From temp3 at mflan.com Wed Jan 2 07:08:44 2019 From: temp3 at mflan.com (Mike) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 07:08:44 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Next Long Trail?....and Other Spectacular Hikes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <534aa41d-f7dd-3ac0-e5c4-21fa5565e909@mflan.com> Can we suggest they use yellow bricks :-) On 12/31/2018 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: > This makes me want to head south. > > https://www.afar.com/magazine/chile-opens-1700-mile-hiking-trail-connecting-17-national-parks > > > Yes Brick, From hiker97 at aol.com Wed Jan 2 13:56:09 2019 From: hiker97 at aol.com (hiker97 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 19:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] PCT List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <688569553.5219370.1546458969290@mail.yahoo.com> Reinhold wrote: The List needs Switchback's trail humor and wisdom to restore it to it's past old glory and make it, once again, the interesting and entertaining source for trail information for the PCT.? ?Switchback replies:?I appreciate the kind words, but I am the old and the new folks have their time now.? I will admit that I see folks still being influenced by marketing when it comes to gear, etc.? I do not know if it is correct, but I can tell in 10 seconds if a hiker is really a pro.? It is by what they are or are not wearing, including their backpack.? In other words how they are dressed out for the trail.? Even if it is a flip-flop hiker of the PCT.? I think to myself, "Gee, they could have done this better."? Strictly my opinion and nothing more from an old guy. ??, i From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net Thu Jan 3 09:04:11 2019 From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Hiking References: <2146725877.12430954.1546527851395.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2146725877.12430954.1546527851395@mail.yahoo.com> Replaced my recliner with a Treadmill trying to stay in shape, LOL BUT now living in North Idaho I can just watch videos of the PCT MISS it lots Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net Thu Jan 3 09:07:54 2019 From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] AKA References: <630445023.12416154.1546528074379.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <630445023.12416154.1546528074379@mail.yahoo.com> Ground Pou,der Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com From pctpanama at aol.com Thu Jan 3 14:32:58 2019 From: pctpanama at aol.com (Brian Gill) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 12:32:58 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! Message-ID: This list/Digest seems to have died. Also seems to just toss in punctuation anywhere and everywhere at random.. anyway here?s my question, What are through hikers using as the most popular communication tool up and down the trail prior to kick off , Gear choices etc.? Not interested in FBI book (Facebook). . :) "Sent from my iPhone" Brian From gary at hbfun.org Thu Jan 3 17:43:02 2019 From: gary at hbfun.org (Gary Schenk) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 15:43:02 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74b859577e00adccce6aa3e00f24121d.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> On Thu, January 3, 2019 12:32 pm, Brian Gill wrote: > This list/Digest seems to have died. Also seems to just toss in > punctuation anywhere and everywhere at random.. anyway here?s my question, > What are through hikers using as the most popular communication tool up > and down the trail prior to kick off , Gear choices etc.? Not > interested in FBI book (Facebook). . :) Reedit seems active. White Blaze has a PCT forum, but it's kind of slow. Gary From richardb10 at live.com Thu Jan 3 18:03:35 2019 From: richardb10 at live.com (Richard Brinkman) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 00:03:35 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: <74b859577e00adccce6aa3e00f24121d.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> References: <74b859577e00adccce6aa3e00f24121d.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> Message-ID: I swear I don't receive half of the posts on this list. I see replies to posts I have never seen... During my PCT hike in 2015, Gary posted - when I was at Cajon Pass - that snow was coming. I sent a message back to the list thanking him for that very important information. I am not sure he received it, nor anyone else. It could have been a life/death situation so I was very grateful. Roadwalker -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Gary Schenk Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 3:43 PM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] List dead!!! On Thu, January 3, 2019 12:32 pm, Brian Gill wrote: > This list/Digest seems to have died. Also seems to just toss in > punctuation anywhere and everywhere at random.. anyway here?s my question, > What are through hikers using as the most popular communication tool up > and down the trail prior to kick off , Gear choices etc.? Not > interested in FBI book (Facebook). . :) Reedit seems active. White Blaze has a PCT forum, but it's kind of slow. Gary _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pctl at oakapple.net Thu Jan 3 18:15:40 2019 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 16:15:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! Message-ID: <201901040015.x040FeGR021853@server-f.oakapple.net> pct-l is not dead. But many people honor the maxim "they that speak, do not know; they that know, do not speak". Even so I have gotten useful responses to most of my inquiries here. My last one, on irritable bowel syndrome on the trail, resulted in 53 accesses of the web page describing symptoms and treatments. Maybe some of them found the information useful, even if they had nothing more to contribute. Whenever I inquire about trail/road conditions before a trip, or report on them after a trip, I get useful feedback. So as far as I can tell, compared to 5 or 10 years ago, there's just as much signal and lots less noise. I'm grateful for that. David Hough http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/resources.html However I have heard that the digest can be flaky. I subscribe directly rather than through the digest, and so far haven't seen any responses to posts that I didn't also see the original for. From carlito at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 19:37:34 2019 From: carlito at gmail.com (Carl Siechert) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 17:37:34 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: References: <74b859577e00adccce6aa3e00f24121d.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> Message-ID: I find that Gmail puts a significant number of PCT-L posts in the spam folder, and I've never been able to train it otherwise. Maybe Outlook/Live is doing that to you. Check the spam folder, and then see if you have better success convincing it to whitelist PCT-L. Cheers, Kelty On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 4:03 PM Richard Brinkman wrote: > I swear I don't receive half of the posts on this list. I see replies to > posts I have never seen... From susanvirnig at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 22:31:52 2019 From: susanvirnig at gmail.com (Susan Virnig) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 20:31:52 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: References: <74b859577e00adccce6aa3e00f24121d.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> Message-ID: <6FBC430D-6EC3-4BD6-A5C0-8D5B9810C4D6@gmail.com> I am in the same situation as Roadwalker. For some reason, I also don?t receive all the posts, but often get the replies to posts I have not received. Usually I can figure out the thread of the conversation. > On Jan 3, 2019, at 4:03 PM, Richard Brinkman wrote: > > I swear I don't receive half of the posts on this list. I see replies to posts I have never seen... During my PCT hike in 2015, Gary posted - when I was at Cajon Pass - that snow was coming. I sent a message back to the list thanking him for that very important information. I am not sure he received it, nor anyone else. It could have been a life/death situation so I was very grateful. > > Roadwalker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Gary Schenk > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 3:43 PM > To: pct-l at backcountry.net > Subject: Re: [pct-l] List dead!!! > > On Thu, January 3, 2019 12:32 pm, Brian Gill wrote: >> This list/Digest seems to have died. Also seems to just toss in >> punctuation anywhere and everywhere at random.. anyway here?s my question, >> What are through hikers using as the most popular communication tool up >> and down the trail prior to kick off , Gear choices etc.? Not >> interested in FBI book (Facebook). . :) > > Reedit seems active. White Blaze has a PCT forum, but it's kind of slow. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From brick at brickrobbins.com Thu Jan 3 22:35:59 2019 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 20:35:59 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: <6FBC430D-6EC3-4BD6-A5C0-8D5B9810C4D6@gmail.com> References: <74b859577e00adccce6aa3e00f24121d.