From gary at hbfun.org  Thu Nov  1 11:52:40 2018
From: gary at hbfun.org (Gary Schenk)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 09:52:40 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Section Hiking between California Highway 58 and
 Jawbone Canyon Road
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The LW and I hiked that section in the first week of April. No bears! But
it was a tough section, we carried a lot of water. Fortunately the caches
were stocked, so we did not have to divert to the springs.

It was tough, but not as tough as New Hampshire AT!

Gary

On Wed, October 31, 2018 10:19 am, William E Frenette wrote:
> Hi Ron when you hike that section hwy 58 to Jawbone watch out for Bears.
> That's the only place I walked into one, or He walked into Me. He got
> within 30' take care be safe would love to be on the trail with you but
> alas LOVING IDAHO
>
>
>
> groundpounderbill
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Oct 30, 2018 1:40 pm
> Subject: [pct-l] Section Hiking between California Highway 58 and Jawbone
> Canyon Road
>
> My next goal is to hike the 36 miles between Mile 566 and 602. Ok, you
> say,
> simple.  Get dropped off at Jawbone Canyon Road and the PCT and hike SB
> for
> three days, 12 miles per day (kind of my limit at age 74).  Yes, but
> that's
> also two nights on the trail, and no water till at least Golden Oaks
> Spring
> (20 miles south of Jawbone Canyon Road) and that was running slow on
> 10/18.
> Hopefully only because of sediment in the line. But what if it's dry?
>
> Does anyone want to go with me? We could park one car at Highway 58
> (Cameron Road Exit) where it would be up and out of sight of the highway,
> then drive the other car up Jawbone Canyon Road to the PCT.  I know, I
> know, then there will be the tedious drive back up Jawbone Canyon Road
> (mostly dirt road, but fairly well maintained, possible in a two wheel
> drive sedan, but I have a AWD SUV) at the end to retrieve the car we left
> there.
>
>
> Ron "Slow Charger" Graybill
> Ontario, CA
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  1 14:24:01 2018
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:24:01 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Section Hiking between California Highway 58 and
 Jawbone Canyon Road
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Once you get up to the ridge it's pretty easy hiking. Old dirt roads connected by trail. Just don't wait until the Mojave winds start. Not that they ever really stop. They usually blow pretty hard in Dec/Jan. I've had trouble standing up.  Twice I've  had to bail in that section   Once 'cause of high winds and once because of icy trail and frozen springs  Golden Oak spring turns into a slushy when it freezes    Blue Bird will freeze up completely but there is always water east down Jawbone Canyon as you drop down to the First Nations Reserve. I found it easy to hitch out to the road and then back to my van that I left at the Mojave Motel 6. They are very hiker friendly. The Motel Six at the corner across from the big market. There are two. There are also many trail angels in Tehachapi. 
Have a great hike
Marmot

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Gary Schenk <gary at hbfun.org> wrote:
> 
> The LW and I hiked that section in the first week of April. No bears! But
> it was a tough section, we carried a lot of water. Fortunately the caches
> were stocked, so we did not have to divert to the springs.
> 
> It was tough, but not as tough as New Hampshire AT!
> 
> Gary
> 
>> On Wed, October 31, 2018 10:19 am, William E Frenette wrote:
>> Hi Ron when you hike that section hwy 58 to Jawbone watch out for Bears.
>> That's the only place I walked into one, or He walked into Me. He got
>> within 30' take care be safe would love to be on the trail with you but
>> alas LOVING IDAHO
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> groundpounderbill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>
>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Oct 30, 2018 1:40 pm
>> Subject: [pct-l] Section Hiking between California Highway 58 and Jawbone
>> Canyon Road
>> 
>> My next goal is to hike the 36 miles between Mile 566 and 602. Ok, you
>> say,
>> simple.  Get dropped off at Jawbone Canyon Road and the PCT and hike SB
>> for
>> three days, 12 miles per day (kind of my limit at age 74).  Yes, but
>> that's
>> also two nights on the trail, and no water till at least Golden Oaks
>> Spring
>> (20 miles south of Jawbone Canyon Road) and that was running slow on
>> 10/18.
>> Hopefully only because of sediment in the line. But what if it's dry?
>> 
>> Does anyone want to go with me? We could park one car at Highway 58
>> (Cameron Road Exit) where it would be up and out of sight of the highway,
>> then drive the other car up Jawbone Canyon Road to the PCT.  I know, I
>> know, then there will be the tedious drive back up Jawbone Canyon Road
>> (mostly dirt road, but fairly well maintained, possible in a two wheel
>> drive sedan, but I have a AWD SUV) at the end to retrieve the car we left
>> there.
>> 
>> 
>> Ron "Slow Charger" Graybill
>> Ontario, CA
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From pctl at oakapple.net  Fri Nov  2 07:30:22 2018
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 05:30:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Between Mica and Suiattle
Message-ID: <201811021230.wA2CUMm4029618@server-f.oakapple.net>


Beautiful in September - no place to be in October.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/02/german-hiker-thought-she-would-die-snowstorm-stranger-was-looking-out-her/

The huge storm that washed away half the PCT around there was also
in October.

From jtpapini at icloud.com  Sun Nov  4 00:51:18 2018
From: jtpapini at icloud.com (John Papini)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 09:51:18 +0400
Subject: [pct-l] Between Mica and Suiattle
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On that same topic, here is a link to the discussion thread where Nancy (the woman who called SAR) discusses the issue real-time with other forum members, starting with a nice trip report describing her first meeting with Katharina through bad weather reports, discussions about where she might have hiked to and what dangers she?s facing, to the SAR call and subsequent waiting and rescue. Even includes a nice point-counterpoint on the merits (and dangers!) of replacing maps with gps. 

http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8028533&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


Sent from my iPhone - please excuse any typographical errors!

> On Nov 2, 2018, at 4:30 PM, David Hough reading PCT-L <pctl at oakapple.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Beautiful in September - no place to be in October.
> 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/02/german-hiker-thought-she-would-die-snowstorm-stranger-was-looking-out-her/
> 
> The huge storm that washed away half the PCT around there was also
> in October.
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From terryjmichael at yahoo.com.au  Sat Nov  3 06:21:50 2018
From: terryjmichael at yahoo.com.au (terry michael)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 18:21:50 +0700
Subject: [pct-l] Trail days 2019
Message-ID: <20A3B1BA-F3EA-404D-A8F9-71F5AC9D44BA@yahoo.com.au>

Can someone give me the dates of traildays 2019. Am thru hiking 2019 and would like to participate. Thanking you flatlandclimbingtex.

Sent from my iPhone

From adrianyardley at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 15:51:23 2018
From: adrianyardley at gmail.com (Adrian Yardley)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:51:23 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Overseas plan to thru-hike
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Circumstances got in the way from attempting thru-hike of the PCT until
2019.

I bought Yogi's guide & Half Mile maps in 2013 - might these be OK for
2019? I confess to feeling rather overwhelmed by the volume of Yogi's
advice, and hoping practical knowledge can be picked up along the way, from
other hikers, from water reports, from town guides (Yogi)...

I'm aged 62, all bits still working. For the last 10 years have used Ray
Jardine kit (including tarp, wild-camping) thru-hiking national trails in
Britain & Europe. Probably need to make/buy a new backpack large enough to
take a bear canister. Any recommendations please.

Please advise on bear canister hire, and where.

I'm planning on 20 mile average, based on my experience. I've walked up to
30 miles daily over flattish ground, long days.

Is it basically OK to (vegetarian) supply along the route, excepting
sending forward selectively (and which sections especially to send
forward?).  Are supplies improving along the trail, as numbers of hikers
have increased?

I'd like to use a GPS, perhaps with solar charging, as cannot see how
batteries would work on PCT. Any tips on what kit to buy please. I've only
used GPS on a smartphone along some of the Lycian Way.

I plan to study 'self arrest' clips on YouTube and bring a lightweight snow
axe.

Mainly I wear running shoes, so would post ahead boots and ice axe and
crampons. Which sections would need boots rather than running shoes?

When I read about heavy snow and detours for fire, it concerns me if (as a
foreigner to the US) I'm being too ambitious. I hope that (with GPS) can
keep to the trail and will be overtaken by helpful hikers!

Thanks for keeping this bulletin going.
Any suggestions much appreciated.
I've kept bulletins from 2013 when I was last researching pct.

Adrian





On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:41 PM Adrian Yardley <adrianyardley at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for your help Steeleye, Bill, Matt, Scott, Scott, Douglas, David,
> and groudpounderbill:
>
> so:
> Yogi's book + Half Miles maps + water report
> Use postal service selectively
>
> best wishes
> Adrian
>

From rickrparker at icloud.com  Sun Nov  4 14:44:30 2018
From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 14:44:30 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Hwy 10 to Wrightwood
Message-ID: <7D800047-3978-4BD6-A8E9-20F6B81B2FEC@icloud.com>

I will be going thru mile 208 around March 25th.  What are the collective thoughts on snow thru the San Gorgornio Wilderness and the North side of Big  Bear?  I see the weather averages can be cold into the mid to high 20*s. But does this part of the trail typically hold challenging snow/ice?  Of course I?ll see it coming, just thinking about shipping Kathoolas ahead to Wrightwood?  Not concerned (at this point anyway) about Mt Laguna or San Jacinto.  

