From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Fri May 8 10:32:17 2020 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 15:32:17 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Worth watching Message-ID: Until we can all get back on the trails without harming others, I?ve been looking at older UTube videos. UTube has never been interesting to me and it will at some point return to that category. I?m the meantime, I suggest Hurlgoat?s 2017 southbound hike. I?m only at the 5th day so I could change my mind. But, so far his filming skills are at a high level. His commentary seems genuine and heart felt Everyone please be safe With 50 people dying every day in LA county they are opening up. Stay alive so we can meet again on some trail. Marmot Sent from my iPhone From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com Fri May 8 22:26:07 2020 From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW) Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 20:26:07 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] I reject the police state / I will not comply Message-ID: I also reject virtue signaling I also reject guilt shaming Own your own space! I'm not accepting responsibility for your grandmother's death. Keep your grandmother inside and away from me. Why is your grandmother at the gas station at Cajon Pass? 80% - 85% of all COVID19 deaths are 65 years old or older and have comorbidity factors. Obesity, being morbidly obese-100lbs, or more, COPD, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, inactive, shut ins, chronic smokers, those with asthma, etc. Governors in deep blue- Democrat held states, are the most facist and tyrannical tin pot dictators, rabidly hungry, and off the hook, with their newly found powers, oppressing the citizens, driving them into submission, using their executive emergency powers to get the citizens under the State's control. NYET! No cattle cars, headed to the gulags, for me, and my own! Hike on! Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net Sat May 9 08:15:54 2020 From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 13:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] I reject the police state / I will not comply References: <865467287.94227.1589030154338.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <865467287.94227.1589030154338@mail.yahoo.com> Right on Paint-Ground Pounder Bill On Friday, May 8, 2020 Paint YW wrote: I also reject virtue signaling I also reject guilt shaming Own your own space! I'm not accepting responsibility for your grandmother's death. Keep your grandmother inside and away from me. Why is your grandmother at the gas station at Cajon Pass? 80% - 85% of all COVID19 deaths are 65 years old or older and have comorbidity factors. Obesity, being morbidly obese-100lbs, or more, COPD, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, inactive, shut ins, chronic smokers, those with asthma, etc. Governors in deep blue- Democrat held states, are the most facist and tyrannical tin pot dictators, rabidly hungry, and off the hook, with their newly found powers, oppressing the citizens, driving them into submission, using their executive emergency powers to get the citizens under the State's control. NYET! No cattle cars, headed to the gulags, for me, and my own! Hike on! Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Sat May 9 09:03:19 2020 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 14:03:19 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Doctor Shares The Biggest Lie About COVID-19 | UK Data Message-ID: https://youtu.be/0ts8X3HDtPE This is not political unless you distort it to be. Democratic (not Democrat, an issue of grammar)and Republican Governors were not trying to send you to a gulag. They are/were asking you to stay in your comfy homes. Why does this have to tip over into crazy, easily disprovable, conspiracy theories? It feels awful to have the trails close and not be able to hike. That,each year, can be a part of a long hike. Fires,Flood,Injuries all can stop or alter a hike. That becomes a part of what you learn about yourself. How you handle that disappointment is important. If you come back next year or later this year it will just add to what you learned. A little calmness in stressful times is useful. Marmot Sent from my iPhone From jplynch at crosslink.net Sat May 9 09:05:20 2020 From: jplynch at crosslink.net (jplynch at crosslink.net) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 10:05:20 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Doctor Shares The Biggest Lie About COVID-19 | UK Data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30CE902D976D4B5E87F8289C1EE34187@LAPTOPHGAV43K9> Good going Marmot Marmot! ________________________________ Jim Lynch, member of the Friends of the Dahlgren Railroad Heritage Trail: A proposed addition to Caledon State Park __________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: marmot marmot Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:03 AM To: PCT Subject: [pct-l] Doctor Shares The Biggest Lie About COVID-19 | UK Data https://youtu.be/0ts8X3HDtPE This is not political unless you distort it to be. Democratic (not Democrat, an issue of grammar)and Republican Governors were not trying to send you to a gulag. They are/were asking you to stay in your comfy homes. Why does this have to tip over into crazy, easily disprovable, conspiracy theories? It feels awful to have the trails close and not be able to hike. That,each year, can be a part of a long hike. Fires,Flood,Injuries all can stop or alter a hike. That becomes a part of what you learn about yourself. How you handle that disappointment is important. If you come back next year or later this year it will just add to what you learned. A little calmness in stressful times is useful. Marmot Sent from my iPhone -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jdrewsmith at gmail.com Sat May 9 11:25:11 2020 From: jdrewsmith at gmail.com (Drew Smith) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 10:25:11 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] I reject the police state / I will not comply In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You just described a majority of the US population (although you left out diabetics). Are their lives less valuable than yours? Your philosophy seems to be that others must completely curtail their freedom of movement (or risk death) so that you can pursue you leisure activities unimpaired. Do you also crave the freedom to drive in the left hand lane (if others don?t like it they can just get off the road!) or to smoke in public places (if those liberals don?t want cancer they can just stay home!). Like it or not, infectious diseases are a communal problem and have to be dealt with by communal measures. That means giving up some measure of freedom now, so that all can enjoy freedom later. Particularly freedom from the fear of death, which is the most fundamental freedom of all. Take a deep breath, step back and try to see the big picture. Best, Drew Walking to the light On May 8, 2020, 9:26 PM -0600, Paint YW , wrote: > Obesity, being morbidly obese-100lbs, > or more, COPD, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, inactive, shut