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> <6FBC430D-6EC3-4BD6-A5C0-8D5B9810C4D6@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:31 PM Susan Virnig wrote: > > I am in the same situation as Roadwalker. For some reason, I also don?t receive all the posts, but often get the replies to posts I have not received. Usually I can figure out the thread of the conversation. you can always read anything you missed at the archives. The link is in the footer of every email from the list http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ From troopharrison at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 08:20:59 2019 From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 08:20:59 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: References: <74b859577e00adccce6aa3e00f24121d.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> <6FBC430D-6EC3-4BD6-A5C0-8D5B9810C4D6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <570C7285-2499-49C3-AA87-8839B0A06873@gmail.com> I can?t remember how I first learned about the list - maybe the blog Halfway Anywhere. I don?t mind asking lots of questions, so I put myself out there. I was eager to learn anything I could about hiking, and the unfolding awareness of trail culture was like finding Narnia. Those first few months were dreamy. :D Back then there was a lot of ambient conversation. Kind of like a group email version of hikers sitting outside Mount Laguna Store. It was fun to follow along. Not sure why there?s less traffic but it seems like several cool pieces of hiker trash are still listening and willing to weigh in! Lord willing, I am planning to do a section of the Sierra next year - just got my bear can in! Hey I do have a question for those whom I haven?t lost. My favorite piece of gear is my Patagonia nano puff. Absolutely love that thing. Super warm. We camped on San Jac last year overlooking the Coachella Valley. Just about froze my butt off. I had on all of my layers and was extremely uncomfortable all night. So I know that I could use a slightly heavier coat for situations like that, still light weight as possible. Does anyone have a recommendation? I?ve heard trusted hikers recommend Mont Bell UL jackets. Thoughts? GoGo Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2019, at 10:35 PM, Brick Robbins wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:31 PM Susan Virnig wrote: >> >> I am in the same situation as Roadwalker. For some reason, I also don?t receive all the posts, but often get the replies to posts I have not received. Usually I can figure out the thread of the conversation. > > you can always read anything you missed at the archives. The link is > in the footer of every email from the list > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From laurie_h1234 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 4 08:52:28 2019 From: laurie_h1234 at yahoo.com (Laurie Hallum) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: <570C7285-2499-49C3-AA87-8839B0A06873@gmail.com> References: <74b859577e00adccce6aa3e00f24121d.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com> <6FBC430D-6EC3-4BD6-A5C0-8D5B9810C4D6@gmail.com> <570C7285-2499-49C3-AA87-8839B0A06873@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1321837075.6180229.1546613548759@mail.yahoo.com> I didn't see my post so I'm sending it again.? ? ?I have enjoyed reading the many informative and enlightening posts on the List from those with so much hiking/backpacking experience, and even found the disputes curious. ?I found others whose feet grew an extra shoe size as did my feet after long distance hiking. ?Snack and food ideas have been wonderful. ?I missed the posts when the List was temporarily not working for me.? ? ?I have connected with several hikers through the List looking for rides in Northern California and have given them transport. ?I even found the the Weed Greyhound Bus Station. ?We'd share stories and experiences, and enjoy the common interest of hiking the PCT. ?I get so uplifted and owe it to the List contributors.? ? ?The idea that Sunshine suggested about sharing hiking/backing stories on the List I feel is a great path. ?It could create interest and fun reading to experienced hikers as-well-as new comers. ?We just need people to contribute their stories like I just did. ?I know that I could and will share other stories. ?It's a connection.Happy trails,Lady Pegasus On Friday, January 4, 2019, 6:21:23 AM PST, Sabrina Harrison wrote: I can?t remember how I first learned about the list - maybe the blog Halfway Anywhere. I don?t mind asking lots of questions, so I put myself out there. I was eager to learn anything I could about hiking, and the unfolding awareness of trail culture was like finding Narnia. Those first few months were dreamy. :D Back then there was a lot of ambient conversation. Kind of like a group email version of hikers sitting outside Mount Laguna Store. It was fun to follow along. Not sure why there?s less traffic but it seems like several cool pieces of hiker trash are still listening and willing to weigh in! Lord willing, I am planning to do a section of the Sierra next year - just got my bear can in! Hey I do have a question for those whom I haven?t lost. My favorite piece of gear is my Patagonia nano puff. Absolutely love that thing. Super warm. We camped on San Jac last year overlooking the Coachella Valley. Just about froze my butt off. I had on all of my layers and was extremely uncomfortable all night. So I know that I could use a slightly heavier coat for situations like that, still light weight as possible. Does anyone have a recommendation? I?ve heard trusted hikers recommend Mont Bell UL jackets. Thoughts? GoGo Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2019, at 10:35 PM, Brick Robbins wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:31 PM Susan Virnig wrote: >> >> I am in the same situation as Roadwalker.? For some reason, I also don?t receive all the posts, but often get the replies to posts I have not received.? Usually I can figure out the thread of the conversation. > > you can always read anything you missed at the archives. The link is > in the footer of every email from the list > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From timpnye at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 10:59:31 2019 From: timpnye at gmail.com (timpnye) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 08:59:31 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: <570C7285-2499-49C3-AA87-8839B0A06873@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c2f9124.1c69fb81.97381.1643@mx.google.com> While Montbell has a great array of ultralight down jackets, the most utilitarian for its weight, in my opinion at least, is the Hooded Flash from Western Mountaineering. The keys are its hand warmer insulated front pockets and that hood. They come in different colors for women and I'd reccomend something bright that will contrast with various terrain so that you can use it to make yourself visible from the air,? just in case. Gourmet. -------- Original message --------From: Sabrina Harrison Date: 1/4/19 6:20 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Brick Robbins Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] List dead!!! I can?t remember how I first learned about the list - maybe the blog Halfway Anywhere. I don?t mind asking lots of questions, so I put myself out there. I was eager to learn anything I could about hiking, and the unfolding awareness of trail culture was like finding Narnia. Those first few months were dreamy. :D Back then there was a lot of ambient conversation. Kind of like a group email version of hikers sitting outside Mount Laguna Store. It was fun to follow along. Not sure why there?s less traffic but it seems like several cool pieces of hiker trash are still listening and willing to weigh in! Lord willing, I am planning to do a section of the Sierra next year - just got my bear can in! Hey I do have a question for those whom I haven?t lost. My favorite piece of gear is my Patagonia nano puff. Absolutely love that thing. Super warm. We camped on San Jac last year overlooking the Coachella Valley. Just about froze my butt off. I had on all of my layers and was extremely uncomfortable all night. So I know that I could use a slightly heavier coat for situations like that, still light weight as possible. Does anyone have a recommendation? I?ve heard trusted hikers recommend Mont Bell UL jackets. Thoughts? GoGo Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2019, at 10:35 PM, Brick Robbins wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:31 PM Susan Virnig wrote: >> >> I am in the same situation as Roadwalker.? For some reason, I also don?t receive all the posts, but often get the replies to posts I have not received.? Usually I can figure out the thread of the conversation. > > you can always read anything you missed at the archives. The link is > in the footer of every email from the list > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From JimLBanks at verizon.net Fri Jan 4 12:10:53 2019 From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (JimLBanks at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:10:53 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Severe restrictions on hiking portions of the PCT in Oregon coming Message-ID: <000001d4a458$d61402e0$823c08a0$@verizon.net> A heads up to everyone. The Forest Service is going to impose severe restrictions on the number of hikers allowed in the Three Sisters, Mt. Washington, and Mt. Jefferson wilderness areas starting in 2020. Also they are going to severely restrict the trailheads you can start from. The new rules are too extensive for me to set out here, but you can read all about it at pctoregon.com Go to the PCT news section on the website and then "New Access Limits Coming to Oregon PCT in 2020." Interestingly, it will not apply for holders of a PCT thru-hike permit (except for some restrictions on camping spots), but it will have a severe