From JimLBanks at verizon.net Sun Jul 1 22:04:00 2018 From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (Jim Banks) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 20:04:00 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Trailhead parking at Timberline Lodge Message-ID: <000001d411b1$53ce4e60$fb6aeb20$@verizon.net> Does anyone know if it is ok to park a vehicle for 4 or 5 days in the parking lot at Timberline Lodge? I know there are several large paved lots near the Lodge and the Caf?. I need to leave my truck there for 4 or 5 days while I hike from Santium Pass. I-Beam From geraldbking at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 00:00:00 2018 From: geraldbking at gmail.com (Jerry's gmail) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 22:00:00 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Trailhead parking at Timberline Lodge In-Reply-To: <000001d411b1$53ce4e60$fb6aeb20$@verizon.net> References: <000001d411b1$53ce4e60$fb6aeb20$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Yes, there is some signage for ?Overnight Parking?, also I see cars in the overflow parking which is on your right as you climb toward and are about 400? before the Wy?East Day Lodge. You won?t have any problem. Jerry > On Jul 1, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Jim Banks wrote: > > Does anyone know if it is ok to park a vehicle for 4 or 5 days in the > parking lot at Timberline Lodge? I know there are several large paved lots > near the Lodge and the Caf?. I need to leave my truck there for 4 or 5 > days while I hike from Santium Pass. > > > > I-Beam > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From HStroh at sjmslaw.com Mon Jul 2 12:35:45 2018 From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:35:45 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Trailhead parking at Timberline Lodge In-Reply-To: <000001d411b1$53ce4e60$fb6aeb20$@verizon.net> References: <000001d411b1$53ce4e60$fb6aeb20$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1dc5e0a4a12049bcad6a5251a36fa4c6@MALAWI.SJLM.local> I don't have an official answer, but I did meet another hiker that did exactly that. As I recall, the hiker contacted Timberline and they said it was ok so long as he used the overflow lot. I would still call to verify they are ok with it, but the Lodge is pretty hiker friendly. Sure is a pretty area. Herb -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L On Behalf Of Jim Banks Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2018 8:04 PM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Trailhead parking at Timberline Lodge Does anyone know if it is ok to park a vehicle for 4 or 5 days in the parking lot at Timberline Lodge? I know there are several large paved lots near the Lodge and the Caf?. I need to leave my truck there for 4 or 5 days while I hike from Santium Pass. I-Beam _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. 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Please DELETE the copy of the complete digest from your reply. ONLY include stuff that applies to your reply Today's Topics: ? 1. Trailhead parking at Timberline Lodge (Jim Banks) ? 2. Re: Trailhead parking at Timberline Lodge (Jerry's gmail) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 20:04:00 -0700 From: "Jim Banks" To: Subject: [pct-l] Trailhead parking at Timberline Lodge Message-ID: <000001d411b1$53ce4e60$fb6aeb20$@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone know if it is ok to park a vehicle for 4 or 5 days in the parking lot at Timberline Lodge?? I know there are several large paved lots near the Lodge and the Caf?.? I need to leave my truck there for 4 or 5 days while I hike from Santium Pass. I-Beam ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 22:00:00 -0700 From: Jerry's gmail To: Jim Banks Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trailhead parking at Timberline Lodge Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8 Yes, there is some signage for ?Overnight Parking?, also I see cars in the overflow parking which is on your right as you climb toward and are about 400? before the Wy?East Day Lodge. You won?t have any problem. Jerry > On Jul 1, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Jim Banks wrote: > > Does anyone know if it is ok to park a vehicle for 4 or 5 days in the > parking lot at Timberline Lodge?? I know there are several large paved lots > near the Lodge and the Caf?.? I need to leave my truck there for 4 or 5 > days while I hike from Santium Pass. > > > > I-Beam > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. ------------------------------ End of Pct-L Digest, Vol 113, Issue 1 ************************************* From JimLBanks at verizon.net Fri Jul 6 20:23:54 2018 From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (Jim Banks) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 18:23:54 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Steel-Eye Message-ID: <000001d41591$2c415f70$84c41e50$@verizon.net> For those of you that may not be on Facebook, Chuck "Steel-Eye" Chelin's daughter announced that he passed away on July 1st. Steel-Eye was a regular on this list in the past. His