[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 129, Issue 3
Dave Novo
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Wed Apr 15 00:07:18 CDT 2020
I think it’s to easy to get a PCT permit. Especially when people go out and it’s the first hive they have done now all of the sudden they going to hike to Canada
Dave
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:59:33 -0700
From: Susan Pease <susanpease59 at gmail.com>
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Thanks for your wonderful and informative message. I like the concept of
"Trevor's Tip" and also a sign with all the information you suggested at
PCT mile #15
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> 1. Re: Trevor?s Eternal Trail (Jennifer Hanigan)
> 2. Re: Trevor?s Eternal Trail (Jeffrey Olson)
> 3. Trevor?s Eternal Trail (Paint YW)
> 4. San Jacinto Trail Report / Snow, weather, and water
> conditions for the San Jacinto Mountains (Paint YW)
> 5. last man on the AT (David Hough reading PCT-L)
> 6. Re: Trevor's Eternal Trail (bobandshell97)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:22:20 -0700
> From: Jennifer Hanigan <jmhanigan at gmail.com>
> To: Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com>
> Cc: David Pct-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor?s Eternal Trail
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> Thank you for sharing this. I can?t imagine the family?s grief.
>
> ~ Jennifer Johnson
>
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?So sad..
> >
> >
> https://thetrek.co/pacific-crest-trail/trevors-eternal-trail/?fbclid=IwAR3g-mFlmsNkqSldXbW3BWjRwfeOscYFjF4cmI8CCI2HgvQhuHe9D3YATDs
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor?s Eternal Trail
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> I want to? honor the young man who slipped off the snowy PCT trail and
> died.
>
> I cried reading his Dad's story - the structure - his love for his son,
> his own vulnerability, and self-awareness.? How hard it is to let a
> child make choices that are developmentally normal.? The father lets
> go.? The son continues to follow his own light.
>
> The father's story of his Son's dying so honors how he saw his son as a
> person.? In this really cynical world this man "grokked" his
> responsibility to raise a human being, a young man, a person, a good man...
>
> He was successful.? His love is so here...
>
> Jeff...
>
> n 4/12/2020 6:22 PM, Jennifer Hanigan wrote:
> > Thank you for sharing this. I can?t imagine the family?s grief.
> >
> > ~ Jennifer Johnson
> >
> >> On Apr 12,
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:51:38 -0700
> From: Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trevor?s Eternal Trail
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> First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous loss of a human life, perishing
> off the side of Mt San Jacinto, and the poignant tribute that the hiker's
> father fearlessly composed and bravely shared with the hiking community. I
> cannot begin to grasp the depth of sorrow the parents of this young man
> must be feeling. In one moment, your loved one is pursuing the dream of a
> lifetime, and in the next moment, they are forever transformed into the
> absolutely unwanted realm of eternal memories. Other words escape me...
>
> That this young man would not perish in vein, perhaps the hiking community
> could give others a better chance to live by warning them of the perils in
> unpreparedness up in the big mountains?
>
> I wondered if attributing to- Trevor's life well lived, a cautionary yet
> honorary reminder, aimed at those hiking into the big mountains, that might
> be learned, by educating them with a proactive slogan.
>
> Something like: Trevor's Law, or Trevor's Tip.
>
> Which might read- "It is better to have your mountaineering gear, and not
> use it, than to need your mountaineering gear, and not have it."
>
> Folks, I went to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit's website, and reviewed
> all 19 rescues off of Mt. San Jacinto, to date, this year, and the recovery
> of Trevor's body, wasn't the only technical rescue / recovery mission
> conducted involving PCT hikers specifically.
>
> RMRU
> Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, A California Search and Rescue Team
>
> https://rmru.org/
>
> MISSIONS 2020-019
>
> https://rmru.org/missions/
>
> PCT Hikers Apache Peak (Trevor's recovery)
>
> https://rmru.org/2020/03/27/2020-016/
>
> Almost every hiker rescued, lacked traction devices and ice axes! This is
> already happening in February, March and April ! One hiker injured their
> hip, but could not walk out, as reported, on their own. It turns out that
> they could self ambulate. The fall that injured them, also broke their
> phone, which was the only navigation device in hand. The hiker was then, in
> essence, lost- and unable, or unwilling to extract themselves.
>
> This lack of self sufficiency, is repeating itself, over, and over, and
> over. The hikers are treating the rescue teams like Uber or Lyft drivers.