Thanks.
Rick

		

From pctl at marcusschwartz.com  Sun Nov  4 19:03:42 2018
From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:03:42 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Overseas plan to thru-hike
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References: <CAFwA+6zD2hQ_jvfU6hf_Wn6xuiEfe3866+snvRquedGL=6m2Tg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <b2c313f2-4249-ed95-8b20-0cf82b883e7e@marcusschwartz.com>

I hiked in 2016, and found Yogi's guide marginally useful (and that only 
for the town map pages), and Halfmile's maps not very useful.  99% of 
the time I used Halfmile's app, or Guthook's app.  Generally those two 
apps plus a pdf of the water report and of Halfmile's Town Notes were my 
reference materials, all on my smartphone.  These days, Hikerbot is also 
popular, but it was in early development during my hike, so I don't have 
firsthand experience with it.  I'd also suggest looking at Crows PCT 
Town Guide, from her blog "As the Crow Flies", for resupply and lodging 
information.

I wrote more about the common PCT apps in a PCT-L thread from mid-July 
this year called "GPS App question", you should be able to find it in 
the archives.

I don't recommend bringing a dedicated GPS, it's just a heavier, 
less-flexible smartphone these days.

Regarding your gear, I don't think I saw anybody using a tarp shelter on 
my hike.  Most people either used semi-freestanding 2-wall tents like 
the REI Quarter Dome and Big Agnes Fly Creek, or more pricey single-wall 
shelters like the Z-Packs Hexamid or Six Moon Designs shelters.

Osprey Exos backpacks were common, as were ULA Circuit and Catalyst, and 
Gossamer Gear Mariposas.  There was also a variety of boutique high-end 
packs from Z-Packs and the like.  I used an older Osprey Exos 46 and 
found it totally adequate, though lacking in hip belt padding.  I'm not 
an especially ultra-light backpacker, but a 46-liter pack was enough for 
the PCT for me.  I used quite a large bear can, and fit it sideways 
between the lid/brain and the main compartment of my pack.  I needed to 
add a couple bits of rope to keep it from sliding out the sides, but 
that being done it held a bear can fine.

I rented a Bearikade Expedition from Wild Ideas, which I was very 
pleased with.  The capacity was large, the weight was low, and the top 
opened easily.  They're expensive to buy, but the rental prices have 
good discounts for PCT and JMT hikers.

I had it shipped to Kennedy Meadows (South), approximately where 
canister regulations begin, and shipped it back at Sonora Pass.  Sonora 
Pass is not a town, it's just a picnic area, but I used a service called 
Sonora Pass Resupply which will drive out a resupply to you and also 
pick up your bear canister and ship it.  The next opportunity to ship a 
canister home was not so close, and I didn't want to spend time in town 
locating suitable packaging to ship a bear canister.

Incidentally, there is a new requirement for bear canisters for 
overnight campers in Lassen National Park.  The PCT goes through Lassen 
in Northern California, but that stretch of trail isn't very long.  It's 
easier to just schedule yourself so you don't stay overnight in Lassen 
than it is to work out a second round of bear canister shipping (or to 
carry your canister a few hundred extra miles from the Sierras).

Regarding distance, 20 mile average is just about exactly right.  If you 
haven't already, I'd suggest making sure you're experienced with desert 
hiking before starting the PCT, with long water carries and daytime 
temperatures above 100F.  The PCT begins right in the middle of the 
desert -- it doesn't ease you into it.  You need to understand your 
body's water needs in that kind of weather and terrain before you start, 
because there is no introductory part of the PCT.

Some people say that if you do the first 20 miles in 1 day (from Mexico 
to Lake Morena, a stretch that often has no water), you'll probably 
finish the PCT, if you can't you won't.  I'm not convinced that's true, 
but it is a good benchmark to make sure you won't fail quickly due to 
unfamiliarity with desert hiking.  It's also a good way to make sure you 
won't be a burden on the local rangers.

Speaking of the beginning of the trail, there's an excellent equipment 
shop around mile 40, so you will have a chance to change gear if it's 
clearly not working in the first 2 days.

Regarding food, I'm pescetarian (that is, vegetarian plus seafood), 
which on the trail worked out to pretty much vegetarian with the 
occasional packet of tuna.  So it's completely feasible to eat 
vegetarian on the PCT.  The only difficulty I encountered was picking 
other people's home-dehydrated food out of hiker boxes -- it usually has 
no ingredients list, so I missed out on that part of the PCT experience.

I tried to mail resupplies as rarely as possible, since it's hard to 
estimate my calorie needs and food preferences on the trail far in 
advance.  Plus, picking up resupply packages can be logistically 
difficult.  I suggest starting out with no mailed resupplies -- the 
first several towns vary from adequate to good resupply choices.  If you 
find this approach problematic, you can always start mailing resupplies 
later.  Some people start off mailing resupplies and never learn that 
it's an unnecessary hindrance.

If you do mail resupplies, I suggest mailing them to certain 
hiker-friendly businesses that will hold your resupply (especially 
hotels), rather than to post offices, since post offices tend to be open 
at inconvenient times (especially in small towns where mailed resupplies 
would be necessary).  Halfmile's Notes has a good list of such 
businesses in each town.

Earlier in my hike, I caught up to a hiker who I knew was much faster 
than myself in a small town.  He had mailed a resupply there, and 
arrived in town Friday afternoon, after the post office closed.  He had 
to wait there until late morning on Monday, largely just sitting around 
his tent since there were no public businesses to speak of in the town. 
I just bought my food and moved on.  It wasn't exactly what I wanted -- 
e.g. I bought instant pasta where I would've preferred instant ramen -- 
but it certainly wasn't worth a weekend to upgrade to ramen.

There are only a few places where you really do need to ship a resupply, 
and these days even those have some options for the creative resupplier.

Regarding keeping your phone charged, I suggest bringing a USB battery 
of 5000-10000mAh, rather than a solar charger.  It is lighter and more 
reliable than a solar charger, particularly when you reach the more 
northerly parts of the trail.  Unless you plan to avoid staying 
overnight in town very often, you should have ample opportunities to 
charge your phone and battery.  I do suggest bringing a charger that can 
charge both the phone and battery simultaneously, so you don't have to 
switch them at night when you stay in town.

Regarding phones, I don't have very specific suggestions, except that 
Verizon has by far the best coverage on the PCT, and do try to get one 
with a fast-charging technology (most newer phones do).  It's nice to be 
able to get most of you phone's battery back during lunch.  Also note 
that good smartphones have cameras good enough to replace a traditional 
compact camera in many situations (excepting telephoto), which can be a 
great weight savings.

I didn't bring an ice axe, and from what I hear, most people who did 
didn't know how to use them.  2016 was an average snow year, and though 
I did slip and fall down slopes several times, they were never long 
enough that an axe would've helped.

I talked to hikers in the much heavier 2017 snow year, and their main 
complaint was that they should've gone with a longer-handled axe.  So my 
guess is that when you do need an ice axe, the especially light ones are 
unsuitable.

Also, my understanding is that you must get practice using an ice axe in 
person on real snow to learn to use them in an emergency, you can't do 
it by watching clips.  If you live near mountains with snow, this 
shouldn't be too hard.  But all that said, I don't know how to use one 
myself.

Regarding boots vs. running shoes, I saw no thru-hikers using boots on 
any part of the trail, it was always trail runners (usually the 
non-waterproof varieties of Altra Lone Peak, paired with Injinji toe 
socks).  The High Sierras are the only reliably snowy part of the trail, 
and a typical PCT schedule will encounter them when the weather is quite 
warm, often over 80 degrees F.  Snow field crossings are no more than 
3-4 miles at most, and usually much shorter, so your feet have time to 
dry out.  I didn't even take my shoes off for river fords, because 
having damp feet for a mile or two in well-ventilated running shoes in 
warm summer weather was downright pleasant.

Regarding crampons, my understanding is that they're not necessary on 
the PCT in normal years.  Microspikes (that is, metal cleats that strap 
on to running shoes for snow field crossings) are much more common, and 
I brought them.  In retrospect, I'd have preferred not to -- they did 
make it possible to go faster across some snow fields, but there were no 
places that I couldn't have crossed without them.  So I didn't think it 
was worth carrying a pound of metal for hundreds of miles just to go a 
little bit faster on a few miles of snow fields.

Of course, all this depends on the late winter snowfall, which hasn't 
happened yet.  If there's a heavy snowfall, or if you intend to enter 
the Sierras abnormally early, your needs may differ greatly.

As for fire closures, Halfmile tends to publish recommended alternate 
routes on his website when they occur.  Hikers often band together in 
temporary groups for particularly long or awkward alternates.  It's also 
common to take public transit or hitchhike around closures.  There is 
generally information about these choices posted somewhere at the last 
resupply point before the closure, either in hiker hangouts, trail angel 
houses, or ranger stations.  I think the yearly PCT Facebook groups are 
commonly used for this kind of discussion, but I don't have an account.

As for safety in general and helpful hikers:  The trail is popular 
enough these days that if anything bad happens, you can just stay in one 
spot on the pct and someone will surely be by shortly.  With about 3000 
people starting within a couple months of one another, you're never all 
that far from another experienced hiker.

And lastly, the final rule is that the trail provides:  You'll 
inevitably find that you planned something wrong, that your gear broke, 
and that you left half you food in town, and it will inevitably work out.

