[pct-l] PTW message 3
Susan Pease
susanpease59 at gmail.com
Mon Apr 13 12:59:33 CDT 2020
Thanks for your wonderful and informative message. I like the concept of
"Trevor's Tip" and also a sign with all the information you suggested at
PCT mile #15
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> 1. Re: Trevor?s Eternal Trail (Jennifer Hanigan)
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> 3. Trevor?s Eternal Trail (Paint YW)
> 4. San Jacinto Trail Report / Snow, weather, and water
> conditions for the San Jacinto Mountains (Paint YW)
> 5. last man on the AT (David Hough reading PCT-L)
> 6. Re: Trevor's Eternal Trail (bobandshell97)
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:22:20 -0700
> From: Jennifer Hanigan <jmhanigan at gmail.com>
> To: Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com>
> Cc: David Pct-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor?s Eternal Trail
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> Thank you for sharing this. I can?t imagine the family?s grief.
>
> ~ Jennifer Johnson
>
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > ?So sad..
> >
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor?s Eternal Trail
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> I want to? honor the young man who slipped off the snowy PCT trail and
> died.
>
> I cried reading his Dad's story - the structure - his love for his son,
> his own vulnerability, and self-awareness.? How hard it is to let a
> child make choices that are developmentally normal.? The father lets
> go.? The son continues to follow his own light.
>
> The father's story of his Son's dying so honors how he saw his son as a
> person.? In this really cynical world this man "grokked" his
> responsibility to raise a human being, a young man, a person, a good man...
>
> He was successful.? His love is so here...
>
> Jeff...
>
> n 4/12/2020 6:22 PM, Jennifer Hanigan wrote:
> > Thank you for sharing this. I can?t imagine the family?s grief.
> >
> > ~ Jennifer Johnson
> >
> >> On Apr 12,
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:51:38 -0700
> From: Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trevor?s Eternal Trail
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> First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous loss of a human life, perishing
> off the side of Mt San Jacinto, and the poignant tribute that the hiker's
> father fearlessly composed and bravely shared with the hiking community. I
> cannot begin to grasp the depth of sorrow the parents of this young man
> must be feeling. In one moment, your loved one is pursuing the dream of a
> lifetime, and in the next moment, they are forever transformed into the
> absolutely unwanted realm of eternal memories. Other words escape me...
>
> That this young man would not perish in vein, perhaps the hiking community
> could give others a better chance to live by warning them of the perils in
> unpreparedness up in the big mountains?
>
> I wondered if attributing to- Trevor's life well lived, a cautionary yet
> honorary reminder, aimed at those hiking into the big mountains, that might
> be learned, by educating them with a proactive slogan.
>
> Something like: Trevor's Law, or Trevor's Tip.
>
> Which might read- "It is better to have your mountaineering gear, and not
> use it, than to need your mountaineering gear, and not have it."
>
> Folks, I went to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit's website, and reviewed
> all 19 rescues off of Mt. San Jacinto, to date, this year, and the recovery
> of Trevor's body, wasn't the only technical rescue / recovery mission
> conducted involving PCT hikers specifically.
>
> RMRU
> Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, A California Search and Rescue Team
>
> https://rmru.org/
>
> MISSIONS 2020-019
>
> https://rmru.org/missions/
>
> PCT Hikers Apache Peak (Trevor's recovery)
>
> https://rmru.org/2020/03/27/2020-016/
>
> Almost every hiker rescued, lacked traction devices and ice axes! This is
> already happening in February, March and April ! One hiker injured their
> hip, but could not walk out, as reported, on their own. It turns out that
> they could self ambulate. The fall that injured them, also broke their
> phone, which was the only navigation device in hand. The hiker was then, in
> essence, lost- and unable, or unwilling to extract themselves.
>
> This lack of self sufficiency, is repeating itself, over, and over, and
> over. The hikers are treating the rescue teams like Uber or Lyft drivers.
>
> None of this has anything to do with the COVID 19 outbreak, by the way.
> Just hikers stumbling about on top of a big mountain.
>
> They are called "the big mountains" because they are "big mountains" and
> all that comes with recreating in the big mountains, is there for all to
> experience.
>
> Maybe... there needs to be a cautionary warning sign placed at the
> trailhead parking lot at PCT mile marker # 152.
>
> Something like:
>
> Warning to all who enter!
> These are big mountains.
> Weather conditions can change in minutes.
> Trail conditions can become treacherous and life threatening.
> Mountaineering gear may become necessary to enter and exit safely.
> Know your skill level and act accordingly.
> You are responsible for your own well being.
> You may be called upon to save someone else's life.
> Are you prepared and equipped?
> Enter at your own risk.
>
> Me, to you, the reader- >>> Long time no see / no talk.. to the good hiking
> folks here at the PCT-L.
>
> All the best-
>
> Paint YW
>
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:54:26 -0700
> From: Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] San Jacinto Trail Report / Snow, weather, and water
> conditions for the San Jacinto Mountains
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> Hikers! Go here, for current weather / trail conditions. Hike smart!
>
> https://sanjacjon.com/
>
> Snow storm update 10th April 2020
> <https://sanjacjon.com/2020/04/10/snow-storm-update-10th-april-2020/>
>
> [*UPDATE 11th April*: I recorded a short video
> <https://youtu.be/p7N7iui5eeY> on Deer Springs Trail at the top of Seven
> Pines Trail late this morning. Snow was deep ? for an April storm ? on the
> west side, but I forgot to mention in the video that on the eastern side at
> similar elevation (Long Valley) there is less than half the depth of snow.]
