From nobohiker at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 10:07:31 2020
From: nobohiker at gmail.com (Nobohiker)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:07:31 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] =?utf-8?q?Trevor=E2=80=99s_Eternal_Trail?=
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So sad..

https://thetrek.co/pacific-crest-trail/trevors-eternal-trail/?fbclid=IwAR3g-mFlmsNkqSldXbW3BWjRwfeOscYFjF4cmI8CCI2HgvQhuHe9D3YATDs


From elizabethrbchurch at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 10:16:58 2020
From: elizabethrbchurch at gmail.com (Elizabeth Church)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:16:58 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] =?utf-8?q?Trevor=E2=80=99s_Eternal_Trail?=
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Heartbreaking ??

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?So sad..
> 
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From jmhanigan at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 19:22:20 2020
From: jmhanigan at gmail.com (Jennifer Hanigan)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:22:20 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] =?utf-8?q?Trevor=E2=80=99s_Eternal_Trail?=
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Thank you for sharing this. I can?t imagine the family?s grief. 

~ Jennifer Johnson

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?So sad..
> 
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From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 20:01:20 2020
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] =?utf-8?q?Trevor=E2=80=99s_Eternal_Trail?=
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I want to? honor the young man who slipped off the snowy PCT trail and 
died.

I cried reading his Dad's story - the structure - his love for his son, 
his own vulnerability, and self-awareness.? How hard it is to let a 
child make choices that are developmentally normal.? The father lets 
go.? The son continues to follow his own light.

The father's story of his Son's dying so honors how he saw his son as a 
person.? In this really cynical world this man "grokked" his 
responsibility to raise a human being, a young man, a person, a good man...

He was successful.? His love is so here...

Jeff...

n 4/12/2020 6:22 PM, Jennifer Hanigan wrote:
> Thank you for sharing this. I can?t imagine the family?s grief.
>
> ~ Jennifer Johnson
>
>> On Apr 12,


From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 21:51:38 2020
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:51:38 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] =?utf-8?q?Trevor=E2=80=99s_Eternal_Trail?=
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First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous loss of a human life, perishing
off the side of Mt San Jacinto, and the poignant tribute that the hiker's
father fearlessly composed and bravely shared with the hiking community. I
cannot begin to grasp the depth of sorrow the parents of this young man
must be feeling. In one moment, your loved one is pursuing the dream of a
lifetime, and in the next moment, they are forever transformed into the
absolutely unwanted realm of eternal memories. Other words escape me...

That this young man would not perish in vein, perhaps the hiking community
could give others a better chance to live by warning them of the perils in
unpreparedness up in the big mountains?

I wondered if attributing to- Trevor's life well lived, a cautionary yet
honorary reminder, aimed at those hiking into the big mountains, that might
be learned, by educating them with a proactive slogan.

Something like: Trevor's Law, or Trevor's Tip.

Which might read- "It is better to have your mountaineering gear, and not
use it, than to need your mountaineering gear, and not have it."

Folks, I went to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit's website, and reviewed
all 19 rescues off of Mt. San Jacinto, to date, this year, and the recovery
of Trevor's body, wasn't the only technical rescue / recovery mission
conducted involving PCT hikers specifically.

RMRU
Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, A California Search and Rescue Team

https://rmru.org/

MISSIONS 2020-019

https://rmru.org/missions/

PCT Hikers Apache Peak (Trevor's recovery)

https://rmru.org/2020/03/27/2020-016/

Almost every hiker rescued, lacked traction devices and ice axes! This is
already happening in February, March and April ! One hiker injured their
hip, but could not walk out, as reported, on their own. It turns out that
they could self ambulate. The fall that injured them, also broke their
phone, which was the only navigation device in hand. The hiker was then, in
essence, lost- and unable, or unwilling to extract themselves.

This lack of self sufficiency, is repeating itself, over, and over, and
over. The hikers are treating the rescue teams like Uber or Lyft drivers.

None of this has anything to do with the COVID 19 outbreak, by the way.
Just hikers stumbling about on top of a big mountain.

They are called "the big mountains" because they are "big mountains" and
all that comes with recreating in the big mountains, is there for all to
experience.

Maybe... there needs to be a cautionary warning sign placed at the
trailhead parking lot at PCT mile marker # 152.

Something like:

Warning to all who enter!
These are big mountains.
Weather conditions can change in minutes.
Trail conditions can become treacherous and life threatening.
Mountaineering gear may become necessary to enter and exit safely.
Know your skill level and act accordingly.
You are responsible for your own well being.
You may be called upon to save someone else's life.
Are you prepared and equipped?
Enter at your own risk.

Me, to you, the reader- >>> Long time no see / no talk.. to the good hiking
folks here at the PCT-L.

All the best-

Paint YW



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From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 22:54:26 2020
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:54:26 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] San Jacinto Trail Report / Snow, weather,
 and water conditions for the San Jacinto Mountains
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Hikers! Go here, for current weather / trail conditions. Hike smart!

https://sanjacjon.com/

Snow storm update 10th April 2020
<https://sanjacjon.com/2020/04/10/snow-storm-update-10th-april-2020/>

[*UPDATE 11th April*: I recorded a short video
<https://youtu.be/p7N7iui5eeY> on Deer Springs Trail at the top of Seven
Pines Trail late this morning. Snow was deep ? for an April storm ? on the
west side, but I forgot to mention in the video that on the eastern side at
similar elevation (Long Valley) there is less than half the depth of snow.]
Jon, provides a tremendous service to the hiking community, spending
(probably) more real time out- and up... on the mountain, than anybody else
on the planet.
Thank you Jon!

Enjoy,

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From pctl at oakapple.net  Mon Apr 13 00:19:50 2020
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] last man on the AT
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Another stubborn hiker comes home, this time on his own steam.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/opinion/coronavirus-appalachian-trail.html

From bobandshell97 at verizon.net  Mon Apr 13 10:12:19 2020
From: bobandshell97 at verizon.net (bobandshell97)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:12:19 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
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It's been so long since I have posted this may not even make it to the list.

All of us have memories of our own traverse(s) along Apache Peak.  I think 
I can visualize exactly where Trevor fell.  My 2nd time across there was
just 
after the KO about 15 years ago and there were suddenly encountered 
icy patches on the suddenly steeply-sloping treadway with a big suddenly 
noticed huge drop-off right there.  I was suddenly so scared I froze for a 
minute before slowly inching across. In short... a sudden lot of
"suddenlys." 
I had instep crampons with me, but the trail had been dry and I could see 
the trail was dry beyond.  Stop and put the insteps on for about 10 yards 
and then remove them immediately?  Of course I should have... but didn't.
We all take calculated risks at times.  I was lucky... and potentially
stupid.

But the main reason I'm posting is that on my first time across that very 
stretch on Apache Peak in 1985, my partner and I began smelling a truly 
horrible smell.  It filled the entire basin to the right and was so foul you

could hardly breathe.  No ice then and we hurried past.  A couple days 
later we ran into a ranger who told us a horse packer had crossed there 
several weeks earlier and one of his horses had slipped and fallen to its 
death far below.  Even a four-footed (4WD), otherwise sure-footed animal
had trouble at that very spot.

Paint YW, forgive my quirky sense of humor:  Your suggested posted 
admonition of " Warning to all who enter!" instantly reminded me of 
Dante's "Lasciate Ogne Speranza, Voi Ch'intrate" (Abandon hope, ye 
who enter here).  You know... something stronger, to really catch the 
hiker's attention!  :)   -  Dr. Bob


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Subject: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail

First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous loss of a human life, perishing
off the side of Mt San Jacinto, and the poignant tribute that the hiker's
father fearlessly composed and bravely shared with the hiking community. I
cannot begin to grasp the depth of sorrow the parents of this young man
must be feeling. In one moment, your loved one is pursuing the dream of a
lifetime, and in the next moment, they are forever transformed into the
absolutely unwanted realm of eternal memories. Other words escape me...

That this young man would not perish in vein, perhaps the hiking community
could give others a better chance to live by warning them of the perils in
unpreparedness up in the big mountains?

I wondered if attributing to- Trevor's life well lived, a cautionary yet
honorary reminder, aimed at those hiking into the big mountains, that might
be learned, by educating them with a proactive slogan.

Something like: Trevor's Law, or Trevor's Tip.

Which might read- "It is better to have your mountaineering gear, and not
use it, than to need your mountaineering gear, and not have it."

Folks, I went to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit's website, and reviewed
all 19 rescues off of Mt. San Jacinto, to date, this year, and the recovery
of Trevor's body, wasn't the only technical rescue / recovery mission
conducted involving PCT hikers specifically.

RMRU
Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, A California Search and Rescue Team

https://rmru.org/

MISSIONS 2020-019

https://rmru.org/missions/

PCT Hikers Apache Peak (Trevor's recovery)

https://rmru.org/2020/03/27/2020-016/

Almost every hiker rescued, lacked traction devices and ice axes! This is
already happening in February, March and April ! One hiker injured their
hip, but could not walk out, as reported, on their own. It turns out that
they could self ambulate. The fall that injured them, also broke their
phone, which was the only navigation device in hand. The hiker was then, in
essence, lost- and unable, or unwilling to extract themselves.

This lack of self sufficiency, is repeating itself, over, and over, and
over. The hikers are treating the rescue teams like Uber or Lyft drivers.

None of this has anything to do with the COVID 19 outbreak, by the way.
Just hikers stumbling about on top of a big mountain.

They are called "the big mountains" because they are "big mountains" and
all that comes with recreating in the big mountains, is there for all to
experience.

Maybe... there needs to be a cautionary warning sign placed at the
trailhead parking lot at PCT mile marker # 152.

Something like:

Warning to all who enter!
These are big mountains.
Weather conditions can change in minutes.
Trail conditions can become treacherous and life threatening.
Mountaineering gear may become necessary to enter and exit safely.
Know your skill level and act accordingly.
You are responsible for your own well being.
You may be called upon to save someone else's life.
Are you prepared and equipped?
Enter at your own risk.

Me, to you, the reader- >>> Long time no see / no talk.. to the good hiking
folks here at the PCT-L.