Good luck,

  -=Town Food

On 11/3/18 1:51 PM, Adrian Yardley wrote:
> Circumstances got in the way from attempting thru-hike of the PCT until
> 2019.
> 
> I bought Yogi's guide & Half Mile maps in 2013 - might these be OK for
> 2019? I confess to feeling rather overwhelmed by the volume of Yogi's
> advice, and hoping practical knowledge can be picked up along the way, from
> other hikers, from water reports, from town guides (Yogi)...
> 
> I'm aged 62, all bits still working. For the last 10 years have used Ray
> Jardine kit (including tarp, wild-camping) thru-hiking national trails in
> Britain & Europe. Probably need to make/buy a new backpack large enough to
> take a bear canister. Any recommendations please.
> 
> Please advise on bear canister hire, and where.
> 
> I'm planning on 20 mile average, based on my experience. I've walked up to
> 30 miles daily over flattish ground, long days.
> 
> Is it basically OK to (vegetarian) supply along the route, excepting
> sending forward selectively (and which sections especially to send
> forward?).  Are supplies improving along the trail, as numbers of hikers
> have increased?
> 
> I'd like to use a GPS, perhaps with solar charging, as cannot see how
> batteries would work on PCT. Any tips on what kit to buy please. I've only
> used GPS on a smartphone along some of the Lycian Way.
> 
> I plan to study 'self arrest' clips on YouTube and bring a lightweight snow
> axe.
> 
> Mainly I wear running shoes, so would post ahead boots and ice axe and
> crampons. Which sections would need boots rather than running shoes?
> 
> When I read about heavy snow and detours for fire, it concerns me if (as a
> foreigner to the US) I'm being too ambitious. I hope that (with GPS) can
> keep to the trail and will be overtaken by helpful hikers!
> 
> Thanks for keeping this bulletin going.
> Any suggestions much appreciated.
> I've kept bulletins from 2013 when I was last researching pct.
> 
> Adrian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:41 PM Adrian Yardley <adrianyardley at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for your help Steeleye, Bill, Matt, Scott, Scott, Douglas, David,
>> and groudpounderbill:
>>
>> so:
>> Yogi's book + Half Miles maps + water report
>> Use postal service selectively
>>
>> best wishes
>> Adrian
>>
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From baidarker at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:41:10 2018
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 10:41:10 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Hwy 10 to Wrightwood
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Hey Rick,

I'd check in with the PCTA and Forest Service in Idyllwild before shipping
them as far as Whitewood in mid March.  Every year is different of course,
but on San Jacinto in 2010, I'd have given my eye teeth for the Katoolas I
later used all across the Sierra.  The experience on San Jacinto is the
reason several of us bought Katoolas for the Sierra.

We hit San Jacinto in late April that year and due to a recent airlift off
Apache Peak, the SAR guys all but begged us to jump forward and come back
to Idyllwild after it had melted out a bit more, as the rescues were
putting them in danger too.  Thirteen of us jumped forward to the
Saufley's, thank you Donna and Jeff for opening early to accommodate us,
and hiked from Agua Dulce to Walker Pass and then returned to Idyllwild
several weeks later only to find that the conditions had not improved very
much.  In typical thru hiker fashion, we went in anyway and found the most
difficult ice sections of the entire PCT that year, both on Apache Peak and
Fuller Ridge.  I had a pair of YakTraks, which were better than nothing,
but one soon tore on a bit of ice hidden chaparral and I limped along with
only one over Fuller Ridge.  It was doable, but dangerous, and Katoolas
would have made all the difference. Even Microspikes would have been good,
but like the Yak Traks, could have been prone to tear on hidden junk.
Katoolas were the ticket later on, and got my vote for best piece of gear I
used that year.

Sounds like you've got the right gear for an icy San Jacinto passage, so
hang onto them until close to departure and then decide where to ship them
to.  Mt. Laguna will probably be a piece of cake, but don't underestimate
San Jacinto.

Have a great hike!

Shroomer



On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 12:45 PM Rick Parker <rickrparker at icloud.com> wrote:

> I will be going thru mile 208 around March 25th.  What are the collective
> thoughts on snow thru the San Gorgornio Wilderness and the North side of
> Big  Bear?  I see the weather averages can be cold into the mid to high
> 20*s. But does this part of the trail typically hold challenging snow/ice?
> Of course I?ll see it coming, just thinking about shipping Kathoolas ahead
> to Wrightwood?  Not concerned (at this point anyway) about Mt Laguna or San
> Jacinto.
>
> Thanks.
> Rick
>
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From David_Harris at hmc.edu  Mon Nov  5 12:58:18 2018
From: David_Harris at hmc.edu (David Money Harris)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 10:58:18 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Hwy 10 to Wrightwood
Message-ID: <23C31E1A-4E08-4D36-A9D2-D8324AF43819@hmc.edu>

Rick,

In a normal year in late March, there will be snow on many miles of the trail at the higher elevations in the San Bernardino Mountains.  If there?s been a recent dump, it can be unconsolidated such that you?d want snow shoes.

Years have often been abnormal lately.

Check with the Big Bear rangers just before you leave, but be prepared for the possibility of winter conditions.

David

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Subject: [pct-l] Hwy 10 to Wrightwood
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I will be going thru mile 208 around March 25th.  What are the collective thoughts on snow thru the San Gorgornio Wilderness and the North side of Big  Bear?  I see the weather averages can be cold into the mid to high 20*s. But does this part of the trail typically hold challenging snow/ice?  Of course I?ll see it coming, just thinking about shipping Kathoolas ahead to Wrightwood?  Not concerned (at this point anyway) about Mt Laguna or San Jacinto.  

Thanks.
Rick

From temp3 at mflan.com  Mon Nov  5 20:09:50 2018
From: temp3 at mflan.com (Mike)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 20:09:50 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Overseas plan to thru-hike
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Thanks for taking the time to write this.
Very helpful information.


