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- Subject: [pct-l] Re: PCT-L digest, Vol 1 #193 - 11 msgs
- From: mhunnicu@willamette.edu (Mat Hunnicutt)
- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:19:26 -0700 (PDT)
- In-Reply-To: <200107121701.f6CH1s383069@edina2.hack.net>
You can buy running shorts that work really well. The cool max fabric dry
quikly and is really lightweight plus you can get the shorts in a variety
of lengths and wear them as is or wear them as underwear either way it is
comfortable and really lightweight
The dude
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 pct-l-request@mailman.backcountry.net wrote:
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> 1. Help with Transpo: Fresno>>Edison Lake on 4 AUG (Jim Hayslett)
> 2. Thanks for Help (Moore, Hamilton D.)
> 3. Re: slow hiking/ (Rachel Berrington)
> 4. Re: slow hiking/ (Mara Factor)
> 5. Bike shorts and seams (Brick Robbins)
> 6. Up in Smoke!! (Montedodge@aol.com)
> 7. RE: undies and shorts (Marge Prothman)
> 8. Gear review after 100 miles and 14 days on JMT (Hamilton D. Moore)
> 9. PCT hikers spotted "Lounging" at Red's Meadow (Joedaddy44@aol.com)
> 10. PCT hikers spotted "Lounging" at Red's Meadow (Joedaddy44@aol.com)
> 11. RE: Gear review after 100 miles and 14 days on JMT (Reynolds, WT)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Jim Hayslett" <escapetooz@hotmail.com>
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:16:30 -0000
> Subject: [pct-l] Help with Transpo: Fresno>>Edison Lake on 4 AUG
>
> Greetings,
> Still sussing out transportation options from Fresno up to Edison Lake
> on 4 AUG and was hoping someone on this thread might have some
> insights/options or if you're in the Fresno area, would like to take a great
> drive that would fatten you wallet.
> Thanks,
> Dieter Citronella
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> Message: 2
> From: "Moore, Hamilton D." <hamilton@TruthandJustice.com>
> To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Cc: "Mary Ann Heathfield (E-mail)" <maheathfield@teleweb.net>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:29:38 -0700
> Subject: [pct-l] Thanks for Help
>
> Just completed 100 miles along the John Muir trail, from Red's Meadow south
> to Taboose Pass. Had 50th birthday with cake, sore feet and much gratitude
> for input from this list.
>
> Will give gear and trip report soon.
>
> Very truly yours,
>
> Hamilton D. Moore
>
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> Message: 3
> From: "Rachel Berrington" <rgmdb@hotmail.com>
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] slow hiking/
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:24:22 -0700
>
> To the other curvaceous hikers on the list,
>
> Anyone found a good pair of wicking liners/shorts that don't ride up? I'm
> sick of my REI women's boxers riding up when I start to sweat during a
> climb. I'm thinking there's got to be some lightweight "bike short" type
> undies out there with good wicking properties that stay put on the thigh.
> I've checked Title 9, but all their shorts are the thick, aerobic-class
> stuff. I want to wear these under my regular hiking shorts.
>
> Any ideas?
> Rachel
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> Message: 4
> From: "Mara Factor" <m_factor@hotmail.com>
> To: rgmdb@hotmail.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] slow hiking/
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:58:56 -0400
>
> I just wear bike shorts (get the cheapest ones you can find for hiking).
> That's all I've worn for the last eight years worth of hiking. No need for
> undies. No chafing. What more could you want?
>
> :-)
>
> At 6'1", I'm yet another woman for whom Title 9 just can't help...
>
> Mara
>
> P.S. I usually end up with men's bike shorts because they have longer legs
> (inseam) than most women's models.
>
>
> >From: "Rachel Berrington" <rgmdb@hotmail.com>
> >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:24:22 -0700
> >
> >To the other curvaceous hikers on the list,
> >
> >Anyone found a good pair of wicking liners/shorts that don't ride up? I'm
> >sick of my REI women's boxers riding up when I start to sweat during a
> >climb. I'm thinking there's got to be some lightweight "bike short" type
> >undies out there with good wicking properties that stay put on the thigh.