All the best-

Paint YW



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From susanpease59 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 12:59:33 2020
From: susanpease59 at gmail.com (Susan Pease)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:59:33 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PTW message 3
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 Thanks for your wonderful and informative message.  I like the concept of
"Trevor's Tip" and also a sign with all the information you suggested at
PCT mile #15

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> >
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> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor?s Eternal Trail
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> I want to? honor the young man who slipped off the snowy PCT trail and
> died.
>
> I cried reading his Dad's story - the structure - his love for his son,
> his own vulnerability, and self-awareness.? How hard it is to let a
> child make choices that are developmentally normal.? The father lets
> go.? The son continues to follow his own light.
>
> The father's story of his Son's dying so honors how he saw his son as a
> person.? In this really cynical world this man "grokked" his
> responsibility to raise a human being, a young man, a person, a good man...
>
> He was successful.? His love is so here...
>
> Jeff...
>
> n 4/12/2020 6:22 PM, Jennifer Hanigan wrote:
> > Thank you for sharing this. I can?t imagine the family?s grief.
> >
> > ~ Jennifer Johnson
> >
> >> On Apr 12,
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:51:38 -0700
> From: Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trevor?s Eternal Trail
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous loss of a human life, perishing
> off the side of Mt San Jacinto, and the poignant tribute that the hiker's
> father fearlessly composed and bravely shared with the hiking community. I
> cannot begin to grasp the depth of sorrow the parents of this young man
> must be feeling. In one moment, your loved one is pursuing the dream of a
> lifetime, and in the next moment, they are forever transformed into the
> absolutely unwanted realm of eternal memories. Other words escape me...
>
> That this young man would not perish in vein, perhaps the hiking community
> could give others a better chance to live by warning them of the perils in
> unpreparedness up in the big mountains?
>
> I wondered if attributing to- Trevor's life well lived, a cautionary yet
> honorary reminder, aimed at those hiking into the big mountains, that might
> be learned, by educating them with a proactive slogan.
>
> Something like: Trevor's Law, or Trevor's Tip.
>
> Which might read- "It is better to have your mountaineering gear, and not
> use it, than to need your mountaineering gear, and not have it."
>
> Folks, I went to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit's website, and reviewed
> all 19 rescues off of Mt. San Jacinto, to date, this year, and the recovery
> of Trevor's body, wasn't the only technical rescue / recovery mission
> conducted involving PCT hikers specifically.
>
> RMRU
> Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, A California Search and Rescue Team
>
> https://rmru.org/
>
> MISSIONS 2020-019
>
> https://rmru.org/missions/
>
> PCT Hikers Apache Peak (Trevor's recovery)
>
> https://rmru.org/2020/03/27/2020-016/
>
> Almost every hiker rescued, lacked traction devices and ice axes! This is
> already happening in February, March and April ! One hiker injured their
> hip, but could not walk out, as reported, on their own. It turns out that
> they could self ambulate. The fall that injured them, also broke their
> phone, which was the only navigation device in hand. The hiker was then, in
> essence, lost- and unable, or unwilling to extract themselves.
>
> This lack of self sufficiency, is repeating itself, over, and over, and
> over. The hikers are treating the rescue teams like Uber or Lyft drivers.
>
> None of this has anything to do with the COVID 19 outbreak, by the way.
> Just hikers stumbling about on top of a big mountain.
>
> They are called "the big mountains" because they are "big mountains" and
> all that comes with recreating in the big mountains, is there for all to
> experience.
>
> Maybe... there needs to be a cautionary warning sign placed at the
> trailhead parking lot at PCT mile marker # 152.
>
> Something like:
>
> Warning to all who enter!
> These are big mountains.
> Weather conditions can change in minutes.
> Trail conditions can become treacherous and life threatening.
> Mountaineering gear may become necessary to enter and exit safely.
> Know your skill level and act accordingly.
> You are responsible for your own well being.
> You may be called upon to save someone else's life.
> Are you prepared and equipped?
> Enter at your own risk.
>
> Me, to you, the reader- >>> Long time no see / no talk.. to the good hiking
> folks here at the PCT-L.
>
> All the best-
>
> Paint YW
>
>
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> Hikers! Go here, for current weather / trail conditions. Hike smart!
>
> https://sanjacjon.com/
>
> Snow storm update 10th April 2020
> <https://sanjacjon.com/2020/04/10/snow-storm-update-10th-april-2020/>
>
> [*UPDATE 11th April*: I recorded a short video
> <https://youtu.be/p7N7iui5eeY> on Deer Springs Trail at the top of Seven
> Pines Trail late this morning. Snow was deep ? for an April storm ? on the
> west side, but I forgot to mention in the video that on the eastern side at
> similar elevation (Long Valley) there is less than half the depth of snow.]
> Jon, provides a tremendous service to the hiking community, spending
> (probably) more real time out- and up... on the mountain, than anybody else
> on the planet.
> Thank you Jon!
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Paint YW
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> From: David Hough reading PCT-L <pctl at oakapple.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] last man on the AT
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> Another stubborn hiker comes home, this time on his own steam.
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> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/opinion/coronavirus-appalachian-trail.html
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:12:19 -0400
> From: "bobandshell97" <bobandshell97 at verizon.net>
> To: "'Paint YW'" <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>,
>         <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
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> It's been so long since I have posted this may not even make it to the
> list.
>
> All of us have memories of our own traverse(s) along Apache Peak.  I think
> I can visualize exactly where Trevor fell.  My 2nd time across there was
> just
> after the KO about 15 years ago and there were suddenly encountered
> icy patches on the suddenly steeply-sloping treadway with a big suddenly
> noticed huge drop-off right there.  I was suddenly so scared I froze for a
> minute before slowly inching across. In short... a sudden lot of
> "suddenlys."
> I had instep crampons with me, but the trail had been dry and I could see
> the trail was dry beyond.  Stop and put the insteps on for about 10 yards
> and then remove them immediately?  Of course I should have... but didn't.
> We all take calculated risks at times.  I was lucky... and potentially
> stupid.
>
> But the main reason I'm posting is that on my first time across that very
> stretch on Apache Peak in 1985, my partner and I began smelling a truly
> horrible smell.  It filled the entire basin to the right and was so foul
> you
>
> could hardly breathe.  No ice then and we hurried past.  A couple days
> later we ran into a ranger who told us a horse packer had crossed there
> several weeks earlier and one of his horses had slipped and fallen to its
> death far below.  Even a four-footed (4WD), otherwise sure-footed animal
> had trouble at that very spot.
>
> Paint YW, forgive my quirky sense of humor:  Your suggested posted
> admonition of " Warning to all who enter!" instantly reminded me of
> Dante's "Lasciate Ogne Speranza, Voi Ch'intrate" (Abandon hope, ye
> who enter here).  You know... something stronger, to really catch the
> hiker's attention!  :)   -  Dr. Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Paint YW
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
>
> First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous loss of a human life, perishing
> off the side of Mt San Jacinto, and the poignant tribute that the hiker's
> father fearlessly composed and bravely shared with the hiking community. I
> cannot begin to grasp the depth of sorrow the parents of this young man
> must be feeling. In one moment, your loved one is pursuing the dream of a
> lifetime, and in the next moment, they are forever transformed into the
> absolutely unwanted realm of eternal memories. Other words escape me...
>
> That this young man would not perish in vein, perhaps the hiking community
> could give others a better chance to live by warning them of the perils in
> unpreparedness up in the big mountains?
>
> I wondered if attributing to- Trevor's life well lived, a cautionary yet
> honorary reminder, aimed at those hiking into the big mountains, that might
> be learned, by educating them with a proactive slogan.
>
> Something like: Trevor's Law, or Trevor's Tip.
>
> Which might read- "It is better to have your mountaineering gear, and not
> use it, than to need your mountaineering gear, and not have it."
>
> Folks, I went to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit's website, and reviewed
> all 19 rescues off of Mt. San Jacinto, to date, this year, and the recovery
> of Trevor's body, wasn't the only technical rescue / recovery mission
> conducted involving PCT hikers specifically.
>
> RMRU
> Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, A California Search and Rescue Team
>
> https://rmru.org/
>
> MISSIONS 2020-019
>
> https://rmru.org/missions/
>
> PCT Hikers Apache Peak (Trevor's recovery)
>
> https://rmru.org/2020/03/27/2020-016/
>
> Almost every hiker rescued, lacked traction devices and ice axes! This is
> already happening in February, March and April ! One hiker injured their
> hip, but could not walk out, as reported, on their own. It turns out that
> they could self ambulate. The fall that injured them, also broke their
> phone, which was the only navigation device in hand. The hiker was then, in
> essence, lost- and unable, or unwilling to extract themselves.
>
> This lack of self sufficiency, is repeating itself, over, and over, and
> over. The hikers are treating the rescue teams like Uber or Lyft drivers.
>
> None of this has anything to do with the COVID 19 outbreak, by the way.
> Just hikers stumbling about on top of a big mountain.
>
> They are called "the big mountains" because they are "big mountains" and
> all that comes with recreating in the big mountains, is there for all to
> experience.
>
> Maybe... there needs to be a cautionary warning sign placed at the
> trailhead parking lot at PCT mile marker # 152.
>
> Something like:
>
> Warning to all who enter!
> These are big mountains.
> Weather conditions can change in minutes.
> Trail conditions can become treacherous and life threatening.
> Mountaineering gear may become necessary to enter and exit safely.
> Know your skill level and act accordingly.
> You are responsible for your own well being.
> You may be called upon to save someone else's life.
> Are you prepared and equipped?
> Enter at your own risk.
>
> Me, to you, the reader- >>> Long time no see / no talk.. to the good hiking
> folks here at the PCT-L.
>
> All the best-
>
> Paint YW
>
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From gary at hbfun.org  Mon Apr 13 18:14:14 2020
From: gary at hbfun.org (gary at hbfun.org)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:14:14 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
Message-ID: <54759.1586819654@hbfun.org>

  
 It seems like there has almost been a sort of perfect storm on the
PCT. The long drought in California coincided with a big increase in
hikers and PCT vloggers. Newcomers research the PCT and all they see
are the unusually dry conditions of the drought years shown on
youtube. It ain't necessarily so.
 RIP to the fallen hiker.
 Gary
 On Mon 13/04/20 11:12 AM , "bobandshell97" bobandshell97 at verizon.net
sent:
 It's been so long since I have posted this may not even make it to
the list.
 All of us have memories of our own traverse(s) along Apache Peak.  I
think 
 I can visualize exactly where Trevor fell.  My 2nd time across there
was
 just 
 after the KO about 15 years ago and there were suddenly encountered 
 icy patches on the suddenly steeply-sloping treadway with a big
suddenly 
 noticed huge drop-off right there.  I was suddenly so scared I froze
for a 
 minute before slowly inching across. In short... a sudden lot of
 "suddenlys." 
 I had instep crampons with me, but the trail had been dry and I could
see 
 the trail was dry beyond.  Stop and put the insteps on for about 10
yards 
 and then remove them immediately?  Of course I should have... but
didn't.
 We all take calculated risks at times.  I was lucky... and
potentially
 stupid.
 But the main reason I'm posting is that on my first time across that
very 
 stretch on Apache Peak in 1985, my partner and I began smelling a
truly 
 horrible smell.  It filled the entire basin to the right and was so
foul you
 could hardly breathe.  No ice then and we hurried past.  A couple
days 
 later we ran into a ranger who told us a horse packer had crossed
there 
 several weeks earlier and one of his horses had slipped and fallen to
its 
 death far below.  Even a four-footed (4WD), otherwise sure-footed
animal
 had trouble at that very spot.
 Paint YW, forgive my quirky sense of humor:  Your suggested posted 
 admonition of " Warning to all who enter!" instantly reminded me of 
 Dante's "Lasciate Ogne Speranza, Voi Ch'intrate" (Abandon hope, ye 
 who enter here).  You know... something stronger, to really catch the

 hiker's attention!  :)   -  Dr. Bob
 

From reinholdmetzger at cox.net  Tue Apr 14 14:25:06 2020
From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:25:06 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Trouble is Back in Town
Message-ID: <a88d9770-6b4e-6bee-2f2f-37e6ddd24018@cox.net>

Hi gang,
TROUBLE? IS BACK IN TOWN,....the girls are dancing in the streets & the 
guys are gnashing
their teeth.

I see the PCT List is somewhat alive and kicking again...that is good 
news for the hiking community.
I remember when the list used to have several hundred messages every month.

