[pct-l] Re: PCT-L digest, Vol 1 #197 - 10 msgs

[ron-strickland@msn.com (ron-strickland)]

Re: Off Trail stuff

I recommend that your next trip be the 1200-mile Pacific Northwet Trail.  Of
course, I am biased; I just publised a 400-page guidebook to the PNT.
Glacier National Park to the Pacific Ocean at Olympic National Park.
Happy trails,

Ron Strickland
http://www.ronstrickland.com

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>    1. Re: New Thread (Tom Hopkins)
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>    3. RE: ??? (Marge Prothman)
>    4. Re: New Thread (Craig Giffen)
>    5. RE: ??? (Reynolds, WT)
>    6. Fw: [pct-l] New Thread (farley)
>    7. yet another new thread (David hiking PCNST in bits)
>    8. what to do??? (Tom Hopkins)
>    9. Off trail stuff and Maps (Montedodge@aol.com)
>   10. Hiker Sightings (CharlieJones@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:17:16 -0700
> From: Tom Hopkins <java2@ix.netcom.com>
> To: david paulson <d111@mail.jps.net>
> CC: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] New Thread
>
> My suggestion would be sleeping and eating:-)
> I can't say as I blame Alan for hitching out of Sierra City. I waited
> for a ride from my wife for two days there. Wow! It felt like  the
> longest  ten years of my life!
> Tom Hopkins
> Sacramento Ca
>
> david paulson wrote:
>
> > Here's a thread I haven't seen discussed before:
> >
> > What "off trail" events would you suggest attending
> > for those thru-hikers who enjoy town life/cultural events
> > as much as life on the trail? Events must be within a reasonable
> > hitch of the trail and occur when the "typical" thru-hiker
> > would be passing through the area.
> >
> > What got me thinking about this was seeing Allen and Shane
> > (both thru-hikers)  at the California World Music
> > Festival in Grass Valley this weekend. Allen hitched
> > from Sierra City (about 90 minutes away) and Shane came
> > down from Donner Pass ( about 60 minutes away).
> > Shane actually contacted the promoters ahead of time
> > to volunteer at the festival, and thus got in free
> > at the three day event.
> >
> > So, what other suggestions do you have???
> >
> > Dave (WalkOn)
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:22:27 -0700
> From: Tom Hopkins <java2@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "pct-l@backcountry.net" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] ???
>
> Strider  got me thinking about submerging food again as a way to keep
> from bears getting it in the Sierra's. I was thinking about trying a
> "dry bag" boaters use, but they are actually pretty heavy. With the new
> regulations I have to bring my  bear cannister. But, I was thinking
> about double sealing a package of food in a vacuum packer and submerging
> it at night. Has anyone ever tried this? I am going to be on "bear
> alley" in two weeks and I am considering trying it.
> Tom
>
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> Message: 3
> Reply-To: <margepr@sunvalley.net>
> From: "Marge Prothman" <margepr@sunvalley.net>
> To: "Tom Hopkins" <java2@ix.netcom.com>, <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] ???
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:20:22 -0600
>
> A couple of years ago some company and I can not remember who, sent me a
> submergible bag to test
> out.  The food was put in tight zip locks and then in their bag. I put a
> couple of rocks in, it had a long line attached to the whole thing.  The
> idea was that I was to throw it out into the lake or pond. Then tie it off
> on shore.  We had a good size pond near our house.
>
>  With 10lbs of food and a few pounds of rocks,  I could not throw the
whole
> thing far enough to get it to submerge deep enough into the pond, it was
too
> heavy for me to heave.
>
> I sent it back to the company with my report.  They said perhaps if I had
> been by a lake that had a dock or some trees etc that I could lower it
into
> the lake then it might have worked for me.
> My experience on the pct had not shown me many of those opportunities to
put
> the food in the water.
>
> A young man named Jeff who is like one of my kids, thru hiked the pct in
79
> at the age of 18.He
> became a high-powered realtor and he wanted to escape from the stress of
> life for awhile, so He went out into the wilderness for 6-8 weeks and he
> used a method of submerging his food in waterproof bags in a lake where he
> was camped. He had packed in enough food for this time period over several
> carries.  The food was always in the lake when he came in with more.
>
> I think he submerged it with rocks on the bottom of the lake as far out as