> >I've checked Title 9, but all their shorts are the thick, aerobic-class
> >stuff. I want to wear these under my regular hiking shorts.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >Rachel
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:11:50 -0700
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
> From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Bike shorts and seams
>
> At 03:58 PM 7/11/01, Mara Factor wrote:
> >I just wear bike shorts (get the cheapest ones you can find for hiking).
>
> I prefer bike shorts with flat feld seams - like the on the inseam of a
> pair of jeans, instead of a serged seam like on the outseam of jeans.
>
> The flat feld seam is fairly flush with the fabric, while the serged seam
> has a ridge that chaffes me.
>
> Usually, the "cheapest" ones have a serged seam because it is cheaper to
> make and uses less fabric.
>
> References:
> Serged seams
> http://sewing.about.com/library/weekly/aa071798.htm
>
> Feld Seams
> http://sewing.about.com/library/weekly/aa010698.htm
> --
> Brick Robbins mailto:brick@fastpack.com
> ---------------------------
> I don't want people who want to dance.
> I want people who HAVE to dance
> -George Balanchine.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: Montedodge@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:49:25 EDT
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Up in Smoke!!
>
> That right!! The North Cascades has two big fires going right now and cost
> the lives of four firefighters. If things don't mellow out, They may close
> the forest and the PCT this year. One big fire is 20 miles from Winthorp.
> This is the driest year here since, " uh hum" 1977. If we get any lighting
> this year, all is doomed!!!!
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Reply-To: <margepr@sunvalley.net>
> From: "Marge Prothman" <margepr@sunvalley.net>
> To: "Rachel Berrington" <rgmdb@hotmail.com>, <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] undies and shorts
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:31:36 -0600
>
> I also sometimes just wear the cheapest bike type shorts with no undies,
> along with a long, 3/4 length sleeve polyester top. I am very cool in this
> garb and the sweat evaporates quickly. My regular Sierra Design Shorts
> which I now wear most of the time have their own bikini type underwear
> attached and this can be rinsed easily and dries fast. No need for extra
> underwear.
> cheers, Marge (the old gal)
>
> -----Original Message---
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Reply-To: <moore.hd@truthandjustice.com>
> From: "Hamilton D. Moore" <moore.hd@lvcm.com>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Cc: "Mary Ann Heathfield" <maheathfield@teleweb.net>,
> "Susan Heathfield" <s.heathfield@tsc.techsmith.com>,
> "Jordan Heathfield" <jordanh27@hotmail.com>,
> "William Hamilton" <w.hamilton@TechSmith.com>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:54:14 -0700
> Subject: [pct-l] Gear review after 100 miles and 14 days on JMT
>
>
>
> Gear review for 4 people for 14 days on the JMT.
>
> Well, nearly 14 days, we spent three days at the wonderful Vermillion Resort
> waiting for replacement contacts.
>
> We hiked 100 miles from Red's Meadow to Taboose Pass. We were lightly or
> moderately rained or hailed on for most of three days.
>
> Sleeping and Shelter
>
> Sleep Bags= 4 lb polar guard synthetic. Too heavy but provided warmth even
> when wet.
> Tyvek,= wonderful stuff, used some for tarp, could have used more. Shed
> rain when held above head.
> Tent= Stephanson warmlite 3 person tent with windows. Sleeps 4 in pinch
> with all gear. For light rain, would be better off with tarp to place
> things under while packing, cooking etc. for 4 people, should have taken
> tarp or more tyvek to be used for tarp.
>
> Clothing
>
> OR hat- floppy, nylon Great lightweight sheds water
> OR windstopper fleece balaclavas nice for sleeping above 10 k
>
> Various long underwear from silk, not so good to synthetic rei and Patagonia
> mid to heavy weight. Nice for cold nights, mid weight good for wearing
> under raingear while hiking
>
> Stephanson VB shirts. Great for sleeping, keeps moisture from getting into
> tent and bags. Exremely warm for weight. Waterproof, used to replace lost
> raincoat as well.