Mike


On 11/5/2018 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> I hiked in 2016, and found Yogi's guide marginally useful (and that only
> for the town map pages), and Halfmile's maps not very useful.  99% of
> the time I used Halfmile's app, or Guthook's app.  Generally those two
> apps plus a pdf of the water report and of Halfmile's Town Notes were my
> reference materials, all on my smartphone.  These days, Hikerbot is also
> popular, but it was in early development during my hike, so I don't have
> firsthand experience with it.  I'd also suggest looking at Crows PCT
> Town Guide, from her blog "As the Crow Flies", for resupply and lodging
> information.
>
> I wrote more about the common PCT apps in a PCT-L thread from mid-July
> this year called "GPS App question", you should be able to find it in
> the archives.
>
> I don't recommend bringing a dedicated GPS, it's just a heavier,
> less-flexible smartphone these days.
>
> Regarding your gear, I don't think I saw anybody using a tarp shelter on
> my hike.  Most people either used semi-freestanding 2-wall tents like
> the REI Quarter Dome and Big Agnes Fly Creek, or more pricey single-wall
> shelters like the Z-Packs Hexamid or Six Moon Designs shelters.
>
> Osprey Exos backpacks were common, as were ULA Circuit and Catalyst, and
> Gossamer Gear Mariposas.  There was also a variety of boutique high-end
> packs from Z-Packs and the like.  I used an older Osprey Exos 46 and
> found it totally adequate, though lacking in hip belt padding.  I'm not
> an especially ultra-light backpacker, but a 46-liter pack was enough for
> the PCT for me.  I used quite a large bear can, and fit it sideways
> between the lid/brain and the main compartment of my pack.  I needed to
> add a couple bits of rope to keep it from sliding out the sides, but
> that being done it held a bear can fine.
>
> I rented a Bearikade Expedition from Wild Ideas, which I was very
> pleased with.  The capacity was large, the weight was low, and the top
> opened easily.  They're expensive to buy, but the rental prices have
> good discounts for PCT and JMT hikers.
>
> I had it shipped to Kennedy Meadows (South), approximately where
> canister regulations begin, and shipped it back at Sonora Pass.  Sonora
> Pass is not a town, it's just a picnic area, but I used a service called
> Sonora Pass Resupply which will drive out a resupply to you and also
> pick up your bear canister and ship it.  The next opportunity to ship a
> canister home was not so close, and I didn't want to spend time in town
> locating suitable packaging to ship a bear canister.
>
> Incidentally, there is a new requirement for bear canisters for
> overnight campers in Lassen National Park.  The PCT goes through Lassen
> in Northern California, but that stretch of trail isn't very long.  It's
> easier to just schedule yourself so you don't stay overnight in Lassen
> than it is to work out a second round of bear canister shipping (or to
> carry your canister a few hundred extra miles from the Sierras).
>
> Regarding distance, 20 mile average is just about exactly right.  If you
> haven't already, I'd suggest making sure you're experienced with desert
> hiking before starting the PCT, with long water carries and daytime
> temperatures above 100F.  The PCT begins right in the middle of the
> desert -- it doesn't ease you into it.  You need to understand your
> body's water needs in that kind of weather and terrain before you start,
> because there is no introductory part of the PCT.
>
> Some people say that if you do the first 20 miles in 1 day (from Mexico
> to Lake Morena, a stretch that often has no water), you'll probably
> finish the PCT, if you can't you won't.  I'm not convinced that's true,
> but it is a good benchmark to make sure you won't fail quickly due to
> unfamiliarity with desert hiking.  It's also a good way to make sure you
> won't be a burden on the local rangers.
>
> Speaking of the beginning of the trail, there's an excellent equipment
> shop around mile 40, so you will have a chance to change gear if it's
> clearly not working in the first 2 days.
>
> Regarding food, I'm pescetarian (that is, vegetarian plus seafood),
> which on the trail worked out to pretty much vegetarian with the
> occasional packet of tuna.  So it's completely feasible to eat
> vegetarian on the PCT.  The only difficulty I encountered was picking
> other people's home-dehydrated food out of hiker boxes -- it usually has
> no ingredients list, so I missed out on that part of the PCT experience.
>
> I tried to mail resupplies as rarely as possible, since it's hard to
> estimate my calorie needs and food preferences on the trail far in
> advance.  Plus, picking up resupply packages can be logistically
> difficult.  I suggest starting out with no mailed resupplies -- the
> first several towns vary from adequate to good resupply choices.  If you
> find this approach problematic, you can always start mailing resupplies
> later.  Some people start off mailing resupplies and never learn that
> it's an unnecessary hindrance.
>
> If you do mail resupplies, I suggest mailing them to certain
> hiker-friendly businesses that will hold your resupply (especially
> hotels), rather than to post offices, since post offices tend to be open
> at inconvenient times (especially in small towns where mailed resupplies
> would be necessary).  Halfmile's Notes has a good list of such
> businesses in each town.
>
> Earlier in my hike, I caught up to a hiker who I knew was much faster
> than myself in a small town.  He had mailed a resupply there, and
> arrived in town Friday afternoon, after the post office closed.  He had
> to wait there until late morning on Monday, largely just sitting around
> his tent since there were no public businesses to speak of in the town.
> I just bought my food and moved on.  It wasn't exactly what I wanted --
> e.g. I bought instant pasta where I would've preferred instant ramen --
> but it certainly wasn't worth a weekend to upgrade to ramen.
>
> There are only a few places where you really do need to ship a resupply,
> and these days even those have some options for the creative resupplier.
>
> Regarding keeping your phone charged, I suggest bringing a USB battery
> of 5000-10000mAh, rather than a solar charger.  It is lighter and more
> reliable than a solar charger, particularly when you reach the more
> northerly parts of the trail.  Unless you plan to avoid staying
> overnight in town very often, you should have ample opportunities to
> charge your phone and battery.  I do suggest bringing a charger that can
> charge both the phone and battery simultaneously, so you don't have to
> switch them at night when you stay in town.
>
> Regarding phones, I don't have very specific suggestions, except that
> Verizon has by far the best coverage on the PCT, and do try to get one
> with a fast-charging technology (most newer phones do).  It's nice to be
> able to get most of you phone's battery back during lunch.  Also note
> that good smartphones have cameras good enough to replace a traditional
> compact camera in many situations (excepting telephoto), which can be a
> great weight savings.
>
> I didn't bring an ice axe, and from what I hear, most people who did
> didn't know how to use them.  2016 was an average snow year, and though
> I did slip and fall down slopes several times, they were never long
> enough that an axe would've helped.
>
> I talked to hikers in the much heavier 2017 snow year, and their main
> complaint was that they should've gone with a longer-handled axe.  So my
> guess is that when you do need an ice axe, the especially light ones are
> unsuitable.
>
> Also, my understanding is that you must get practice using an ice axe in
> person on real snow to learn to use them in an emergency, you can't do
> it by watching clips.  If you live near mountains with snow, this
> shouldn't be too hard.  But all that said, I don't know how to use one
> myself.
>
> Regarding boots vs. running shoes, I saw no thru-hikers using boots on
> any part of the trail, it was always trail runners (usually the
> non-waterproof varieties of Altra Lone Peak, paired with Injinji toe
> socks).  The High Sierras are the only reliably snowy part of the trail,
> and a typical PCT schedule will encounter them when the weather is quite
> warm, often over 80 degrees F.  Snow field crossings are no more than
> 3-4 miles at most, and usually much shorter, so your feet have time to
> dry out.  I didn't even take my shoes off for river fords, because
> having damp feet for a mile or two in well-ventilated running shoes in
> warm summer weather was downright pleasant.
>
> Regarding crampons, my understanding is that they're not necessary on
> the PCT in normal years.  Microspikes (that is, metal cleats that strap
> on to running shoes for snow field crossings) are much more common, and
> I brought them.  In retrospect, I'd have preferred not to -- they did
> make it possible to go faster across some snow fields, but there were no
> places that I couldn't have crossed without them.  So I didn't think it
> was worth carrying a pound of metal for hundreds of miles just to go a
> little bit faster on a few miles of snow fields.
>
> Of course, all this depends on the late winter snowfall, which hasn't
> happened yet.  If there's a heavy snowfall, or if you intend to enter
> the Sierras abnormally early, your needs may differ greatly.
>
> As for fire closures, Halfmile tends to publish recommended alternate
> routes on his website when they occur.  Hikers often band together in
> temporary groups for particularly long or awkward alternates.  It's also
> common to take public transit or hitchhike around closures.  There is
> generally information about these choices posted somewhere at the last
> resupply point before the closure, either in hiker hangouts, trail angel
> houses, or ranger stations.  I think the yearly PCT Facebook groups are
> commonly used for this kind of discussion, but I don't have an account.
>
> As for safety in general and helpful hikers:  The trail is popular
> enough these days that if anything bad happens, you can just stay in one
> spot on the pct and someone will surely be by shortly.  With about 3000
> people starting within a couple months of one another, you're never all
> that far from another experienced hiker.
>
> And lastly, the final rule is that the trail provides:  You'll
> inevitably find that you planned something wrong, that your gear broke,
> and that you left half you food in town, and it will inevitably work out.
>
> Good luck,
>
>    -=Town Food


From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 21:15:32 2018
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:15:32 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] [ URGENT ] Opening dates for the 2019 PCT long-distance
 permit
Message-ID: <CALu=H=g=A1j9ftXWtYHtHJs5NPR6yUJeyP9dchOhQEt4ANCqMA@mail.gmail.com>

Starting at or near the Mexican border (both thru-hikers and section hikers)

These permits are limited to 50 people per day. We will release these
permits in two phases, so if you miss getting a permit in the first phase,
you?ll have the opportunity to try again.

   1. On November 14 at 10:30 a.m. Pacific Time, 35 permits per day will
   become available.
   2. On January 15 at 10:30 a.m. Pacific Time, the remaining 15 permits
   per day will become available.

There is no way to pre-apply.
Starting elsewhere (Southbound thru-hikers and other section hike
itineraries)

We?ll start accepting permit applications on January 15 at 10:30 a.m.
Pacific Time.

Good Luck Everybody!

>>> Paint <<<

PCT Long-distance Permit
<https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/permits/pct-long-distance-permit/>

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 21:22:10 2018
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:22:10 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] New this year: changes in the Mt. Whitney area
Message-ID: <CALu=H=jRVkPgELeteAUXJ92PDyUEi8nf9S6Kamv-BfCeisa4aQ@mail.gmail.com>

In 2019, PCT long-distance permit holders can still access Mt. Whitney from
the west (where the PCT is). The old ?add-on? Mt. Whitney permit for the
east side that provided access down the Mt. Whitney Trail to Whitney Portal
has been eliminated. Local agencies can still issue permits for access to
and from Whitney Portal. Please read more about what you need to know about
access to Mt. Whitney here
<https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/permits/pct-long-distance-permit/#whitney>
.

Here?s what you need to know about Mt. Whitney

PCT long-distance permit holders *are allowed to day hike from the PCT to
the summit of Mt. Whitney* and back to the PCT.

Due to high alpine camping impact concerns, PCT long-distance permit
holders *are NOT allowed to camp east of the Crabtree Ranger Station*? that
includes no camping at Guitar Lake or on the mountain itself. Nor are you
allowed to descend the east side of the mountain via the Whitney Trail to
Whitney Portal.

Horses, mules and other stock are not permitted beyond the base of the
switchbacks on Mt. Whitney.
No PCT long-distance permits will be issued for trips starting, ending or
resupplying at Whitney Portal. To hike that section, you will need to get a
permit from a local land management agency
<https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/permits/under-500-miles/>.

>>> Paint <<<

New this year: changes in the Mt. Whitney area
<https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/permits/pct-long-distance-permit/>

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 21:27:23 2018
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:27:23 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCT visitor use statistics
Message-ID: <CALu=H=iQQdR7WLF198JDrkpJ_BQzLiF8ZwbXQYut3KpcLkyNwA@mail.gmail.com>

The Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail, known for its wild character and
remote location and iconic landscapes, becomes more popular every year.
Intuitively, we know that only a small percentage of people using the trail
take months off from work or school to travel along its entire length. The
vast majority of PCT users are out for short trips: day hikes and horseback
rides, weekend backpacking or horseback riding trips, or maybe for a week
or two.


How many people use the PCT?

We?d love to know exactly how many people use the Pacific Crest Trail.
Probably hundreds of thousands or more than a million people use the PCT
each year?if we were to count every person who steps on to some section of
the trail. We just don?t know and there?s no feasible way to count them all.

>>> Paint <<<

PCT visitor use statistics
<https://www.pcta.org/our-work/trail-and-land-management/pct-visitor-use-statistics/>

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 22:01:20 2018
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 21:01:20 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Pacific Crest Trail Closures
Message-ID: <CALu=H=ixVzpxLY7OvS1vcWLUaK5XS=z=NrYC7RdvRne=ZhGVOA@mail.gmail.com>

Southern CA

Whitewater Canyon fire risk closure

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/southern-california/whitewater-fire-risk/

Mountain Fire closure on San Jacinto, Calif.

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/southern-california/mountain-fire-san-jacinto/

Idyllwild ? Cranston Fire

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/southern-california/idyllwild/

Holcomb Fire closure near Big Bear, Calif.

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/southern-california/holcomb-fire-closure-near-big-bear-calif/

Angeles NF endangered species closure

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/southern-california/anf-endangered-species-closure/

Sand Fire camping closure

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/southern-california/sand-fire/

Central CA

Lions Fire near Mammoth Mountain, Calif.

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/central-california/lions-fire-mammoth-lakes/

Donnell Fire on Stanislaus National Forest, Calif.