effect on section and day hikers. Once again section hikers get the shaft. You can posts comments on the website and they will pass them on to the Forest Service. I-Beam From timpnye at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 17:27:08 2019 From: timpnye at gmail.com (timpnye) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 15:27:08 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5c2febfe.1c69fb81.97381.4356@mx.google.com> Layering.? It's not just for the waking hours. -------- Original message --------From: Scott Williams Date: 1/4/19 10:42 AM (GMT-08:00) To: timpnye Cc: Sabrina Harrison , Brick Robbins , pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] List dead!!! I agree wholeheartedly with Gourmet on the Flash.? I've used the Hooded Flash Jacket from Western Mountaineering, for the past 10 years and still recommend it.? I own two, both the standard fabric and the water resistant.? In the Sierra the standard is fine, but in New Zealand, or back East, where there is so much more rainfall, I've felt a bit safer with the water resistant, which is a touch heavier.??I've slept in them to up the cold value of my sleeping system, and for really chilly times, like 0 degrees for days in the Smokies, or weeks of snow in the early season Sierra, have used the Western Mountaineering Down Pants as well.? With two pieces of down clothing as part of my sleeping system, it all becomes very flexible.? I can take a 20 degree bag and make it good to 0 degrees, and a 45 degree bag and make it good to 20.? Then, when things warm up, I just mail one, or both of these items home, and lose 1/2 to over a pound of warmth when I don't need it anymore.? I opted for this instead of a warmer bag, which never gets lighter over the course of a long hike. ? Shroomer On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:00 AM timpnye wrote: While Montbell has a great array of ultralight down jackets, the most utilitarian for its weight, in my opinion at least, is the Hooded Flash from Western Mountaineering. The keys are its hand warmer insulated front pockets and that hood. They come in different colors for women and I'd reccomend something bright that will contrast with various terrain so that you can use it to make yourself visible from the air,? just in case. Gourmet. -------- Original message --------From: Sabrina Harrison Date: 1/4/19? 6:20 AM? (GMT-08:00) To: Brick Robbins Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] List dead!!! I can?t remember how I first learned about the list - maybe the blog Halfway Anywhere. I don?t mind asking lots of questions, so I put myself out there. I was eager to learn anything I could about hiking, and the unfolding awareness of trail culture was like finding Narnia. Those first few months were dreamy. :D Back then there was a lot of ambient conversation. Kind of like a group email version of hikers sitting outside Mount Laguna Store. It was fun to follow along. Not sure why there?s less traffic but it seems like several cool pieces of hiker trash are still listening and willing to weigh in! Lord willing, I am planning to do a section of the Sierra next year - just got my bear can in! Hey I do have a question for those whom I haven?t lost. My favorite piece of gear is my Patagonia nano puff. Absolutely love that thing. Super warm. We camped on San Jac last year overlooking the Coachella Valley. Just about froze my butt off. I had on all of my layers and was extremely uncomfortable all night. So I know that I could use a slightly heavier coat for situations like that, still light weight as possible. Does anyone have a recommendation? I?ve heard trusted hikers recommend Mont Bell UL jackets. Thoughts? GoGo Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2019, at 10:35 PM, Brick Robbins wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:31 PM Susan Virnig wrote: >> >> I am in the same situation as Roadwalker.? For some reason, I also don?t receive all the posts, but often get the replies to posts I have not received.? Usually I can figure out the thread of the conversation. > > you can always read anything you missed at the archives. The link is > in the footer of every email from the list > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From aslive at charter.net Thu Jan 3 22:59:18 2019 From: aslive at charter.net (aslive at charter.net) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 22:59:18 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! Message-ID: I have been getting a lot of of comments on the list being dead and not much other. -----------------------------------------From: "David Hough reading PCT-L" To: gary at hbfun.org, pct-l at backcountry.net, richardb10 at live.com Cc: Sent: Thursday January 3 2019 6:15:45PM Subject: Re: [pct-l] List dead!!! pct-l is not dead. But many people honor the maxim "they that speak, do not know; they that know, do not speak". Even so I have gotten useful responses to most of my inquiries here. My last one, on irritable bowel syndrome on the trail, resulted in 53 accesses of the web page describing symptoms and treatments. Maybe some of them found the information useful, even if they had nothing more to contribute. Whenever I inquire about trail/road conditions before a trip, or report on them after a trip, I get useful feedback. So as far as I can tell, compared to 5 or 10 years ago, there's just as much signal and lots less noise. I'm grateful for that. David Hough http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/resources.html /> However I have heard that the digest can be flaky. I subscribe directly rather than through the digest, and so far haven't seen any responses to posts that I didn't also see the original for. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l /> List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ /> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From baidarker at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 12:42:12 2019 From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:42:12 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: <5c2f9124.1c69fb81.97381.1643@mx.google.com> References: <570C7285-2499-49C3-AA87-8839B0A06873@gmail.com> <5c2f9124.1c69fb81.97381.1643@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I agree wholeheartedly with Gourmet on the Flash. I've used the Hooded Flash Jacket from Western Mountaineering, for the past 10 years and still recommend it. I own two, both the standard fabric and the water resistant. In the Sierra the standard is fine, but in New Zealand, or back East, where there is so much more rainfall, I've felt a bit safer with the water resistant, which is a touch heavier. I've slept in them to up the cold value of my sleeping system, and for really chilly times, like 0 degrees for days in the Smokies, or weeks of snow in the early season Sierra, have used the Western Mountaineering Down Pants as well. With two pieces of down clothing as part of my sleeping system, it all becomes very flexible. I can take a 20 degree bag and make it good to 0 degrees, and a 45 degree bag and make it good to 20. Then, when things warm up, I just mail one, or both of these items home, and lose 1/2 to over a pound of warmth when I don't need it anymore. I opted for this instead of a warmer bag, which never gets lighter over the course of a long hike. Shroomer On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:00 AM timpnye wrote: > While Montbell has a great array of ultralight down jackets, the most > utilitarian for its weight, in my opinion at least, is the Hooded Flash > from Western Mountaineering. The keys are its hand warmer insulated front > pockets and that hood. They come in different colors for women and I'd > reccomend something bright that will contrast with various terrain so that > you can use it to make yourself visible from the air, just in case. > Gourmet. > > > > -------- Original message --------From: Sabrina Harrison < > troopharrison at gmail.com> Date: 1/4/19 6:20 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Brick > Robbins Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: > [pct-l] List dead!!! > I can?t remember how I first learned about the list - maybe the blog > Halfway Anywhere. > > I don?t mind asking lots of questions, so I put myself out there. I was > eager to learn anything I could about hiking, and the unfolding awareness > of trail culture was like finding Narnia. Those first few months were > dreamy. :D > > Back then there was a lot of ambient conversation. Kind of like a group > email version of hikers sitting outside Mount Laguna Store. It was fun to > follow along. > > Not sure why there?s less traffic but it seems like several cool pieces of > hiker trash are still listening and willing to weigh in! > > Lord willing, I am planning to do a section of the Sierra next year - just > got my bear can in! > > Hey I do have a question for those whom I haven?t lost. > > My favorite piece of gear is my Patagonia nano puff. Absolutely love that > thing. Super warm. We camped on San Jac last year overlooking the Coachella > Valley. Just about froze my butt off. I had on all of my layers and was > extremely uncomfortable all night. So I know that I could use a slightly > heavier coat for situations like that, still light weight as possible. Does > anyone have a recommendation? I?ve heard trusted hikers recommend Mont Bell > UL jackets. Thoughts? > > GoGo > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 3, 2019, at 10:35 PM, Brick Robbins > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:31 PM Susan Virnig > wrote: > >> > >> I am in the same situation as Roadwalker. For some reason, I