After several month of almost no messages on the list I thought it died 
after "Switchback"
stopped participating.
Switchback, with his vast backpacking knowledge and trail humor, was the 
"MAGNET" on
this list that drew backpackers from all corners of the world to this 
list to read his backpacking
words of wisdom and chuckle at his trail humor.

COME BACK SWITCHBACK.....THE LIST NEEDS YOU.

JMT Reinhold

From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net  Tue Apr 14 14:54:40 2020
From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:54:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Trouble is Back in Town
References: <1560893506.341082.1586894080829.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1560893506.341082.1586894080829@mail.yahoo.com>


You Both are Hiking inspirations - I hope you all can get this - I haven't seen my own posts to the list but get everyone else's.? REINHOLD SEMPER FI BROTHER
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
Hi gang,
TROUBLE? IS BACK IN TOWN,....the girls are dancing in the streets & the 
guys are gnashing
their teeth.

I see the PCT List is somewhat alive and kicking again...that is good 
news for the hiking community.
I remember when the list used to have several hundred messages every month.

After several month of almost no messages on the list I thought it died 
after "Switchback"
stopped participating.
Switchback, with his vast backpacking knowledge and trail humor, was the 
"MAGNET" on
this list that drew backpackers from all corners of the world to this 
list to read his backpacking
words of wisdom and chuckle at his trail humor.

COME BACK SWITCHBACK.....THE LIST NEEDS YOU.

JMT Reinhold
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From hiker97 at aol.com  Tue Apr 14 15:36:18 2020
From: hiker97 at aol.com (hiker97 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 20:36:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Trouble is Back in Town
In-Reply-To: <a88d9770-6b4e-6bee-2f2f-37e6ddd24018@cox.net>
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Message-ID: <1756471652.552626.1586896578871@mail.yahoo.com>

JMT Record Setter Reinhold wrote: Switchback, with his vast backpacking knowledge and trail humor, was the "MAGNET" on this list that drew backpackers from all corners of the world to this list to read his backpacking words of wisdom and chuckle at his trail humor.
Switchback the Trail Pirate and Urban Prepper replies:?Blah humbug!? I must admit when I observe the YouTube sites on hiking the PCT, I can tell in 30-seconds if they really know what they are doing.? I just look at their clothes and gear they are carrying and just shake my head slowly.? I notice that hikers still do not understand the concept of heat radiation and dehydration.? And this is for the whole trail, not just NoBo to Kennedy Meadows! ?I don't care if they are thru-hiking or Yoyoing the trail.? I am so tired of promoting SunPrecautions pants, shirt, hat with drape, and hand?guards?along with a solar umbrella that I really do not care to talk about it anymore.? Let them suffer.? That clothing keeps you cooler when hot and warmer when cold.? Very weird stuff.? And I am tired of hikers using their hiking poles the wrong way too.?? Don't get me started on that.? I bet if I asked 1,000 hikers on the PCT how do you use a hiking pole correctly, about 10 would know the answer.? On the pandemic front, we gave away a lot of our N95 masks to our doctor and friends.? I have been wearing mine for at least 3-weeks when I go out and about.? I like the 3M brand the best for anyone who might be interested.? Enough ranting --- though it was fun.??Your humble and obedient servant, etc., etc., etc.
?

From dnovo at ymail.com  Wed Apr 15 00:07:18 2020
From: dnovo at ymail.com (Dave Novo)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 05:07:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 129, Issue 3
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Message-ID: <1534433084.491696.1586927238415@mail.yahoo.com>

 I think it?s to easy to get a PCT permit. Especially when people go out and it?s the first hive they have done now all of the sudden they going to hike to Canada
Dave
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:59:33 -0700
From: Susan Pease <susanpease59 at gmail.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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 Thanks for your wonderful and informative message.? I like the concept of
"Trevor's Tip" and also a sign with all the information you suggested at
PCT mile #15

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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:22:20 -0700
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> Cc: David Pct-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Thank you for sharing this. I can?t imagine the family?s grief.
>
> ~ Jennifer Johnson
>
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> >
> > ?So sad..
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> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor?s Eternal Trail
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> I want to? honor the young man who slipped off the snowy PCT trail and
> died.
>
> I cried reading his Dad's story - the structure - his love for his son,
> his own vulnerability, and self-awareness.? How hard it is to let a
> child make choices that are developmentally normal.? The father lets
> go.? The son continues to follow his own light.
>
> The father's story of his Son's dying so honors how he saw his son as a
> person.? In this really cynical world this man "grokked" his
> responsibility to raise a human being, a young man, a person, a good man...
>
> He was successful.? His love is so here...
>
> Jeff...
>
> n 4/12/2020 6:22 PM, Jennifer Hanigan wrote:
> > Thank you for sharing this. I can?t imagine the family?s grief.
> >
> > ~ Jennifer Johnson
> >
> >> On Apr 12,
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:51:38 -0700
> From: Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trevor?s Eternal Trail
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>
> First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous loss of a human life, perishing
> off the side of Mt San Jacinto, and the poignant tribute that the hiker's
> father fearlessly composed and bravely shared with the hiking community. I
> cannot begin to grasp the depth of sorrow the parents of this young man
> must be feeling. In one moment, your loved one is pursuing the dream of a
> lifetime, and in the next moment, they are forever transformed into the
> absolutely unwanted realm of eternal memories. Other words escape me...
>
> That this young man would not perish in vein, perhaps the hiking community
> could give others a better chance to live by warning them of the perils in
> unpreparedness up in the big mountains?
>
> I wondered if attributing to- Trevor's life well lived, a cautionary yet
> honorary reminder, aimed at those hiking into the big mountains, that might
> be learned, by educating them with a proactive slogan.
>
> Something like: Trevor's Law, or Trevor's Tip.
>
> Which might read- "It is better to have your mountaineering gear, and not
> use it, than to need your mountaineering gear, and not have it."
>
> Folks, I went to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit's website, and reviewed
> all 19 rescues off of Mt. San Jacinto, to date, this year, and the recovery
> of Trevor's body, wasn't the only technical rescue / recovery mission
> conducted involving PCT hikers specifically.
>
> RMRU
> Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, A California Search and Rescue Team
>
> https://rmru.org/
>
> MISSIONS 2020-019
>
> https://rmru.org/missions/
>
> PCT Hikers Apache Peak (Trevor's recovery)
>
> https://rmru.org/2020/03/27/2020-016/
>
> Almost every hiker rescued, lacked traction devices and ice axes! This is
> already happening in February, March and April ! One hiker injured their
> hip, but could not walk out, as reported, on their own. It turns out that
> they could self ambulate. The fall that injured them, also broke their
> phone, which was the only navigation device in hand. The hiker was then, in
> essence, lost- and unable, or unwilling to extract themselves.
>
> This lack of self sufficiency, is repeating itself, over, and over, and
> over. The hikers are treating the rescue teams like Uber or Lyft drivers.
>
> None of this has anything to do with the COVID 19 outbreak, by the way.
> Just hikers stumbling about on top of a big mountain.
>
> They are called "the big mountains" because they are "big mountains" and
> all that comes with recreating in the big mountains, is there for all to
> experience.
>
> Maybe... there needs to be a cautionary warning sign placed at the
> trailhead parking lot at PCT mile marker # 152.
>
> Something like:
>
> Warning to all who enter!
> These are big mountains.
> Weather conditions can change in minutes.
> Trail conditions can become treacherous and life threatening.
> Mountaineering gear may become necessary to enter and exit safely.
> Know your skill level and act accordingly.
> You are responsible for your own well being.
> You may be called upon to save someone else's life.
> Are you prepared and equipped?
> Enter at your own risk.
>
> Me, to you, the reader- >>> Long time no see / no talk.. to the good hiking
> folks here at the PCT-L.
>
> All the best-
>
> Paint YW
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:54:26 -0700
> From: Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] San Jacinto Trail Report / Snow, weather, and water
>? ? ? ? conditions for the San Jacinto Mountains
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> Hikers! Go here, for current weather / trail conditions. Hike smart!
>
> https://sanjacjon.com/
>
> Snow storm update 10th April 2020
> <https://sanjacjon.com/2020/04/10/snow-storm-update-10th-april-2020/>
>
> [*UPDATE 11th April*: I recorded a short video
> <https://youtu.be/p7N7iui5eeY> on Deer Springs Trail at the top of Seven
> Pines Trail late this morning. Snow was deep ? for an April storm ? on the
> west side, but I forgot to mention in the video that on the eastern side at
> similar elevation (Long Valley) there is less than half the depth of snow.]
> Jon, provides a tremendous service to the hiking community, spending
> (probably) more real time out- and up... on the mountain, than anybody else
> on the planet.
> Thank you Jon!
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Paint YW
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> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Hough reading PCT-L <pctl at oakapple.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] last man on the AT
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> Another stubborn hiker comes home, this time on his own steam.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/opinion/coronavirus-appalachian-trail.html
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> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:12:19 -0400
> From: "bobandshell97" <bobandshell97 at verizon.net>
> To: "'Paint YW'" <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>,
>? ? ? ? <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
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> It's been so long since I have posted this may not even make it to the
> list.
>
> All of us have memories of our own traverse(s) along Apache Peak.? I think
> I can visualize exactly where Trevor fell.? My 2nd time across there was
> just
> after the KO about 15 years ago and there were suddenly encountered
> icy patches on the suddenly steeply-sloping treadway with a big suddenly
> noticed huge drop-off right there.? I was suddenly so scared I froze for a
> minute before slowly inching across. In short... a sudden lot of
> "suddenlys."
> I had instep crampons with me, but the trail had been dry and I could see
> the trail was dry beyond.? Stop and put the insteps on for about 10 yards
> and then remove them immediately?? Of course I should have... but didn't.
> We all take calculated risks at times.? I was lucky... and potentially
> stupid.
>
> But the main reason I'm posting is that on my first time across that very
> stretch on Apache Peak in 1985, my partner and I began smelling a truly
> horrible smell.? It filled the entire basin to the right and was so foul
> you
>
> could hardly breathe.? No ice then and we hurried past.? A couple days
> later we ran into a ranger who told us a horse packer had crossed there
> several weeks earlier and one of his horses had slipped and fallen to its
> death far below.? Even a four-footed (4WD), otherwise sure-footed animal
> had trouble at that very spot.
>
> Paint YW, forgive my quirky sense of humor:? Your suggested posted
> admonition of " Warning to all who enter!" instantly reminded me of
> Dante's "Lasciate Ogne Speranza, Voi Ch'intrate" (Abandon hope, ye
> who enter here).? You know... something stronger, to really catch the
> hiker's attention!? :)? -? Dr. Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Paint YW
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
>
> First, I want to acknowledge the tremendous loss of a human life, perishing
> off the side of Mt San Jacinto, and the poignant tribute that the hiker's
> father fearlessly composed and bravely shared with the hiking community. I
> cannot begin to grasp the depth of sorrow the parents of this young man
> must be feeling. In one moment, your loved one is pursuing the dream of a
> lifetime, and in the next moment, they are forever transformed into the
> absolutely unwanted realm of eternal memories. Other words escape me...
>
> That this young man would not perish in vein, perhaps the hiking community
> could give others a better chance to live by warning them of the perils in
> unpreparedness up in the big mountains?
>
> I wondered if attributing to- Trevor's life well lived, a cautionary yet
> honorary reminder, aimed at those hiking into the big mountains, that might
> be learned, by educating them with a proactive slogan.
>
> Something like: Trevor's Law, or Trevor's Tip.
>
> Which might read- "It is better to have your mountaineering gear, and not
> use it, than to need your mountaineering gear, and not have it."
>
> Folks, I went to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit's website, and reviewed
> all 19 rescues off of Mt. San Jacinto, to date, this year, and the recovery
> of Trevor's body, wasn't the only technical rescue / recovery mission
> conducted involving PCT hikers specifically.
>
> RMRU
> Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, A California Search and Rescue Team
>
> https://rmru.org/
>
> MISSIONS 2020-019
>
> https://rmru.org/missions/
>
> PCT Hikers Apache Peak (Trevor's recovery)
>
> https://rmru.org/2020/03/27/2020-016/
>
> Almost every hiker rescued, lacked traction devices and ice axes! This is
> already happening in February, March and April ! One hiker injured their
> hip, but could not walk out, as reported, on their own. It turns out that
> they could self ambulate. The fall that injured them, also broke their
> phone, which was the only navigation device in hand. The hiker was then, in
> essence, lost- and unable, or unwilling to extract themselves.
>
> This lack of self sufficiency, is repeating itself, over, and over, and
> over. The hikers are treating the rescue teams like Uber or Lyft drivers.
>
> None of this has anything to do with the COVID 19 outbreak, by the way.
> Just hikers stumbling about on top of a big mountain.
>
> They are called "the big mountains" because they are "big mountains" and
> all that comes with recreating in the big mountains, is there for all to
> experience.
>
> Maybe... there needs to be a cautionary warning sign placed at the
> trailhead parking lot at PCT mile marker # 152.
>
> Something like:
>
> Warning to all who enter!
> These are big mountains.
> Weather conditions can change in minutes.
> Trail conditions can become treacherous and life threatening.
> Mountaineering gear may become necessary to enter and exit safely.
> Know your skill level and act accordingly.
> You are responsible for your own well being.
> You may be called upon to save someone else's life.
> Are you prepared and equipped?
> Enter at your own risk.
>
> Me, to you, the reader- >>> Long time no see / no talk.. to the good hiking
> folks here at the PCT-L.
>
> All the best-
>
> Paint YW
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:14:14 -0400
From: gary at hbfun.org
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trevor's Eternal Trail
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? 
 It seems like there has almost been a sort of perfect storm on the
PCT. The long drought in California coincided with a big increase in
hikers and PCT vloggers. Newcomers research the PCT and all they see
are the unusually dry conditions of the drought years shown on
youtube. It ain't necessarily so.
 RIP to the fallen hiker.
 Gary
 On Mon 13/04/20 11:12 AM , "bobandshell97" bobandshell97 at verizon.net
sent:
 It's been so long since I have posted this may not even make it to
the list.
 All of us have memories of our own traverse(s) along Apache Peak.? I
think 
 I can visualize exactly where Trevor fell.? My 2nd time across there
was
 just 
 after the KO about 15 years ago and there were suddenly encountered 
 icy patches on the suddenly steeply-sloping treadway with a big
suddenly 
 noticed huge drop-off right there.? I was suddenly so scared I froze
for a 
 minute before slowly inching across. In short... a sudden lot of
 "suddenlys." 
 I had instep crampons with me, but the trail had been dry and I could
see 
 the trail was dry beyond.? Stop and put the insteps on for about 10
yards 
 and then remove them immediately?? Of course I should have... but
didn't.
 We all take calculated risks at times.? I was lucky... and
potentially
 stupid.
 But the main reason I'm posting is that on my first time across that
very 
 stretch on Apache Peak in 1985, my partner and I began smelling a
truly 
 horrible smell.? It filled the entire basin to the right and was so
foul you
 could hardly breathe.? No ice then and we hurried past.? A couple
days 
 later we ran into a ranger who told us a horse packer had crossed
there 
 several weeks earlier and one of his horses had slipped and fallen to
its 
 death far below.? Even a four-footed (4WD), otherwise sure-footed
animal
 had trouble at that very spot.
 Paint YW, forgive my quirky sense of humor:? Your suggested posted 
 admonition of " Warning to all who enter!" instantly reminded me of 
 Dante's "Lasciate Ogne Speranza, Voi Ch'intrate" (Abandon hope, ye 
 who enter here).? You know... something stronger, to really catch the