> he could wade, with a rope attached.
>
> So there you have it. Incidental he did not get to stay the entire time,
one
> of those dang Idaho forest fires drove him out.
>
> Cheers,    Marge  (the old gal)
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:pct-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of Tom Hopkins
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 12:22 PM
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] ???
>
>
> Strider  got me thinking about submerging food again as a way to keep
> from bears getting it in the Sierra's. I was thinking about trying a
> "dry bag" boaters use, but they are actually pretty heavy. With the new
> regulations I have to bring my  bear cannister. But, I was thinking
> about double sealing a package of food in a vacuum packer and submerging
> it at night. Has anyone ever tried this? I am going to be on "bear
> alley" in two weeks and I am considering trying it.
> Tom
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Craig Giffen <cg@amz.com>
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: New Thread
>
>
>
> Ahh, good idea, here were some of my fun off trail experiences:
>
> - Someone told me that Los Lobos, Bruce Hornsby, and a bunch of
> other bands (Furthur festival) was going on in Reno.  So I walked a 34
> mile day to highway 50, then hitchhiked into South Lake Tahoe the next
> day.  Met some hippie guy who was going up to Reno.  We stopped and ate at
> Sizzler for a couple hours.  (Thru-hiking is the only time Sizzler is
> actually GOOD).  We went up to Reno.  Someone gave him a ticket, which he
> gave to me since he didn't want to leave his dog in the van.  I went to
> the show, met Bruce Hornsby who was walking around in the crowd.  Two days
> later I was back on the trail.
>
> - Seeing movies while on the trail was kinda fun, saw four that I can
> remember.
>
> - Meeting a girl who was camping by the PCT and hanging out with her for
> a couple days, but me being to dense to realize that she actually liked
> me.
>
> - Going to the Starlight Mountain Festival near snoqualmie pass.  It was
> this hippie dippy festival, and my friend and I got a ride from these 19
> year old metalhead kids.  Here we are stuffed into the back of a beat up
> Buick with our packs.  Right behind our heads are these huge speakers
> blaring Slayer.  We met some friends at the festival and camped with
> them.  They were really suprised since they new we were on the trail that
> month, and we just walked right into their camp and said "hello".
>
>
> -  Getting stuck in Quincy, CA without my pack.  Had to sleep behind the
> community college with the sunday paper for a blanket.  Getting a motel
> would be no fun.  The cops were a bit unruly though, since they didn't
> believe Ryan and I (guy I was hiking with for a few days) were actually on
> the trail.  Took all day to hitchike back up to Belden, never had so much
> trash thrown at me while trying to hitchike.
>
> CG
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > From: d111@mail.jps.net (david paulson)
> > Subject: [pct-l] New Thread
> >
> > Here's a thread I haven't seen discussed before:
> >
> > What "off trail" events would you suggest attending
> > for those thru-hikers who enjoy town life/cultural events
> > as much as life on the trail? Events must be within a reasonable
> > hitch of the trail and occur when the "typical" thru-hiker
> > would be passing through the area.
> >
> > What got me thinking about this was seeing Allen and Shane
> > (both thru-hikers)  at the California World Music
> > Festival in Grass Valley this weekend. Allen hitched
> > from Sierra City (about 90 minutes away) and Shane came
> > down from Donner Pass ( about 60 minutes away).
> > Shane actually contacted the promoters ahead of time
> > to volunteer at the festival, and thus got in free
> > at the three day event.
> >
> > So, what other suggestions do you have???
>
>
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> Message: 5
> From: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>
> To: "'Tom Hopkins'" <java2@ix.netcom.com>, pct-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] ???
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:15:09 -0700
>
> Tom-
> I have used this method often but it has never been tested that I know of.
I
> may have been just lucky. My approach is to place food cans under a rock
in
> running water with the logic that the running water will remove the scent.
> This is relatively easy in a stream.
>
> I must say however, that the new bear canisters are sufficiently light and
> big enough for me to decide not to venture into bear alley without one. In