ins, > chronic smokers, those with asthma, etc. > > From mgypsy97 at aol.com Sat May 9 11:35:30 2020 From: mgypsy97 at aol.com (h) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 16:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] I reject the police state / I will not comply In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1973160381.315059.1589042130372@mail.yahoo.com> You said it perfectly, Drew!? Thank you. Gypsy -----Original Message----- From: Drew Smith To: pct-l at backcountry.net Sent: Sat, May 9, 2020 9:25 am Subject: Re: [pct-l] I reject the police state / I will not comply You just described a majority of the US population (although you left out diabetics). Are their lives less valuable than yours? Your philosophy seems to be that others must completely curtail their freedom of movement (or risk death) so that you can pursue you leisure activities unimpaired. Do you also crave the freedom to drive in the left hand lane (if others don?t like it they can just get off the road!) or to smoke in public places (if those liberals don?t want cancer they can just stay home!). Like it or not, infectious diseases are a communal problem and have to be dealt with by communal measures. That means giving up some measure of freedom now, so that all can enjoy freedom later. Particularly freedom from the fear of death, which is the most fundamental freedom of all. Take a deep breath, step back and try to see the big picture. Best, Drew Walking to the light On May 8, 2020, 9:26 PM -0600, Paint YW , wrote: > Obesity, being morbidly obese-100lbs, > or more, COPD, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, inactive, shut ins, > chronic smokers, those with asthma, etc. > > _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pastormaryd at msn.com Sat May 9 12:51:50 2020 From: pastormaryd at msn.com (MARY E DAVISON) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 17:51:50 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Subject: Older Hikers and COVID restrictions Message-ID: I don't recall how to send a chat response, after all, I'm kinda old. However I am a Triple Crown hiker and at 78 I am still doing long distance hiking, or was, until COVID 19, and hope to still continue. Yes, I am a Grandma (of 10) and yes, I am paying attention to distancing from others. Last time I noticed there were quite a few hikers past the age of 60 who regularly do long trails, including the PCT. And, last I noticed, most hiker folks who have retired qualify as having a comorbidity such as high blood pressure, COPD and even Diabetes. Not all long distance hikers are young. And those who are young will be old someday even if they can't imagine it now. They will probably still like to hike, if able. And, although not as many who are young and healthy die of COVID, some do. Much is not known yet about this virus. Comments that seem to suggest all old people, those over 65, should just isolate themselves and be ignored are consigning hikers they know to a new way of being hiker trashed separate from other hikers. Yet what all do effects all others. Think about it. Mary E Davison (Medicare Pastor) Maybe the host can figure out how to post this or send me instructions. From gary at hbfun.org Sat May 9 12:56:52 2020 From: gary at hbfun.org (gary at hbfun.org) Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 13:56:52 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] I reject the police state / I will not comply Message-ID: <60206.1589047012@hbfun.org> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; WTF?WTF? This is parody, right? Gary On Fri 8/05/20 11:26 PM , Paint YW paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com sent: I also reject virtue signaling I also reject guilt shaming Own your own space! I'm not accepting responsibility for your grandmother's death. Keep your grandmother inside and away from me. Why is your grandmother at the gas station at Cajon Pass? 80% - 85% of all COVID19 deaths are 65 years old or older and have comorbidity factors. Obesity, being morbidly obese-100lbs, or more, COPD, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, inactive, shut ins, chronic smokers, those with asthma, etc. Governors in deep blue- Democrat held states, are the most facist and tyrannical tin pot dictators, rabidly hungry, and off the hook, with their newly found powers, oppressing the citizens, driving them into submission, using their executive emergency powers to get the citizens under the State's control. NYET! No cattle cars, headed to the gulags, for me, and my own! Hike on! From sesexton at gci.net Sat May 9 13:03:43 2020 From: sesexton at gci.net (Shaun Sexton) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 10:03:43 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Subject: Older Hikers and COVID restrictions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007401d6262c$2e4c30d0$8ae49270$@gci.net> Three cheers, Mary. Hike on!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of MARY E DAVISON Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2020 9:52 AM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Subject: Older Hikers and COVID restrictions I don't recall how to send a chat response, after all, I'm kinda old. However I am a Triple Crown hiker and at 78 I am still doing long distance hiking, or was, until COVID 19, and hope to still continue. Yes, I am a Grandma (of 10) and yes, I am paying attention to distancing from others. Last time I noticed there were quite a few hikers past the age of 60 who regularly do long trails, including the PCT. And, last I noticed, most hiker folks who have retired qualify as having a comorbidity such as high blood pressure, COPD and even Diabetes. Not all long distance hikers are young. And those who are young will be old someday even if they can't imagine it now. They will probably still like to hike, if able. And, although not as many who are young and healthy die of COVID, some do. Much is not known yet about this virus. Comments that seem to suggest all old people, those over 65, should just isolate themselves and be ignored are consigning hikers they know to a new way of being hiker trashed separate from other hikers. Yet what all do effects all others. Think about it. Mary E Davison (Medicare Pastor) Maybe the host can figure out how to post this or send me instructions. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Sat May 9 14:10:12 2020 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 19:10:12 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] =?utf-8?b?T2ggaXTigJlzIGEgam9rZT8=?