From pctl at oakapple.net  Mon Apr 12 14:25:59 2021
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:25:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] day hiking section B
Message-ID: <202104121925.13CJPx8E026355@server-f.oakapple.net>


I am planning to test my readiness to resume backpacking by trying some
day hikes in the Warner Springs-Anza area - section B.

I don't see any closures or warnings at pcta.org

These are my assumptions - would appreciate any updates if wrong:

Warner Springs -
community resource center, resort are closed
car camping at barrel springs might be possible

Water report:

02/15/21 (SunnyD): The trail is pretty overgrown from mm112~mm116 with a 
 lot of downed trees. Lost the trail a few times.

If this is still true, might skip that segment.

Anza -
Kamp Anza might be open for tent camping
PCT access roads -
 Chihuahua Valley
 Tule Canyon
 Coyote Canyon
are open to the trail, or nearly, for normal SUV's
car camping near trail crossings might be possible

Thanks for any updates.

David Hough

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From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 13:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
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From ken at morethanamile.com  Tue Apr 13 20:58:49 2021
From: ken at morethanamile.com (Ken Roberts)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 01:58:49 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Old man walking
Message-ID: <MN2PR11MB401333043DC3CB01F9617C90BF4E9@MN2PR11MB4013.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Tired of this damnpemic, got my shots and heading for the hills this summer. Starting off Donner to Bucks Summit Labor Day with any luck. Last time I did this part, I pulled into Sierra City the morning of 9/11. The bar had the big screen playing towers falling. Left pretty quick. Spent the next 2 weeks walking North oblivious except for no planes in the sky. Good timing. Anyway, get out there old people, and enjoy.
Ken R.

From pctl at oakapple.net  Sun Apr 18 09:08:24 2021
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 07:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] water around Warner Springs
Message-ID: <202104181408.13IE8OKq002001@server-f.oakapple.net>




Barrel Springs stil has water as of 16 Apr but it's a rusty shadow of what I
found 20 years ago.

San Ysidro Creek is running small but clear and well.

Canada Verde remains a stunning oasis after what came before.   The water does
disappear by the time you get to the highway, as usual.

Likewise Agua Caliente is dry at the highway but running at the first crossing
after the "picnic tables" which seem to now be just one table at a height for
standing, with no sitting.     The creek gets better and better at each crossing,
but I didn't have a good answer for the question of how do you tell which is
the last crossing.    You'll know after the fact.    I had an easy time hiking
southbound for the day.

The water report lists lots of down trees in the first part of section B.   They've
all been cleared as the trail is quite easy to follow now.

There were lots of hikers on the trail, and lots of gliders soaring overhead, and
occasional supersonic military aircraft.

Lots of flowers too, more than I remember from 20 years ago when I came by just 
after the kickoff.     Surprising considering the bleak prospects at places like
the Antelope Valley Poppy Preserve.

There were signs up that the Snow Creek trail closure has been lifted.

David Hough

From pctl at oakapple.net  Sun Apr 18 09:29:49 2021
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 07:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Julian - almost a trail town
Message-ID: <202104181429.13IETndq002626@server-f.oakapple.net>


It's too bad the PCT didn't run closer to Julian and the Volcon Mountains rather
than the San Felipe endurance run.     Old Julian is nice and compact but - full of
tourists on weekends during through-hiker season.   Don't expect to find lodging
at the Julian Hotel or Lodge without a reservation.    Lots to eat and drink 
though.    There is lodging at the Apple Tree Inn in Wynola, three miles away,
and there's a Stagecoach Campground some miles to the east.    Both are options
more for day hikers than through-hikers.    The Apple Tree Inn is OK by trail
standards but sort of a last resort.

The Nickel Beer brewery is a couple miles east of town and is a fun place to
have a brew, but no kitchen.     The real gem is the Julian Beer Company in the
old town, with as of Apr 17, brews like Trail Angel, Zero Day, Dem Toes, etc.
They know something about the lifestyle.    A couple of guys with backpacks were
eating there.     Being Saturday night, it was pretty busy.