also > don?t receive all the posts, but often get the replies to posts I have not > received. Usually I can figure out the thread of the conversation. > > > > you can always read anything you missed at the archives. The link is > > in the footer of every email from the list > > > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From moodyjj at comcast.net Fri Jan 4 19:32:47 2019 From: moodyjj at comcast.net (JAMES MOODY) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 20:32:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: References: <570C7285-2499-49C3-AA87-8839B0A06873@gmail.com> <5c2f9124.1c69fb81.97381.1643@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1315243816.238885.1546651967463@connect.xfinity.com> Shroomer's down pants are also great to help warm up fellow hikers who fall in a creek just before camp. But days of 0 degrees in the Smokies? Come on now. Mango > On January 4, 2019 at 1:42 PM Scott Williams wrote: > > > I agree wholeheartedly with Gourmet on the Flash. I've used the Hooded > Flash Jacket from Western Mountaineering, for the past 10 years and still > recommend it. I own two, both the standard fabric and the water > resistant. In the Sierra the standard is fine, but in New Zealand, or back > East, where there is so much more rainfall, I've felt a bit safer with the > water resistant, which is a touch heavier. I've slept in them to up the > cold value of my sleeping system, and for really chilly times, like 0 > degrees for days in the Smokies, or weeks of snow in the early season > Sierra, have used the Western Mountaineering Down Pants as well. With two > pieces of down clothing as part of my sleeping system, it all becomes very > flexible. I can take a 20 degree bag and make it good to 0 degrees, and a > 45 degree bag and make it good to 20. Then, when things warm up, I just > mail one, or both of these items home, and lose 1/2 to over a pound of > warmth when I don't need it anymore. I opted for this instead of a warmer > bag, which never gets lighter over the course of a long hike. > > Shroomer > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:00 AM timpnye wrote: > > > > While Montbell has a great array of ultralight down jackets, the most > > utilitarian for its weight, in my opinion at least, is the Hooded Flash > > from Western Mountaineering. The keys are its hand warmer insulated front > > pockets and that hood. They come in different colors for women and I'd > > reccomend something bright that will contrast with various terrain so that > > you can use it to make yourself visible from the air, just in case. > > Gourmet. > > > > > > > > -------- Original message --------From: Sabrina Harrison < > > troopharrison at gmail.com mailto:troopharrison at gmail.com > Date: 1/4/19 6:20 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Brick > > Robbins Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net mailto:pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: > > [pct-l] List dead!!! > > I can?t remember how I first learned about the list - maybe the blog > > Halfway Anywhere. > > > > I don?t mind asking lots of questions, so I put myself out there. I was > > eager to learn anything I could about hiking, and the unfolding awareness > > of trail culture was like finding Narnia. Those first few months were > > dreamy. :D > > > > Back then there was a lot of ambient conversation. Kind of like a group > > email version of hikers sitting outside Mount Laguna Store. It was fun to > > follow along. > > > > Not sure why there?s less traffic but it seems like several cool pieces of > > hiker trash are still listening and willing to weigh in! > > > > Lord willing, I am planning to do a section of the Sierra next year - just > > got my bear can in! > > > > Hey I do have a question for those whom I haven?t lost. > > > > My favorite piece of gear is my Patagonia nano puff. Absolutely love that > > thing. Super warm. We camped on San Jac last year overlooking the Coachella > > Valley. Just about froze my butt off. I had on all of my layers and was > > extremely uncomfortable all night. So I know that I could use a slightly > > heavier coat for situations like that, still light weight as possible. Does > > anyone have a recommendation? I?ve heard trusted hikers recommend Mont Bell > > UL jackets. Thoughts? > > > > GoGo > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2019, at 10:35 PM, Brick Robbins > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:31 PM Susan Virnig > > wrote: > > >> > > >> I am in the same situation as Roadwalker. For some reason, I also > > don?t receive all the posts, but often get the replies to posts I have not > > received. Usually I can figure out the thread of the conversation. > > > > > > > > > > you can always read anything you missed at the archives. The link is > > > in the footer of every email from the list > > > > > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pct-L mailing list > > > Pct-L at backcountry.net mailto:Pct-L at backcountry.net > > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > > > List Archives: > > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net mailto:Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net mailto:Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net mailto:Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From baidarker at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 20:24:23 2019 From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 18:24:23 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] List dead!!! In-Reply-To: <1315243816.238885.1546651967463@connect.xfinity.com> References: <570C7285-2499-49C3-AA87-8839B0A06873@gmail.com> <5c2f9124.1c69fb81.97381.1643@mx.google.com> <1315243816.238885.1546651967463@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Yup! We got off trail to get out of it. 0 degrees in the Smokies! It was a cold front, markedly colder than usual, that froze us but good. Shroomer On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 5:32 PM JAMES MOODY wrote: > Shroomer's down pants are also great to help warm up fellow hikers who > fall in a creek just before camp. But days of 0 degrees in the Smokies? > Come on now. > Mango > > On January 4, 2019 at 1:42 PM Scott Williams wrote: > > > I agree wholeheartedly with Gourmet on the Flash. I've used the Hooded > Flash Jacket from Western Mountaineering, for the past 10 years and still > recommend it. I own two, both the standard fabric and the water > resistant. In the Sierra the standard is fine, but in New Zealand, or back > East, where there is so much more rainfall, I've felt a bit safer with the > water resistant, which is a touch heavier. I've slept in them to up the > cold value of my sleeping system, and for really chilly times, like 0 > degrees for days in the Smokies, or weeks of snow in the early season > Sierra, have used the Western Mountaineering Down Pants as well. With two > pieces of down clothing as part of my sleeping system, it all becomes very > flexible. I can take a 20 degree bag and make it good to 0 degrees, and a > 45 degree bag and make it good to 20. Then, when things warm up, I just > mail one, or both of these items home, and lose 1/2 to over a pound of > warmth when I don't need it anymore. I opted for this instead of a warmer > bag, which never gets lighter over the course of a long hike. > > Shroomer > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:00 AM timpnye wrote: > > While Montbell has a great array of ultralight down jackets, the most > utilitarian for its weight, in my opinion at least, is the Hooded Flash > from Western Mountaineering. The keys are its hand warmer insulated front > pockets and that hood. They come in different colors for women and I'd > reccomend something bright that will contrast with various terrain so that > you can use it to make yourself visible from the air, just in case. > Gourmet. > > > > -------- Original message --------From: Sabrina Harrison < > troopharrison at gmail.com> Date: 1/4/19 6:20 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Brick > Robbins Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: > [pct-l] List dead!!! > I can?t remember how I first learned about the list - maybe the blog > Halfway Anywhere. > > I don?t mind asking lots of questions, so I put myself out there. I was > eager to learn anything I could about hiking, and the unfolding awareness > of trail culture was like finding Narnia. Those first few months were > dreamy. :D > > Back then there was a lot of ambient conversation. Kind of like a group > email version of hikers sitting outside Mount Laguna Store. It was fun to > follow along. > > Not sure why there?s less traffic but it seems like several cool pieces of > hiker trash are still listening and willing to weigh in! > > Lord willing, I am planning to do a section of the Sierra next year - just > got my bear can in! > > Hey I do have a question for those whom I haven?t lost. > > My favorite piece of gear is my Patagonia nano puff. Absolutely love that > thing. Super warm. We camped on San Jac last year overlooking the Coachella > Valley. Just about froze my butt off. I had on all of my layers and was > extremely uncomfortable all night. So I know that I could use a slightly > heavier coat for situations like that, still light weight as possible. Does > anyone have a recommendation? I?ve heard trusted hikers recommend Mont Bell > UL jackets. Thoughts? > > GoGo > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 3, 2019, at 10:35 PM, Brick Robbins > > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:31 PM Susan Virnig > wrote: > >> > >> I am in the same situation as Roadwalker. For some reason, I also > don?t receive all the posts, but often get the replies to posts I have not > received. Usually I can figure out the thread of the conversation. > > > > you can always read anything you missed at the archives. The link is > in the footer of every email from the list > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > From sdscpcts at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 14:05:35 2019 From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (sdscpcts) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 12:05:35 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Jackets and sleeping systems: Was List dead!