= Message-ID: Maybe that first email was a joke? Didn?t occur to me. Because, I just don?t have that sort of humor detector. Well,I?m sorry if I didn?t get it. I certainly hope that was the intention even if the ?joke? fell flat. What Medicare Pastor said what I have observed also. On long trails, the bulk of the hikers fit into 2 categories, the twenty somethings and the over 60?s.? And lately the over 70s. Lots of hikers went home out of respect for what the towns and SARS people and the ATC,PCTA and CDTA asked us to do. Marmot Sent from my iPhone From uriahpariah at yahoo.com Sat May 9 15:17:59 2020 From: uriahpariah at yahoo.com (Uriah P) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 20:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] I reject the police state / I will not comply In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1691409907.193488.1589055479187@mail.yahoo.com> This might just be the dumbest thing I?ve read on this list in years. Explain, if you are capable, why the red state of Florida has the strictest lockdown rules that remain in place. Viruses don?t give a damn how you vote. On Friday, May 8, 2020, Paint YW wrote: Governors in deep blue- Democrat held states, are the most facist andtyrannical tin pot dictators, rabidly hungry, and off the hook, with their newly found powers, oppressing the citizens, driving them into submission, using their executive emergency powers to get the citizens under the State's control. NYET! No cattle cars, headed to the gulags, for me, and my own! Hike on! From sesexton at gci.net Sat May 9 16:50:46 2020 From: sesexton at gci.net (Shaun Sexton) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 13:50:46 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] I reject the police state / I will not comply In-Reply-To: <1691409907.193488.1589055479187@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1691409907.193488.1589055479187@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301d6264b$e654d410$b2fe7c30$@gci.net> I am increasingly disappointed about this thread. I appreciate this forum in as much as it has been a sometimes helpful source of hiking information. Not sure it warrants further subscription if this thread continues. There are many alternatives for information about hiking. There are also many alternatives for political opinion sharing. Recommend the latter for anyone wishing to express their political viewpoints. -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Uriah P Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2020 12:18 PM To: PCT Subject: Re: [pct-l] I reject the police state / I will not comply This might just be the dumbest thing I?ve read on this list in years. Explain, if you are capable, why the red state of Florida has the strictest lockdown rules that remain in place. Viruses don?t give a damn how you vote. On Friday, May 8, 2020, Paint YW wrote: Governors in deep blue- Democrat held states, are the most facist andtyrannical tin pot dictators, rabidly hungry, and off the hook, with their newly found powers, oppressing the citizens, driving them into submission, using their executive emergency powers to get the citizens under the State's control. NYET! No cattle cars, headed to the gulags, for me, and my own! Hike on! _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From anngerckens at gmail.com Sun May 10 00:15:57 2020 From: anngerckens at gmail.com (Ann Gerckens) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 01:15:57 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Worth watching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406FFB67-B48D-4380-9A0F-DEC55756A094@gmail.com> Thanks Marmot Ann Gerckens, aka SPLAT! Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2020, at 11:32 AM, marmot marmot wrote: > > ?Until we can all get back on the trails without harming others, I?ve been looking at older UTube videos. UTube has never been interesting to me and it will at some point return to that category. I?m the meantime, I suggest Hurlgoat?s 2017 southbound hike. I?m only at the 5th day so I could change my mind. But, so far his filming skills are at a high level. His commentary seems genuine and heart felt > Everyone please be safe > With 50 people dying every day in LA county they are opening up. Stay alive so we can meet again on some trail. > Marmot > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From walkinglarry at gmail.com Mon May 11 10:28:54 2020 From: walkinglarry at gmail.com (Larry Hillberg) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 08:28:54 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Covid 19 precautions Message-ID: Reading the post about hiking the PCT regardless of Covid 19 was a disappointment. Some among us just don't get it. The issue is the same as that for wearing masks. I'm 78 today, fit and able. I still work full time in an important role. My 60th birthday was on Fuller Ridge during a thru hike, and the only one I remember in any detail. But at the same time, I'm in the gunsights of this disease: aged, male, A+ blood type, and a history of (corrected) irregular heartbeat. I respect this invisible and dangerous tornado, and I wish everybody did. Yes, I wear a mask when among others. I wear it not for me, but for all of us. From sesexton at gci.net Mon May 11 10:32:18 2020 From: sesexton at gci.net (Shaun Sexton) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 07:32:18 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Covid 19 precautions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CD6AC4A-B7D3-4CAA-9101-C31B20F2DF35@gci.net> Three ?atta boys?! Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2020, at 7:29 AM, Larry Hillberg wrote: > > ?Reading the post about hiking the PCT regardless of Covid 19 was a > disappointment. Some among us just don't get it. The issue is the same as > that for wearing masks. > > I'm 78 today, fit and able. I still work full time in an important role. > My 60th birthday was on Fuller Ridge during a thru hike, and the only one I > remember in any detail. But at the same time, I'm in the gunsights of this > disease: aged, male, A+ blood type, and a history of (corrected) irregular > heartbeat. I respect this invisible and dangerous tornado, and I wish > everybody did. > > Yes, I wear a mask when among others. I wear it not for me, but for all of > us. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pctl at marcusschwartz.com Mon May 11 21:21:42 2020 From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:21:42 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Age, demographics, and engineering on the PCT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On 5/9/20 12:10 PM, marmot marmot wrote: >> What Medicare Pastor said what I have observed also. On long trails, the bulk of the hikers fit into 2 categories, the twenty somethings and the over 60?s.? >> And lately the over 70s. On my 2016 thru-hike, I thought thru-hikers usually fit into one of 4 groups. In order from youngest to oldest: 1. People taking a year or two off after graduation. Usually early 20s, but sometimes between high school and college. 2. People in their 20s and early 30s who only work seasonally, so they can do long trails when the seasons are right. I.e. people who have structured their lives around thru-hiking. The smallest group, and usually the fastest hikers. 3. People in their 30s and 40s who just had a life change, e.g. got laid off, divorced, or became empty-nesters. 