 hiker's attention!? :)? -? Dr. Bob
 

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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 15 15:21:51 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:21:51 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Getting back
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To those who went home. Thank you for being aware and caring enough to make that choice for all of the reasons of which we are certainly  aware. It was never about you. It was about the harm you could do to others. 
Remember the traditional start days for the Sierra used to be June 13-15. That?s a long way away. The backcountry could open up again. Then it would be a flip flop back to Kennedy Meadows or Walker Pass or 58 and head south. In that way you would not have to be concerned about getting through the Sierra on a southbound thru. Or you could start later from South Lake Tahoe or Hwy 80. There are so many possibilities. Of course the obvious one being a s-bound thru starting in July. 
Part of the challenge of a long hike is something terrible happening and figuring out how to handle it. High Snow, injury, fire closings?these and more have all been thrown at all of us. Sometimes all in the same year. The first day of my southbound AT hike I fell on Katadin and broke 6 ribs. Separate from the physical pain ,I know what means to have that emotional ache in your insides when you have to go home. That level of pain is hard to absorb. 
It?s a wrenching loss. 
I hope that all of you can get back out there I know that it?s not going to happen. 
It takes so much to make that commitment. This takes the strength right out of you to be forced to stop. You had it once. You can find it again
All the best. I?ll see you on some trail some day
Marmot


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From douglastow at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 16:43:42 2020
From: douglastow at gmail.com (Douglas Tow)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:43:42 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Logistics for a reopened trail
Message-ID: <CAOOqOOuhkaPCRDbqAULfkKm1EN7gScfvPGL3dyJJbUihLn3UTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, fine folks,

First, thanks for the humor and decency that this list has maintained for
years.  I'm not on Facebook, and happy to avoid the garbage.

A reopened trail would still be a very interesting thing.  It's hard to see
hundreds and hundreds of hikers having put their life on hold awaiting such
good news that may never come, to then enter the trail where they can.
Then, consider the logistics.  The trail would present itself as perhaps it
was 20+ years ago - certainly a joy and challenge for the experienced, but
a danger to the rest.  No hiker havens, little in the nature of continuous
trail reports, unreliable caches, and trail conditions (think washouts,
bridges, and blowdowns) basically unaddressed by normal trail crews.

Very popular spots may not be available at all, such as both KMs, VVR,
Mazama village, and so on.  They might not even open this year.  Having
spent many, many days over the last 9 years at Sonora Pass and Ebbetts
Pass, I can imagine hours passing between cars, much less those willing to
take a hiker onboard.

On the plus side, there are uncounted stories of willing folks out there
helping hikers this year, despite current affairs.  Wow.

Cheers,

Chipmunk

From JimLBanks at verizon.net  Wed Apr 15 17:14:23 2020
From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (JimLBanks at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:14:23 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Logistics for a reopened trail
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The PCT trail crews just received notification today that all trail
maintenance is now cancelled until at least June 1st.  I know that with all
the recent rains in Southern California we have lots trail maintenance that
needs to be done that is stacking up.  Once they let us back out, it will
take several months or more to get the trail into decent shape again.

I-Beam 

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> On Behalf Of Douglas Tow
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 2:44 PM
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Logistics for a reopened trail

Hello, fine folks,

First, thanks for the humor and decency that this list has maintained for
years.  I'm not on Facebook, and happy to avoid the garbage.

A reopened trail would still be a very interesting thing.  It's hard to see
hundreds and hundreds of hikers having put their life on hold awaiting such
good news that may never come, to then enter the trail where they can.
Then, consider the logistics.  The trail would present itself as perhaps it
was 20+ years ago - certainly a joy and challenge for the experienced, but a
danger to the rest.  No hiker havens, little in the nature of continuous
trail reports, unreliable caches, and trail conditions (think washouts,
bridges, and blowdowns) basically unaddressed by normal trail crews.

Very popular spots may not be available at all, such as both KMs, VVR,
Mazama village, and so on.  They might not even open this year.  Having
spent many, many days over the last 9 years at Sonora Pass and Ebbetts Pass,
I can imagine hours passing between cars, much less those willing to take a
hiker onboard.

On the plus side, there are uncounted stories of willing folks out there
helping hikers this year, despite current affairs.  Wow.

Cheers,

Chipmunk
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From hikermiker at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 20 05:36:58 2020
From: hikermiker at yahoo.com (Mike Cunningham)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:36:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Trouble is Back in Town
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 Switchback come back.

We need your Super Secrets and your fizzy pink slippers.
     On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 03:25:15 PM EDT, Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi gang,
TROUBLE? IS BACK IN TOWN,....the girls are dancing in the streets & the 
guys are gnashing
their teeth.

I see the PCT List is somewhat alive and kicking again...that is good 
news for the hiking community.
I remember when the list used to have several hundred messages every month.

After several month of almost no messages on the list I thought it died 
after "Switchback"
stopped participating.
Switchback, with his vast backpacking knowledge and trail humor, was the 
"MAGNET" on
this list that drew backpackers from all corners of the world to this 
list to read his backpacking
words of wisdom and chuckle at his trail humor.

COME BACK SWITCHBACK.....THE LIST NEEDS YOU.

JMT Reinhold
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 21 11:00:32 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:00:32 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
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Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
Julian
Idyllwild
Big Bear
Lone Pine
Independence 
Bishop
Mammoth Lakes
Lee Vining
South Lake Tahoe
Truckee

These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age. 
Marmot



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From moodyjj at comcast.net  Tue Apr 21 11:29:10 2020
From: moodyjj at comcast.net (JAMES MOODY)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:29:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
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Great info and warnings.  But how do we get this message to hikers who are now on the Trail?  I'd guess that most if not all don't even belong to the list, much less read it.  Signs at trail heads?  One-on-one pleadings at trail heads?

I live in TN, so obviously I can't volunteer to hang out at a trail head to meet hikers.

Mango
> On April 21, 2020 at 12:00 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
> Julian
> Idyllwild
> Big Bear
> Lone Pine
> Independence 
> Bishop
> Mammoth Lakes
> Lee Vining
> South Lake Tahoe
> Truckee
> 
> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age. 
> Marmot
> 
> 
> 
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From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 11:35:21 2020
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:35:21 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
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The PCTA is doing a good job getting the word out.