>
> None of this has anything to do with the COVID 19 outbreak, by the way.
> Just hikers stumbling about on top of a big mountain.
>
> They are called "the big mountains" because they are "big mountains" and
> all that comes with recreating in the big mountains, is there for all to
> experience.
>
> Maybe... there needs to be a cautionary warning sign placed at the
> trailhead parking lot at PCT mile marker # 152.
>
> Something like:
>
> Warning to all who enter!
> These are big mountains.
> Weather conditions can change in minutes.
> Trail conditions can become treacherous and life threatening.
> Mountaineering gear may become necessary to enter and exit safely.
> Know your skill level and act accordingly.
> You are responsible for your own well being.
> You may be called upon to save someone else's life.
> Are you prepared and equipped?
> Enter at your own risk.
>
> Me, to you, the reader- >>> Long time no see / no talk.. to the good hiking
> folks here at the PCT-L.
>
> All the best-
>
> Paint YW
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:54:26 -0700
> From: Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] San Jacinto Trail Report / Snow, weather, and water
> conditions for the San Jacinto Mountains
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> Hikers! Go here, for current weather / trail conditions. Hike smart!
>
> https://sanjacjon.com/
>
> Snow storm update 10th April 2020
> <https://sanjacjon.com/2020/04/10/snow-storm-update-10th-april-2020/>
>
> [*UPDATE 11th April*: I recorded a short video
> <https://youtu.be/p7N7iui5eeY> on Deer Springs Trail at the top of Seven
> Pines Trail late this morning. Snow was deep ? for an April storm ? on the
> west side, but I forgot to mention in the video that on the eastern side at
> similar elevation (Long Valley) there is less than half the depth of snow.]
> Jon, provides a tremendous service to the hiking community, spending
> (probably) more real time out- and up... on the mountain, than anybody else
> on the planet.
> Thank you Jon!
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Paint YW
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Hough reading PCT-L <pctl at oakapple.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] last man on the AT
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> Another stubborn hiker comes home, this time on his own steam.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/opinion/coronavirus-appalachian-trail.html
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:12:19 -0400
> From: "bobandshell97" <bobandshell97 at verizon.net>
> To: "'Paint YW'" <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
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>
> It's been so long since I have posted this may not even make it to the
> list.
>
> All of us have memories of our own traverse(s) along Apache Peak. I think
> I can visualize exactly where Trevor fell. My 2nd time across there was
> just
> after the KO about 15 years ago and there were suddenly encountered
> icy patches on the suddenly steeply-sloping treadway with a big suddenly
> noticed huge drop-off right there. I was suddenly so scared I froze for a
> minute before slowly inching across. In short... a sudden lot of
> "suddenlys."
> I had instep crampons with me, but the trail had been dry and I could see
> the trail was dry beyond. Stop and put the insteps on for about 10 yards
> and then remove them immediately? Of course I should have... but didn't.
> We all take calculated risks at times. I was lucky... and potentially
> stupid.
>
> But the main reason I'm posting is that on my first time across that very
> stretch on Apache Peak in 1985, my partner and I began smelling a truly
> horrible smell. It filled the entire basin to the right and was so foul
> you
>
> could hardly breathe. No ice then and we hurried past. A couple days
> later we ran into a ranger who told us a horse packer had crossed there
> several weeks earlier and one of his horses had slipped and fallen to its
> death far below. Even a four-footed (4WD), otherwise sure-footed animal
> had trouble at that very spot.
>
> Paint YW, forgive my quirky sense of humor: Your suggested posted
> admonition of " Warning to all who enter!" instantly reminded me of
> Dante's "Lasciate Ogne Speranza, Voi Ch'intrate" (Abandon hope, ye
> who enter here). You know... something stronger, to really catch the
> hiker's attention! :) - Dr. Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Paint YW
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
>
> First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous loss of a human life, perishing
> off the side of Mt San Jacinto, and the poignant tribute that the hiker's
> father fearlessly composed and bravely shared with the hiking community. I
> cannot begin to grasp the depth of sorrow the parents of this young man
> must be feeling. In one moment, your loved one is pursuing the dream of a
> lifetime, and in the next moment, they are forever transformed into the
> absolutely unwanted realm of eternal memories. Other words escape me...
>
> That this young man would not perish in vein, perhaps the hiking community
> could give others a better chance to live by warning them of the perils in
> unpreparedness up in the big mountains?