4. People who are retired, and find long trails to be an excellent way to spend their time. Mostly over 60, but with the occasional early retiree. Aside from age, I've noticed a few groups are wildly over- or under-represented among PCT thru-hikers, and for some of them I don't have a good idea why: - Far more of them are/were engineers than you'd expect. Many were computer engineers of some sort, but there were also engineers of other disciplines (e.g. in the Southern California section I hiked with a dairy scientist, a nuclear waste storage container designer, and an Antarctic mechanical engineer). I can't quite fathom why, perhaps there's an engineering-like appeal in choosing what you carry and how you use your equipment. For example, paying attention to weight numbers, finding ways to use different pieces of equipment together, measuring how it affects your pace, etc. - There were few if any black thru-hikers. This doesn't reflect what I've seen in backpacking outside of thru-hikes. I have heard that random racial violence can be a real risk in some parts of Oregon that the PCT goes through. So hitchhiking to a resupply, for instance, could be dangerous perhaps? I have no idea if that rumor is really true though. - Of the International thru-hikers, far more were South Korean than one would expect based on non-thru-hiking tourism in the US. Is there a lot of long-distance hiking in South Korea? - About a third of thru-hikers were also marathon runners. This one is probably not so confusing, since it's another form of going a long way on your feet. Though come to think of it, marathon runners also seem to turn out to be engineers fairly often -- Alan Turing was a famously good distance runner, for instance. Maybe there's some connection between endurance exercise and engineering, but I just haven't figured it out. -=Town Food From mikeflan at att.net Tue May 12 15:45:55 2020 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:45:55 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] Age, demographics, and engineering on the PCT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38eece18-0b17-babc-aed1-9a547403ec20@att.net> Interesting analysis. I didn't know about the Engineer prevalence. Part of it is Engineers make good money, but often do work that can be interrupted (compared to a Dr or lawyer). I didn't know about South Koreans either. That really surprises me.? Europeans often do Orienteering, so they are used to being out in the woods and are fairly fit. Mike Engineer On 5/12/20 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: >> On my 2016 thru-hike, I thought thru-hikers usually fit into one of 4 >> groups. In order from youngest to oldest: >> >> 1. People taking a year or two off after graduation. Usually early 20s, >> but sometimes between high school and college. >> >> 2. People in their 20s and early 30s who only work seasonally, so they >> can do long trails when the seasons are right. I.e. people who have >> structured their lives around thru-hiking. The smallest group, and >> usually the fastest hikers. >> >> 3. People in their 30s and 40s who just had a life change, e.g. got laid >> off, divorced, or became empty-nesters. >> >> 4. People who are retired, and find long trails to be an excellent way >> to spend their time. Mostly over 60, but with the occasional early retiree. >> >> Aside from age, I've noticed a few groups are wildly over- or >> under-represented among PCT thru-hikers, and for some of them I don't >> have a good idea why: >> >> - Far more of them are/were engineers than you'd expect. Many were >> computer engineers of some sort, but there were also engineers of other >> disciplines (e.g. in the Southern California section I hiked with a >> dairy scientist, a nuclear waste storage container designer, and an >> Antarctic mechanical engineer). I can't quite fathom why, perhaps >> there's an engineering-like appeal in choosing what you carry and how >> you use your equipment. For example, paying attention to weight >> numbers, finding ways to use different pieces of equipment together, >> measuring how it affects your pace, etc. >> >> - There were few if any black thru-hikers. This doesn't reflect what >> I've seen in backpacking outside of thru-hikes. I have heard that >> random racial violence can be a real risk in some parts of Oregon that >> the PCT goes through. So hitchhiking to a resupply, for instance, could >> be dangerous perhaps? I have no idea if that rumor is really true though. >> >> - Of the International thru-hikers, far more were South Korean than one >> would expect based on non-thru-hiking tourism in the US. Is there a lot >> of long-distance hiking in South Korea? >> >> - About a third of thru-hikers were also marathon runners. This one is >> probably not so confusing, since it's another form of going a long way >> on your feet. Though come to think of it, marathon runners also seem to >> turn out to be engineers fairly often -- Alan Turing was a famously good >> distance runner, for instance. Maybe there's some connection between >> endurance exercise and engineering, but I just haven't figured it out. >> >> -=Town Food From nobohiker at gmail.com Tue May 12 18:27:59 2020 From: nobohiker at gmail.com (Nobohiker) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:27:59 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Worth watching In-Reply-To: <406FFB67-B48D-4380-9A0F-DEC55756A094@gmail.com> References: <406FFB67-B48D-4380-9A0F-DEC55756A094@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1911346A-36E0-43F9-98FB-6B31D3374A04@gmail.com> Yes, thanks Marmot, I think I bumped into him when I was section hiking the Sierras that year, will follow along as well ;-) On a separate note, I also searched ?PCT 2020? and was surprised that there are a lot of You-tubers hiking and posting this year.. Section Hiker Rick > On May 9, 2020, at 22:16, Ann Gerckens wrote: > > ?Thanks Marmot > > Ann Gerckens, aka SPLAT! Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 8, 2020, at 11:32 AM, marmot marmot wrote: >> >> ?Until we can all get back on the trails without harming others, I?ve been looking at older UTube videos. UTube has never been interesting to me and it will at some point return to that category. I?m the meantime, I suggest Hurlgoat?s 2017 southbound hike. I?m only at the 5th day so I could change my mind. But, so far his filming skills are at a high level. His commentary seems genuine and heart felt >> Everyone please be safe >> With 50 people dying every day in LA county they are opening up. Stay alive so we can meet again on some trail. >> Marmot >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From nobohiker at gmail.com Wed May 13 22:45:51 2020 From: nobohiker at gmail.com (Nobohiker) Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 20:45:51 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Tehachapi Trail Angel contact Message-ID: <0B7242EE-0FFF-4851-AC63-343A14454DFD@gmail.com> Hello Hikers, I am planning a section hike from Tehachapi, Mile 566 to Kennedy Meadows, Mile 702 and try to figure out how to get back to my car. I am happy to pay for gas and time. I hear there are Trail Angels in that area, does anyone have a name & email address? Thanks, Section Hiker Rick From rickrparker at icloud.com Thu May 14 12:41:57 2020 From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker) Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 12:41:57 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 130, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96F49915-26E6-4386-8219-17C9C8B45CDD@icloud.com> https://trailangellist.org/pacific-crest-trail/ You can even bus up and down 395 to and from Tehachapi. Consider the private Tehachapi airport for a spot in covered hangar that may be available. That is not unusual for the pilot community to offer that up. I am a pilot now in TX. Just google KTPS. Been there many times. Campground very near. > On May 14, 2020, at 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: > > ?Send Pct-L mailing list submissions to > pct-l at backcountry.