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I noticed that the topic had changed but the subject line wasn't changed. Please change the subject line when you change the topic. Thanks,?? ? ? ? ? ?Rob?Sent from my Galaxy Tab? A -------- Original message --------From: Scott Williams Date: 1/4/19 10:42 AM (GMT-08:00) To: timpnye Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Brick Robbins Subject: Re: [pct-l] List dead!!! I agree wholeheartedly with Gourmet on the Flash.? I've used the HoodedFlash Jacket from Western Mountaineering, for the past 10 years and stillrecommend it.? I own two, both the standard fabric and the waterresistant.? In the Sierra the standard is fine, but in New Zealand, or backEast, where there is so much more rainfall, I've felt a bit safer with thewater resistant, which is a touch heavier.? I've slept in them to up thecold value of my sleeping system, and for really chilly times, like 0degrees for days in the Smokies, or weeks of snow in the early seasonSierra, have used the Western Mountaineering Down Pants as well.? With twopieces of down clothing as part of my sleeping system, it all becomes veryflexible.? I can take a 20 degree bag and make it good to 0 degrees, and a45 degree bag and make it good to 20.? Then, when things warm up, I justmail one, or both of these items home, and lose 1/2 to over a pound ofwarmth when I don't need it anymore.? I opted for this instead of a warmerbag, which never gets lighter over the course of a long hike.ShroomerOn Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:00 AM timpnye wrote:> While Montbell has a great array of ultralight down jackets, the most> utilitarian for its weight, in my opinion at least, is the Hooded Flash> from Western Mountaineering. The keys are its hand warmer insulated front> pockets and that hood. They come in different colors for women and I'd> reccomend something bright that will contrast with various terrain so that> you can use it to make yourself visible from the air,? just in case.> Gourmet.>>>> -------- Original message --------From: Sabrina Harrison <> troopharrison at gmail.com> Date: 1/4/19? 6:20 AM? (GMT-08:00) To: Brick> Robbins Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re:> [pct-l] List dead!!!> I can?t remember how I first learned about the list - maybe the blog> Halfway Anywhere.>> I don?t mind asking lots of questions, so I put myself out there. I was> eager to learn anything I could about hiking, and the unfolding awareness> of trail culture was like finding Narnia. Those first few months were> dreamy. :D>> Back then there was a lot of ambient conversation. Kind of like a group> email version of hikers sitting outside Mount Laguna Store. It was fun to> follow along.>> Not sure why there?s less traffic but it seems like several cool pieces of> hiker trash are still listening and willing to weigh in!>> Lord willing, I am planning to do a section of the Sierra next year - just> got my bear can in!>> Hey I do have a question for those whom I haven?t lost.>> My favorite piece of gear is my Patagonia nano puff. Absolutely love that> thing. Super warm. We camped on San Jac last year overlooking the Coachella> Valley. Just about froze my butt off. I had on all of my layers and was> extremely uncomfortable all night. So I know that I could use a slightly> heavier coat for situations like that, still light weight as possible. Does> anyone have a recommendation? I?ve heard trusted hikers recommend Mont Bell> UL jackets. Thoughts?>> GoGo>> Sent from my iPhone>> > On Jan 3, 2019, at 10:35 PM, Brick Robbins > wrote:> >> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:31 PM Susan Virnig > wrote:> >>> >> I am in the same situation as Roadwalker.? For some reason, I also> don?t receive all the posts, but often get the replies to posts I have not> received.? Usually I can figure out the thread of the conversation.> >> > you can always read anything you missed at the archives. The link is> > in the footer of every email from the list> >> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/> > _______________________________________________> > Pct-L mailing list> > Pct-L at backcountry.net> > To unsubscribe, or change options visit:> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l> >> > List Archives:> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.> _______________________________________________> Pct-L mailing list> Pct-L at backcountry.net> To unsubscribe, or change options visit:> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>> List Archives:> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.> _______________________________________________> Pct-L mailing list> Pct-L at backcountry.net> To unsubscribe, or change options visit:> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>> List Archives:> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission._______________________________________________Pct-L mailing listPct-L at backcountry.netTo unsubscribe, or change options visit:http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-lList Archives:http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From tokencivilian at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 11:56:20 2019 From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com (Barry Teschlog) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] So Cal Rain References: <1365485503.1053801.1547488580848.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1365485503.1053801.1547488580848@mail.yahoo.com> Let it rain..... It looks like So Cal is in for a bit of rain over the coming few days. Looking at the Mt. Laguna Lodge web cam, they're getting snow as I type (~9:55am PST). Radar is showing widespread rain from the border up to Warner Springs and beyond. Hopefully the springs and creeks get a bit of a charge up out of this. From brick at brickrobbins.com Mon Jan 14 18:22:24 2019 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:22:24 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] So Cal Rain In-Reply-To: <1365485503.1053801.1547488580848@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1365485503.1053801.1547488580848.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1365485503.1053801.1547488580848@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:56 AM Barry Teschlog wrote: > Looking at the Mt. Laguna Lodge web cam, they're getting snow as I type (~9:55am PST). at 4pm the temperature on Mt Laguna itself is 3.1C - 37.6F and the cameras are not showing much in the way of snow, but tomorrow morning may be worth a trip out there with the skis. I can always hope! http://hpwren.ucsd.edu/cameras/MLO.html From temp3 at mflan.com Mon Jan 14 19:57:26 2019 From: temp3 at mflan.com (Mike) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:57:26 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] So Cal Rain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04070290-2f18-faa3-e9aa-fcc47815fb6d@mflan.com> Excellent news. Wrightwood is 32 Deg F with Snow and some fog. Rain likely through Thursday. Mike On 1/14/2019 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: > Let it rain..... > It looks like So Cal is in for a bit of rain over the coming few days. > Looking at the Mt. Laguna Lodge web cam, they're getting snow as I type (~9:55am PST). > Radar is showing widespread rain from the border up to Warner Springs and beyond. > Hopefully the springs and creeks get a bit of a charge up out of this. From laurie_h1234 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 21:44:18 2019 From: laurie_h1234 at yahoo.com (Laurie Hallum) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 03:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] So Cal Rain In-Reply-To: <04070290-2f18-faa3-e9aa-fcc47815fb6d@mflan.com> References: <04070290-2f18-faa3-e9aa-fcc47815fb6d@mflan.com> Message-ID: <1657866350.1401632.1547523858142@mail.yahoo.com> ? ? ?We had a major storm (rain in the valley and snow in the mountains) last week. ?A 2 1/2 gallon bucket is almost full on my property in the North Sacramento Valley outside Redding. ?I have a strange water gauge. ?The forecast is for more rain/snow starting tomorrow, Tuesday, and it's predicted to be more than the last storm with flood warnings.? ? ?Snow sport people are very happy. ?People in the mud are not, but it looks like Shasta Lake is getting pretty full and hopefully the trail water will be in good shape through the hiking season. ?Happy trails,Lady Pegasus On Monday, January 14, 2019, 5:57:53 PM PST, Mike wrote: Excellent news. Wrightwood is 32 Deg F with Snow and some fog. Rain likely through Thursday. Mike On 1/14/2019 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: > Let it rain..... > It looks like So Cal is in for a bit of rain over the coming few days. > Looking at the Mt. Laguna Lodge web cam, they're getting snow as I type (~9:55am PST). > Radar is showing widespread rain from the border up to Warner Springs and beyond. > Hopefully the springs and creeks get a bit of a charge up out of this. