > > walk thru Boulder Oaks Campground to get water, but
> > > this isn't guaranteed in the future.
> > >
> > > If they'll do this for a toad, what will they do for a
> > > bear?
> > >
> > > AsABat
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo!
Messenger
> > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > PCT-L mailing list
> > > PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PCT-L mailing list
> PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l