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pct-l-request at backcountry.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pct-l-owner at backcountry.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pct-L digest..." > > > Please DELETE the copy of the complete digest from your reply. ONLY include stuff that applies to your reply > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Tehachapi Trail Angel contact (Nobohiker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 20:45:51 -0700 > From: Nobohiker > To: PCT > Subject: [pct-l] Tehachapi Trail Angel contact > Message-ID: <0B7242EE-0FFF-4851-AC63-343A14454DFD at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello Hikers, > > I am planning a section hike from Tehachapi, Mile 566 to Kennedy Meadows, Mile 702 and try to figure out how to get back to my car. I am happy to pay for gas and time. I hear there are Trail Angels in that area, does anyone have a name & email address? > > Thanks, > Section Hiker Rick > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > ------------------------------ > > End of Pct-L Digest, Vol 130, Issue 7 > ************************************* From JimLBanks at verizon.net Wed May 20 19:21:42 2020 From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (JimLBanks at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 17:21:42 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Postholer PCT Photo References: <000201d62f05$ce4f3e10$6aedba30$.ref@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000201d62f05$ce4f3e10$6aedba30$@verizon.net> The Postholer website used to have a huge collection of photos from the PCT with an index of place names. It doesn't seem to be on the website anymore. Does anyone know what happened to it or how to find it? I-Beam From reinholdmetzger at cox.net Fri May 22 18:53:30 2020 From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:53:30 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] TROUBLE IS BACK Message-ID: <1b5a3197-0843-88bd-285b-e27eb42ee71f@cox.net> Hi gang, Trouble is back in town!!! The girls are dancing in the streets, the guys are gnashing their teeth. Seems like the virus is causing disagreement and tension on the list. The list needs your "Switchback Trail Humor" to keep them at ease and relaxed. Give them your "Best Stuff" Switchback....it is not good for them to be be all tens & arguing with each other. Well, got to go now....the girls are calling me. JMT Reinhold From reinholdmetzger at cox.net Fri May 22 19:45:48 2020 From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 17:45:48 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Posts In-Reply-To: <1998333457.204754.1587854773891@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1998333457.204754.1587854773891@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: [pct-l] Posts *Ground Pounder, Your below message appears on the Pct-L as shown below on the Pct April 2020 Archives. If you don't get them you may want to check with "Brick" or you can view all monthly messages all the way back to July 2006 by going to ?? Pct-L Archives. That is how I read the Pct L messages. JMT Reinhold ....................................................................................................................................................... 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If you don't get them you may want to check with "Brick" or you can view all monthly messages all the way back to July 2006 by going to ?? Pct-L Archives. That is how I read the Pct L messages. JMT Reinhold ....................................................................................................................................................... Ground Pounder? wrote: William E Frenette*groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net /Sat Apr 25 17:46:13 CDT 2020/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does anyone see my posts because I don't and I used to. Ground Pounder Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From reinholdmetzger at cox.net Sun May 24 08:06:50 2020 From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger) Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 06:06:50 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Backpacking in combat boots....before the UL Revolution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b2de221-f5d4-c7d5-b100-ff0f83022497@cox.net> Switchback, Ground Pounder, Cruising through old Pct-L Archives I came across the below post and respond as follows: Hi gang, Yes, backpacking has certainly changed since the UL Revolution. Hauling 50-60 lb packs and wearing "waffle stomper boots" was the norm in those pre-UL Revolution days. I remember when I first hiked the JMT with the Scouts in 1996 hauling a 75 lb pack starting at Yosemite and a 85 lb pack after resupplying at Vermilion. I remember when I first hiked Mt.Whitney with my wife Karen in 1968 or 1969 with me hauling a monster pack and wearing combat boots. BTW....you ain't "Hard-Core" until you hiked Whitney in combat boots. I was a bad a$$ recently discharged Marine Corps "Grunt" used to hauling heavy packs and treating my women right and it went against my grain to burden my lovely recent bride with a pack. So, everything went in a "Marine Grunt" pack and onto my back and with Karen skip hopping along and me grunting and stomping along in combat boots all the way.....that may give you guys a clue why they call the Marine Infantry the "GRUNTS? &? GROUND POUNDERS" BTW....I also had to carry "Schatzy", our miniture Dachshund, most of the way because off her short leggs, after a few miles, the only thing not covered with dust were her black eyes and nose. But with Karen cooooing into my ear,..."Reinhold you are my hero"....made it all worth it because that is all I ever wanted to be......."Karen's Hero". Of course I also was "Schatzy's Hero". BTW...it seems that hairy leggs in combat boots gets the girl's "Romance Motor" running with all the girls "coooing and woooing" when they saw me coming. Karen did not like that so I gave up hiking in combat boots. Say guys, I understand now-a-days you guys make your women carry their own packs. Yes, things have really changed from the days when Switchback & Reinhold romed the trails. Yes, there was a time when Saber Tooth Tigers roamed the wilderness, the bones of hikers littered the trails and only "Hard-Core Mountain Men" dared to roam the wilderness. JMT Reinhold Karens Hero ......................................................................................................................... > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:15 PM................................................. >? ? Hikers are sure getting soft about carrying extra ounces these >? ? days. During the 50's and 60's, long before I discovered horses, I >? ? backpacked about 2500 Sierra miles, sometimes carrying as much as >? ? 