[pct-l] anyone looking to unload a set of strap on crampons?

[robert.greenlee@summit-itc.com (Greenlee, Robert)]

I'm looking to buy a set of used strap on crampons..not the binding type but
the strap on type.  I only have 40 dollars to spend.  Thanks.
greenlee@jps.net

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Today's Topics:

   1. Shave you legs!! (DiLorenzo Tony)
   2. Re: PCT-L digest, Vol 1 need some info (Larry Hillberg)
   3. Re: PCT-L digest, Vol 1 #68 - 25 msgs (Ginny & Jim Owen)
   4. Radios (Valerie)
   5. Need some advice (Mark Hudson)
   6. headphoneless radios in the backcountry (Steve Courtway)
   7. RE: need some info - Or keeping found! (Ronald Moak)
   8. Re: Seeking Advice on PCT footwear (Christine Kudija)
   9. yet more on ELTs (Brick Robbins)
  10. Re: headphoneless radios in the backcountry (MizDelphi@aol.com)
  11. Re: need some info - Or keeping found! (Christine Kudija)
  12. Re: Shave you legs!! (Bighummel@aol.com)
  13. Re: Hiking Alone (Christine Kudija)
  14. Re: headphoneless radios in the backcountry (Slyatpct@aol.com)
  15. Re: yet more on ELTs (Ken & Marcia Powers)
  16. Re: Shave you legs!! (Jim Serio)
  17. radios in the outdoors (Steve Courtway)
  18. Re: Shave you legs!! (Slyatpct@aol.com)
  19. Re: Shave you legs!! (Bob Moulder)
  20. radios in the woods (Steve Courtway)
  21. Re: headphoneless radios in the backcountry (Valerie)
  22. Re: headphoneless radios in the backcountry (CMountainDave@aol.com)
  23. Re: Shave you legs!! (Jennifer R. Doebler)
  24. shorts vs pants (CMountainDave@aol.com)
  25. RE: headphoneless radios in the backcountry (William Edward Kendall)
  26. Re: headphoneless radios in the backcountry (TrailTrash)
  27. ear plugs no mas (CMountainDave@aol.com)
  28. Re: radio (ROYROBIN@aol.com)

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Message: 1
X-te: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:24:24 -0800 (PST)
From: DiLorenzo Tony <tdilopct@yahoo.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Shave you legs!!

Monte is right.  I did shave my legs before I started
and one or two times while hiking the souther section.
 I didn't get one tick on me which was nice.  The
reason for this is that when you are walking along and
the brush rubbing your legs ticks can grab onto your
hair.  With shaved, smooth legs there isn't anything
to grab onto.

After the southern section though I didn't do it at
all.  It gets tough to shave period when you only have
3 min to shower.

Look forward to seeing everyone at the ADZPCTKOP this
year.  I will be there early on Friday morning for all
of you 2001 hikers.

Tony "Trail Mix"
PCT 2000

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Message: 2
From: "Larry Hillberg" <hhloth@neworld.net>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:56:30 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Re: PCT-L digest, Vol 1 need some info

> From: "JoAnn M. Michael" <jomike@snowcrest.net>
I have a non hiking husband who worries, a lot, while I'm gone.
> JoAnn

JoAnn
You have already proved that you can survive difficult situations so I think
that you "are in the know" as much as anybody else.  To placate your husband
you could bring

A cell phone - Motorola used to make, and probably still does, a solar
battery for one of their models.  Makes it lighter than carrying a charger
unit with the newer ultralite models? - just a guess.
or a signal mirror - you can take a course on how to use it
or one of those flashlights that can be seen for a mile or more
or flares - also good for scaring off bears
matches for a smoky fire
and a whistle in case of injury off trail
or you could listen to a radio without earphones and someone will find you
to tell you to turn it off
Helen



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Message: 3
From: "Ginny & Jim Owen" <spiritbear2k@hotmail.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:48:42 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Re: PCT-L digest, Vol 1 #68 - 25 msgs

d111@mail.jps.net (david paulson) wrote:
>    Side note: can anyone recommend a one week backpack trip in Colorado?
>My girlfriend will be along so 10 mile days (not 35mpd :-)) will be our
>average. Thanks.


Dave -
I don't have a map handy, but it seems to me that there are a couple nice
loops that can be done out of Silverton (on the west side of the Weminuche).
  Or possibly something like - fly into Durango, take the train to
Silverton,  go in from one of the trailheads east of Silverton, follow the
CDT south to Wolf Creek Pass and then hitch back to Durango. But I'm not
sure about the mileage on that one - it could be longer than you're looking
for.  Don't mind me -- we won't have time to do more than a week-long hike
this year so we're looking too.