>
> White cotton (shock you doesn't it) long sleeve desert shirts. Great for
> warm weather hiking. Soaks up sweat, keeps you cool keeps you from getting
> sunburned, keeps your "breathable wicking" things from getting soaked with
> sweat while you hike. Wash out each night to keep from stinking.
>
> Marmot Shell. Excellent
>
> Frog Toggs, light weight keep rain and wind out. Breathable as goretex,
> which is to say, not really. Worn over VB shirt, patagonis midweight long
> undies, nothing, vb shirt and over everything when cold. Bib bottoms
> comfortable, modearately durable, one ripped. They keep the wind and the
> rain out Great, when combined with OR hat or integral hood.
>
> Stephanson VB socks. Nice to slip on in bed at night, dry weigh nothing,
> keep feet warm while letting air in. Wear next to skin while wading streams
> for warming water quickly, keeps feet in warm water stew. Wear outside
> socks when cool for fording sreams and keeping socks dry.
>
> People wore heavy wool socks except for 14 year old who wore thin white
> socks which wore out in heel.
>
> Shoes. Only person free of blisters had Lowa tempest lows. Did not dry
> well and wet socks after stream crossings. Heavy, relatively, but worth it
> for no blisters.
> Two pairs of Aasics light weight GelNand III Duo Max waterproof from REI
> resulted in toe and ball blisters on two overweight hikers, but they were
> light, dried fast. Waterproof portion is only in part of upper and it works
> well to keep shoe from getting wet at all.
>
> New Balance 805's did not dry well but resulted in only light blisters on
> foot of incredibly fit, football star 14 year old.
>
> Cooking
>
> 3 qt titanium non'stick pot. Non stick coating probably results in delayed
> boiling, did not prevent sticking. Pot is light but bottom does not
> distribute heat. Pot worked better over cookfire than stove.
>
> Stove msr dragonfly, performed flawlessly, using about 44 oz fuel cooking
> for 4 for 7 days sometimes two meals a day.
>
> Campmor mugs= a little too small but they do keep stuff hot.
>
> Cook what you can in Bags, it is so much easier.
>
> Tiny cigarette lighters==In the 30 years since I regularly used strike
> anywhere matches they seem to have gotten where they hardly strike.
> Moisture in air seemed to keep them from going. Lighters worked better on
> wet days.
>
> Lighting
>
> http://www.ledlite.com/pocketbright.html Two of 4 pocket brights failed by
> developing switch problems, poor record. One could not be used the other
> could be used if housing squeezed constantly. Not good. But the things are
> so handy, hanging from lanyard around neck, and so light, I say buy two,
> just in case. Hiked 8 miles down steep taboose pass trail, under completely
> overcast sky, in intermittent rain and complete dark, sometimes under brush
> and tree canopy, and found them wonderful to use. Also used one 4 led
> headlamp. Lithium batteries are very light making this wonderful tool.
> Careful with on-off, could use more positive mechanism. Batteries lasted
> for entire trip and no doubt will be good for three more such trips.
>
> Packs.
>
> 4 go lite two with waist belts two without. Were too small and too
> overloaded with our not so lite load. People without waist belts complained
> of no waist belt, 14 yo complained of inadequate waist belt padding, and fat
> man found, as with all waist belts, waist belt was useless. Packs were
> durable. Outside netting on smaller packs not big enough to put much in.
>
> Hydration
>
> 4 SafewaterAnyWHere suck on filters. Must be good sucker and prepared to
> endure endless dripping and tongue sore from sucking. Silt filter requires
> cleaning every two to three days. Basically, require installation of
> aftermarket in line valve to end dripping but, very convenient and fast.