60 pounds. In those earlier times Sierra hikers had to be stronger >? ? and braver to be able to fight off the Saber Toothed Tigers and >? ? Short-Faced Bears that roamed the wilderness. And I hadn't yet >? ? learned about bear charms.? Reinhold and Switchback know about >? ? that, having survived thier epic adventures of the 60's. Then with >? ? the 70's there came a guy named Eric Ryback - who carried as much >? ? as 70 pounds and did'nt resupply very often. From reinholdmetzger at cox.net Mon May 25 03:31:25 2020 From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 01:31:25 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] JUST KIDS....Taking Chance In-Reply-To: <2eabb0ca-ec25-bd5c-1100-4f5fdd1e4ebf@cox.net> References: <2eabb0ca-ec25-bd5c-1100-4f5fdd1e4ebf@cox.net> Message-ID: <1ced0f43-4812-3606-fbfd-011b7f7952bb@cox.net> To my Hiking Buddies, those who served and those who know the "PAIN". Like always, on Memorial Day, I was watching the movie "Taking Chance" and it took me back to a time very long ago. If? "Memorial Day"? means anything to you, you owe it to yourself to watch the movie "Taking Chance". It will rip your heart out, make you feel all mushy inside and make you appreciate and respect the honor bestowed upon our fallen heroes on Memorial Day. It is by far the movie that best reflects what Memorial Day stands for. I don't know what it is about Memorial Day that makes me feel this way and makes me say the things I am about to say....... / We were? "just kids",? in the summer of 1965, when we landed in Vietnam. //"Just kids", most of us 18-19-20 years old, just barely out of High//School, not yet old enough to drink but old enough to die for our //country. / /We never could quite understand that....if you are old enough to die //for your country you should be old enough to drink. / /With one year of advanced infantry training including jungle, desert, //cold weather, hand to hand combat and raider training we were "Gung-Ho//" Marines, tough enough to chew nails...I mean we were Captain //Tolleson's Echo 2/7, the cream of the crop of the Marine Corps' //Raider Battalion and ready to kick a$$. // We were "just kids", eager to be Marines, eager to serve during a time //of war, eager to be heroes. // That naive fantasy thinking can change mighty quick when the landing // crafts hit the beach and bullets start flying. //There is no glory in war, only misery......it is your worst nightmare. // Our first casualty was by friendly fire....the tragic part was that //the bullet that caused our first casualty was fired by the casualties //best friend. //In combat, sometimes reflex decisions have to be made in a split second and //sometimes those decisions turn out not to be the right ones. //In my mind there is no greater honor than serving your country during //a time of war and no greater sacrifice than a soldier paying the //ultimate price while serving his country during a time of war. //Take Pat Tillman for instance....Pat was a professional football //player who had fortune and fame yet walked away from a 3.6 million //dollar contract to serve his country and paid the ultimate //price...ironically, also by friendly fire. //But it does not matter, friendly fire, enemy fire, the results are //always the same and Memorial Day is to honor all of our fallen heroes,//for they served their country and paid the ultimate price. // If it were not for men like that, TRUMP might be our Prime Minister or //our national language might be German and Memorial Day is to remind us //of that and pay our respect to these fallen heroes who sacrificed //their lives so that we can enjoy what we have today. //We did not consider ourselves to be "just kids",...but now that I am older //and wiser I realize, we WERE "just kids". //Nothing has really changed and many of our troops serving now in Iraq and / /Afghanistan//are still "just kids"....not yet //old enough to drink, //but old enough / /to die for their country. / // /Think about that for a moment, on Memorial Day, and what that day //stands for. / /Reinhold Metzger //Sgt. USMC 1964-68 //Gunner, Echo Co., 2nd Battalion, 7th Marines / /http://imgur.com/aJGLZTh / From nobohiker at gmail.com Tue May 26 18:49:59 2020 From: nobohiker at gmail.com (Nobohiker) Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 16:49:59 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Sonora Pass conditions Message-ID: Hi pct hikers, Has anyone been near Sonora pass recently? I am planning on a section hike down to Wilma Lake (29 Miles south) and wonder how much snow there is remaining.. Thanks, Section Hiker Rick From ndreon at yahoo.com Tue May 26 21:56:22 2020 From: ndreon at yahoo.com (Nathan Dreon) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 02:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Food In-Reply-To: <1693701468.317888.1587852106096@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1685607313.301387.1587849521111.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1685607313.301387.1587849521111@mail.yahoo.com> <1693701468.317888.1587852106096@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <888949708.238762.1590548182948@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you to everyone who helped me with my transportation question earlier. ?With your?help?I think I can make it to the trail. ?Once I get there I?m going to have to eat, so I?m looking at food choices. ?I plan to go stoveless, I?m not strong and would rather carry water than fuel. I?found something in the local store that doesn?t seem too bad. ?Knorr Rice Medley. ?It is Parboiled rice and pasta with traces of vegetables and flavorings. ?I soaked it in water for a few hours and it was soft enough to eat and I didn?t gag on it. ?My standards are low and it met?them. My question is, can humans digest this stuff if it isn?t cooked? From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Tue May 26 22:35:44 2020 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 03:35:44 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Food In-Reply-To: <888949708.238762.1590548182948@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1685607313.301387.1587849521111.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1685607313.301387.1587849521111@mail.yahoo.com> <1693701468.317888.1587852106096@mail.yahoo.com>, <888949708.238762.1590548182948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Look for stuff that is precooked and just needs hot water. There are many bulk soups that the directions say add hot water, stir and let sit for 5 minutes. Those will also mix up in cold water. If the ingredients are not precooked and instant then you are dealing with parcooked or raw food. Not Your best choice. Check out Nile Spice or Casbah brands. They make a curry lentil soup, pea soup and corn chowder. All precooked not raw. There is no cooking required. There?s also instant hummus, black beans, and pinto beans.Instant chili is nice Tabouli is another good idea. Mix with cold water add chopped up dried tomatoes. Let sit for 10-15 minutes Put hummus,blk and pinto beans on crispy precooked taco shells(Bearitos,or grocery store brands)Add hot sauce ,depending on where you are on the trail you can also pick and add miner?s lettuce or lambs quarters Yummmy. If you eat