From reinholdmetzger at cox.net  Sun Sep  6 16:14:33 2020
From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 14:14:33 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCT List
Message-ID: <88c5a6bb-242a-5423-1cbe-3d5434c8d7c1@cox.net>

Say Switchback,
I have been in and out of town a lot lately and off list for some time.
I wanted to see what was going on the PCT and was shocked to see only 2 
posts in August.
I remember a time when there would be 500-600 posts a month.
Yes, things have really changed since Switchback & Reinhold roamed the 
trails and the list,
specially the women, really seemed to be interested in what hard core 
mountain men had
to say, appreciated our words of wisdom, enjoyed your hiking humor and 
responded
accordingly to keep the list interesting & entertaining and the 
preferred source of advice
and information about the PCT.
Now with you gone, the list is dull & dead.

THE? LIST? NEEDS? YOU? SWITCHBACK!!!
COME? BACK? SWITCHBACK? &? RESURRECT? THE? LIST? TO? IT'S FORMER? GLORY!!!

JMT Reinhold


From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net  Sun Sep  6 18:45:13 2020
From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 23:45:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] PCT List
References: <2017082840.2948533.1599435913524.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2017082840.2948533.1599435913524@mail.yahoo.com>


I doubt if it would be the same LOL 
On Sunday, September 6, 2020 Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
Say Switchback,
I have been in and out of town a lot lately and off list for some time.
I wanted to see what was going on the PCT and was shocked to see only 2 
posts in August.
I remember a time when there would be 500-600 posts a month.
Yes, things have really changed since Switchback & Reinhold roamed the 
trails and the list,
specially the women, really seemed to be interested in what hard core 
mountain men had
to say, appreciated our words of wisdom, enjoyed your hiking humor and 
responded
accordingly to keep the list interesting & entertaining and the 
preferred source of advice
and information about the PCT.
Now with you gone, the list is dull & dead.

THE? LIST? NEEDS? YOU? SWITCHBACK!!!
COME? BACK? SWITCHBACK? &? RESURRECT? THE? LIST? TO? IT'S FORMER? GLORY!!!

JMT Reinhold

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From reinholdmetzger at cox.net  Mon Sep  7 01:19:30 2020
From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 23:19:30 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCT List
In-Reply-To: <2017082840.2948533.1599435913524@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <2017082840.2948533.1599435913524@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hey Ground Pounder,
Nice to hear from you and hope all is well on your end.
What happened to the PCT-L?
Like I said, I remember 500-600 posts a month not 2.
Also, since you replied at 4:45 PM you must have received my post to the 
list.
However, 6 hrs later it still is not on the PCT-L archives....hhhmmmm.
Do you have an answer?
Been doing any hiking lately?
Hope to run into you on the trail someday.

JMT Reinhold
................................................................................
On 9/6/2020 4:45 PM, William E Frenette wrote:
>
> I doubt if it would be the same LOL
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 Reinhold Metzger 
> <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Say Switchback,
> I have been in and out of town a lot lately and off list for some time.
> I wanted to see what was going on the PCT and was shocked to see only 2
> posts in August.
> I remember a time when there would be 500-600 posts a month.
> Yes, things have really changed since Switchback & Reinhold roamed the
> trails and the list,
> specially the women, really seemed to be interested in what hard core
> mountain men had
> to say, appreciated our words of wisdom, enjoyed your hiking humor and
> responded
> accordingly to keep the list interesting & entertaining and the
> preferred source of advice
> and information about the PCT.
> Now with you gone, the list is dull & dead.
>
> THE? LIST? NEEDS? YOU? SWITCHBACK!!!
> COME? BACK? SWITCHBACK? &? RESURRECT? THE LIST? TO? IT'S FORMER? GLORY!!!
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
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From hiker97 at aol.com  Mon Sep  7 10:34:23 2020
From: hiker97 at aol.com (hiker97 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 15:34:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] PCT List
In-Reply-To: <5f60b9da-a4c5-a509-0cd2-14dd7b331660@cox.net>
References: <2017082840.2948533.1599435913524.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2017082840.2948533.1599435913524@mail.yahoo.com>
 <5f60b9da-a4c5-a509-0cd2-14dd7b331660@cox.net>
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Personally, I have been following YouTube 2020 hikes on the PCT.? Lots of fun.? I hope to get to a lot of the trailtowns on my trike if I do not sell it.? Good riding and hiking weather is coming up in October!!? Sounds like a great time to harass, pillage and plunder?everyone along the trail.? I am getting excited just thinking about it.?Your obedient and humble servant, Sir Switchback of the Trail Pirate