On 4/21/2020 10:29 AM, JAMES MOODY wrote:
> Great info and warnings.  But how do we get this message to hikers who are now on the Trail?  I'd guess that most if not all don't even belong to the list, much less read it.  Signs at trail heads?  One-on-one pleadings at trail heads?
>
> I live in TN, so obviously I can't volunteer to hang out at a trail head to meet hikers.
>
> Mango
>> On April 21, 2020 at 12:00 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
>> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
>> Julian
>> Idyllwild
>> Big Bear
>> Lone Pine
>> Independence
>> Bishop
>> Mammoth Lakes
>> Lee Vining
>> South Lake Tahoe
>> Truckee
>>
>> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
>> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do.
>> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure.
>> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please.
>> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated.
>> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior.
>> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age.
>> Marmot
>>
>>
>>
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 21 11:41:36 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:41:36 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
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Hi back
I?m not on Facebook but if anyone else has access the Facebook 2020 ?Still Hiking?
Page you have permission to post this email to that and the other 2020 Facebook page. 
No one is trying to shame or demean you ?still hiking? PCT hikers. Just reaching out to state again what the problem is in hopes that this time you are open to hearing. It will not be long before the trails and towns open up again. In the mean time ,as our national death toll reaches 40,000 and still climbing, think of others. It?s been a few months since the first deaths?-40,000 people. The whole country is crying. 
Marmot
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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Great info and warnings.  But how do we get this message to hikers who are now on the Trail?  I'd guess that most if not all don't even belong to the list, much less read it.  Signs at trail heads?  One-on-one pleadings at trail heads?
> 
> I live in TN, so obviously I can't volunteer to hang out at a trail head to meet hikers.
> 
> Mango
>> On April 21, 2020 at 12:00 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
>> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
>> Julian
>> Idyllwild
>> Big Bear
>> Lone Pine
>> Independence 
>> Bishop
>> Mammoth Lakes
>> Lee Vining
>> South Lake Tahoe
>> Truckee
>> 
>> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
>> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
>> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
>> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
>> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
>> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
>> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age. 
>> Marmot
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jbruins at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 11:54:20 2020
From: jbruins at gmail.com (Jay Bruins)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 09:54:20 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
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The way you reach hikers is exactly the same way your reach anyone else: close all of the hotels and motels*. If they don?t want transients in their county, they close their facilities. This is exactly what other countries have done (see: South Africa). It?s nice to ?ask? and for a while that looked like it was working for, say, Sweden, but we now know that doesn?t work.

As much as I?d like to think of hikers as being ?good? people, at the end of they day they represent an increasingly broad swath of the population. This is great for diversity, but it really isn?t reasonable to expect them to behave differently than the average.

We have a government for a reason. Put it to work for you.

Cheers,
Armstrong

*Clearly allow some exception for necessary travel. I?m not writing policy here, just illustrating the broad strokes that are working elsewhere.

PS You will still need to reach trail angels that might bend over backward to help, but the towns know who those people are.
PPS Santa Cruz solved this problem quite easily: if you?re caught in public and your DL doesn?t show an address in the county, $1000 fine.

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 09:41, marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi back
> I?m not on Facebook but if anyone else has access the Facebook 2020 ?Still Hiking?
> Page you have permission to post this email to that and the other 2020 Facebook page. 
> No one is trying to shame or demean you ?still hiking? PCT hikers. Just reaching out to state again what the problem is in hopes that this time you are open to hearing. It will not be long before the trails and towns open up again. In the mean time ,as our national death toll reaches 40,000 and still climbing, think of others. It?s been a few months since the first deaths?-40,000 people. The whole country is crying. 
> Marmot
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Great info and warnings.  But how do we get this message to hikers who are now on the Trail?  I'd guess that most if not all don't even belong to the list, much less read it.  Signs at trail heads?  One-on-one pleadings at trail heads?
>> 
>> I live in TN, so obviously I can't volunteer to hang out at a trail head to meet hikers.
>> 
>> Mango
>>>> On April 21, 2020 at 12:00 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
>>> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
>>> Julian
>>> Idyllwild
>>> Big Bear
>>> Lone Pine
>>> Independence 
>>> Bishop
>>> Mammoth Lakes
>>> Lee Vining
>>> South Lake Tahoe
>>> Truckee
>>> 
>>> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
>>> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
>>> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
>>> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
>>> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
>>> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
>>> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age.
>>> Marmot
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From imscotty at aol.com  Tue Apr 21 12:13:32 2020
From: imscotty at aol.com (imscotty at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:13:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
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Marmot,
I would say the people left hiking were selfish individuals before their hike, and will remain so after their hike. ?The ones who are left seem to be some of the worst of humanity judging from their posts on the 'Still Hiking PCT' FB page. ?I got kicked off of there for disagreeing with their contentions that they were doing no harm. ?They are living in an echo-chamber and do not want to hear any one who disagrees.
Did you see the guy who called SAR at the Ranger station before Acton because he was a bit cold and did not want to walk the 8 miles downhill? ?He made a video defending his actions and lambasting the Ranger for telling him he should not be on the trail right now. ?Made me sick to watch it.
I worry that the damage that these people on the trail right now do to hiker relations with the PCT communities will be long lasting. ?:(
Scott

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From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 12:00 pm
Subject: [pct-l] Town closures

Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
Julian
Idyllwild
Big Bear
Lone Pine
Independence 
Bishop
Mammoth Lakes
Lee Vining
South Lake Tahoe
Truckee

These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably? with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.? Those? are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age. 
Marmot



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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 21 12:25:55 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:25:55 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
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Maybe I?m a Pollyanna but I still have hope. I realize some people just have a part of their brain that doesn?t light up. The empathy area. Sad. But let?s keep trying. 
I really think it will only a 3-4 week hiatus and it will be safe to go back out there. I could be wrong. 
My industry shut down over a month ago and will start up later than most because we work with such large crews. But, dead is forever. We want everyone safe. 
I forgot to say Yosemite is closed so that means Tuolomne Meadows closed. 
Marmot



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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:13 AM, "imscotty at aol.com" <imscotty at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Marmot,
> I would say the people left hiking were selfish individuals before their hike, and will remain so after their hike.  The ones who are left seem to be some of the worst of humanity judging from their posts on the 'Still Hiking PCT' FB page.  I got kicked off of there for disagreeing with their contentions that they were doing no harm.  They are living in an echo-chamber and do not want to hear any one who disagrees.
> Did you see the guy who called SAR at the Ranger station before Acton because he was a bit cold and did not want to walk the 8 miles downhill?  He made a video defending his actions and lambasting the Ranger for telling him he should not be on the trail right now.  Made me sick to watch it.
> I worry that the damage that these people on the trail right now do to hiker relations with the PCT communities will be long lasting.  :(
> Scott
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 12:00 pm
> Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
> 
> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
> Julian
> Idyllwild
> Big Bear
> Lone Pine
> Independence 
> Bishop
> Mammoth Lakes
> Lee Vining
> South Lake Tahoe
> Truckee
> 
> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age. 
> Marmot
> 
> 
> 
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From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net  Tue Apr 21 12:35:17 2020
From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:35:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
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Marmot you are right on. I can't believe how many people (hikers) that proclaim L N T still leave their trash everywhere. The same ones that don't know what stay home means. Take Care Be Safe,
?? GROUND POUNDER BILL 
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
Maybe I?m a Pollyanna but I still have hope. I realize some people just have a part of their brain that doesn?t light up. The empathy area. Sad. But let?s keep trying. 
I really think it will only a 3-4 week hiatus and it will be safe to go back out there. I could be wrong. 
My industry shut down over a month ago and will start up later than most because we work with such large crews. But, dead is forever. We want everyone safe. 
I forgot to say Yosemite is closed so that means Tuolomne Meadows closed. 
Marmot



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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:13 AM, "imscotty at aol.com" <imscotty at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Marmot,
> I would say the people left hiking were selfish individuals before their hike, and will remain so after their hike.? The ones who are left seem to be some of the worst of humanity judging from their posts on the 'Still Hiking PCT' FB page.? I got kicked off of there for disagreeing with their contentions that they were doing no harm.? They are living in an echo-chamber and do not want to hear any one who disagrees.
> Did you see the guy who called SAR at the Ranger station before Acton because he was a bit cold and did not want to walk the 8 miles downhill?? He made a video defending his actions and lambasting the Ranger for telling him he should not be on the trail right now.? Made me sick to watch it.
> I worry that the damage that these people on the trail right now do to hiker relations with the PCT communities will be long lasting.? :(
> Scott
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 12:00 pm
> Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
> 
> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
> Julian
> Idyllwild
> Big Bear
> Lone Pine
> Independence 
> Bishop
> Mammoth Lakes
> Lee Vining
> South Lake Tahoe
> Truckee
> 
> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably? with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.? Those? are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age. 
> Marmot
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From neil.lacey at comcast.net  Tue Apr 21 12:56:35 2020
From: neil.lacey at comcast.net (Neil Lacey)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:56:35 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
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I was all set to head out on the CDT NB but when the CDTC cancelled the 
shuttles and requested no thru hiking I bailed.

A fellow I hiked with last year on the PCT ignored the PCTA and is still 
out on the trail and posting on Instagram.

This really pissed me off, I guess partly because I cancelled my hike, 
and partly because I think it's not cool.

But there's no sense lashing out, he knows exactly he's doing and thinks 
it is justified. I've just disengaged.

Hopefully thing will get better soon.

Peace

N

On 4/21/2020 1:25 PM, marmot? wrote:
> Maybe I?m a Pollyanna but I still have hope. I realIize some people just have a part of their brain that doesn?t light up. The empathy area. Sad. But let?s keep trying.
> I really think it will only a 3-4 week hiatus and it will be safe to go back out there. I could be wrong.
> My industry shut down over a month ago and will start up later than most because we work with such large crews. But, dead is forever. We want everyone safe.
> I forgot to say Yosemite is closed so that means Tuolomne Meadows closed.
> Marmot
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:13 AM, "imscotty at aol.com" <imscotty at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Marmot,
>> I would say the people left hiking were selfish individuals before their hike, and will remain so after their hike.  The ones who are left seem to be some of the worst of humanity judging from their posts on the 'Still Hiking PCT' FB page.  I got kicked off of there for disagreeing with their contentions that they were doing no harm.  They are living in an echo-chamber and do not want to hear any one who disagrees.
>> Did you see the guy who called SAR at the Ranger station before Acton because he was a bit cold and did not want to walk the 8 miles downhill?  He made a video defending his actions and lambasting the Ranger for telling him he should not be on the trail right now.  Made me sick to watch it.
>> I worry that the damage that these people on the trail right now do to hiker relations with the PCT communities will be long lasting.  :(
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 12:00 pm
>> Subject: [pct-l] Town closures
>>
>> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
>> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
>> Julian
>> Idyllwild
>> Big Bear
>> Lone Pine
>> Independence
>> Bishop
>> Mammoth Lakes
>> Lee Vining
>> South Lake Tahoe
>> Truckee
>>
>> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
>> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do.
>> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure.
>> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please.
>> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated.
>> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior.
>> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age.
>> Marmot
>>
>>
>>
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From ckwrkornge at aol.com  Tue Apr 21 16:44:04 2020
From: ckwrkornge at aol.com (Christina)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:44:04 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] =?utf-8?q?Small_towns_in_SoCal_aren=E2=80=99t_closed_ecos?=
 =?utf-8?q?ystems?=
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As a Big Bear resident I find the stay away ?recommendation?  interesting as 80% of the homes here are rentals or second residents.  The hotels & rentals are (allegedly) closed.  Non-residents with second homes are not at all discouraged from coming up here.

We have 6 confirmed cases for a small 20k population.  A couple of weeks ago it was not uncommon for people from down the hill to come up here to raid our supermarket as a way to escape the busy ones in Redlands and San Bernardino.

The folks at the supermarket tell me they estimate 25-50% of people they see on any day are from out of town.  They are out of town as second home owners from LA, San Diego and other virus hot spots, and their friends, families, etc are here now too.