Walk softly,
Jim

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:50:22 -0800
From: Valerie <latte94@foothill.net>
To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Radios

Couldn't you do that in town???:)

Steve Courtway wrote:

> Belcher writes:
>
> >you're frightening off wildlife that you may have had
> >the chance to see, had you not given the warning with the radio.
>
> besides the fact that other (read: bodily) nosies
> probably scare off wild animals as well,  the sole
> purpose of the a.m. radio is to detach one's self
> from nature and get back to civilization for a short
> while.  for me, this includes NO DEER AND NO MARMOTS !!!!!
>
> Steve
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To: pct-l@backcountry.net
From: "Mark Hudson" <hudsom@us.ibm.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:24:14 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Need some advice

 JoAnn, a non-gender specific incident that happened to me while I was on
the JMT.  I spent the night camping with an older gent out on a section,
celebrating the 30th anniversary of his JMT thru-hike. As I was hiking much
faster than him, and also going out to Bishop for resupply, he gave me $2
and asked me to phone his wife and pass on that he was doing fine and
having a good time. I ended up talking to the answering machine, but I
assume she got the message.
OTOH, I got nuked in a horrific thunderstorm while hiking up in Quebec
(roads closed, power out for three days, etc; type of storm. Won't go into
the miles of blowdown I was clambering over). I asked some dayhikers to
call my friends who had left me on the trail, so they would know I was
still alive, but they never got called.
So while this system works, you don't really want to count on it, but it's
probably worth a shot...

skeeter


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Message: 6
From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
To: <PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:23:46 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] headphoneless radios in the backcountry

Regarding out loud music on the trail:

Valerie writes:

>Couldn't you do that in town???:)

the answer: nope.

The beauty of OUR PCT is that it also falls
within the land of the free.

free means that one can hang a rinky dink am
radio off one's backpack and turn it on,=20
WHENEVER THEY WANT !

Picture a line of zombies shackled to the trail,
unable to turn on their radios outloud; I get
visions of Heaven's Gate, not the GREAT AMERICAN
OUTDOORS.=20

steve



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Message: 7
From: Ronald Moak <ronm@fallingwater.com>
To: "'Brick Robbins'" <brick@fastpack.com>,
   "PCT-L Mailing List (E-mail)"
	 <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] need some info - Or keeping found!
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:12:21 -0800


>> With all due respect to Ron, I think his objection to ELTs are based more

on a philosophy of self reliance than actual problems with ELTs. <<

Actually I don't have any problems with or objections to ELT's. At least
none that I'm aware. Aside from taking part in several ELT practice SAR
rescues in the late '70's and early '80's, I don't have a significant amount
of knowledge about them. I also quite sure that today's units are
significantly more accurate and reliable than the one's we dealt with back
then.

If you decide to take one, you might want to consider it from the SAR's
point of view.  Currently I'm not aware of any great move on the part of
backcountry travelers, horsemen, hunters, hikers, etc. to adopt ELT's for
personal usage. So that means that 99.999 percent of their usage still
remains in the domain of the downed aircraft or boats at sea.

So chances are any SAR effort on land will start with and aerial search for
plane wreckage. An aerial search for a healthy person standing in a clearcut
or meadow is hard enough. Trying to locate someone who's incapacitate and in
the trees is damn difficult.

So if you're going to take one of these devices. Try and an make sure your
injured somewhere someone can see you easily.

Ron
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Message: 8
Reply-To: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
From: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
To: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>, "'Mara Factor'"
<m_factor@hotmail.com>,
   <latte94@foothill.net>, <rick@rickhubbard.org>
Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Seeking Advice on PCT footwear
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:55:42 -0800

After destroying my feet on the San Felipe Hills in '94 I can only support
what Tom says about tortoises and rabbits, going slowly at first to do that
initial conditioning - unless, of course, you've been running or walking or
hiking for 20 miles a day for the previous month already!

  I'm a 5'-5" female, size 7 bony feet, currently in my fortysomethings, and
had lots of experience with mountaineering in the Sierras, shorter hikes
(9 - 30 days) including cross-country with a pack.  So I thought I knew what
to do for blisters, with which I had also had substantial experience.

My mountaineering, steep-trail moleskin blister prevention method failed
miserably after several 20-mile days on the PCT in weather ranging from rain
and snow from Campo through the Lagunas to warm temps in the San Felipes.
By Barrel Springs the blisters underneath toenails, on the balls of my feet,
in between toes, over other blisters - all of which I had tried to dry,
drain, keep clean, etc. - were unbearably painful.  I had to take five days
off simply to be able to walk, and started the trail again at Idyllwild.  At
Big Bear I had to stop again because they simply would not heal.
Fortunately, Big Bear isn't far from where I live in Lozangeles county, and
I returned home & went to see my local podiatrist.  He gave me a miracle
cure - cheap & easy Vaseline.  I was to goop up my feet with Vaseline at
night & put plastic bags over my feet and let them poach overnight.  After a
single night my feet were pain-free, and I was back on the trail in about 4
days.  I had ONE blister after that - and that one was due to new
lightweight trail boots (that also happened to be a mistake...)  Running
shoes worked everywhere but the Sierra.  (so there. this happened to
surprise the heck out of me.)