> Will fill litre jar with dripping, if the sucking tip is removed, in about
> 20 minutes to provide necessary relief from aggrevation of sucking.
>
> MSR Dromedary Bag==expedited cooking and cleanup, made possible efficient
> cooking away from water source.
>
> Gaitor Aid bottles for a real drink of water and one Nalgene for measuring.
> Campmor cups also had measures as did three litre pot.
>
> Maps
>
> JMT map pack http://www.tomharrisonmaps.com/order.html without doubt best
> choice. Does not include location of bear boxes or other useful info on
> back of maps but has mileage between points usually 3-9 miles apart
> including intersections and passes. 80' contour interval, and, well tested,
> water proof.
>
> Watch Sunnoto with Altimiter. With this and the maps and some understanding
> of how to use them, nothing else is needed for navigation.
>
> Camera==Olympus C-3040 digital Zoom
> http://www.olympusamerica.com/product.asp?product=661 This product works
> well even when it gets wet. Its shape makes it a little difficult to find a
> bag for and learning how to change resolution of photos taken on fly takes
> some time, but it produces beautiful pictures which can be made to poster
> size.
>
> I thank all of you for your discussion which aided us invaluably.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: Joedaddy44@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:27:23 EDT
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT hikers spotted "Lounging" at Red's Meadow
>
> On Sat. June 30, Joe & Terrie Anderson of "Casa de Luna" in Green Valley, CA
> (PCT mile 477) took the "Lunatic Lounge" on a road trip to Red's Meadow where
> we once again enjoyed the company of many of our friends from this years crop
> of thru-hikers. During our 10 day stay we met up with......
>
> 6/30 Bodhi, Tree, True North, Don & Tom
>
> 7/1 Paranoid, Small Pants, Phluff, Yogi, Drew, Bailey, E-Train, Jaime,
> Kieth, John, Kate (John & Kate had to leave the trail here)
>
> 7/3 Just Geoff & Barfly
>
> 7/4 Dara, Ricochet, Alex, Sparks d-Shak
>
> 7/7 Roadrunner, Ian
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: Joedaddy44@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:27:52 EDT
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT hikers spotted "Lounging" at Red's Meadow
>
> On Sat. June 30, Joe & Terrie Anderson of "Casa de Luna" in Green Valley, CA
> (PCT mile 477) took the "Lunatic Lounge" on a road trip to Red's Meadow where
> we once again enjoyed the company of many of our friends from this years crop
> of thru-hikers. During our 10 day stay we met up with......
>
> 6/30 Bodhi, Tree, True North, Don & Tom
>
> 7/1 Paranoid, Small Pants, Phluff, Yogi, Drew, Bailey, E-Train, Jaime,
> Kieth, John, Kate (John & Kate had to leave the trail here)
>
> 7/3 Just Geoff & Barfly
>
> 7/4 Dara, Ricochet, Alex, Sparks d-Shak
>
> 7/7 Roadrunner, Ian
>
> We had a GREAT season this year, thanks to the wonderful people we crossed
> paths (and trails) with!
> Joe & Terrie / Casa de Luna (Lunatic Lounge)
> * Start slow and taper-off *
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>
> To: "'moore.hd@truthandjustice.com'" <moore.hd@truthandjustice.com>,
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc: Mary Ann Heathfield <maheathfield@teleweb.net>,
> Susan Heathfield
> <s.heathfield@tsc.techsmith.com>,
> Jordan Heathfield
> <jordanh27@hotmail.com>,
> William Hamilton <w.hamilton@TechSmith.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Gear review after 100 miles and 14 days on JMT
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:10:08 -0700
>
> I am interested in why you chose all this Stephenson Vapor barrier stuff to
> keep warm yet opted for heavy synthetic bags that were inadaquate based on
> your account. A Stephenson 3RS is a very warm tent. I have had no trouble
> keeping warm in it with a 20 degree down bag.