While I can?t in any way advocate people staying on the trail, the idea that mountain towns are pristine, closed ecosystems is incorrect.  Anyone who is hiking can interpret this as: any small town Bridgeport or south is full of LA people and the associated microbiomes.  You are putting yourself at a higher risk by coming here.  Our hospital is tiny and it is a very expensive flight to a hospital down the hill.  There hasn?t been TP or hand sanitizer at the store for six weeks.  Make good choices.

EP


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> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
> Julian
> Idyllwild
> Big Bear
> Lone Pine
> Independence 
> Bishop
> Mammoth Lakes
> Lee Vining
> South Lake Tahoe
> Truckee
> 
> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age. 
> Marmot
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:29:10 -0400 (EDT)
> From: JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> To: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>, PCT
>    <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Town closures
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> Great info and warnings.  But how do we get this message to hikers who are now on the Trail?  I'd guess that most if not all don't even belong to the list, much less read it.  Signs at trail heads?  One-on-one pleadings at trail heads?
> 
> I live in TN, so obviously I can't volunteer to hang out at a trail head to meet hikers.
> 
> Mango
>> On April 21, 2020 at 12:00 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
>> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
>> Julian
>> Idyllwild
>> Big Bear
>> Lone Pine
>> Independence 
>> Bishop
>> Mammoth Lakes
>> Lee Vining
>> South Lake Tahoe
>> Truckee
>> 
>> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
>> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
>> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
>> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
>> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
>> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
>> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age. 
>> Marmot
>> 
>> 
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> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:35:21 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Town closures
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> The PCTA is doing a good job getting the word out.
> 
>> On 4/21/2020 10:29 AM, JAMES MOODY wrote:
>> Great info and warnings.  But how do we get this message to hikers who are now on the Trail?  I'd guess that most if not all don't even belong to the list, much less read it.  Signs at trail heads?  One-on-one pleadings at trail heads?
>> 
>> I live in TN, so obviously I can't volunteer to hang out at a trail head to meet hikers.
>> 
>> Mango
>>>> On April 21, 2020 at 12:00 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
>>> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
>>> Julian
>>> Idyllwild
>>> Big Bear
>>> Lone Pine
>>> Independence
>>> Bishop
>>> Mammoth Lakes
>>> Lee Vining
>>> South Lake Tahoe
>>> Truckee
>>> 
>>> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
>>> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do.
>>> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure.
>>> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please.
>>> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated.
>>> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior.
>>> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age.
>>> Marmot
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:41:36 +0000
> From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> To: JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Town closures
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> Hi back
> I?m not on Facebook but if anyone else has access the Facebook 2020 ?Still Hiking?
> Page you have permission to post this email to that and the other 2020 Facebook page. 
> No one is trying to shame or demean you ?still hiking? PCT hikers. Just reaching out to state again what the problem is in hopes that this time you are open to hearing. It will not be long before the trails and towns open up again. In the mean time ,as our national death toll reaches 40,000 and still climbing, think of others. It?s been a few months since the first deaths?-40,000 people. The whole country is crying. 
> Marmot
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Great info and warnings.  But how do we get this message to hikers who are now on the Trail?  I'd guess that most if not all don't even belong to the list, much less read it.  Signs at trail heads?  One-on-one pleadings at trail heads?
>> 
>> I live in TN, so obviously I can't volunteer to hang out at a trail head to meet hikers.
>> 
>> Mango
>>>> On April 21, 2020 at 12:00 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
>>> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
>>> Julian
>>> Idyllwild
>>> Big Bear
>>> Lone Pine
>>> Independence 
>>> Bishop
>>> Mammoth Lakes
>>> Lee Vining
>>> South Lake Tahoe
>>> Truckee
>>> 
>>> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
>>> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
>>> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
>>> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
>>> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
>>> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
>>> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age. 
>>> Marmot
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 09:54:20 -0700
> From: Jay Bruins <jbruins at gmail.com>
> To: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> Cc: JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net>, PCT <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Town closures
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> The way you reach hikers is exactly the same way your reach anyone else: close all of the hotels and motels*. If they don?t want transients in their county, they close their facilities. This is exactly what other countries have done (see: South Africa). It?s nice to ?ask? and for a while that looked like it was working for, say, Sweden, but we now know that doesn?t work.
> 
> As much as I?d like to think of hikers as being ?good? people, at the end of they day they represent an increasingly broad swath of the population. This is great for diversity, but it really isn?t reasonable to expect them to behave differently than the average.
> 
> We have a government for a reason. Put it to work for you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Armstrong
> 
> *Clearly allow some exception for necessary travel. I?m not writing policy here, just illustrating the broad strokes that are working elsewhere.
> 
> PS You will still need to reach trail angels that might bend over backward to help, but the towns know who those people are.
> PPS Santa Cruz solved this problem quite easily: if you?re caught in public and your DL doesn?t show an address in the county, $1000 fine.
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 09:41, marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi back
>> I?m not on Facebook but if anyone else has access the Facebook 2020 ?Still Hiking?
>> Page you have permission to post this email to that and the other 2020 Facebook page. 
>> No one is trying to shame or demean you ?still hiking? PCT hikers. Just reaching out to state again what the problem is in hopes that this time you are open to hearing. It will not be long before the trails and towns open up again. In the mean time ,as our national death toll reaches 40,000 and still climbing, think of others. It?s been a few months since the first deaths?-40,000 people. The whole country is crying. 
>> Marmot
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:29 AM, JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Great info and warnings.  But how do we get this message to hikers who are now on the Trail?  I'd guess that most if not all don't even belong to the list, much less read it.  Signs at trail heads?  One-on-one pleadings at trail heads?
>>> 
>>> I live in TN, so obviously I can't volunteer to hang out at a trail head to meet hikers.
>>> 
>>> Mango
>>>>> On April 21, 2020 at 12:00 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Not that a lot of current PCT hikers read this site but I thought I would pass on this information.
>>>> Towns that have asked non locals to stay away:
>>>> Julian
>>>> Idyllwild
>>>> Big Bear
>>>> Lone Pine
>>>> Independence 
>>>> Bishop
>>>> Mammoth Lakes
>>>> Lee Vining
>>>> South Lake Tahoe
>>>> Truckee
>>>> 
>>>> These are the towns of which I am sure. There may be more
>>>> The latest statistics from LA county show that thousands of people are testing positive for the antibodies that were never symptomatic. The medical fact still is that you can drag the virus from town to town without knowing it. There are still a lot of hikers on the trail. From what I am reading of the trail journals no one is practicing social distancing. They don?t even understand the concept. They still group together to camp. They still stay in motels. They still hitch to town. They still take public transit. This is a highly contagious virus. This is not about you. It?s about vulnerable people in small town,probably  with no health insurance. I?ve stopped watching their UTube videos because their self serving excuses make me cringe. They state what they plan to do and when they get cold or dirty or low on food they do what is convenient. No one is carrying two weeks of food as they claimed they planned to do. 
>>>> These towns do not have hospitals. They do not have the infrastructure. 
>>>> You still have time to do a flip flop. You still have time to start southbound. Wait until it?s safe please. 
>>>> And no more campfires please. We don?t need a wildfire on top of everything else. This is clueless behavior that is on the level of putting up your tent in a dry wash with a major rain storm coming in.  Those  are just a couple of the behaviors that could require a rescue and about which these hikers seem to be uneducated. 
>>>> The whole hiking community has worked diligently to counteract bad hiker behavior. 
>>>> Don?t wreck it in one year. Don?t kill someone in a town please. Part of the value of long distance hiking is self reflection and character building. It hurts to go home. It feels like failure. You can actually grow up no matter what your age.
>>>> Marmot
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From hiker97 at aol.com  Wed Apr 22 13:12:07 2020
From: hiker97 at aol.com (hiker97 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:12:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] First Quiz
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Hiker Mike wrote: We need your Super Secrets and your fizzy pink slippers.Switchback the Trail Pirate replies: I have been thinking of starting a weekly quiz on this list.? Just to see how many people really know about backpacking.? I think one of the prizes for correct answers would be me signing their backpack, when we meet on the PCT.? This would make their pack very valuable and a collector's item.? Okay, here is a first?question for all you hardcore backpackers.? This question is in two parts:? First, what is the easiest and correct way to pick-up and hold a hiking pole for use on the trail?? Second, what is the most important pole part for using?a?hiking pole correctly and why?? Now, this question refers to a regular hiking or trekking pole and not a?super light-weight hiking-balancing pole with a keeper hand cord.? I am always, your humble and obedient servant, etc., etc., etc.?--- Sir Switchback of the Trail Pirate

From hikermiker at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 22 17:56:22 2020
From: hikermiker at yahoo.com (Mike Cunningham)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:56:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] First Quiz
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 Yay, Welcome back. Of course I dunno. I have only been using hiking poles for 20 years. I defer to your vast knowledge.

HM
     On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 02:12:14 PM EDT, <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:  
 
 Hiker Mike wrote: We need your Super Secrets and your fizzy pink slippers.Switchback the Trail Pirate replies: I have been thinking of starting a weekly quiz on this list.? Just to see how many people really know about backpacking.? I think one of the prizes for correct answers would be me signing their backpack, when we meet on the PCT.? This would make their pack very valuable and a collector's item.? Okay, here is a first?question for all you hardcore backpackers.? This question is in two parts:? First, what is the easiest and correct way to pick-up and hold a hiking pole for use on the trail?? Second, what is the most important pole part for using?a?hiking pole correctly and why?? Now, this question refers to a regular hiking or trekking pole and not a?super light-weight hiking-balancing pole with a keeper hand cord.? I am always, your humble and obedient servant, etc., etc., etc.?--- Sir Switchback of the Trail Pirate  

From hiker97 at aol.com  Thu Apr 23 11:48:45 2020
From: hiker97 at aol.com (hiker97 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 16:48:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Quiz One Reply
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Andy wrote: Use the strap. Put your hand in the strap from the bottom so you hold the pole with your finger tips. That way the weight is shifted to your wrists. The simple act of not gripping the pole tightly saves energy. It is also calming. A Zen thing.Switchback replies: This is outstanding and spoken like a true hardcore backpacker.? Yes, you grip the pole and then slide your hand up the pole shaft through the strap and grip the pole.? The strap must correctly adjusted, so the fat part of the strap fits across the fat part of the hand below the little finger.? It should be snug, but not tight.? This is the key to using the hiking pole correctly.? It transfers some of the pack weight and body weight to the pole.? Of course, for normal use the poles should be adjusted, so that your arms are parallel to the ground.

From hiker97 at aol.com  Thu Apr 23 12:21:55 2020
From: hiker97 at aol.com (hiker97 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:21:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Quiz Two
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Switchback the Trail Pirate writes: For our second and week two quiz, I want to ask about one of our mentors and inspirations, John Muir.? We all know he made many walks in the Sierras and elsewhere.? The question is what was the term he was most comfortable with in describing his movement through the countryside, especially in the Sierras?? Second, what term normally used today to describe?moving along a trail, that he did not like at all and why?? I am as always, your most humble and obedient servant, etc., etc., etc.?--- Sir Switchback of the Trail Pirate

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Switchback the Trail Pirate writes: For our second and week two quiz, I want to ask about one of our mentors and inspirations, John Muir.? We all know he made many walks in the Sierras and elsewhere.? The question is what was the term he was most comfortable with in describing his movement through the countryside, especially in the Sierras?? Second, what term normally used today to describe?moving along a trail, that he did not like at all and why?? I am as always, your most humble and obedient servant, etc., etc., etc.?--- Sir Switchback of the Trail Pirate

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From JimLBanks at verizon.net  Fri Apr 24 20:06:14 2020
From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (JimLBanks at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:06:14 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Kick Off
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This would have been the weekend of the Kick Off if it were still being
held.  Brings back some great memories of hooking up with friends I made on
the trail over the years.