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/central-california/donnell-fire-on-stanislaus-national-forest-calif/

Northern CA

Hirz and Delta Fires near Castle Crags

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/northern-california/hirz-fire-closes-pct-near-castle-crags/

Oregon

Eagle Creek Fire in Columbia River Gorge, Oregon

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/oregon/eagle-creek-columbia-river/


Washington

Norse Peak Fire closure near Mt. Rainier, Washington

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/washington/norse-peak-fire/

Miriam and Clear Fork fires in Goat Rocks Wilderness, Wash.

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/washington/miriam-fire/

Bannock Lakes Fire south of Stehekin

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/washington/fire-north-of-suiattle-pass/

Holman Fire, Pasayten Wilderness, Washington

https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/washington/pasayten-wilderness-fires-washington/

>>> Paint <<<

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 23:57:58 2018
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:57:58 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Overseas plan to thru-hike
Message-ID: <CALu=H=hS63EK2Ei86yqE4C_Y49TxTK0MZ7zqhB-qxHcXyos1-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Town Food-

Exemplary post and advice! Take a bow...

Adrian-

My two cents worth: I wear breathable (size 17) Keen boots. I always have
and I almost never get any blisters or other injuries, save for my rookie
year when I wore a boot too small (size 14) and ended up with a detached
tendon, because I loosened the laces too much and rolled my foot. I've
decided to live with, and hike with, the injury, so... to each their own.
Disclaimer- I was a long distance runner and skydiver, before I was a
hiker, so I had a history of ankle injuries that included sprains and
rolls. By the way, the weight of the boots are inconsequential to me.

I like paper maps. I study them at night, and use the back of them for
notes (for me- one sided is OK). I also use the apps. Guthook, Half Mile,
Hiker bot, and HM's water report, and HM's resupplies notes.

Ice axe- Per Town Food- get the longest handled one you can find, and have
it in your hands when conditions dictate, AND use a lanyard.

Tent vs tarp. I tried the tarp, after first using a tent, and at times, had
ground bugs crawling all over me, AND... it's a refuge from flies, gnats,
and mosquitoes, especially when they are in the swarming mood. Driving rain
or snow, will make you appreciate a tent over a tarp too. Single wall vs
double wall? Double wall every time. I was at mile 127, in early March, at
Mike Herrerra's, and it literally rained 10'' over 48 hours on Mt. Palomar,
which was 10 miles to the west. I had put my poncho over my tent for added
protection and rode out the storm in this configuration, albeit I was
surrounded by a mini lake of about 1 inch of water. The tent and fly give
great flexibility- options wise. On calm clear nights, I rarely used the
fly, enjoying great visibility and ventilation, or I simply cowboy camped
depending on the bug situation. It makes a great "but heavy" pillow too.

Battery vs solar panel? I started with a solar panel and gravitated to a
battery. Reliability and mobility- you don't have to stop and charge the
panel, once the sun breaks out, after hiding for days behind the clouds. OR
& WA apply here in this situation.

Rain gear. Jacket and pants. OR & WA apply here, especially in this
situation. Whatever you use... test it out ahead of time so that you know
it will perform as intended. You are still going to get wet from
perspiration. I guarantee it! Where the trail is overgrown for miles and
miles, you'll appreciate the pants deflecting the rain and dew that gloms
onto the plants. I fell two miles from Canada, on the way up to the
terminus, and split my leg open below my left knee. I should have gone into
town when and where I could, and gotten stitches. Guessing around 12-16, to
close up the wound. Instead, I kept putting anything I had on the wound,
but because I did not have my rain pants with me at that time, the water
laden plants soaked my scab and caused it to remain soggy, preventing
healing for almost a month. I risked a staph infection or much worse, on
that boneheaded decision.

Water. Carry as much as you can handle. As a rookie, and until I learned
enough about hiking and about myself, I carried two gallons of water
everywhere I went. My fourth year of hiking I developed a bad habit of only
carrying one liter of water between sources while south-bounding WA. In
southern WA, the water started running out, and three days in a row, I ran
out of water, and had to walk an extra 10 miles at the end of each day, to
a known lake for resupply. Also, hiking food is so damn salty, that between
supper and breakfast, it's so easy to burn through a gallon of water. One
liter for cooking and one liter for drinking each meal, AND one liter for
bathing at night, if one wants to make the camping aspect a bit more
pleasurable. This is primarily a dry camping situation. Running out of
water- if it is the desert, don't panic. Seek shade and wait for it to cool
off, and then hike to a source. I know something about the desert, as I've
left Campo, in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, & 2016- all drought years. Desert
hot! But spectacular in it's own right. Just about all of the coyotes have
relocated elsewhere, on what seems like a permanent basis.

Food- Get plenty of it, as it is one of the highlights of each day,
especially supper. I resupplied along the trail. There's resupply points
about every week or 100 miles, with a couple of exceptions here and there.
This aspect makes for interesting and creative excursions into towns, with
a mystery component now and then. You'll be surprised at the generosity of
people that are chance encounters along the way.

I'm fading fast- I have a 12 hour road trip back up into the Sierra
mountains tomorrow, to help shutter VVR (a PCT/JMT resupply point) for the
winter- at mile 878 NOBO.

All the best,

>>> Paint <<<

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 14:19:45 2018
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:19:45 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] 2019 PCT long distance permit [ QUEUE ]
Message-ID: <CALu=H=g8PWBmcnU0ohSwZbzNMhTC34-G4hm0_fFrcXMXhBXLHw@mail.gmail.com>

You are in line for the PCT Long-distance Permit application. When it is
your turn, you will have 10 minutes to enter the website.

Your number in line: 6073
Number of users in line ahead of you: 2788
Expected arrival time on the website: more than an hour
Your estimated wait time is: more than an hour

How bout' them apples?

>>> Paint <<<

From troopharrison at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 14:28:03 2018
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:28:03 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] 2019 PCT long distance permit [ QUEUE ]
In-Reply-To: <CALu=H=g8PWBmcnU0ohSwZbzNMhTC34-G4hm0_fFrcXMXhBXLHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALu=H=g8PWBmcnU0ohSwZbzNMhTC34-G4hm0_fFrcXMXhBXLHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bec8554.1c69fb81.37316.5045@mx.google.com>

Wowzer!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Paint YW
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:20 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] 2019 PCT long distance permit [ QUEUE ]

You are in line for the PCT Long-distance Permit application. When it is
your turn, you will have 10 minutes to enter the website.

Your number in line: 6073
Number of users in line ahead of you: 2788
Expected arrival time on the website: more than an hour
Your estimated wait time is: more than an hour

How bout' them apples?

>>> Paint <<<
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From HStroh at sjmslaw.com  Wed Nov 14 14:32:51 2018
From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:32:51 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] 2019 PCT long distance permit [ QUEUE ]
In-Reply-To: <5bec8554.1c69fb81.37316.5045@mx.google.com>
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Well if its any consolation, I was 1,035, it took about an hour, and almost every day still had slots available. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> On Behalf Of Sabrina Harrison
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 12:28 PM
To: Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2019 PCT long distance permit [ QUEUE ]

Wowzer!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Paint YW
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:20 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] 2019 PCT long distance permit [ QUEUE ]

You are in line for the PCT Long-distance Permit application. When it is your turn, you will have 10 minutes to enter the website.

Your number in line: 6073
Number of users in line ahead of you: 2788 Expected arrival time on the website: more than an hour Your estimated wait time is: more than an hour

How bout' them apples?

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From carlito at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 16:07:13 2018
From: carlito at gmail.com (Carl Siechert)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:07:13 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] 2019 PCT long distance permit [ QUEUE ]
In-Reply-To: <eb3e21027cbd487daa41743a7f89fbab@MALAWI.SJLM.local>
References: <CALu=H=g8PWBmcnU0ohSwZbzNMhTC34-G4hm0_fFrcXMXhBXLHw@mail.gmail.com>
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No waiting right now.

Available dates for Mexican border start are before March 4 or after May 20.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 12:32 PM Herb Stroh <HStroh at sjmslaw.com> wrote:

> Well if its any consolation, I was 1,035, it took about an hour, and
> almost every day still had slots available.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> On Behalf Of Sabrina Harrison
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 12:28 PM
> To: Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2019 PCT long distance permit [ QUEUE ]
>
> Wowzer!
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Paint YW
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:20 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] 2019 PCT long distance permit [ QUEUE ]
>
> You are in line for the PCT Long-distance Permit application. When it is
> your turn, you will have 10 minutes to enter the website.
>
> Your number in line: 6073
> Number of users in line ahead of you: 2788 Expected arrival time on the
> website: more than an hour Your estimated wait time is: more than an hour
>
> How bout' them apples?
>
> >>> Paint <<<
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From tumstead96 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 17:28:50 2018
From: tumstead96 at gmail.com (Tim Umstead)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:28:50 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Anish completes her Calendar Year Triple Crown
Message-ID: <CAD3yqM3PY+KicvQ297PbRG5eMOpgfMgSi8benq_xZ5dGj=pzJQ@mail.gmail.com>

>From the CDT-L

Barker - Heather
 ?Anish? Anderson just became the
 first woman to complete the Calendar Year Triple Crown by
 thru-hiking
 the Appalachian Trail, Continental Divide Trail, and Pacific
 Crest Trail
  in a single year. It is her third time completing the
 Triple Crown.
  https://gearjunkie.com/heather-anish-anderson-triple-crown-speed-record

From tumstead96 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 18:02:44 2018
From: tumstead96 at gmail.com (Tim Umstead)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:02:44 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Permit Memories
Message-ID: <CAD3yqM0NUi5buFdXHaMxp5eYw5go69afHeZUkcEp1KMwpjkrTg@mail.gmail.com>

The first time my wife and I hiked the PCT, back in 1996, there was no
registration through the PCTA.  I drove to a Cleveland National Forest
office to fill out the permit.  The person there had not heard of the PCT
and could not imagine anyone hiking that far.  The permit wanted me to fill
in nights and I showed them my 5 month schedule.  In the end, I just put
towns and my itinerary dates and not all of those fit.