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pctl at marcusschwartz.com Mon Jan 14 22:25:47 2019 From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:25:47 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] So Cal Rain In-Reply-To: References: <1365485503.1053801.1547488580848.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1365485503.1053801.1547488580848@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9f1d7db6-f824-2b17-e822-f89b02c5c260@marcusschwartz.com> Say, does anybody know of more webcams along the PCT? It'd be nice to see trail conditions directly, particularly in the off-season. -=Marcus On 1/14/19 4:22 PM, Brick Robbins wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:56 AM Barry Teschlog wrote: >> Looking at the Mt. Laguna Lodge web cam, they're getting snow as I type (~9:55am PST). > > at 4pm the temperature on Mt Laguna itself is 3.1C - 37.6F and the > cameras are not showing much in the way of snow, but tomorrow morning > may be worth a trip out there with the skis. I can always hope! > > http://hpwren.ucsd.edu/cameras/MLO.html > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From brick at brickrobbins.com Tue Jan 15 00:11:39 2019 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 22:11:39 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] So Cal Rain In-Reply-To: <9f1d7db6-f824-2b17-e822-f89b02c5c260@marcusschwartz.com> References: <1365485503.1053801.1547488580848.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1365485503.1053801.1547488580848@mail.yahoo.com> <9f1d7db6-f824-2b17-e822-f89b02c5c260@marcusschwartz.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:25 PM Town Food wrote: > > Say, does anybody know of more webcams along the PCT? It'd be nice to > see trail conditions directly, particularly in the off-season. The Cams at Mountain High in Wrightwood are very close to the trail http://www.mthigh.com/site/mountain/photos-and-videos/livecams From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 09:54:11 2019 From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 07:54:11 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] 2019 Long Distance Permits (15 per day) 1030am Pacific time TODAY Jan 15th Message-ID: It's happening... https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/permits/pct-long-distance-permit/ Good luck Everybody! Reporting in on a very wet Fresno, Ca, wintry day. The Sierra snowpack is at 67 percent (of average) for this time of year. That's almost twice what it was last year, and a solid 3 months of potential precipitation is yet to come. All the best, Paint From bmontgomery746 at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 15:48:41 2019 From: bmontgomery746 at gmail.com (Brian Montgomery) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:48:41 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 119, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Willamette (Will-am-met) Pass on Oregon 58 east of Eugene, Oregon: https://tripcheck.com/RoadCams/cams/WillamettePass_pid658.jpg?rand=1547588721121 Trail goes across driveway into ODOT sandshed on other side of the highway... On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 10:00 AM wrote: > Send Pct-L mailing list submissions to > pct-l at backcountry.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pct-l-request at backcountry.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pct-l-owner at backcountry.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pct-L digest..." > > > Please DELETE the copy of the complete digest from your reply. ONLY > include stuff that applies to your reply > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: So Cal Rain (Brick Robbins) > 2. Re: So Cal Rain (Mike) > 3. Re: So Cal Rain (Laurie Hallum) > 4. Re: So Cal Rain (Town Food) > 5. Re: So Cal Rain (Brick Robbins) > 6. 2019 Long Distance Permits (15 per day) 1030am Pacific time > TODAY Jan 15th (Paint YW) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:22:24 -0800 > From: Brick Robbins > To: "PCT L." > Subject: Re: [pct-l] So Cal Rain > Message-ID: > < > CALV1Nzn7yjchacVxmHQ1FHUWjhjLA9LAJZ26LqXc5qhc2tzenw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:56 AM Barry Teschlog > wrote: > > Looking at the Mt. Laguna Lodge web cam, they're getting snow as I type > (~9:55am PST). > > at 4pm the temperature on Mt Laguna itself is 3.1C - 37.6F and the > cameras are not showing much in the way of snow, but tomorrow morning > may be worth a trip out there with the skis. I can always hope! > > http://hpwren.ucsd.edu/cameras/MLO.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:57:26 -0600 > From: Mike > To: pct-l at backcountry.net > Cc: tokencivilian at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [pct-l] So Cal Rain > Message-ID: <04070290-2f18-faa3-e9aa-fcc47815fb6d at mflan.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > Excellent news. > > Wrightwood is 32 Deg F with Snow and some fog. > Rain likely through Thursday. > > > Mike > > > On 1/14/2019 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: > > Let it rain..... > > It looks like So Cal is in for a bit of rain over the coming few days. > > Looking at the Mt. Laguna Lodge web cam, they're getting snow as I type > (~9:55am PST). > > Radar is showing widespread rain from the border up to Warner Springs > and beyond. > > Hopefully the springs and creeks get a bit of a charge up out of this. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 03:44:18 +0000 (UTC) > From: Laurie Hallum > To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Mike > Cc: tokencivilian at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [pct-l] So Cal Rain > Message-ID: <1657866350.1401632.1547523858142 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ? ? ?We had a major storm (rain in the valley and snow in the mountains) > last week. ?A 2 1/2 gallon bucket is almost full on my property in the > North Sacramento Valley outside Redding. ?I have a strange water gauge. > ?The forecast is for more rain/snow starting tomorrow, Tuesday, and it's > predicted to be more than the last storm with flood warnings.? ? ?Snow > sport people are very happy. ?People in the mud are not, but it looks like > Shasta Lake is getting pretty full and hopefully the trail water will be in > good shape through the hiking season. ?Happy trails,Lady Pegasus > On Monday, January 14, 2019, 5:57:53 PM PST, Mike > wrote: > > > Excellent news. > > Wrightwood is 32 Deg F with Snow and some fog. > Rain likely through Thursday. > > > Mike > > > On 1/14/2019 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: > > Let it rain..... > > It looks like So Cal is in for a bit of rain over the coming few days. > > Looking at the Mt. Laguna Lodge web cam, they're getting snow as I type > (~9:55am PST). > > Radar is showing widespread rain from the border up to Warner Springs > and beyond. > > Hopefully the springs and creeks get a bit of a charge up out of this. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:25:47 -0800 > From: Town Food > To: pct-l at backcountry.net > Subject: Re: [pct-l] So Cal Rain > Message-ID: <9f1d7db6-f824-2b17-e822-f89b02c5c260 at marcusschwartz.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Say, does anybody know of more webcams along the PCT? It'd be nice to > see trail conditions directly, particularly in the off-season. > > -=Marcus > > On 1/14/19 4:22 PM, Brick Robbins wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:56 AM Barry Teschlog > wrote: > >> Looking at the Mt. Laguna Lodge web cam, they're getting snow as I type > (~9:55am PST). > > > > at 4pm the temperature on Mt Laguna itself is 3.1C - 37.6F and the > > cameras are not showing much in the way of snow, but tomorrow morning > > may be worth a trip out there with the skis. I can always hope! > > > > http://hpwren.ucsd.edu/cameras/MLO.html > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 22:11:39 -0800 > From: Brick Robbins > To: PCT > Subject: Re: [pct-l] So Cal Rain > Message-ID: > XmCL0eJkeDGaJsr0n3gxvOk6e3S-EHLxPFUEpMidURA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:25 PM Town Food wrote: > > > > Say, does anybody know of more webcams along the PCT? It'd be nice to > > see trail conditions directly, particularly in the off-season. > > The Cams at Mountain High in Wrightwood are very close to the trail > > http://www.mthigh.com/site/mountain/photos-and-videos/livecams > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 07:54:11 -0800 > From: Paint YW > To: pct-l at backcountry.net > Subject: [pct-l] 2019 Long Distance Permits (15 per day) 1030am > Pacific time TODAY Jan 15th > Message-ID: > iN9xb9O2bxvmtH_fXBbkkhu3kuT_+P-SQmDc-r9pXN7Q at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > It's happening... > > https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/permits/pct-long-distance-permit/ > > Good luck Everybody! > > Reporting in on a very wet Fresno, Ca, wintry day. The Sierra snowpack is > at 67 percent (of average) for this time of year. That's almost twice what > it was last year, and a solid 3 months of potential precipitation is yet to > come. > > All the best, > > Paint > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > ------------------------------ > > End of Pct-L Digest, Vol 119, Issue 8 > ************************************* > From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 16:03:55 2019 From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:03:55 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Trail Cams "live" Message-ID: This website has a fairly decent amount of cams located near the PCT, or in towns or outdoor venues, in the general vicinity of the trail. Enjoy- Paint