posts were always very informative. I-Beam From brick at brickrobbins.com Fri Jul 6 20:48:02 2018 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 18:48:02 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Steel-Eye In-Reply-To: <000001d41591$2c415f70$84c41e50$@verizon.net> References: <000001d41591$2c415f70$84c41e50$@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 6:23 PM, Jim Banks wrote: > For those of you that may not be on Facebook, Chuck "Steel-Eye" Chelin's > daughter announced that he passed away on July 1st. Steel-Eye was a regular > on this list in the past. His posts were always very informative. > It is sad to hear that Seel-Eye has moved on to hike in other places. I enjoyed his participation in this forum. This link will give you a bunch of his posts from the archives https://goo.gl/vsKeHD From richardb10 at live.com Fri Jul 6 21:22:39 2018 From: richardb10 at live.com (Richard Brinkman) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 02:22:39 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Steel-Eye In-Reply-To: References: <000001d41591$2c415f70$84c41e50$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Many Thanks and All the Best to Steel-Eye and his family, May they always be on trail together. May we all be... Roadwalker -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Brick Robbins Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 6:48 PM To: PCT Subject: Re: [pct-l] Steel-Eye On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 6:23 PM, Jim Banks wrote: > For those of you that may not be on Facebook, Chuck "Steel-Eye" Chelin's > daughter announced that he passed away on July 1st. Steel-Eye was a regular > on this list in the past. His posts were always very informative. > It is sad to hear that Seel-Eye has moved on to hike in other places. I enjoyed his participation in this forum. This link will give you a bunch of his posts from the archives https://goo.gl/vsKeHD _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From timpnye at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 13:37:48 2018 From: timpnye at gmail.com (timpnye) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2018 11:37:48 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Steel-Eye In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5b4108c9.1c69fb81.da836.563a@mx.google.com> The best discussion on blisters I ever saw. I printed it out and had my kids read it before hiking with them. -------- Original message --------From: Brick Robbins Date: 7/6/18 6:48 PM (GMT-08:00) To: PCT Subject: Re: [pct-l] Steel-Eye On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 6:23 PM, Jim Banks wrote: > For those of you that may not be on Facebook, Chuck "Steel-Eye" Chelin's > daughter announced that he passed away on July 1st.? Steel-Eye was a regular > on this list in the past.? His posts were always very informative. > It is sad to hear that Seel-Eye has moved on to hike in other places. I enjoyed his participation in this forum. This link will give you a bunch of his posts from the archives https://goo.gl/vsKeHD _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From rosiesbirds at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 16:39:39 2018 From: rosiesbirds at gmail.com (Lylli) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 14:39:39 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] =?utf-8?q?Rainy_Pass_to_Hart=E2=80=99s_Pass?= Message-ID: Hi Folks- Any SoBo hikers come through to rainy pass recently? I?m hoping to do a section hike with my mom in about two weeks, but was up a few weeks ago to find about a foot and a 1/2 of snow. Any trail reports would be much appreciated. Best, Boss Hops From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net Sat Jul 7 18:35:24 2018 From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 19:35:24 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Steel-Eye In-Reply-To: <000001d41591$2c415f70$84c41e50$@verizon.net> References: <000001d41591$2c415f70$84c41e50$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <16477199c4a-17a9-9379@webjas-vad059.srv.aolmail.net> Sorry to hear about His passing , may he RIP Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, July 6, 2018 Jim Banks wrote: For those of you that may not be on Facebook, Chuck "Steel-Eye" Chelin's daughter announced that he passed away on July 1st. Steel-Eye was a regular on this list in the past. His posts were always very informative. I-Beam _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From mtcw at wildblue.net Tue Jul 10 07:45:59 2018 From: mtcw at wildblue.net (Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 06:45:59 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Ride needed from Truckee to Clair Tappaan Lodge July 16 PM Message-ID: <000901d4184b$f8467d50$e8d377f0$@wildblue.net> Hi all, I'm hiking some PCT sections starting at Clair Tappaan Lodge on Donner Pass Road, and need a ride for 1 person & pack from Truckee to the lodge. I get into Truckee @ 3:40 PM on Monday 7/16 (Greyhound, at Chamber of Commerce). Pretty flexible on arrival at the lodge. Contact at mtcw at wildblue.net until mid-day Sunday the 15th, after that my cell