> Jon, provides a tremendous service to the hiking community, spending
> (probably) more real time out- and up... on the mountain, than anybody else
> on the planet.
> Thank you Jon!
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Paint YW
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Hough reading PCT-L <pctl at oakapple.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] last man on the AT
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> Another stubborn hiker comes home, this time on his own steam.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/opinion/coronavirus-appalachian-trail.html
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:12:19 -0400
> From: "bobandshell97" <bobandshell97 at verizon.net>
> To: "'Paint YW'" <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
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> It's been so long since I have posted this may not even make it to the
> list.
>
> All of us have memories of our own traverse(s) along Apache Peak. I think
> I can visualize exactly where Trevor fell. My 2nd time across there was
> just
> after the KO about 15 years ago and there were suddenly encountered
> icy patches on the suddenly steeply-sloping treadway with a big suddenly
> noticed huge drop-off right there. I was suddenly so scared I froze for a
> minute before slowly inching across. In short... a sudden lot of
> "suddenlys."
> I had instep crampons with me, but the trail had been dry and I could see
> the trail was dry beyond. Stop and put the insteps on for about 10 yards
> and then remove them immediately? Of course I should have... but didn't.
> We all take calculated risks at times. I was lucky... and potentially
> stupid.
>
> But the main reason I'm posting is that on my first time across that very
> stretch on Apache Peak in 1985, my partner and I began smelling a truly
> horrible smell. It filled the entire basin to the right and was so foul
> you
>
> could hardly breathe. No ice then and we hurried past. A couple days
> later we ran into a ranger who told us a horse packer had crossed there
> several weeks earlier and one of his horses had slipped and fallen to its
> death far below. Even a four-footed (4WD), otherwise sure-footed animal
> had trouble at that very spot.
>
> Paint YW, forgive my quirky sense of humor: Your suggested posted
> admonition of " Warning to all who enter!" instantly reminded me of
> Dante's "Lasciate Ogne Speranza, Voi Ch'intrate" (Abandon hope, ye
> who enter here). You know... something stronger, to really catch the
> hiker's attention! :) - Dr. Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Paint YW
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
>
> First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous loss of a human life, perishing
> off the side of Mt San Jacinto, and the poignant tribute that the hiker's
> father fearlessly composed and bravely shared with the hiking community. I
> cannot begin to grasp the depth of sorrow the parents of this young man
> must be feeling. In one moment, your loved one is pursuing the dream of a
> lifetime, and in the next moment, they are forever transformed into the
> absolutely unwanted realm of eternal memories. Other words escape me...
>
> That this young man would not perish in vein, perhaps the hiking community
> could give others a better chance to live by warning them of the perils in
> unpreparedness up in the big mountains?
>
> I wondered if attributing to- Trevor's life well lived, a cautionary yet
> honorary reminder, aimed at those hiking into the big mountains, that might
> be learned, by educating them with a proactive slogan.
>
> Something like: Trevor's Law, or Trevor's Tip.
>
> Which might read- "It is better to have your mountaineering gear, and not
> use it, than to need your mountaineering gear, and not have it."
>
> Folks, I went to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit's website, and reviewed
> all 19 rescues off of Mt. San Jacinto, to date, this year, and the recovery
> of Trevor's body, wasn't the only technical rescue / recovery mission
> conducted involving PCT hikers specifically.
>
> RMRU
> Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, A California Search and Rescue Team
>
> https://rmru.org/
>
> MISSIONS 2020-019
>
> https://rmru.org/missions/
>
> PCT Hikers Apache Peak (Trevor's recovery)
>
> https://rmru.org/2020/03/27/2020-016/
>
> Almost every hiker rescued, lacked traction devices and ice axes! This is
> already happening in February, March and April ! One hiker injured their
> hip, but could not walk out, as reported, on their own. It turns out that
> they could self ambulate. The fall that injured them, also broke their
> phone, which was the only navigation device in hand. The hiker was then, in
> essence, lost- and unable, or unwilling to extract themselves.
>
> This lack of self sufficiency, is repeating itself, over, and over, and
> over. The hikers are treating the rescue teams like Uber or Lyft drivers.
>
> None of this has anything to do with the COVID 19 outbreak, by the way.
> Just hikers stumbling about on top of a big mountain.
>
> They are called "the big mountains" because they are "big mountains" and
> all that comes with recreating in the big mountains, is there for all to
> experience.
>
> Maybe... there needs to be a cautionary warning sign placed at the
> trailhead parking lot at PCT mile marker # 152.
>
> Something like:
>
> Warning to all who enter!
> These are big mountains.
> Weather conditions can change in minutes.
> Trail conditions can become treacherous and life threatening.
> Mountaineering gear may become necessary to enter and exit safely.
> Know your skill level and act accordingly.
> You are responsible for your own well being.
> You may be called upon to save someone else's life.
> Are you prepared and equipped?
> Enter at your own risk.
>
> Me, to you, the reader- >>> Long time no see / no talk.. to the good hiking
> folks here at the PCT-L.
>
> All the best-
>
> Paint YW
>
>
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