Things have changed a bit.

The Ravens
PCT 96, 15
CDT 17

From denisstanton at mac.com  Thu Nov 15 21:01:39 2018
From: denisstanton at mac.com (Denis Stanton)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 16:01:39 +1300
Subject: [pct-l] Permit Memories
In-Reply-To: <CAD3yqM0NUi5buFdXHaMxp5eYw5go69afHeZUkcEp1KMwpjkrTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD3yqM0NUi5buFdXHaMxp5eYw5go69afHeZUkcEp1KMwpjkrTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0A72C39-75C6-49F0-A733-268C1642AB23@mac.com>

Maybe not changed so much.  I think I met the same ranger at a roadside stop on my way to section-hike north from Sonora pass in 2016.  He was very annoyed with me not being able to name each of the campsites I would use.  Told me crossly that SOME people plan their hikes.

Denis

> On 16/11/2018, at 1:02 PM, Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The first time my wife and I hiked the PCT, back in 1996, there was no
> registration through the PCTA.  I drove to a Cleveland National Forest
> office to fill out the permit.  The person there had not heard of the PCT
> and could not imagine anyone hiking that far.  The permit wanted me to fill
> in nights and I showed them my 5 month schedule.  In the end, I just put
> towns and my itinerary dates and not all of those fit.
> 
> Things have changed a bit.
> 
> The Ravens
> PCT 96, 15
> CDT 17
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From tumstead96 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 22:56:40 2018
From: tumstead96 at gmail.com (Tim Umstead)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:56:40 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Permit Memories
In-Reply-To: <CAD3yqM02v21Au-0-a7MO21qqmZtkPh28pv1XMzsoLUZLXwxsTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD3yqM0NUi5buFdXHaMxp5eYw5go69afHeZUkcEp1KMwpjkrTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <A0A72C39-75C6-49F0-A733-268C1642AB23@mac.com>
 <CAD3yqM3r6xm1njtOkWCCcBfqQa0pZ8Sm73r_XqXvf_L0QQFhSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD3yqM02v21Au-0-a7MO21qqmZtkPh28pv1XMzsoLUZLXwxsTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD3yqM0CB7rjNg3X-8FrDXog==V7j3wCE4PDL8e_5ZN-Uqf4DQ@mail.gmail.com>

In '96 we meet only one ranger, just outside of Tuolumne Meadows.

In '15 we meet only one volunteer ranger on Devils Slide, heading up it of
Idyllwild.

CDT in '17, 0 rangers.

On Nov 15, 2018 7:01 PM, "Denis Stanton" <denisstanton at mac.com> wrote:

Maybe not changed so much.  I think I met the same ranger at a roadside
stop on my way to section-hike north from Sonora pass in 2016.  He was very
annoyed with me not being able to name each of the campsites I would use.
Told me crossly that SOME people plan their hikes.

Denis

> On 16/11/2018, at 1:02 PM, Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The first time my wife and I hiked the PCT, back in 1996, there was no
> registration through the PCTA.  I drove to a Cleveland National Forest
> office to fill out the permit.  The person there had not heard of the PCT
> and could not imagine anyone hiking that far.  The permit wanted me to
fill
> in nights and I showed them my 5 month schedule.  In the end, I just put
> towns and my itinerary dates and not all of those fit.
>
> Things have changed a bit.
>
> The Ravens
> PCT 96, 15
> CDT 17
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 17 16:08:58 2018
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:08:58 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
Message-ID: <BN1PR0401MB09648A5BC114EF6C1903C8FDC8DE0@BN1PR0401MB0964.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Now that it is so obvious what can happen, I want to remind the class of 2019 that we do not make fires on the PCT. The Calif fire permit simply allows a hiker to use a backcountry camping stove and in very limited situations have a campfire.  As someone who has put out campfires (on numerous trails)after people have walked away ,thinking they were out, I'm asking you to make a choice to be adult and responsible. People from other parts of the country and world show up on this trail not understanding the ecosystem and imagine that they can build a fire each night as a emotional comfort/cooking unit/source of Somemores. That isn't true. We have high winds,volatile chapparal and small campsites. Many inexperienced hikers start the PCT. Many hikers don't even know how to use their equipment--eg --put up their tents so that they don't blow over in a wind. That's fine. You will learn.  But, please do not make fires. You are not backpacking.  Or at summer camp   You are long distance hiking. There is a lot to learn. And if I hear one more time how we need fire so that the forest 
regenerates. .............That is misunderstanding the chapparal ecosystem. Having hiked the trail at this point 2 1/3 times it makes me so sad to see the areas of the trail that used to have water and shade turned into permanent grasslands because they were burned so completely at very high heat and the climate has changed enough that there will never be enough water to regrow the big trees. We now get enough water to grow crops of fast burning grass and low brush and bumper crops of poodledog bush. It takes about 5 years for the poodledog to cycle out to more mature growth after a fire. 
The Woolsey fire burned 83% of the National Forest Land in the Santa Monica mtns. It's a similar ecosystem. No one knows yet what started that fire. Let's not have PCT hikers add to the threat and the problem. Please get warm in your sleeping bag and your tent and get emotional support from your hiker friends not from a campfire. I have no idea how many animals died in addition to the human deaths in these last fires.  We will never know. At one point people burned or buried their camping trash. Who would even think of doing that now?  Each year there are people in their blogs talking about having a fire each night and how good it makes them feel. I hope that this year that stops 
Thank you
Marmot


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From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 16:27:50 2018
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 15:27:50 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
In-Reply-To: <BN1PR0401MB09648A5BC114EF6C1903C8FDC8DE0@BN1PR0401MB0964.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN1PR0401MB09648A5BC114EF6C1903C8FDC8DE0@BN1PR0401MB0964.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Put your perspective on the 2019 facebook group, over and over. I've 
hiked sections of the PCT for 50 years and too often it is young people 
who are looking for meaning in life that build fires for camaraderie.? 
They don't necessarily have a big picture view or understanding of the 
trail and the environment it goes through. Most do, but all it takes is 
one person to build a fire and everyone at a camp to shrug their 
shoulders and warm their hands and spirits.

I think you'll be speaking to the choir this year, but in years past, 
I've encountered lots of shrugs and eye rolling when actually talking 
with someone who built a fire.

Jeff...

On 11/17/2018 3:08 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
> Now that it is so obvious what can happen, I want to remind the class of 2019 that we do not make fires on the PCT. The Calif fire permit simply allows a hiker to use a backcountry camping stove and in very limited situations have a campfire.  As someone who has put out campfires (on numerous trails)after people have walked away ,thinking they were out, I'm asking you to make a choice to be adult and responsible. People from other parts of the country and world show up on this trail not understanding the ecosystem and imagine that they can build a fire each night as a emotional comfort/cooking unit/source of Somemores. That isn't true. We have high winds,volatile chapparal and small campsites. Many inexperienced hikers start the PCT. Many hikers don't even know how to use their equipment--eg --put up their tents so that they don't blow over in a wind. That's fine. You will learn.  But, please do not make fires. You are not backpacking.  Or at summer camp   You are long distance hikin
>   g. There is a lot to learn. And if I hear one more time how we need fire so that the forest
> regenerates. .............That is misunderstanding the chapparal ecosystem. Having hiked the trail at this point 2 1/3 times it makes me so sad to see the areas of the trail that used to have water and shade turned into permanent grasslands because they were burned so completely at very high heat and the climate has changed enough that there will never be enough water to regrow the big trees. We now get enough water to grow crops of fast burning grass and low brush and bumper crops of poodledog bush. It takes about 5 years for the poodledog to cycle out to more mature growth after a fire.
> The Woolsey fire burned 83% of the National Forest Land in the Santa Monica mtns. It's a similar ecosystem. No one knows yet what started that fire. Let's not have PCT hikers add to the threat and the problem. Please get warm in your sleeping bag and your tent and get emotional support from your hiker friends not from a campfire. I have no idea how many animals died in addition to the human deaths in these last fires.  We will never know. At one point people burned or buried their camping trash. Who would even think of doing that now?  Each year there are people in their blogs talking about having a fire each night and how good it makes them feel. I hope that this year that stops
> Thank you
> Marmot
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 17 16:37:08 2018
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:37:08 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
In-Reply-To: <4915463a-32a0-e150-f70e-1d2994e20f26@gmail.com>
References: <BN1PR0401MB09648A5BC114EF6C1903C8FDC8DE0@BN1PR0401MB0964.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
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I'm not on Facebook. If anyone else is they have my permission to post my email
Marmot