meat or fish someone else will have suggestions for you. I eat soy or mushroom jerky. *Dried organic fruit(cherries,mango,apricots,figs,dates)macadamia nuts , pecans. *Cashew butter,Almond butter. *Tahini mixed with carob, vanilla ,stevia?my version of Nutella Any of the freeze dried backpacking meals that require hot water and no actual cooking will mix up with cold water. You just need to let them sit longer. I used to add water to my lidded container with curry lentil soup and by the time my tent was set up and I was organized for the evening my food was ready to eat. From 700 miles into my first PCT hike and all of the CDT I had no stove. I?ve gone back to cooking because I found a simple light stove. But still most of my food can be eaten either way. Have a great hike Marmot Sent from my iPhone > On May 26, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Nathan Dreon wrote: > > ?Thank you to everyone who helped me with my transportation question earlier. With your help I think I can make it to the trail. Once I get there I?m going to have to eat, so I?m looking at food choices. I plan to go stoveless, I?m not strong and would rather carry water than fuel. > I found something in the local store that doesn?t seem too bad. Knorr Rice Medley. It is Parboiled rice and pasta with traces of vegetables and flavorings. I soaked it in water for a few hours and it was soft enough to eat and I didn?t gag on it. My standards are low and it met them. > My question is, can humans digest this stuff if it isn?t cooked? > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From wildvagabond at yahoo.com Wed May 27 15:23:30 2020 From: wildvagabond at yahoo.com (wildvagabond) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:23:30 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Food Message-ID: Sir Marmot did a superb job of summarizing no-cook food choices.?I'll add an obvious additional idea:? cook your favorite meals, seasoned just the way you like them, then dehydrate them, being mindful of portion size.? Some foods, like chicken, don't rehydrate well unless pressure cooked (or use canned chicken, which has been pressure cooked; or use TVP - textured vegetable protein).? Rehydration will vary depending on food chunk size and what it is,? and you'll figure out this quickly.? Combine with other methods, add lots of variety, and you'll be eating well.? Wild Vagabond.?Wherever you go there you are, Rob? From pctl at marcusschwartz.com Wed May 27 21:34:33 2020 From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 19:34:33 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Food In-Reply-To: <888949708.238762.1590548182948@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1685607313.301387.1587849521111.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1685607313.301387.1587849521111@mail.yahoo.com> <1693701468.317888.1587852106096@mail.yahoo.com> <888949708.238762.1590548182948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd recommend against parboiled rice for a different reason than digestion: Unless you plan to sit around in camp for hours before you can eat, you have to carry that water with you. So it's extra weight on your back that you would not otherwise need. If you can boil water, you can pick up the water for your rice at camp, so you don't need to carry it anywhere. There are lots of stoves that are a good bit lighter than one meal's worth of food-rehydration water. So you could carry a stove, save some weight, and have the added benefit of being able to rehydrate in minutes rather than hours (not to mention the enjoyment of hot food). Or, you could just go with no-stove foods that don't need rehydration. You don't need dehydrated food to get good calories per gram. For part of my 2016 thru-hike, I used a less-than-one-ounce stove (the "BRS Titanium" one that Amazon sells for about $15-20), and it was reliable and cooked reasonably quickly. When I tired of cooking, I sent the stove home, and did not eat any foods that required rehydration. I enjoyed and would recommend both of these strategies. My diet was a bit more limited with no stove, but I saved time at mealtimes, and cut some pack weight (no stove also meant no fuel and no cookpot). Cheese, tortillas, and foil mayonnaise packets were one of my favorite ways to get lots of calories with low pack weight and no cooking. Peanut butter as well. Aside from that, I substituted nut-heavy trail mix for some dinners, and had gas-station-style shelf-stable baked goods for many breakfasts. Nuts and cheese in general tend to score high on the calories-per-gram scale, while still feeling something like "real food" (as opposed to, say, candy). Plus, they're available at almost every resupply point. This was maybe not an extremely balanced and nutritious diet, but it was close enough for someone getting a lot of exercise to not feel unhealthy. Plus, whenever I got into town, I'd make it a point to get lots of the things I couldn't have on-trail, like salad, fish, fruit, etc. Most resupplies are not all that far apart, so I was never without fresh food for all that long. Note also that I mostly resupplied in trail towns, and didn't ship many resupplies, so my choices had to be available at small convenience stores. This obviously limited my menu, but I found the flexibility to be well-worth it. I can't reliably predict a month in advance how much I'll want to eat (e.g. I eat more when I'm doing long days on steep trails), or predict what I'll want to eat (e.g. when exactly will I tire of cheese-tortilla-mayonnaise wraps for lunch?). Lots of people I talked to tried to plan/mail their meals long in advance, and were sick to death of their choices (or were too hungry, or carried too much food) -- all because they had tried to guess too far ahead of time what they wanted to eat. Of course, this depends on the person, the length of the trip, and whether they've had the time to "dial in" a long-term hiking diet via practice. For me, carrying the stove mostly opened up some extra options for dinner, like macaroni and cheese, 5-minute couscous (one of my favorites), and instant ramen. Cooked food also tends to stand up to added fat well, so I carried some cooking oil to add to my dinners, which helped my calories-per-gram when I was cooking. Some people really enjoy having hot coffee or oatmeal at breakfast, but I would rather be up and moving as soon as possible -- the early morning is the coldest part of the day, so I don't want to spend it sitting still while waiting for water to boil. So I really only cooked for dinner. All in all, I was pretty pleased with my approach to food, both with and without a stove. But, it depends on your goals and schedule -- for me, I was trying to spend as much time hiking and as little time camping as I could (if I want to sit in a tent, I can do that closer to home... and if I want a pleasant evening by the campfire, a PCT thru-hike is the wrong time and place for that). But, if you plan to spend lots of time in camp, much of what I've written above is unnecessarily-hurried. As they say, HYOH. -=Town Food On 5/26/20 7:56 PM, Nathan Dreon wrote: > Thank you to everyone who helped me with my transportation question earlier. ?With your?help?I think I can make it to the trail. ?Once I get there I?m going to have to eat, so I?m looking at food choices. ?I plan to go stoveless, I?m not strong and would rather carry water than fuel. > I?found something in the local store that doesn?t seem too bad. ?Knorr Rice Medley. ?It is Parboiled rice and pasta with traces of vegetables and flavorings. ?I soaked it in water for a few hours and it was soft enough to eat and I didn?t gag on it. ?My standards are low and it met?them. > My question is, can humans digest this stuff if it isn?t cooked? > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From ndreon at yahoo.com Thu May 28 10:48:54 2020 From: ndreon at yahoo.com (Nathan Dreon) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 15:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Food In-Reply-To: <888949708.238762.1590548182948@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1685607313.301387.1587849521111.