> non bear alley i use my double Ursack.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Hopkins [mailto:java2@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:22 AM
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] ???
>
>
> Strider  got me thinking about submerging food again as a way to keep
> from bears getting it in the Sierra's. I was thinking about trying a
> "dry bag" boaters use, but they are actually pretty heavy. With the new
> regulations I have to bring my  bear cannister. But, I was thinking
> about double sealing a package of food in a vacuum packer and submerging
> it at night. Has anyone ever tried this? I am going to be on "bear
> alley" in two weeks and I am considering trying it.
> Tom
>
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> From: "farley" <farley125@home.com>
> To: "pct" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Fw: [pct-l] New Thread
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:30:21 -0700
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: farley <farley125@home.com>
> To: david paulson <d111@mail.jps.net>
> Date: Sunday, July 15, 2001 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] New Thread
>
>
> >Ashland, Oregon's Shakespeare Theater.  Only 9- miles off the PCT.
> >Performances are usually sold out but I have always been able to get a
> >ticket (at the standard rate) outside the theater just before the
> >performance.
> >                                           Farley
> >
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David hiking PCNST in bits <pcnst@oakapple.net>
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] yet another new thread
>
> >Ashland, Oregon's Shakespeare Theater.
>
> Actually this brings up a major issue for through-hikers, I would think:
> what do you do with your pack when you can't be with it.    Remembering
> Helen's story at Lake Morena, one wouldn't ever want to be out of sight of
it.
> Seems like as good an argument as any against hiking solo.    Somebody
> has to watch your pack if you go into an outhouse in a campground near a
road.
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:14:49 -0700
> From: Tom Hopkins <java2@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "pct-l@backcountry.net" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] what to do???
>
> I usually hibernate in towns because I get so scarey looking after a few
> weeks on the trail. Last year I was going northbound and decided to
> water up at the higghway  rest stop at Hwy 80 at Donner Pass. As I
> wondered in off of the trail a tourtist took one look at me.....looked
> absolutely terrified and picked up her cell phone:-)
> Tom
>
>
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> Message: 9
> From: Montedodge@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:54:00 EDT
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Off trail stuff and Maps
>
>  As far as off trail trips for thru-hikers, when you get to Stehikin, take
> the boat to Chelan for a great over night trip and go to the town of
Manson
> for their little craft and apple festival around Labor day weekend. ( Or
any
> time and go to  Chelan's Campbell House for dinner at the South end of the
> Lake) Boat ride is 25 dollars for a around trip , 110 miles and is
> fantastic!!!) Maps, I just got a box full of maps from my aunt who worked
in
> Alaska when it was first a state and got a 1955 4 by 8 ft. wall map of the
> state which is great. Plus a bunch of  smaller ones as well. Though not
PCT
> related, I am in the planning stages of my yukon river kayak trip which
will
> have several former PCT thru-hikers on it. Start date will be Mid -June
2003
> from Whitehorse, Canada to Circle, Alaska and will be roughly 650 miles
and
> take 3 weeks. Lighting Bolt of this year's PCT hike did this in 1984 and
has
> a great web page with much infor. Yukon is good river with much history
and
> wildlife. Also the river does most of your work and flows 7 to 10 mph. 40
> mile days on the water are no problem if the wind stays away. Sorry to get
> off on a non- PCT subject!! ( I am sorry) Paddling is a close second love
>
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> Message: 10
> From: CharlieJones@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:32:40 EDT
> To: PCT-L@backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiker Sightings
>
> Cheryl Mason, Jan Craven and I were hiking in southern Oregon last week.
We
> saw Trey, Nobo, and Hersch at Crater Lake. They all looked healthy and
happy,
> especially after "carbing out" in the Watchtower buffet restaurant. They
all
> headed north on the 11th or 12th.
>
> Charlie
>
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