>
> However, if you try to stuff 4 people into a 3RS you will have trouble with
> people/water/gear management while it is raining or when you are packing to
> go in the morning. With only three people it is relatively easy to isolate
> dirty/wet gear/boots/etc at one end and keep dry gear at the other.
> [However, my experience is that wet gear is mostly caused by dew. See
> below.]
>
> I am also wondering how your bag got wet. Was it a stream crossing? Most
> people use down without difficulty in the Sierra.
>
> Did you calculate your base weight and food weight? It appears that your
> load was well beyond the design criteria of the golite packs.
>
> You hiked the JMT relatively early. Typically, in the July-September
> timeframe it rains only in the late afternoon and only when clouds appear in
> the sky by 11AM. If you hike very early and camp before 2PM when rain is
> possible you will have your camp setup before 3PM and you won't need any
> real rain protection because you store all gear in the 3RS. I have only
> hiked in the rain a couple of times in the last 15 years using this approach
> [On the trail by 7AM-off the trail by 2PM]. Even when you catch a storm it
> only seems to last a day or two.
>
> We also find that it is worth it to carry camp and stream crossing shoes.
> Currently we use racing flats for this purpose. This keeps our regular
> shoes/boots dry. True, it is a pain in early season to cjange shoes every
> stream crossing but we have found that blisters are a bigger pain. In fact,
> compared to lower elevation trails and wetter years, you should have had
> only a couple of serious crossings, in Evolution Valley for example, this
> year. [I remember 1998]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hamilton D. Moore [mailto:moore.hd@lvcm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:54 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc: Mary Ann Heathfield; Susan Heathfield; Jordan Heathfield; William
> Hamilton
> Subject: [pct-l] Gear review after 100 miles and 14 days on JMT
>
>
>
>
> Gear review for 4 people for 14 days on the JMT.
>
> Well, nearly 14 days, we spent three days at the wonderful Vermillion Resort
> waiting for replacement contacts.
>
> We hiked 100 miles from Red's Meadow to Taboose Pass. We were lightly or
> moderately rained or hailed on for most of three days.
>
> Sleeping and Shelter
>
> Sleep Bags= 4 lb polar guard synthetic. Too heavy but provided warmth even
> when wet.
> Tyvek,= wonderful stuff, used some for tarp, could have used more. Shed
> rain when held above head.
> Tent= Stephanson warmlite 3 person tent with windows. Sleeps 4 in pinch
> with all gear. For light rain, would be better off with tarp to place
> things under while packing, cooking etc. for 4 people, should have taken
> tarp or more tyvek to be used for tarp.
>
> Clothing
>
> OR hat- floppy, nylon Great lightweight sheds water
> OR windstopper fleece balaclavas nice for sleeping above 10 k
>
> Various long underwear from silk, not so good to synthetic rei and Patagonia
> mid to heavy weight. Nice for cold nights, mid weight good for wearing
> under raingear while hiking
>
> Stephanson VB shirts. Great for sleeping, keeps moisture from getting into
> tent and bags. Exremely warm for weight. Waterproof, used to replace lost
> raincoat as well.
>
> White cotton (shock you doesn't it) long sleeve desert shirts. Great for
> warm weather hiking. Soaks up sweat, keeps you cool keeps you from getting
> sunburned, keeps your "breathable wicking" things from getting soaked with
> sweat while you hike. Wash out each night to keep from stinking.
>
> Marmot Shell. Excellent
>
> Frog Toggs, light weight keep rain and wind out. Breathable as goretex,
> which is to say, not really. Worn over VB shirt, patagonis midweight long
> undies, nothing, vb shirt and over everything when cold. Bib bottoms
> comfortable, modearately durable, one ripped. They keep the wind and the
> rain out Great, when combined with OR hat or integral hood.
>
> Stephanson VB socks. Nice to slip on in bed at night, dry weigh nothing,
> keep feet warm while letting air in. Wear next to skin while wading streams
> for warming water quickly, keeps feet in warm water stew. Wear outside
> socks when cool for fording sreams and keeping socks dry.