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Put your perspective on the 2019 facebook group, over and over. I've hiked sections of the PCT for 50 years and too often it is young people who are looking for meaning in life that build fires for camaraderie.  They don't necessarily have a big picture view or understanding of the trail and the environment it goes through. Most do, but all it takes is one person to build a fire and everyone at a camp to shrug their shoulders and warm their hands and spirits.
> 
> I think you'll be speaking to the choir this year, but in years past, I've encountered lots of shrugs and eye rolling when actually talking with someone who built a fire.
> 
> Jeff...
> 
>> On 11/17/2018 3:08 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
>> Now that it is so obvious what can happen, I want to remind the class of 2019 that we do not make fires on the PCT. The Calif fire permit simply allows a hiker to use a backcountry camping stove and in very limited situations have a campfire.  As someone who has put out campfires (on numerous trails)after people have walked away ,thinking they were out, I'm asking you to make a choice to be adult and responsible. People from other parts of the country and world show up on this trail not understanding the ecosystem and imagine that they can build a fire each night as a emotional comfort/cooking unit/source of Somemores. That isn't true. We have high winds,volatile chapparal and small campsites. Many inexperienced hikers start the PCT. Many hikers don't even know how to use their equipment--eg --put up their tents so that they don't blow over in a wind. That's fine. You will learn.  But, please do not make fires. You are not backpacking.  Or at summer camp   You are long distance hikin
>>  g. There is a lot to learn. And if I hear one more time how we need fire so that the forest
>> regenerates. .............That is misunderstanding the chapparal ecosystem. Having hiked the trail at this point 2 1/3 times it makes me so sad to see the areas of the trail that used to have water and shade turned into permanent grasslands because they were burned so completely at very high heat and the climate has changed enough that there will never be enough water to regrow the big trees. We now get enough water to grow crops of fast burning grass and low brush and bumper crops of poodledog bush. It takes about 5 years for the poodledog to cycle out to more mature growth after a fire.
>> The Woolsey fire burned 83% of the National Forest Land in the Santa Monica mtns. It's a similar ecosystem. No one knows yet what started that fire. Let's not have PCT hikers add to the threat and the problem. Please get warm in your sleeping bag and your tent and get emotional support from your hiker friends not from a campfire. I have no idea how many animals died in addition to the human deaths in these last fires.  We will never know. At one point people burned or buried their camping trash. Who would even think of doing that now?  Each year there are people in their blogs talking about having a fire each night and how good it makes them feel. I hope that this year that stops
>> Thank you
>> Marmot
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 17 16:53:10 2018
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:53:10 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
In-Reply-To: <4915463a-32a0-e150-f70e-1d2994e20f26@gmail.com>
References: <BN1PR0401MB09648A5BC114EF6C1903C8FDC8DE0@BN1PR0401MB0964.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
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At the end of another huge fire on the west side of the Sierra and a fire ban   A few of us came on some people who started a campfire in between Chicken Spring and that next big creek. The wind was blowing--as it often does at that time of day. We all asked them to put out their fire. No luck. We were interfering with their fantasy hike. It would have taken one leaf blowing in, catching fire and blowing out to burn that whole area. How long would it take to bring in fire fighters from Horseshoe Meadow? The same thing happened at Little Jimmy. Fire ban after that fire(Whitewater(?)) that closed the trail for maybe two years and there were people making huge bonfires. It could have burned the whole ridge up Baden Powell before anyone could put it out. They would not listen because that was spoiling it for them. Luckily some of us were able to find a ranger. He tore off in his truck up the backside of the mtn and put a stop to the behavior   Thank goodness. It's hard to say something and it won't always work but sometimes it does 
Marmot




Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Put your perspective on the 2019 facebook group, over and over. I've hiked sections of the PCT for 50 years and too often it is young people who are looking for meaning in life that build fires for camaraderie.  They don't necessarily have a big picture view or understanding of the trail and the environment it goes through. Most do, but all it takes is one person to build a fire and everyone at a camp to shrug their shoulders and warm their hands and spirits.
> 
> I think you'll be speaking to the choir this year, but in years past, I've encountered lots of shrugs and eye rolling when actually talking with someone who built a fire.
> 
> Jeff...
> 
>> On 11/17/2018 3:08 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
>> Now that it is so obvious what can happen, I want to remind the class of 2019 that we do not make fires on the PCT. The Calif fire permit simply allows a hiker to use a backcountry camping stove and in very limited situations have a campfire.  As someone who has put out campfires (on numerous trails)after people have walked away ,thinking they were out, I'm asking you to make a choice to be adult and responsible. People from other parts of the country and world show up on this trail not understanding the ecosystem and imagine that they can build a fire each night as a emotional comfort/cooking unit/source of Somemores. That isn't true. We have high winds,volatile chapparal and small campsites. Many inexperienced hikers start the PCT. Many hikers don't even know how to use their equipment--eg --put up their tents so that they don't blow over in a wind. That's fine. You will learn.  But, please do not make fires. You are not backpacking.  Or at summer camp   You are long distance hikin
>>  g. There is a lot to learn. And if I hear one more time how we need fire so that the forest
>> regenerates. .............That is misunderstanding the chapparal ecosystem. Having hiked the trail at this point 2 1/3 times it makes me so sad to see the areas of the trail that used to have water and shade turned into permanent grasslands because they were burned so completely at very high heat and the climate has changed enough that there will never be enough water to regrow the big trees. We now get enough water to grow crops of fast burning grass and low brush and bumper crops of poodledog bush. It takes about 5 years for the poodledog to cycle out to more mature growth after a fire.
>> The Woolsey fire burned 83% of the National Forest Land in the Santa Monica mtns. It's a similar ecosystem. No one knows yet what started that fire. Let's not have PCT hikers add to the threat and the problem. Please get warm in your sleeping bag and your tent and get emotional support from your hiker friends not from a campfire. I have no idea how many animals died in addition to the human deaths in these last fires.  We will never know. At one point people burned or buried their camping trash. Who would even think of doing that now?  Each year there are people in their blogs talking about having a fire each night and how good it makes them feel. I hope that this year that stops
>> Thank you
>> Marmot
>> 
>> 
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From neil.lacey at comcast.net  Sat Nov 17 17:42:16 2018
From: neil.lacey at comcast.net (Neil Lacey)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 18:42:16 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
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OK Marmot, I'm posting your email now

Neil


On 11/17/2018 5:37 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
> I'm not on Facebook. If anyone else is they have my permission to post my email
> Marmot
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Put your perspective on the 2019 facebook group, over and over. I've hiked sections of the PCT for 50 years and too often it is young people who are looking for meaning in life that build fires for camaraderie.  They don't necessarily have a big picture view or understanding of the trail and the environment it goes through. Most do, but all it takes is one person to build a fire and everyone at a camp to shrug their shoulders and warm their hands and spirits.
>>
>> I think you'll be speaking to the choir this year, but in years past, I've encountered lots of shrugs and eye rolling when actually talking with someone who built a fire.
>>
>> Jeff...
>>
>>> On 11/17/2018 3:08 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
>>> Now that it is so obvious what can happen, I want to remind the class of 2019 that we do not make fires on the PCT. The Calif fire permit simply allows a hiker to use a backcountry camping stove and in very limited situations have a campfire.  As someone who has put out campfires (on numerous trails)after people have walked away ,thinking they were out, I'm asking you to make a choice to be adult and responsible. People from other parts of the country and world show up on this trail not understanding the ecosystem and imagine that they can build a fire each night as a emotional comfort/cooking unit/source of Somemores. That isn't true. We have high winds,volatile chapparal and small campsites. Many inexperienced hikers start the PCT. Many hikers don't even know how to use their equipment--eg --put up their tents so that they don't blow over in a wind. That's fine. You will learn.  But, please do not make fires. You are not backpacking.  Or at summer camp   You are long distance hi
>   kin
>>>   g. There is a lot to learn. And if I hear one more time how we need fire so that the forest
>>> regenerates. .............That is misunderstanding the chapparal ecosystem. Having hiked the trail at this point 2 1/3 times it makes me so sad to see the areas of the trail that used to have water and shade turned into permanent grasslands because they were burned so completely at very high heat and the climate has changed enough that there will never be enough water to regrow the big trees. We now get enough water to grow crops of fast burning grass and low brush and bumper crops of poodledog bush. It takes about 5 years for the poodledog to cycle out to more mature growth after a fire.
>>> The Woolsey fire burned 83% of the National Forest Land in the Santa Monica mtns. It's a similar ecosystem. No one knows yet what started that fire. Let's not have PCT hikers add to the threat and the problem. Please get warm in your sleeping bag and your tent and get emotional support from your hiker friends not from a campfire. I have no idea how many animals died in addition to the human deaths in these last fires.  We will never know. At one point people burned or buried their camping trash. Who would even think of doing that now?  Each year there are people in their blogs talking about having a fire each night and how good it makes them feel. I hope that this year that stops
>>> Thank you
>>> Marmot
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From susanvirnig at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 20:21:19 2018
From: susanvirnig at gmail.com (Susan Virnig)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 18:21:19 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
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Thank you, Marmot and all, for your important efforts.  When I?ve been leading groups closer to Spokane, I have had to literally stand up to individuals as they were starting to collect wood for a fire and say, ?No fires on this trip!?  Since I?m only 5?2?, folks I take tend to be taller, but in those situations I am the leader and I take charge.  Harder to exert authority with strangers on the trail?

But as I?m planning the last 900 miles of my decades-long section hiking ? from Hwy 174 (by yummy Paradise Valley Cafe) to Echo Lakes (part of section b thru part of section j) ? I am so saddened to read in eTrails over and over and over again, ?You?re walking thru the _________ Fire which burned ___________ acres in 20__ (the year is usually within the last 15).?  What a tragedy is happening to these (formerly) beautiful and (formerly) intact ecosystems.  As someone mentioned, with climate change ? more heat and less water ? those ecosystems are forever gone.