https://www.eyehike.com/2016/webcams/live-webcams From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 19:13:23 2019 From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 17:13:23 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] 2 - 5 ft of snow predicted for Sierras west of Hwy 395/Mono Co., CA Message-ID: Recent big snow years- 2010/2011 2016/2017 2018/2019... It's looking pretty good from my perspective, now- 60 miles SW of the Sierra range (mile 864.5) Fresno, Ca. Hat tip to Half Mile's app! https://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=CAZ073&warncounty=CAC051&firewxzone=CAZ273&local_place1=2%20Miles%20NNE%20Tioga%20Pass%20CA&product1=Blizzard+Warning&lat=37.9372&lon=-119.2497 Get ready! Just 100 shopping days until (the traditional) kickoff. Woot! Woot! Paint From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 22:48:05 2019 From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:48:05 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] A trip down memory lane... circa 1996 / Backcountry.Net PCT-L Archives Message-ID: I've assembled the full collection of messages posted to the various incarnations of the PCT-L mailing list here. You can directly access each month below, or use the search tool to help you find what you're looking for. If you have any problems with this archive, please email me at ryan at backcountry.net. Some of the files can be quite large! http://www.backcountry.net/arch/pct/ - *First test * - *From*: Ryan Brooks - *djfksfjljjdsfkjkl * - *From*: Ryan Brooks - *[pct-l] New config * - *From*: Ryan Brooks - *dfjksjfdlkjkl * - *From*: Ryan Brooks - *[pct-l] Signing on * - *From*: "Richard (Dick) L. Wix" - *[pct-l] Introducing...Mike Coltrin * - *From*: coltrin at azstarnet.com (Coltrin) - *[pct-l] Subscriber Profile * - *From*: Charcholla at aol.com - *[pct-l] re-greetings,...PCT-97! * - *From*: JWilsonVW at aol.com - *[pct-l] Introduction * - *From*: AYoung3384 at aol.com - *[pct-l] Introduction * - *From*: Rick Howard - *[pct-l] Introduction... * - *From*: Jeffrey Olson - *[pct-l] my adventure * - *From*: POLITECAT at aol.com - *Re: [pct-l] my adventure * - *From*: Charcholla at aol.com - *[pct-l] How many finished this year? * - *From*: Brick Robbins - *[pct-l] T-Shirt's * - *From*: CHUCK BERRY - *Re: [pct-l] T-Shirt's * - *From*: Charcholla at aol.com - *[pct-l] Why? * - *From*: coltrin at azstarnet.com (Coltrin) - *[pct-l] Howdy * - *From*: coltrin at azstarnet.com (Coltrin) - *[pct-l] Hi! * - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz - *[pct-l] Hi! * - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz - *[pct-l] Hi! * - *From*: Rick Howard - *[pct-l] PCT * - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz - *[pct-l] T-Shirts * - *From*: CHUCK BERRY - *[pct-l] Living on the east coast * - *From*: Sterling Barlow - *[pct-l] editorial * - *From*: John Koch - *[pct-l] Living on the east coast * - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz - *[pct-l] Message in a bottle * - *From*: afn04345 at afn.org (Steve Dopp) - *[pct-l] Kirby's Tent * - *From*: afn04345 at afn.org (Steve Dopp) - *[pct-l] greetings * - *From*: graham at galileo.IFA.Hawaii.Edu (Graham Knopp) - *[pct-l] Archives now available * - *From*: Ryan Brooks - *[pct-l] Re: Survival * - *From*: MManzano at aol.com - *[pct-l] Introduction * - *From*: MManzano at aol.com - *[pct-l] Hiking club or partner(s) * - *From*: CHUCK BERRY - *[pct-l] Introduction * - *From*: "Berghuis, Frank M (fmbergh)" - *Re: [pct-l] Hiking club or partner(s) * - *From*: Charcholla at aol.com - *[pct-l] [PCT-L]Feathered Friends Sandpiper * - *From*: afn04345 at afn.org (Steve Dopp) - *[pct-l] new intro * - *From*: Michael Henderson - *[pct-l] Hello!! * - *From*: Ghpbill at aol.com - *[pct-l] Re: Hello!! * - *From*: Charcholla at aol.com - *[pct-l] re intro * - *From*: bturner at rand.nidlink.com (Bob Turner) - *[pct-l] Hiking in the snow. * - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz - *[pct-l] re intro and a note to all * - *From*: POLITECAT at aol.com - *[pct-l] Jack Fair address * - *From*: nebraska at wolfe.net (Craig Giffen) - *[pct-l] Trail Work for PCT? * - *From*: annoying - *[pct-l] Another intro * - *From*: "Alan T. Julliard" - *[pct-l] Bob and Joy's hike * - *From*: "Alan T. Julliard" - *[pct-l] RE: Hiking in the snow. * - *From*: "Alan T. Julliard" - *[pct-l] Spring trip! * - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz - *[pct-l] Northern Oregon trail maintenance; Intro; PCT Slide Show * - *From*: Lesya Struz - *Re: [pct-l] RE: Hiking in the snow. * - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz - *[pct-l] Trail Work for PCT? * - *From*: Steve Queen <71223.43 at compuserve.com> - *[pct-l] Trail Work for PCT? * - *From*: Steve Queen <71223.43 at compuserve.com> - *[pct-l] Re: [at-l] To Ryan and Milt * - *From*: John Koch - *Re: [pct-l] editorial on logging * - *From*: kevin.oleary at tempe.vlsi.com - *[pct-l] i need a little advise.... again * - *From*: POLITECAT at aol.com - *[pct-l] i need a little advise.... again * - *From*: Rick Howard - *[pct-l] editorial on logging * - *From*: Steve Queen <71223.43 at compuserve.com> - *[pct-l] Trekking poles * - *From*: philippe.gouvet at univ-pau.fr - *No Subject * - *From*: brick robbins - *[pct-l] Re: Trekking poles * - *From*: MManzano at aol.com - *[pct-l] Re: i need a little advise.... again * - *From*: "Alan T. Julliard" - *[pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #30 * - *From*: "John Paul Reeves" - *Re: [pct-l] advice and more,... * - *From*: JWilsonVW at aol.com - *[pct-l] Bad URL for Roadrunner * - *From*: Brick Robbins - *[pct-l] Good News * - *From*: AT95Tahoma at aol.com - *[pct-l] Re: Ice Axe advice * - *From*: Ben Schifrin - *No Subject * - *From*: Ben Schifrin - *Re: [pct-l] Good News * - *From*: John Koch - *[pct-l] editorial * - *From*: ------------------------------ Back to the National Scenic Trails Home Page ------------------------------ Mail converted by MHonArc 2.0.0 http://www.backcountry.net/arch/pct/9612/ <<< THIS! At your service, beckon, and call- 24/7... Paint From tumstead96 at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 12:19:00 2019 From: tumstead96 at gmail.com (Tim Umstead) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 10:19:00 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scrolling through your list Jack Fairs name popped out. Now he was a character few people remember. My wife and I meet him on our 96 PCT thru- hike. Another thru-hiker, Batch (74), was with us and Jack would try and control his cussing because an elder was there. The Ravens PCT 96, 15 CDT 17 AT ? (This year, maybe) On Jan 21, 2019 10:00 AM, wrote: > Send Pct-L mailing list submissions to > pct-l at backcountry.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pct-l-request at backcountry.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pct-l-owner at backcountry.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pct-L digest..." > > > Please DELETE the copy of the complete digest from your reply. ONLY > include stuff that applies to your reply > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. A trip down memory lane... circa 1996 / Backcountry.Net PCT-L > Archives (Paint YW) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:48:05 -0800 > From: Paint YW > To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" > Subject: [pct-l] A trip down memory lane... circa 1996 / > Backcountry.Net PCT-L Archives > Message-ID: > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I've assembled the full collection of messages posted to the various > incarnations of the PCT-L mailing list here. You can directly access each > month below, or use the search tool to help you find what you're looking > for. If you have any problems with this archive, please email me at > ryan at backcountry.net. Some of the files can be quite large! > > http://www.backcountry.net/arch/pct/ > > > - *First test * > - *From*: Ryan Brooks > - *djfksfjljjdsfkjkl > * > - *From*: Ryan Brooks > - *[pct-l] New config > * > - *From*: Ryan Brooks > - *dfjksjfdlkjkl > * > - *From*: Ryan Brooks > - *[pct-l] Signing on > * > - *From*: "Richard (Dick) L. Wix" > - *[pct-l] Introducing...Mike Coltrin > * > - *From*: coltrin at azstarnet.com (Coltrin) > - *[pct-l] Subscriber Profile > * > - *From*: Charcholla at aol.com > - *[pct-l] re-greetings,...PCT-97! > * > - *From*: JWilsonVW at aol.com > - *[pct-l] Introduction > * > - *From*: AYoung3384 at aol.com > - *[pct-l] Introduction > * > - *From*: Rick Howard > - *[pct-l] Introduction... > * > - *From*: Jeffrey Olson > - *[pct-l] my adventure > * > - *From*: POLITECAT at aol.com > - *Re: [pct-l] my adventure > * > - *From*: Charcholla at aol.com > - *[pct-l] How many finished this year? > * > - *From*: Brick Robbins > - *[pct-l] T-Shirt's > * > - *From*: CHUCK BERRY > - *Re: [pct-l] T-Shirt's > * > - *From*: Charcholla at aol.com > - *[pct-l] Why? >* > - *From*: coltrin at azstarnet.com (Coltrin) > - *[pct-l] Howdy > * > - *From*: coltrin at azstarnet.com (Coltrin) > - *[pct-l] Hi! >* > - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz > - *[pct-l] Hi! >* > - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz > - *[pct-l] Hi! >* > - *From*: Rick Howard > - *[pct-l] PCT >* > - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz > - *[pct-l] T-Shirts > * > - *From*: CHUCK BERRY > - *[pct-l] Living on the east coast > * > - *From*: Sterling Barlow > - *[pct-l] editorial > * > - *From*: John Koch > - *[pct-l] Living on the east coast > * > - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz > - *[pct-l] Message in a bottle > * > - *From*: afn04345 at