 

I-Beam


From pctl at oakapple.net  Fri Apr 24 20:40:53 2020
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:40:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Kick Off
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> This would have been the weekend of the Kick Off


In 2001-2002 I camped at Lake Morena, before the kickoff consumed the
entire park.    In 2003 I was in France, then starting at 2004 I stayed
at Ayres Lodge Alpine.  I would have been driving down to Alpine today.

But the kickoff's time has passed - 
it couldn't scale with the popularity of the trail.
If it had continued, it would have been cancelled this year, and that
would probably have been the end of it.

http://pcnst.oakapple.net/photo/other-pct/adz/

From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 24 21:21:48 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:21:48 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Kick Off
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I miss the Kick- off and what it morphed into the Stealth Kickoff. But I am thankful to all those hikers who cared enough to stay home until it is safe to hike again. I miss getting to see that group of hikers and helpers in April. 
See you at the Stealth-KO next year. Don?t forget the Gathering in Sept. 
Marmot

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> ?This would have been the weekend of the Kick Off if it were still being
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> the trail over the years.
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From carlito at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 21:44:19 2020
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 19:44:19 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Kick Off
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Kickoff could scale, and it did (from fewer than 100 attendees in 1999 to
well over 1000 in 2015).
It's the trail that can't handle the bigger crowds, and it was for the good
of the trail that kickoff ended.


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> But the kickoff's time has passed -
> it couldn't scale with the popularity of the trail.
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From wildvagabond at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 24 23:10:54 2020
From: wildvagabond at yahoo.com (wildvagabond)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 21:10:54 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Muir
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Muir liked to talk of "sauntering."And, he would have deployed the behavior in "fastest known time."That's my answer, and I'm sticking with it.?Wild Vagabond.?Wherever you go there you are, Rob?

From gary at hbfun.org  Sat Apr 25 11:06:18 2020
From: gary at hbfun.org (gary at hbfun.org)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:06:18 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Kick Off
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  The
2009 kickoff was fun. Remember I-Beam, we were in the section hiker
exclusion zone? It was nice that the let us have coffee and a burrito
Sunday mornbing, it was cold.
 We still hike with Lightened Up.
 Gary
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 This would have been the weekend of the Kick Off if it were still
being
 held.  Brings back some great memories of hooking up with friends I
made on
 the trail over the years.
 I-Beam
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 25 13:46:31 2020
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From: marmot marmot

?Just to add to the info out there, and to support the list of small towns who have asked the hikers( and other out of towners) to stay home. A nursing home in LA county was able to get ahold of enough tests to check all their staff and residents. 75% of residents and 90% of the staff tested positive. Very few of these people showed symptoms. You cannot know if you have the virus and are passing it on unless you are tested. I?m guessing that none of the current hikers on any of the trails have been tested.
They are clearly ?from their online blogs and blogs) not practicing social distancing. Not carrying two weeks of food as they claimed to be their plan. They ride in cars with no masks. They stand next to people in hotels and hostels with no masks. They just seem to not care or are missing the ability to understand the impact they could have. I have stopped looking at any current hikers online posts.  You still have plenty of time to start a sobo hike or a flip/flop. Don?t kill someone?s granny or baby because you can?t handle the emotional pain of putting your hike off until later. It?s sad that?s all. It?s not dead or causing death. This crisis will end.
Marmot

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From hiker97 at aol.com  Sat Apr 25 13:50:08 2020
From: hiker97 at aol.com (hiker97 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:50:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Super Secrets of Backpacking Quiz Two
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Nancy wrote:?Question #1 answer : sauntering.? In Wisconsin, my home State, the National Ice Age Trail Alliance has available as a resource:The Art of Sauntering: Games and Activities (courtesy of the Appalachian Trail Conservancy)Re. the second question I would have to guess the answer is hiking.? However, I do not why he did not like the word. I presume because it indicates a set pace and objective of reaching a fixed point as the main objective.Switchback the Trail Pirate replies:?Spoken like a true lover of the trail.? Yes, John Muir liked to use the word sauntering.? I think it is a great mind game on the trail to relax your pace on those long stretches.? "Remember, Switchback, you are sauntering the trail and not hiking it."? And your guess is a good one.? Mr. Muir did not like the word "hiking", since it made him think of a march or military exercise.? Another mind game I like is saying to myself, "Switchback, do not embrace the trail.? Let the trail embrace you.? Get into its rhythm."? The idea is not to bring your city and human civilization/expectations to the trail, but let yourself become part of the Rhythm of the Trail -- it is a marathon and not a race.? The sooner you do this, the more at peace you will be out there -- it is your real home.? The miles will roll by like a dream --- as long as you stay hydrated,?pace yourself,?and you are in decent hiking condition.

From hiker97 at aol.com  Sat Apr 25 14:31:58 2020
From: hiker97 at aol.com (hiker97 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 19:31:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Super Secrets of Backpacking --- Quiz Three
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Switchback the Trail Pirate writes: We all admire Ansel Adams (1902-1984) photos, especially of the Sierras.? He went on many expeditions to take his photos.? What kind of hiker do you think he was and why?? Take a guess.? I got my answer personally several years ago from one of his guides (1912-2016) into the Sierras in the old days and a John Muir (1838-1914) contemporary.? ?I am always, your most humble and obedient servant, etc., etc., etc., --- Sir Switchback of the Trail Pirate

From ndreon at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 25 16:18:41 2020
From: ndreon at yahoo.com (Nathan Dreon)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:18:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
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My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work out.
Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section hikeof the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South. ?
Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done on a bus.
If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far to thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
Thanks.

From pambryant58 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 16:34:59 2020
From: pambryant58 at gmail.com (Pamela Bryant)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 14:34:59 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
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Hi Nathan,

The PCT is closed.

It would be highly suggested to hold off until the trail is open and it is
*safe* to hike.

The trail is going nowhere.

Pam

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:19 PM Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work out.
> Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section hikeof
> the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South.
> Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The
> difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done on a
> bus.
> If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far to
> thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
> Thanks.
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From ndreon at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 25 17:01:46 2020
From: ndreon at yahoo.com (Nathan Dreon)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 22:01:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
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Thank you very much for the advice Pam, I intend to heed it.? I cancelled my thru hike before the PCTA asked people not to hike, it didn?t seem reasonable to proceed.



However, 3 months from now, in July, if the trail is open and it is safe to hike and there are no strong objections and it seems reasonable to me, I would like to start a section hike in Kennedy Meadows South.? So for planning purposes I am looking at how I might get to KMS.? Any advice on that topic would also be appreciated.

    On Saturday, April 25, 2020, 5:35:38 PM EDT, Pamela Bryant <pambryant58 at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Nathan,The PCT is closed.It would be highly?suggested to hold off until the trail is open and it is *safe* to hike.The trail is going nowhere.Pam
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:19 PM Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com> wrote:

My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work out.
Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section hikeof the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South. ?
Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done on a bus.
If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far to thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
Thanks.
  

From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 25 17:30:23 2020
From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 22:30:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
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When the trail opens take a bus to Mojave (if there is one anymore) then to GO a ride to WALKER PASS & THE PCT. A DAY OR 2 hike to KMS
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 Pamela Bryant <pambryant58 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nathan,

The PCT is closed.

It would be highly suggested to hold off until the trail is open and it is
*safe* to hike.

The trail is going nowhere.

Pam

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:19 PM Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work out.
> Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section hikeof
> the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South.
> Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The
> difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done on a
> bus.
> If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far to
> thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
> Thanks.
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 25 17:33:19 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 22:33:19 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
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The train gets you to Lancaster. That's from Union Station. Then it is a bus up the 395. Eastern Sierra Transit(?)At the road into Kennedy Meadows it would have to be a hitch, I am assuming. But if the backcountry opens up there will be people driving that road into the area. Maybe call the outfitters (Yogi and Worldwide?s store-at Kennedy Meadows)to see if they know if someone who shuttles. 
That same bus will take you to Lone Pine or Independence. Once again, if Calif is safe, there will be people driving in on both those roads. The hike into the trail from the campground (22 mile hitch from Lone Pine)to Cottonwood pass is about 4 1/2 miles. From Onion Valley (hitch from Independence) it?s 7 miles to trail. Both are a bit steep. But from Onion Valley it?s well graded. 
Another choice would be to take the same bus all the way to Mammoth. Another local bus to Red?s Meadow and about 1/4 mile hike to the trail
I would not suggest the trail up from Bishop just because it?s often in bad shape and this year there?s been no maintenance. 
Another thought is to go to Ridgecrest(same bus) then take a different small bus through the pass on 178(Walker Pass)They will drop you off at the trail. I have also hitched on that road. At that point you have around 2-3 days hike( can?t remember the miles)into Kennedy Meadows South. 
I?m guessing that the trail will open by then. Thank you for staying off trail until you would not do harm. 
Marmot

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> On Apr 25, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work out.
> Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section hikeof the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South.  
> Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done on a bus.
> If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far to thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
> Thanks.
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From mardav at charter.net  Sat Apr 25 17:42:36 2020
From: mardav at charter.net (Marion Davison)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:42:36 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] getting to Kennedy Meadows South
Message-ID: <de0d617c-c2f5-f317-dcdb-4fbf7308a108@charter.net>

Thank you to Marmot for graciously answering Nathan's question.
Advance planning is important and it helps maintain sanity at this time.
I also have a trip planned for mid July and since it is 12 weeks away, I 
am acting with confidence that it will happen.  So far I have invested 
$16 in a permit reservation.
I would add that trips out of South Lake (from Bishop) are inadvisable 
this year, as the road is going to be severely torn up and Inyo is 
recommending we stay away this year since road access will be limited or 
restricted.