 

From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net  Mon Sep  7 15:36:19 2020
From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:36:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] PCT List
References: <437756077.3192203.1599510979192.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <437756077.3192203.1599510979192@mail.yahoo.com>


This is weird because anything I post I can't see coming out on the list. I can see your comments & switchbacks but not my own . We moved to Idaho in 2017 so won't be hiking in Cali anytime if ever. Take Care keep in touch & WATCH out for Nov.
On Sunday, September 6, 2020 Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
 Hey Ground Pounder,
 Nice to hear from you and hope all is well on your end.
 What happened to the PCT-L?
 Like I said, I remember 500-600 posts a month not 2.
 Also, since you replied at 4:45 PM you must have received my post to the list.
 However, 6 hrs later it still is not on the PCT-L archives....hhhmmmm.
 Do you have an answer?
 Been doing any hiking lately?
 Hope to run into you on the trail someday.
 
 JMT Reinhold
................................................................................
 On 9/6/2020 4:45 PM, William E Frenette wrote:
  
 

I doubt if it would be the same LOL 
 
 
 On Sunday, September 6, 2020 Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
 
 Say Switchback,
  I have been in and out of town a lot lately and off list for some time.
  I wanted to see what was going on the PCT and was shocked to see only 2 
  posts in August.
  I remember a time when there would be 500-600 posts a month.
  Yes, things have really changed since Switchback & Reinhold roamed the 
  trails and the list,
  specially the women, really seemed to be interested in what hard core 
  mountain men had
  to say, appreciated our words of wisdom, enjoyed your hiking humor and 
  responded
  accordingly to keep the list interesting & entertaining and the 
  preferred source of advice
  and information about the PCT.
  Now with you gone, the list is dull & dead.
  
  THE? LIST? NEEDS? YOU? SWITCHBACK!!!
  COME? BACK? SWITCHBACK? &? RESURRECT? THE? LIST? TO? IT'S FORMER? GLORY!!!
  
  JMT Reinhold
  
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From pctl at oakapple.net  Mon Sep  7 18:39:12 2020
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:39:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] California national forests closed
Message-ID: <202009072339.087NdCax025756@server-f.oakapple.net>


https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r5/news-events/?cid=FSEPRD799162

Bad news for any southbound through hikers this year.
If there were any northbounders still going for it, they should be in
Washington by now.    The uncleared fallen trees across the PCT would 
certainly have discouraged me by now.

Currently pcta.org shows no fire closures in WA but two in OR.

For almost everybody though, 2020 will go down as the worst year...
in many years.

From pctl at oakapple.net  Fri Sep 11 19:53:00 2020
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:53:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Oregon fires
Message-ID: <202009120053.08C0r05Q023164@server-f.oakapple.net>


When I lived in Wilsonville 40+ years ago, 
I knew a backpack leader whose day job was as
a meterologist.     He told me that if ever there were 
a strong Chinook in a dry fall, it would be unstoppable.

And everybody talked about the Columbus Day Storm of 1962.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day_Storm_of_1962

At least it was a typhoon and the damage was from rain instead of fire.

And now they've come together - fire and wind - all over the state.     
A bunch of lightning
fires from August were stable until a major dry windstorm on September 8 fanned
them.