?Sunshine (Susan from Spokane)

> On Nov 17, 2018, at 3:42 PM, Neil Lacey <neil.lacey at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> OK Marmot, I'm posting your email now
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> On 11/17/2018 5:37 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
>> I'm not on Facebook. If anyone else is they have my permission to post my email
>> Marmot
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Put your perspective on the 2019 facebook group, over and over. I've hiked sections of the PCT for 50 years and too often it is young people who are looking for meaning in life that build fires for camaraderie.  They don't necessarily have a big picture view or understanding of the trail and the environment it goes through. Most do, but all it takes is one person to build a fire and everyone at a camp to shrug their shoulders and warm their hands and spirits.
>>> 
>>> I think you'll be speaking to the choir this year, but in years past, I've encountered lots of shrugs and eye rolling when actually talking with someone who built a fire.
>>> 
>>> Jeff...
>>> 
>>>> On 11/17/2018 3:08 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
>>>> Now that it is so obvious what can happen, I want to remind the class of 2019 that we do not make fires on the PCT. The Calif fire permit simply allows a hiker to use a backcountry camping stove and in very limited situations have a campfire.  As someone who has put out campfires (on numerous trails)after people have walked away ,thinking they were out, I'm asking you to make a choice to be adult and responsible. People from other parts of the country and world show up on this trail not understanding the ecosystem and imagine that they can build a fire each night as a emotional comfort/cooking unit/source of Somemores. That isn't true. We have high winds,volatile chapparal and small campsites. Many inexperienced hikers start the PCT. Many hikers don't even know how to use their equipment--eg --put up their tents so that they don't blow over in a wind. That's fine. You will learn.  But, please do not make fires. You are not backpacking.  Or at summer camp   You are long distance h
> i
>>  kin
>>>>  g. There is a lot to learn. And if I hear one more time how we need fire so that the forest
>>>> regenerates. .............That is misunderstanding the chapparal ecosystem. Having hiked the trail at this point 2 1/3 times it makes me so sad to see the areas of the trail that used to have water and shade turned into permanent grasslands because they were burned so completely at very high heat and the climate has changed enough that there will never be enough water to regrow the big trees. We now get enough water to grow crops of fast burning grass and low brush and bumper crops of poodledog bush. It takes about 5 years for the poodledog to cycle out to more mature growth after a fire.
>>>> The Woolsey fire burned 83% of the National Forest Land in the Santa Monica mtns. It's a similar ecosystem. No one knows yet what started that fire. Let's not have PCT hikers add to the threat and the problem. Please get warm in your sleeping bag and your tent and get emotional support from your hiker friends not from a campfire. I have no idea how many animals died in addition to the human deaths in these last fires.  We will never know. At one point people burned or buried their camping trash. Who would even think of doing that now?  Each year there are people in their blogs talking about having a fire each night and how good it makes them feel. I hope that this year that stops
>>>> Thank you
>>>> Marmot
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From nedtibbits at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 07:21:23 2018
From: nedtibbits at gmail.com (Charles Tibbits)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:21:23 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] It's been a while...
Message-ID: <963834D1-49C5-461D-96C1-AC4CC8B8B9EF@gmail.com>

What exciting, fun, or infuriating topics have I missed in the last 3 months?

Since I was deployed by FEMA to Puerto Rico in early August, I?ve lost contact with all my friends on the pct-l and their concerns because I?ve been too busy here investigating hurricane damages and doing lots of report writing in an effort to bring federal aid to the cities, counties, and people of this ravaged island. Disaster recovery of this magnitude takes a long time!

We?ve, also, put a ?Hold? on offering wilderness safety courses at Mountain Education until all the current U.S. disaster needs are met, which may be a while, the way things are going! Nevertheless, I try to stay current, though often as much as a week behind on posts, with what?s talked about on the PCT and CDT Facebook pages, and am always interested in helping people discover the profound human benefit of wilderness life and travel through answering questions and joining in on threads.

So, I look forward to hearing from all of you, again, in the coming months!

(Yes, life in the tropics is nice and the people are wonderful, but when you?re a mountain person, especially one who loves snow, seasons, and winter, even this can be rough!)

Ned Tibbits
Mountain Education, Inc.

From HStroh at sjmslaw.com  Tue Nov 20 18:21:46 2018
From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 00:21:46 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Class Video 2018
Message-ID: <da5f7a2e18aa416dbf4aeb4530d7d4e4@MALAWI.SJLM.local>

Anyone know who is working on the 2018 class video?

Thanks.

Herb

From cmalex at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 12:58:48 2018
From: cmalex at gmail.com (Chris Alexander)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 11:58:48 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCT photography book 50% off, plus free shipping
Message-ID: <CAJRhYcH_QEVXcYP1X8LgDn_SNAJzeRX62Pzj7wF3nJXHuGxXow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Anna "Northstar" Sofranko and I have put our hardback Pacific Crest Trail
photography book on sale for 50% off plus free shipping! The book features
many beautiful photographs of the wilderness we all love. It makes a great
gift for trail friends, your home support team, or yourself. Preview and
buy the book here (ships to US only):

http://wanderingthewild.com/book

You can also buy from Amazon (ships to a variety of countries):
http://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Crest-Trail-Journey-Photographs/dp/B01528MDNG

Cheers,

Chris "Shutterbug" Alexander

From baidarker at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 18:47:42 2018
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 16:47:42 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] PCT photography book 50% off, plus free shipping
In-Reply-To: <CAJRhYcH_QEVXcYP1X8LgDn_SNAJzeRX62Pzj7wF3nJXHuGxXow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJRhYcH_QEVXcYP1X8LgDn_SNAJzeRX62Pzj7wF3nJXHuGxXow@mail.gmail.com>
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I will second all that. Shutterbug has done a marvelous job of visually
bringing it all back. It?s still one of my favorites for just sitting back
and reliving my PCT hike. It?s a great Christmas, Kwanza, Chanukah, gift.
Simply a beautiful book.  And disclaimer, I don?t know Shutterbug, I just
love his book.

Thanks,

Shroomer

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 10:59 AM Chris Alexander <cmalex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Anna "Northstar" Sofranko and I have put our hardback Pacific Crest Trail
> photography book on sale for 50% off plus free shipping! The book features
> many beautiful photographs of the wilderness we all love. It makes a great
> gift for trail friends, your home support team, or yourself. Preview and
> buy the book here (ships to US only):
>
> http://wanderingthewild.com/book
>
> You can also buy from Amazon (ships to a variety of countries):
> http://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Crest-Trail-Journey-Photographs/dp/B01528MDNG
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris "Shutterbug" Alexander
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From susanvirnig at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 19:05:52 2018
From: susanvirnig at gmail.com (Susan Virnig)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 17:05:52 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] PCT photography book 50% off, plus free shipping
In-Reply-To: <CAJRhYcH_QEVXcYP1X8LgDn_SNAJzeRX62Pzj7wF3nJXHuGxXow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJRhYcH_QEVXcYP1X8LgDn_SNAJzeRX62Pzj7wF3nJXHuGxXow@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow ? just looked at their website and photos, and ordered the book!  Recommend it to you all.

?Sunshine (Susan from Spokane)

> On Nov 24, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Chris Alexander <cmalex at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Anna "Northstar" Sofranko and I have put our hardback Pacific Crest Trail
> photography book on sale for 50% off plus free shipping! The book features
> many beautiful photographs of the wilderness we all love. It makes a great
> gift for trail friends, your home support team, or yourself. Preview and
> buy the book here (ships to US only):
> 
> http://wanderingthewild.com/book
> 
> You can also buy from Amazon (ships to a variety of countries):
> http://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Crest-Trail-Journey-Photographs/dp/B01528MDNG
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris "Shutterbug" Alexander
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From cmalex at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 12:04:46 2018
From: cmalex at gmail.com (Chris Alexander)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 11:04:46 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCT photography book 50% off, plus free shipping
In-Reply-To: <CAGxcj10mQaPJaK27+-UvF=xMFxfdCDAc2sovw9wWxnu+fnmPOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJRhYcH_QEVXcYP1X8LgDn_SNAJzeRX62Pzj7wF3nJXHuGxXow@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGxcj10mQaPJaK27+-UvF=xMFxfdCDAc2sovw9wWxnu+fnmPOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJRhYcHTO7eUqB-p5JxiDTDU=c6W4X-voFT=kVd7f9Ood+7aCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you so much, Shroomer. Creating this book was a labor of love for
Anna and me. It's really gratifying that you love the book!

Sunshine, we packed your copy today, and will ship it on Monday. We hope
you thoroughly enjoy it.

Thanks,
Chris

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 5:47 PM Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I will second all that. Shutterbug has done a marvelous job of visually
> bringing it all back. It?s still one of my favorites for just sitting back
> and reliving my PCT hike. It?s a great Christmas, Kwanza, Chanukah, gift.
> Simply a beautiful book.  And disclaimer, I don?t know Shutterbug, I just
> love his book.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 10:59 AM Chris Alexander <cmalex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Anna "Northstar" Sofranko and I have put our hardback Pacific Crest Trail
>> photography book on sale for 50% off plus free shipping! The book features
>> many beautiful photographs of the wilderness we all love. It makes a great
>> gift for trail friends, your home support team, or yourself. Preview and
>> buy the book here (ships to US only):
>>
>> http://wanderingthewild.com/book
>>
>> You can also buy from Amazon (ships to a variety of countries):
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Crest-Trail-Journey-Photographs/dp/B01528MDNG
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris "Shutterbug" Alexander
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pct-L mailing list
>> Pct-L at backcountry.net
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>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
>>
>

From sbryce at scottbryce.com  Wed Nov 28 11:17:05 2018
From: sbryce at scottbryce.com (Scott Bryce)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:17:05 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Nos Such Thing as Reentry
Message-ID: <1b47f911-fa13-2d14-ebb7-55290384e038@scottbryce.com>

At one time there was an article on the PCTA website written by Yogi
titled There is no Such Thing as Reentry. I can't find it on the PCTA
website. Does anyone know if it is still online somewhere?