From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net  Sat Apr 25 17:46:13 2020
From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 22:46:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Posts
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Does anyone see my posts because I don't and I used to. Ground Pounder Bill 

From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 25 17:47:01 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 22:47:01 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] getting to Kennedy Meadows South
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Thank you 
all the information is so useful. Of course all this is based on the safety of actually being on a plane,train, bus, hitch. I?m never advocating anyone going out there until the parks are open and the PCTA says that it is fine. 
Marmot

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> On Apr 25, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Marion Davison <mardav at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Thank you to Marmot for graciously answering Nathan's question.
> Advance planning is important and it helps maintain sanity at this time.
> I also have a trip planned for mid July and since it is 12 weeks away, I am acting with confidence that it will happen.  So far I have invested $16 in a permit reservation.
> I would add that trips out of South Lake (from Bishop) are inadvisable this year, as the road is going to be severely torn up and Inyo is recommending we stay away this year since road access will be limited or restricted.
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 25 17:53:07 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 22:53:07 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Staying sane
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I had planned to finish my AT hike in August. So I?m planning and hoping. But it may turn into sitting down for a good cry if I can?t do it. But, I?ve had to go home from hikes or not start them in past years. I?ll survive. 
Marmot


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From moodyjj at comcast.net  Sat Apr 25 17:57:58 2020
From: moodyjj at comcast.net (JAMES MOODY)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:57:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Staying sane
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What section of the AT?  I live close in NE TN / W NC.  Possible shuttling.
Mango
> On April 25, 2020 at 6:53 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I had planned to finish my AT hike in August. So I?m planning and hoping. But it may turn into sitting down for a good cry if I can?t do it. But, I?ve had to go home from hikes or not start them in past years. I?ll survive. 
> Marmot
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 25 18:19:25 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 23:19:25 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd:  Staying sane
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From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
Date: April 25, 2020 at 4:15:28 PM PDT
To: JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Subject: Re:  [pct-l] Staying sane

?Thank you so much. I got stopped in Maine last year with only 233 miles to go. I started too late and my gear could not handle the cold. It?s going to to be difficult to get back on at Hwy 17. That?s south of Rangeley -13 miles. No bus. It?s just going to be an expensive shuttle I guess. I?ve tried to ask for suggestions on White Blaze but for some reason it won?t let me on. Even when I changed my password. Oh well. No work so I have nothing else to do but struggle with a website
Thank you again for the offer
All the best
Marmot

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On Apr 25, 2020, at 3:58 PM, JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net> wrote:

?What section of the AT?  I live close in NE TN / W NC.  Possible shuttling.
Mango
On April 25, 2020 at 6:53 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:


I had planned to finish my AT hike in August. So I?m planning and hoping. But it may turn into sitting down for a good cry if I can?t do it. But, I?ve had to go home from hikes or not start them in past years. I?ll survive.
Marmot


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From imscotty at aol.com  Sat Apr 25 19:06:47 2020
From: imscotty at aol.com (imscotty at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 00:06:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Shuttle to Maine
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Marmot,
Concord Coach Lines runs a bus (not running now) every day from Boston / Logan Airport to Gorham, NH. ?You arrive Gorham in the evening, so you would want to get a room there for the night. ?From Gorham there are a few shuttlers who cover that area. ? You would still have another 60+ miles to go from Gorham, so I imagine this option would be very expensive.
?
So let me offer you a 'Plan B.'I cannot commit this far out, but it I am able I would be happy to help you. ?My own hiking plans for the summer are now unknown, but if I am still home in August I could pick you up at the airport in Boston, and drive you up. ?Just make this your plan B for now and then ask me as the time gets closer.
Scott


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From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
Date: April 25, 2020 at 4:15:28 PM PDT
To: JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Subject: Re:? [pct-l] Staying sane

?Thank you so much. I got stopped in Maine last year with only 233 miles to go. I started too late and my gear could not handle the cold. It?s going to to be difficult to get back on at Hwy 17. That?s south of Rangeley -13 miles. No bus. It?s just going to be an expensive shuttle I guess. I?ve tried to ask for suggestions on White Blaze but for some reason it won?t let me on. Even when I changed my password. Oh well. No work so I have nothing else to do but struggle with a website
Thank you again for the offer
All the best
Marmot

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On Apr 25, 2020, at 3:58 PM, JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net> wrote:

?What section of the AT?? I live close in NE TN / W NC.? Possible shuttling.
Mango
On April 25, 2020 at 6:53 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:


I had planned to finish my AT hike in August. So I?m planning and hoping. But it may turn into sitting down for a good cry if I can?t do it. But, I?ve had to go home from hikes or not start them in past years. I?ll survive.
Marmot


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From neil.lacey at comcast.net  Sat Apr 25 19:12:26 2020
From: neil.lacey at comcast.net (Neil Lacey)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 20:12:26 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Staying sane
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Hey Marmot,

I think you can catch a bus from Boston to Gorham, NH & pick up the AT 
there. It would mean repeating around 65 (pretty nice) miles or so, and 
Mahoosuc Notch!

Neil from around Boston who might head SB on the AT depending

> From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> Date: April 25, 2020 at 4:15:28 PM PDT
> To: JAMES MOODY <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re:  [pct-l] Staying sane
>
> ?Thank you so much. I got stopped in Maine last year with only 233 miles to go. I started too late and my gear could not handle the cold. It?s going to to be difficult to get back on at Hwy 17. That?s south of Rangeley -13 miles. No bus. It?s just going to be an expensive shuttle I guess. I?ve tried to ask for suggestions on White Blaze but for some reason it won?t let me on. Even when I changed my password. Oh well. No work so I have nothing else to do but struggle with a website
> Thank you again for the offer
> All the best
> Marmot
>

From gary at hbfun.org  Sun Apr 26 12:55:57 2020
From: gary at hbfun.org (gary at hbfun.org)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 13:55:57 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Super Secrets of Backpacking Quiz Two
Message-ID: <50987.1587923757@hbfun.org>

  On
Sat 25/04/20  2:50 PM , hiker97 at aol.com sent:
  The idea is not to bring your city and human
civilization/expectations to the trail, but let yourself become part
of the Rhythm of the Trail
 _______________________________________________
 Best thing you have ever written, and the truest.
 

From gary at hbfun.org  Sun Apr 26 13:09:16 2020
From: gary at hbfun.org (gary at hbfun.org)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:09:16 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
Message-ID: <51191.1587924556@hbfun.org>

  
 You can get a bus from LAX to Bakersfield, there are a few options.
Then Kern County Transit will drop you off at Walker Pass. Bus 227.
  https://kerntransit.org/
 It's just a couple of days to KM from there. Could be smoking hot in
July, though. It is a nice stretch, IMHO.
 A nice short side trip through there is up Mt. Jenkins, named after
one of the authors of the first editions of the Wilderness Press
guidebooks. Gives you good views of what's ahead.
 Gary
 On Sat 25/04/20  5:18 PM , Nathan Dreon ndreon at yahoo.com sent:
 My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work
out.
 Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section
hikeof the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South.  
 Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The
difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done
on a bus.
 If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far
to thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
 Thanks.
 

From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 26 15:01:17 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 20:01:17 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
In-Reply-To: <51191.1587924556@hbfun.org>
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That is the same bus ( Kern County Transit)that goes from Ridgecrest west through the pass. Call them though,because when I wanted to use that bus the service was every other day ,west to East and vice versa. That?s why I ended up hitching 
Marmot

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> On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:09 AM, "gary at hbfun.org" <gary at hbfun.org> wrote:
> 
> ?
> You can get a bus from LAX to Bakersfield, there are a few options.
> Then Kern County Transit will drop you off at Walker Pass. Bus 227.
>  https://kerntransit.org/
> It's just a couple of days to KM from there. Could be smoking hot in
> July, though. It is a nice stretch, IMHO.
> A nice short side trip through there is up Mt. Jenkins, named after
> one of the authors of the first editions of the Wilderness Press
> guidebooks. Gives you good views of what's ahead.
> Gary
> On Sat 25/04/20  5:18 PM , Nathan Dreon ndreon at yahoo.com sent:
> My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work
> out.
> Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section
> hikeof the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South.  
> Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The
> difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done
> on a bus.
> If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far
> to thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
> Thanks.
> 
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From franklin_qualls at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 26 17:03:27 2020
From: franklin_qualls at hotmail.com (Frank Qualls)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 22:03:27 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] getting to KMS
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I think the simplest route would be LAX to Bakersfield, Bakersfield to Lake Isabella, hitch to the trailhead, start going North

Not the prettiest terrain, but it will get you to the trail with less stress.

I?m hoping to start the AT somewhere mid-trail a couple of weeks after it opens (maybe mid-June to mid-July)

Warmest regards   -   Frank Qualls

el caminante    -   2000 miles on the PCT 2012

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:18:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com>
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
Message-ID: <1685607313.301387.1587849521111 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work out.
Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section hikeof the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South. ?
Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done on a bus.
If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far to thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
Thanks.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From belcherjd at juno.com  Mon Apr 27 00:46:16 2020
From: belcherjd at juno.com (belcherjd at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 05:46:16 GMT
Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 129, Issue 12
Message-ID: <20200426.224616.3774.0@webmail12.dca.untd.com>

Nathan, How about starting at RD0681 -  Canebreak Road to Chimney Creek.
That would be 20 miles south of KM.
You would take Canebreak Road of Hwy 178  about 9 miles west of Walker Pass and then about 10 miles up to the PCT on Canebreak Road.


'til later
Jon (Gandalf) Belcher
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:18:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com>
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
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My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work out.
Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section hikeof the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South. ?
Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done on a bus.
If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far to thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 09:42:09 -0600
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Another possibility - LAX to Ridgecrest (via 1-way car rental) or to Lone Pine via LA metrolink and ESTA bus. Lone Pine Kurt (661-972-9476,?lonepinekurt at aol.com) can pick you up at Ridgecrest (or Lone Pine) and take you to Horseshoe Meadows. Go south over Mulkey Pass and intersect the PCT there, about 30 mile N of KM.

Kurt would probably take you to Olancha Pass TH or KM too, but the latter would be pricey.

But give him a call - he is very accommodating and knowledgeable and will help you formulate a plan that works for you.

Best, Drew

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> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:18:41 +0000 (UTC)
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> My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work out.
> Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section hikeof the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South. ?
> Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done on a bus.
> If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far to thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
> Thanks.
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From gary at hbfun.org  Mon Apr 27 19:51:56 2020
From: gary at hbfun.org (gary at hbfun.org)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:51:56 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
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Not a bad idea! Olancha Pass is not too hard. If you got a predawn start
to beat the heat, you'd be up at the pass and have water available at
Summit Meadow just a bit past the pass in no time. 

>From Sage Flat to Olancha Pass to Summit Meadow is 7 miles and 3400' of
gain. Summit Meadow is a very reliable source of water year round and
good camping. 

Gary 

On 26.04.2020 13:04, Rodolfo Diaz wrote:

>> If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far 
>> to thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to?
> 
> north of kennedy meadows, access is from haiwee pass or olancha pass.  
> in a bygone era these passes were used to drive cattle into the meadows of what is presently named the golden trout wilderness. 
> these passes are a few miles north of the point where the pct crosses the south fork of the kern river.
> see link for map. 
> rudy 
> 
> https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd530918.pdf 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>; Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 26, 2020 11:09 am
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows South.
> 
> You can get a bus from LAX to Bakersfield, there are a few options. 
> Then Kern County Transit will drop you off at Walker Pass. Bus 227. 
> https://kerntransit.org/ 
> It's just a couple of days to KM from there. Could be smoking hot in 
> July, though. It is a nice stretch, IMHO. 
> A nice short side trip through there is up Mt. Jenkins, named after 
> one of the authors of the first editions of the Wilderness Press 
> guidebooks. Gives you good views of what's ahead. 
> Gary 
> On Sat 25/04/20  5:18 PM , Nathan Dreon ndreon at yahoo.com sent: 
> My thru hike was supposed to start earlier this month, it didn't work 
> out. 
> Assuming it is reasonable to do so I would like to start my section 
> hikeof the PCT in mid July at Kennedy Meadows South.  
> Can someone tell me how I might arrange to get to KMS from LAX?The 
> difficult part will be the last 20 miles, I think the rest can be done 
> on a bus. 
> If it is too hard could someone recommend a starting point not to far 
> to thenorth of KMS that would be easier to get to? 
> Thanks.