These days, Vaseline or a runner's lubricant is my footcare of choice.  It
takes some getting used to, but it keeps the skin supple and helps to heal
early friction-abrasion.  I'd also recommend reading Jon Vonhof's "Fixing
Your Feet" - everyone's feet are different.

Sorry about the long post!  Hope it helps -

Christine Kudija


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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:07:25 -0800
To: "PCT-L Mailing List (E-mail)" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
Subject: [pct-l] yet more on ELTs

At 03:12 PM 3/9/01 , Ronald Moak wrote:
>So if you're going to take one of these devices. Try and an make sure your
>injured somewhere someone can see you easily.

I concur, but as long as the ELT is going off, they will keep looking for
you, even if they dont see aircraft wreckage. About the only time they
DON'T keep looking urgently is when the signal is coming from the parking
ramp at an airport (which is about 99% of the signals).

ELTs are available for back country use, and the SAR folks know that. While
probably not optimum, I can't think of a better solution for the problem
posed.

In my original post I recognized the "signal the search aircraft" aspect of
the problem and wrote:

 >> A smoke flare would probably be a good supplement to go with it, so you
could signal the search aircraft when you see it circling.<<

-Brick


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Message: 10
From: MizDelphi@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:36:35 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] headphoneless radios in the backcountry
To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net

The beauty of OUR PCT is that it also falls
within the land of the free.

free means that one can hang a rinky dink am
radio off one's backpack and turn it on,
WHENEVER THEY WANT !

Picture a line of zombies shackled to the trail,
unable to turn on their radios outloud; I get
visions of Heaven's Gate, not the GREAT AMERICAN
OUTDOORS.

steve


I remember listening to a song when I was little.  It went something like
"your rights stop at the end of my nose."

While I believe that people have the right to do what they want when they
want, I also believe that people also deserve respect.  If I want to be
bothered by disrespectful people who don't care that their radios are
disrupting everyone else around them, I will ride the New York City subway,
not hike in the great outdoors.

Belcher


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Message: 11
Reply-To: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
From: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
To: "PCT-L Mailing List \(E-mail\)" <pct-l@backcountry.net>,
   "R.J.Calliger" <calliger@infolane.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] need some info - Or keeping found!
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:50:46 -0800

R.J., your friend expresses the same sentiments I experienced on a solo
ramble up Striped Pk., out of the Tinemaha (I think) creek trail some years
ago.  Solo rambling is not just for men!  Thanks for the post -

Christine


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Message: 12
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:51:51 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shave you legs!!
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net

Oh you should have seen how the other thru-hikers looked at Tony last year
with his clean, shaven, muscular, legs!

Monte, are you gonna show off your pretty shaven legs at the ADZ this year
and demonstrate what you preach!  I can't wait!

Greg "Great Albino Zulu Warrior" Hummel

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Message: 13
Reply-To: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
From: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
To: <pct-l@backcountry.net>, "Greg Prothman" <gregpr@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking Alone
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:53:41 -0800

Marge, you're a role model for us all.

Christine


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Message: 14
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:04:56 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] headphoneless radios in the backcountry
To: scourtway@bpa-arch.com, PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net

In a message dated 3/9/2001 5:32:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
scourtway@bpa-arch.com writes:


> The beauty of OUR PCT is that it also falls
> within the land of the free.
>
> free means that one can hang a rinky dink am
> radio off one's backpack and turn it on,
>

Never did hike with open speakers, trying to get down on noise pollution I
guess, but I did do some hiking with headphones and always felt the need to
take them off if anyone approached.

If you walked up to me on the PCT with your radio on and audible, I have to
consider you an asshole, but not to worry, I've said and did things that
make
me one too!

AM radio huh, I have to ask, you don't listen to Rush and Dr. Laura while
you're in the woods, do you?

Sly


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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 16:46:13 -0800
From: Ken & Marcia Powers <kdpo@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] yet more on ELTs
To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net

Who was with me at Warner Springs last May. A large group of hikers was
picking boxes at the Post Office when SAR arrived with their tracking
antenna and all decked out in their work gear. They tracked a transponder to
the Post Office interior or parking lot and were asking all through hikers
if they were carrying a transponder that was accidentally sending! I told
them "No." twice, then began to worry that I was the guilty party if my sons
(who worry lots and are techno geeks) had bugged me. I quickly left the area
and don't know who the guilty party was.

Marcia
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From: "Brick Robbins" <brick@fastpack.com>
To: "PCT-L Mailing List (E-mail)" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:07 PM
Subject: [pct-l] yet more on ELTs


> At 03:12 PM 3/9/01 , Ronald Moak wrote:
> >So if you're going to take one of these devices. Try and an make sure
your
> >injured somewhere someone can see you easily.
>
> I concur, but as long as the ELT is going off, they will keep looking for
> you, even if they dont see aircraft wreckage. About the only time they
> DON'T keep looking urgently is when the signal is coming from the parking
> ramp at an airport (which is about 99% of the signals).
>
> ELTs are available for back country use, and the SAR folks know that.
While
> probably not optimum, I can't think of a better solution for the problem
posed.
>
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