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1685607313.301387.1587849521111@mail.yahoo.com> <1693701468.317888.1587852106096@mail.yahoo.com> <888949708.238762.1590548182948@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1290970460.1128984.1590680934153@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you all for the many good ideas and encouragement. Couscous is cooked pasta. ?Minute Rice is parboiled. ?Folks eat these after soaking?with good results.The Knorr Rice Sides is parboiled rice and pasta, I don?t know that the pasta is cooked, think it is not.??Sometimes cooking makes indigestible things digestible and is important. ?So I don?t know if the pasta part is ok to eat. ?I was hoping there was a body of experience out there I might tap. ?I can make my own and leave the pasta out?but it?sure would be convenient to have these Knorr packets for food. ?I ate on after soaking a couple days ago, no obvious problems but no way to know if I extracted all the calories. Are small pieces of soaked?raw pasta digestible? From dr_carolyn at yahoo.com Thu May 28 15:05:21 2020 From: dr_carolyn at yahoo.com (CClark) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 20:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Food In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1859216557.859431.1590696321425@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Nathan, ?For us,? going stoveless was a great choice, especially in the Northwest.? We didn't have to sit outside in the rain or cold to prepare meals.? We could just put up our tent, collapse into it, and eat dinner in bed!? We were not picky about food, so this advice might not work for everyone.? We view it as sustenance, so anything that is healthy, lightweight, and provides energy, is a win for us. For dinners, we lived primarily on dehydrated bean flakes (pinto or black beans).? Often we'd mix in a small amount of instant mashed potatoes and a few shakes of garlic pepper, along with a good amount of home-made dehydrated string beans or spinach. (Buy bags of frozen veggies, dehydrate, and they pack down to almost nothing.) We'd add a few drops of canola oil for a balanced meal. Add water to taste, and dinner is ready instantly.? Mornings, we'd make instant coffee and nibble on energy bars.? Throughout the day we'd take 5 minute stretch breaks each 1.5 hours, and again nibble on energy bars. ? Sometimes we'd have an instant oatmeal and/or dried fruit or nuts. Of course, we used a drinking tube and hydrated constantly.? We also used chocolate covered espresso beans to get ourselves up the toughest of inclines.? We tried to avoid camping next to water sources for environmental and LNT reasons.? But we did stop at every water source and drink as much as we possibly could.? We'd add a small amount of flavoring such as Gatorade or instant tea, to help us drink as much as we could while we were there.? When we moved on, we carried extra water for dinner, but usually that was only a few miles after the water source.? This strategy worked great for us, and we never once missed having a stove. Also, we didn't have much problem with critters bothering us, because our food didn't smell tempting to them. Have fun!SoulDoctor and BoomDone? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 15:48:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Nathan Dreon To: Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food Message-ID: <1290970460.1128984.1590680934153 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thank you all for the many good ideas and encouragement. Couscous is cooked pasta. ?Minute Rice is parboiled. ?Folks eat these after soaking?with good results.The Knorr Rice Sides is parboiled rice and pasta, I don?t know that the pasta is cooked, think it is not.??Sometimes cooking makes indigestible things digestible and is important. ?So I don?t know if the pasta part is ok to eat. ?I was hoping there was a body of experience out there I might tap. ?I can make my own and leave the pasta out?but it?sure would be convenient to have these Knorr packets for food. ?I ate on after soaking a couple days ago, no obvious problems but no way to know if I extracted all the calories. Are small pieces of soaked?raw pasta digestible? ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. ------------------------------ End of Pct-L Digest, Vol 130, Issue 14 ************************************** From pctl at oakapple.net Thu May 28 16:05:39 2020 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 14:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] ATC encouraging day hikers but not through hikers Message-ID: <202005282105.04SL5d9Y004472@server-f.oakapple.net> See https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/appalachian-trail-reopens-to-day-trippers-but-urges-thru-hikers-to-stay-home/2020/05/27/ba1c5732-9ad7-11ea-89fd-28fb313d1886_story.html == Unrelated link noticed on the same page: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/trekking-through-fire-and-ice-on-greenlands-102-mile-arctic-circle-trail/2018/08/09/1a4d8f9e-90e5-11e8-8322-b5482bf5e0f5_story.html It even has huts! But still a hundred mile wilderness. From gary at hbfun.org Fri May 29 15:45:03 2020 From: gary at hbfun.org (gary at hbfun.org) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 16:45:03 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Food Message-ID: <62627.1590785103@hbfun.org> OK, my $0.02: After a hard day hiking, and I'm camped at 9,000' the last thing I want to see is a baggy of cold glop! YMMV! Good luck on your trip. Gary On Thu 28/05/20 11:48 AM , Nathan Dreon ndreon at yahoo.com sent: Thank you all for the many good ideas and encouragement. Couscous is cooked pasta. Minute Rice is parboiled. Folks eat these after soaking with good results.The Knorr Rice Sides is parboiled rice and pasta, I don?t know that the pasta is cooked, think it is not. Sometimes cooking makes indigestible things digestible and is important. So I don?t know if the pasta part is ok to eat. I was hoping there was a body of experience out there I might tap. I can make my own and leave the pasta out but it sure would be convenient to have these Knorr packets for food. I ate on after soaking a couple days ago, no obvious problems but no way to know if I extracted all the calories. Are small pieces of soaked raw pasta digestible?