is 406.381.4257. Happy to pay for gas+. Happy Trails, Ed. From pctlist at pctwalker.com Tue Jul 10 11:13:25 2018 From: pctlist at pctwalker.com (Kathi) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:13:25 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Steel-Eye In-Reply-To: <000001d41591$2c415f70$84c41e50$@verizon.net> References: <000001d41591$2c415f70$84c41e50$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Thank you for letting the list know. I was just thinking about him the other day. It has been some time since he has posted on the list but I have many of his posts saved because he always gave such great information and detail. On 7/6/18 6:23 PM, Jim Banks wrote: > For those of you that may not be on Facebook, Chuck "Steel-Eye" Chelin's > daughter announced that he passed away on July 1st. Steel-Eye was a regular > on this list in the past. His posts were always very informative. > > > > I-Beam > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From tumstead96 at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 12:15:06 2018 From: tumstead96 at gmail.com (Tim Umstead) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:15:06 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Coming Soon Message-ID: No more bus service from Manning Park. https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/greyhound-canada-to-end-routes-in-prairies-b-c-leaving-small-towns-in-lurch From JimLBanks at verizon.net Tue Jul 10 18:51:40 2018 From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (Jim Banks) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:51:40 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question Message-ID: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> I have never used a GPS app for the trail. I am considering getting one. Does anyone know whether Halfmiles' and/or Guthooks' PCT apps can be downloaded onto a Motorola Moto g6 play smart phone? It uses the Android Oreo operating system? Thanks. I-Beam From melaniekclarke at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 22:11:52 2018 From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com (Melanie Clarke) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 20:11:52 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> References: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: For Android devices, you will need to use Guthook Diet Plan On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:51 PM Jim Banks wrote: > I have never used a GPS app for the trail. I am considering getting one. > Does anyone know whether Halfmiles' and/or Guthooks' PCT apps can be > downloaded onto a Motorola Moto g6 play smart phone? It uses the Android > Oreo operating system? > > > > Thanks. > > > > I-Beam > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From JimLBanks at verizon.net Tue Jul 10 22:18:09 2018 From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (Jim Banks) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 20:18:09 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000201d418c5$cd9d0270$68d70750$@verizon.net> Why do you say that. Halfmile?s website says there is an app for Android as well as Apple. Do you know something contrary to what the website says? I-Beam From: Melanie Clarke Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:12 PM To: Jim Banks Cc: PCT MailingList Subject: Re: [pct-l] GPS App question For Android devices, you will need to use Guthook Diet Plan On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:51 PM Jim Banks > wrote: I have never used a GPS app for the trail. I am considering getting one. Does anyone know whether Halfmiles' and/or Guthooks' PCT apps can be downloaded onto a Motorola Moto g6 play smart phone? It uses the Android Oreo operating system? Thanks. I-Beam _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From edjarrett at msn.com Tue Jul 10 22:56:59 2018 From: edjarrett at msn.com (Ed Jarrett) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 03:56:59 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Not true. Half mile works fine on my Samsung android phone Ed Jarrett Web site: https://aclayjar.net Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71 On 7/10/2018 8:12:10 PM, Melanie Clarke wrote: For Android devices, you will need to use Guthook Diet Plan On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:51 PM Jim Banks wrote: > I have never used a GPS app for the trail. I am considering getting one. > Does anyone know whether Halfmiles' and/or Guthooks' PCT apps can be > downloaded onto a Motorola Moto g6 play smart phone? It uses the Android > Oreo operating system? > > > > Thanks. > > > > I-Beam > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From melaniekclarke at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 23:20:11 2018 From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com (Melanie Clarke) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:20:11 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: I tried 2 years ago to download the Halfmile app on my Android and I found out on the trail that it didn't work. So I settled for Guthook. I guess the Android app is working now. I do love the Halfmile