>
> I wondered if attributing to- Trevor's life well lived, a cautionary yet
> honorary reminder, aimed at those hiking into the big mountains, that might
> be learned, by educating them with a proactive slogan.
>
> Something like: Trevor's Law, or Trevor's Tip.
>
> Which might read- "It is better to have your mountaineering gear, and not
> use it, than to need your mountaineering gear, and not have it."
>
> Folks, I went to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit's website, and reviewed
> all 19 rescues off of Mt. San Jacinto, to date, this year, and the recovery
> of Trevor's body, wasn't the only technical rescue / recovery mission
> conducted involving PCT hikers specifically.
>
> RMRU
> Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, A California Search and Rescue Team
>
> https://rmru.org/
>
> MISSIONS 2020-019
>
> https://rmru.org/missions/
>
> PCT Hikers Apache Peak (Trevor's recovery)
>
> https://rmru.org/2020/03/27/2020-016/
>
> Almost every hiker rescued, lacked traction devices and ice axes! This is
> already happening in February, March and April ! One hiker injured their
> hip, but could not walk out, as reported, on their own. It turns out that
> they could self ambulate. The fall that injured them, also broke their
> phone, which was the only navigation device in hand. The hiker was then, in
> essence, lost- and unable, or unwilling to extract themselves.
>
> This lack of self sufficiency, is repeating itself, over, and over, and
> over. The hikers are treating the rescue teams like Uber or Lyft drivers.
>
> None of this has anything to do with the COVID 19 outbreak, by the way.
> Just hikers stumbling about on top of a big mountain.
>
> They are called "the big mountains" because they are "big mountains" and
> all that comes with recreating in the big mountains, is there for all to
> experience.
>
> Maybe... there needs to be a cautionary warning sign placed at the
> trailhead parking lot at PCT mile marker # 152.
>
> Something like:
>
> Warning to all who enter!
> These are big mountains.
> Weather conditions can change in minutes.
> Trail conditions can become treacherous and life threatening.
> Mountaineering gear may become necessary to enter and exit safely.
> Know your skill level and act accordingly.
> You are responsible for your own well being.
> You may be called upon to save someone else's life.
> Are you prepared and equipped?
> Enter at your own risk.
>
> Me, to you, the reader- >>> Long time no see / no talk.. to the good hiking
> folks here at the PCT-L.
>
> All the best-
>
> Paint YW
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:14:14 -0400
From: gary at hbfun.org
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Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
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It seems like there has almost been a sort of perfect storm on the
PCT. The long drought in California coincided with a big increase in
hikers and PCT vloggers. Newcomers research the PCT and all they see
are the unusually dry conditions of the drought years shown on
youtube. It ain't necessarily so.
RIP to the fallen hiker.
Gary
On Mon 13/04/20 11:12 AM , "bobandshell97" bobandshell97 at verizon.net
sent:
It's been so long since I have posted this may not even make it to
the list.
All of us have memories of our own traverse(s) along Apache Peak. I
think
I can visualize exactly where Trevor fell. My 2nd time across there
was
just
after the KO about 15 years ago and there were suddenly encountered
icy patches on the suddenly steeply-sloping treadway with a big
suddenly
noticed huge drop-off right there. I was suddenly so scared I froze
for a
minute before slowly inching across. In short... a sudden lot of
"suddenlys."
I had instep crampons with me, but the trail had been dry and I could
see
the trail was dry beyond. Stop and put the insteps on for about 10
yards
and then remove them immediately? Of course I should have... but
didn't.
We all take calculated risks at times. I was lucky... and
potentially
stupid.
But the main reason I'm posting is that on my first time across that
very
stretch on Apache Peak in 1985, my partner and I began smelling a
truly
horrible smell. It filled the entire basin to the right and was so
foul you
could hardly breathe. No ice then and we hurried past. A couple
days
later we ran into a ranger who told us a horse packer had crossed
there
several weeks earlier and one of his horses had slipped and fallen to
its
death far below. Even a four-footed (4WD), otherwise sure-footed
animal
had trouble at that very spot.
Paint YW, forgive my quirky sense of humor: Your suggested posted
admonition of " Warning to all who enter!" instantly reminded me of
Dante's "Lasciate Ogne Speranza, Voi Ch'intrate" (Abandon hope, ye
who enter here). You know... something stronger, to really catch the
hiker's attention! :) - Dr. Bob
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