[pct-l] PCT-l and flame wars

[Scott Diamond]

My take is what goes around comes around. Some on this this list have had
no issues casting aspersions on the FB group.  But then complain when
criticism is leveled at us?

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Herb Stroh <HStroh at sjmslaw.com> wrote:

> I chime in with Fireweed and TrailHacker that the list had its fair share
> of flames--not only the topics TH identified, but who can forget the
> searing exchanges on guns, dogs, and mountain bikes?
>
> But I waded through the occasional garbage because there were so many
> other valuable conversations that took place. As a section hiker, I often
> need specific info about a particular section. Posting here I always
> received knowledgeable responses and solid advice. If I asked about
> transportation to a trail head, frequently I would receive an offline email
> offering a ride. So I know this list did--and hopefully still does--reach
> the trail community that is supportive and willing to share its collective
> knowledge.
>
> See you at the NorCal Ruck.
>
> Herb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> On Behalf Of Anthony Biegen
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 9:34 AM
> To: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT-l and flame wars
>
> I have to agree with Fireweed. There was a lot of flame wars and
> misogynistic remarks on the list and in some cases the perpetrators
> harassed their target further off list. Piper left the list for that reason
> as did others. At times Ned was on the receiving end of flames so I'm
> surprised that he doesn't recall the reality of the list's history.
>
> Piper still hikes the trail every year but she showed no interest when I
> told her the list was back.
>
> Perhaps those days are gone and the list will live up to the fantasy
> nirvana that some people seem to remember.
>
> TrailHacker
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:13 AM Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net> wrote:
>
> > Ned Tibbits said: "I don't recall when Brick started this listserve,
> > but I think I've been on it since 2005 and have never seen a "flame
> > war" or bitchy person rant their opinions on another."
> > Although the PCT list serve conveyed a lot of info, I remember more
> > than a few incidences on this list serve of nasty interactions, many
> > involving Rheinhold Metzger and that guy who is or was Yogi's
> > boyfriend. All under the guise of "free speech" of course. It has
> > driven many people away from the list serve. Plus the fact that it is
> > in a form that you have to wade through to get to anything of
> > interest. White Blaze is a good example of a a subject driven system
> > where you can go to a certain subject to get the info you need. Jack
> > Haskel of the PCT had said several years ago that the PCTA was going
> > to develop their own White Blaze type site, but I don't think they
> > ever have. I've been concentrating on hiking other trails, so don't go
> > on the PCTA website to find out what they have done.
> > I don't like Facebook either, but the list serve was not any less
> > prone to flame wars and bitchiness.
> > --Mary "Fireweed" Kwart
> >
> >
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