From temp3 at mflan.com  Mon Apr 19 06:08:37 2021
From: temp3 at mflan.com (Mike)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 06:08:37 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] water around Warner Springs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1618765201.45896.pct-l@backcountry.net>
References: <mailman.1.1618765201.45896.pct-l@backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <1027546d-35eb-e869-dd31-bee28afce5f8@mflan.com>



Canada Verde
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.26639,+-116.62528+%28Coordinates%29&iwloc=A&hl=en


San Ysidro Creek
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.24806,+-116.59917+%28Coordinates%29&iwloc=A&hl=en


Agua Caliente Crk
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.29552,+-116.63850+%28Coordinates%29&iwloc=A&hl=en


Mike


On 4/18/21 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 07:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Hough reading PCT-L <pctl at oakapple.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: water at pctwater.com
> Subject: [pct-l] water around Warner Springs
> Message-ID: <202104181408.13IE8OKq002001 at server-f.oakapple.net>
>
>
>
>
> Barrel Springs stil has water as of 16 Apr but it's a rusty shadow of what I
> found 20 years ago.
>
> San Ysidro Creek is running small but clear and well.
>
> Canada Verde remains a stunning oasis after what came before.   The water does
> disappear by the time you get to the highway, as usual.
>
> Likewise Agua Caliente is dry at the highway but running at the first crossing
> after the "picnic tables" which seem to now be just one table at a height for
> standing, with no sitting.     The creek gets better and better at each crossing,
> but I didn't have a good answer for the question of how do you tell which is
> the last crossing.    You'll know after the fact.    I had an easy time hiking
> southbound for the day.
>
> The water report lists lots of down trees in the first part of section B.   They've
> all been cleared as the trail is quite easy to follow now.
>
> There were lots of hikers on the trail, and lots of gliders soaring overhead, and
> occasional supersonic military aircraft.
>
> Lots of flowers too, more than I remember from 20 years ago when I came by just
> after the kickoff.     Surprising considering the bleak prospects at places like
> the Antelope Valley Poppy Preserve.
>
> There were signs up that the Snow Creek trail closure has been lifted.
>
> David Hough
>
>


From pctl at oakapple.net  Tue Apr 20 08:20:20 2021
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] day hiking in lower section B
Message-ID: <202104201320.13KDKKH8001103@server-f.oakapple.net>


There is a nice water cache right on the trail at Chihuahua Valley Road,
set up by the Boy Scouts, but perhaps kept filled by Mike down the road.
It makes a quick refill possible without a detour to Mike's place.

There was a freshly painted Water sign near Lost Valley Spring.   I didn't
check it out but it was full 20 years ago!   There was an ancient water sign
further north on the trail pointing uphill but I didn't bother checking it out.

I got as far north as halfmile-2019 milepost 131.5 at the mouth of a side
canyon that has a lot of cleared campsites for dry camping.   Not mentioned
on my 2019 maps.

Not many flowers compared to lower at Warner Springs, but the brush was
thriving.     Chaparal starts growing back five minutes after the trail 
crew goes home.    There are a couple of places where the trail tread is
starting to slip side away on the north side of Combs Peak.    Fortunately (?)
if you trip and fall, the brush will catch you in most places.
On the other hand, the relatively recently (post 1968)
constructed trail in this area
conforms beautifully to the 15% grade Forest Service standard, making
ascents and descents very tolerable, even if it seems to be the long way
around at times.

The road situation around Anza is deteriorating.     The new Cahuilla casino
attracts a lot of traffic and road work.    However the PCT access roads
seem to have deteriorated since 20 years ago.    Tule Canyon Truck Trail
was definitely not passible for ordinary cars and I was discouraged to 
try with an SUV though it might have worked.    Coyote Canyon Road didn't
look encouraging either though not as bad as far as I went.    These matter
for car-shuttling day hikers, and probably for trail maintainers.    Maybe
there are other possible access routes these days.

Chihuahua Valley Road remains passable with care by ordinary passenger cars,
at least as far as the PCT.

20 years ago Kamp Anza maintained a water cache somewhere above Anza.   I
didn't get far enough to know about the current status of that cache, but
Kamp Anza seems to be gone.

Anza itself would be a poor choice for a resupply town - spread out over quite
a long distance, and a good long walk from those access roads.     Stick
to Paradise Cafe, and Idyllwild.

I heard - amazing how trail news travels upstream and downstream - that the
Montezuma Market had become the new hiker go-to place near Barrel Springs,
but burned down a couple of days ago.

David Hough