>From what I can see, much of the PCT is east of the fires, but the area
of Mt Jefferson - Jefferson Park - Ollalie Lake has been consumed by
the Lionshead fire.    Probably the entire trail is very smoky now, even
if unburned.

Looks like the Middle Fork Feather and that amazing bridge are gone.

As has been reported, dozens of JMT hikers were stranded at VVR for several
days until they could be evacuated by helicopter.    

I hope that any PCT long distance hikers still persevering have gotten the
message and persevered to safety in time.     2020 will most be remembered as 
the year most of us would most like to forget.

From mikeflan at att.net  Sat Sep 12 14:03:55 2020
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 14:03:55 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Oregon fires
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1599930000.70265.pct-l@backcountry.net>
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Middle fork feather river bridge:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=39.80834,+-121.04530+%28Coordinates%29&iwloc=A&hl=en


https://duckduckgo.com/?q=middle+fork+feather+river+bridge&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Ftravelbydesine.com%2Fwp1%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F08%2FBridge-Over-Feather-River-0720161909_HDR.jpg


Mike


On 9/12/20 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> Looks like the Middle Fork Feather and that amazing bridge are gone.


From imscotty at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 17:25:23 2020
From: imscotty at aol.com (imscotty at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 22:25:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Oregon fires
In-Reply-To: <7cb6cd18-e432-2a17-e20e-8b23f99b230e@att.net>
References: <mailman.1.1599930000.70265.pct-l@backcountry.net>
 <7cb6cd18-e432-2a17-e20e-8b23f99b230e@att.net>
Message-ID: <127509299.1615597.1599949523976@mail.yahoo.com>

Is it confirmed that the bridge burned? ?Going to be a tough crossing without it.
Scott


Middle fork feather river bridge:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=39.80834,+-121.04530+%28Coordinates%29&iwloc=A&hl=en




From pctl at oakapple.net  Sat Sep 12 17:42:15 2020
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:42:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Oregon fires
Message-ID: <202009122242.08CMgFnu002123@server-f.oakapple.net>

The Middle Fork canyon where the PCT crosses was in the middle of the
Bear fire -

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/6997/

The trail crossing is just east, upcanyon from Mt Ararat and Franklin 
Canyon, which are labeled on the fire map.

Looks like lots of trees were positioned to fall downhill to it.

https://pcnst.oakapple.net/photo/cc-pct/m/2001-10-21-m07

It's hard to imagine any wooden parts surviving, but maybe the structural
steel is still useable.     Winter rains will be a problem, because the
trail structure just south of the bridge was through some loose sketchy
material.


From timpnye at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 20:14:42 2020
From: timpnye at gmail.com (Timothy Nye)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 18:14:42 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Oregon fires
In-Reply-To: <202009122242.08CMgFnu002123@server-f.oakapple.net>
References: <202009122242.08CMgFnu002123@server-f.oakapple.net>
Message-ID: <DBF33BD5-6DCF-4BBF-B34E-EFEC4FC0E897@gmail.com>

I was disappointed when the old bridge was replaced with the current one. Give me a good suspension bridge every time.

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 3:42 PM, David Hough reading PCT-L <pctl at oakapple.net> wrote:
> 
> The Middle Fork canyon where the PCT crosses was in the middle of the
> Bear fire -
> 
> https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/6997/
> 
> The trail crossing is just east, upcanyon from Mt Ararat and Franklin 
> Canyon, which are labeled on the fire map.
> 
> Looks like lots of trees were positioned to fall downhill to it.
> 
> https://pcnst.oakapple.net/photo/cc-pct/m/2001-10-21-m07
> 
> It's hard to imagine any wooden parts surviving, but maybe the structural
> steel is still useable.     Winter rains will be a problem, because the
> trail structure just south of the bridge was through some loose sketchy
> material.
> 
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