>
> People wore heavy wool socks except for 14 year old who wore thin white
> socks which wore out in heel.
>
> Shoes. Only person free of blisters had Lowa tempest lows. Did not dry
> well and wet socks after stream crossings. Heavy, relatively, but worth it
> for no blisters.
> Two pairs of Aasics light weight GelNand III Duo Max waterproof from REI
> resulted in toe and ball blisters on two overweight hikers, but they were
> light, dried fast. Waterproof portion is only in part of upper and it works
> well to keep shoe from getting wet at all.
>
> New Balance 805's did not dry well but resulted in only light blisters on
> foot of incredibly fit, football star 14 year old.
>
> Cooking
>
> 3 qt titanium non'stick pot. Non stick coating probably results in delayed
> boiling, did not prevent sticking. Pot is light but bottom does not
> distribute heat. Pot worked better over cookfire than stove.
>
> Stove msr dragonfly, performed flawlessly, using about 44 oz fuel cooking
> for 4 for 7 days sometimes two meals a day.
>
> Campmor mugs= a little too small but they do keep stuff hot.
>
> Cook what you can in Bags, it is so much easier.
>
> Tiny cigarette lighters==In the 30 years since I regularly used strike
> anywhere matches they seem to have gotten where they hardly strike.
> Moisture in air seemed to keep them from going. Lighters worked better on
> wet days.
>
> Lighting
>
> http://www.ledlite.com/pocketbright.html Two of 4 pocket brights failed by
> developing switch problems, poor record. One could not be used the other
> could be used if housing squeezed constantly. Not good. But the things are
> so handy, hanging from lanyard around neck, and so light, I say buy two,
> just in case. Hiked 8 miles down steep taboose pass trail, under completely
> overcast sky, in intermittent rain and complete dark, sometimes under brush
> and tree canopy, and found them wonderful to use. Also used one 4 led
> headlamp. Lithium batteries are very light making this wonderful tool.
> Careful with on-off, could use more positive mechanism. Batteries lasted
> for entire trip and no doubt will be good for three more such trips.
>
> Packs.
>
> 4 go lite two with waist belts two without. Were too small and too
> overloaded with our not so lite load. People without waist belts complained
> of no waist belt, 14 yo complained of inadequate waist belt padding, and fat
> man found, as with all waist belts, waist belt was useless. Packs were
> durable. Outside netting on smaller packs not big enough to put much in.
>
> Hydration
>
> 4 SafewaterAnyWHere suck on filters. Must be good sucker and prepared to
> endure endless dripping and tongue sore from sucking. Silt filter requires
> cleaning every two to three days. Basically, require installation of
> aftermarket in line valve to end dripping but, very convenient and fast.
> Will fill litre jar with dripping, if the sucking tip is removed, in about
> 20 minutes to provide necessary relief from aggrevation of sucking.
>
> MSR Dromedary Bag==expedited cooking and cleanup, made possible efficient
> cooking away from water source.
>
> Gaitor Aid bottles for a real drink of water and one Nalgene for measuring.
> Campmor cups also had measures as did three litre pot.
>
> Maps
>
> JMT map pack http://www.tomharrisonmaps.com/order.html without doubt best
> choice. Does not include location of bear boxes or other useful info on
> back of maps but has mileage between points usually 3-9 miles apart
> including intersections and passes. 80' contour interval, and, well tested,
> water proof.
>
> Watch Sunnoto with Altimiter. With this and the maps and some understanding
> of how to use them, nothing else is needed for navigation.
>
> Camera==Olympus C-3040 digital Zoom
> http://www.olympusamerica.com/product.asp?product=661 This product works
> well even when it gets wet. Its shape makes it a little difficult to find a
> bag for and learning how to change resolution of photos taken on fly takes
> some time, but it produces beautiful pictures which can be made to poster
> size.
>
> I thank all of you for your discussion which aided us invaluably.
>
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