afn.org (Steve Dopp) > - *[pct-l] Kirby's Tent > * > - *From*: afn04345 at afn.org (Steve Dopp) > - *[pct-l] greetings > * > - *From*: graham at galileo.IFA.Hawaii.Edu (Graham Knopp) > - *[pct-l] Archives now available > * > - *From*: Ryan Brooks > - *[pct-l] Re: Survival > * > - *From*: MManzano at aol.com > - *[pct-l] Introduction > * > - *From*: MManzano at aol.com > - *[pct-l] Hiking club or partner(s) > * > - *From*: CHUCK BERRY > - *[pct-l] Introduction > * > - *From*: "Berghuis, Frank M (fmbergh)" > - *Re: [pct-l] Hiking club or partner(s) > * > - *From*: Charcholla at aol.com > - *[pct-l] [PCT-L]Feathered Friends Sandpiper > * > - *From*: afn04345 at afn.org (Steve Dopp) > - *[pct-l] new intro > * > - *From*: Michael Henderson > - *[pct-l] Hello!! > * > - *From*: Ghpbill at aol.com > - *[pct-l] Re: Hello!! > * > - *From*: Charcholla at aol.com > - *[pct-l] re intro > * > - *From*: bturner at rand.nidlink.com (Bob Turner) > - *[pct-l] Hiking in the snow. > * > - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz > - *[pct-l] re intro and a note to all > * > - *From*: POLITECAT at aol.com > - *[pct-l] Jack Fair address > * > - *From*: nebraska at wolfe.net (Craig Giffen) > - *[pct-l] Trail Work for PCT? > * > - *From*: annoying > - *[pct-l] Another intro > * > - *From*: "Alan T. Julliard" > - *[pct-l] Bob and Joy's hike > * > - *From*: "Alan T. Julliard" > - *[pct-l] RE: Hiking in the snow. > * > - *From*: "Alan T. Julliard" > - *[pct-l] Spring trip! > * > - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz > - *[pct-l] Northern Oregon trail maintenance; Intro; PCT Slide Show > * > - *From*: Lesya Struz > - *Re: [pct-l] RE: Hiking in the snow. > * > - *From*: Kathy and Dave Seasholtz > - *[pct-l] Trail Work for PCT? > * > - *From*: Steve Queen <71223.43 at compuserve.com> > - *[pct-l] Trail Work for PCT? > * > - *From*: Steve Queen <71223.43 at compuserve.com> > - *[pct-l] Re: [at-l] To Ryan and Milt > * > - *From*: John Koch > - *Re: [pct-l] editorial on logging > * > - *From*: kevin.oleary at tempe.vlsi.com > - *[pct-l] i need a little advise.... again > * > - *From*: POLITECAT at aol.com > - *[pct-l] i need a little advise.... again > * > - *From*: Rick Howard > - *[pct-l] editorial on logging > * > - *From*: Steve Queen <71223.43 at compuserve.com> > - *[pct-l] Trekking poles > * > - *From*: philippe.gouvet at univ-pau.fr > - *No Subject * > - *From*: brick robbins > - *[pct-l] Re: Trekking poles > * > - *From*: MManzano at aol.com > - *[pct-l] Re: i need a little advise.... again > * > - *From*: "Alan T. Julliard" > - *[pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #30 > * > - *From*: "John Paul Reeves" > - *Re: [pct-l] advice and more,... > * > - *From*: JWilsonVW at aol.com > - *[pct-l] Bad URL for Roadrunner > * > - *From*: Brick Robbins > - *[pct-l] Good News > * > - *From*: AT95Tahoma at aol.com > - *[pct-l] Re: Ice Axe advice > * > - *From*: Ben Schifrin > - *No Subject * > - *From*: Ben Schifrin > - *Re: [pct-l] Good News > * > - *From*: John Koch > - *[pct-l] editorial > * > - *From*: > > ------------------------------ > Back to the National Scenic Trails Home Page > ------------------------------ > Mail converted by MHonArc > > 2.0.0 > > http://www.backcountry.net/arch/pct/9612/ <<< THIS! > > At your service, beckon, and call- 24/7... Paint > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > ------------------------------ > > End of Pct-L Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10 > ************************************** > From mikeflan at att.net Mon Jan 21 12:22:55 2019 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 12:22:55 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] A trip down memory lane... circa 1996 / Backcountry.Net PCT-L Archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for doing that. I'm thinking the "Search the Archives" feature is not working perfectly. Mike On 1/21/2019 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:48:05 -0800 > From: Paint YW > To:"pct-l at backcountry.net" > Subject: [pct-l] A trip down memory lane... circa 1996 / > Backcountry.Net PCT-L Archives > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I've assembled the full collection of messages posted to the various > incarnations of the PCT-L mailing list here. You can directly access each > month below, or use the search tool to help you find what you're looking > for. If you have any problems with this archive, please email me at > ryan at backcountry.net. Some of the files can be quite large! > > http://www.backcountry.net/arch/pct/ From campydog at verizon.net Mon Jan 21 12:35:26 2019 From: campydog at verizon.net (Campy) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 10:35:26 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40282953-55C2-46AC-BDD2-A05B1BAF2023@verizon.net> On Jan 21, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Tim Umstead wrote: Scrolling through your list Jack Fairs name popped out. Now he was a character few people remember. My wife and I meet him on our 96 PCT thru- hike. Another thru-hiker, Batch (74), was with us and Jack would try and control his cussing because an elder was there. The Ravens PCT 96, 15 CDT 17 AT ? (This year, maybe) Jack Fair is the author of a quotation: "Youth is full of piss and vinegar. Old age is stagnant water.? ==^=== Campy Youth is full of piss and vinegar. Old age is stagnant water. ?Jack Fair ===^== From tumstead96 at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 14:59:16 2019 From: tumstead96 at gmail.com (Tim Umstead) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 12:59:16 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Postholers planner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was taking a look at Postholers PCT planner and I saw, at the far right side, a column titled Section Rating. It is a numeric value on how difficult that section is. Does anyone know how he came up with that number? Also, in your option, is it accurate? From wildvagabond at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 13:06:59 2019 From: wildvagabond at yahoo.com (The Wilderness Vagabond) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 19:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 119, Issue 12 References: <1545131361.2655267.1548270419430.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1545131361.2655267.1548270419430@mail.yahoo.com> Tim and forum followers -- I'd like to see a shift to using ERMs, Energy Required Miles. When using the Halfmile app, one can easily select a point to point comparison and obtain a summary of the total elevation gained and lost. I use ERMs in my trip reports because it makes sense to me. Easy to use - add a mile to the distance for each 500' up and 500' down, total = ERM. I am including a summary of what is an ERM and a study verifying it's use. Cheers, Wild Vagabond. http://wildernessvagabond.com/WV-PCT-JMT-Sierra-trip-links-all.htm *ERM: Energy Required Miles, are there data to support this mileage adjustment? Journal of Outdoor Recreation, Education and Leadership Petzoldt first proposed his theory in his 1976 book ?Teton Trails? to help backpackers plan trips and calculate their energy needs on mountain trails. ?Petzoldt defined one energy mile as the energy required to walk one mile on the flat. He recommended adding two energy miles for every 1,000 feet of elevation gain, so a person hiking one mile and 1,000 feet upward would use the equivalent of three energy miles,? Phipps said. Petzoldt?s energy mile theory was just a reflection of the mountaineer?s ?gut feeling,? Phipps said. The theory had never been tested in a laboratory before the study began in WCU?s Exercise Physiology Laboratory in the spring of 2010, Phipps said. To determine the validity of the theory, the study measured the energy cost and perceived exertion for walking on flat ground, with and without a 44.5-pound backpack, and up an elevation gain of 1,000 feet, with and without the backpack, through the collection of metabolic data, Phipps said. Twenty-four student, faculty and staff volunteers, including 12 males and 12 females, went through four testing sessions as the research continued into fall semester of 2010. The study results showed that the additional energy cost for ascending 1,000 feet ranged from 1.34 to 2.02 energy mile equivalents, for an average of about 1.6 miles, compared to Petzoldt?s use of two energy miles for each 1,000 feet. The range revealed by the study was due to the ?hikers? personal weight differences, Phipps said. ?It is remarkable that Petzoldt?s energy mile theory is so close to the actual energy cost measured during our study,? Phipps said. ?In the field of outdoor education, it?s important for leaders to include an estimation of energy requirements during the planning of hiking trips.? Phipps said the energy required for hiking up steep mountain trails would vary for individuals and groups, and the variables of the trail would also factor in, but he recommends that backpackers stick with Petzoldt?s idea of adding two energy miles for every 1,000 feet of elevation gain when planning trips. The Validity of Petzoldt's Energy Mile Theory, 2010 Authors: Maridy McNeff Troy, Maurice L. Phipps Publication: Journal of Outdoor Recreation, Education, and Leadership . ? 1. Postholers planner (Tim Umstead) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I was taking a look at Postholers PCT planner and I saw, at the far right side, a column titled Section Rating.? It is a numeric value on how difficult that section is. Does anyone know how he came up with that number? Also, in your option, is it accurate? ------------------------------