maps. I guess I will go back to Halfmile. Thanks for the info. On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:57 PM Ed Jarrett wrote: > Not true. Half mile works fine on my Samsung android phone > > Ed Jarrett > Web site: https://aclayjar.net > Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53 > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71 > > On 7/10/2018 8:12:10 PM, Melanie Clarke wrote: > > For Android devices, you will need to use Guthook > > Diet Plan > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:51 PM Jim Banks wrote: > > > I have never used a GPS app for the trail. I am considering getting one. > > Does anyone know whether Halfmiles' and/or Guthooks' PCT apps can be > > downloaded onto a Motorola Moto g6 play smart phone? It uses the Android > > Oreo operating system? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > I-Beam > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From melaniekclarke at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 23:22:50 2018 From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com (Melanie Clarke) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:22:50 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: I think there is a virus on this thread. Can we get this deleted? I'm getting pictures of naked women on this thread On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:57 PM Ed Jarrett wrote: > Not true. Half mile works fine on my Samsung android phone > > Ed Jarrett > Web site: https://aclayjar.net > Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53 > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71 > > On 7/10/2018 8:12:10 PM, Melanie Clarke wrote: > > For Android devices, you will need to use Guthook > > Diet Plan > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:51 PM Jim Banks wrote: > > > I have never used a GPS app for the trail. I am considering getting one. > > Does anyone know whether Halfmiles' and/or Guthooks' PCT apps can be > > downloaded onto a Motorola Moto g6 play smart phone? It uses the Android > > Oreo operating system? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > I-Beam > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From ajbiegen at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 23:33:59 2018 From: ajbiegen at gmail.com (Anthony Biegen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:33:59 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Not seeing that on this end. Perhaps it's just on your computer? Anyone else seeing obscene pictures? TrailHacker On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Melanie Clarke wrote: > I think there is a virus on this thread. Can we get this deleted? I'm > getting pictures of naked women on this thread > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:57 PM Ed Jarrett wrote: > > > Not true. Half mile works fine on my Samsung android phone > > > > Ed Jarrett > > Web site: https://aclayjar.net > > Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53 > > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71 > > > > On 7/10/2018 8:12:10 PM, Melanie Clarke > wrote: > > > > For Android devices, you will need to use Guthook > > > > Diet Plan > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:51 PM Jim Banks wrote: > > > > > I have never used a GPS app for the trail. I am considering getting > one. > > > Does anyone know whether Halfmiles' and/or Guthooks' PCT apps can be > > > downloaded onto a Motorola Moto g6 play smart phone? It uses the > Android > > > Oreo operating system? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > I-Beam > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pct-L mailing list > > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > > > List Archives: > > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From melaniekclarke at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 23:37:07 2018 From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com (Melanie Clarke) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:37:07 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Well, naked women are not my thing. Facebook, computers all seem to know my preferences for everything so this could not have come from my computer. On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:34 PM Anthony Biegen wrote: > Not seeing that on this end. Perhaps it's just on your computer? Anyone > else seeing obscene pictures? > > TrailHacker > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Melanie Clarke > wrote: > >> I think there is a virus on this thread. Can we get this deleted? I'm >> getting pictures of naked women on this thread >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:57 PM Ed Jarrett wrote: >> >> > Not true. Half mile works fine on my Samsung android phone >> > >> > Ed Jarrett >> > Web site: https://aclayjar.net >> > Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53 >> > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71 >> > >> > On 7/10/2018 8:12:10 PM, Melanie Clarke >> wrote: >> > >> > For Android devices, you will need to use Guthook >> > >> > Diet Plan >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:51 PM Jim Banks wrote: >> > >> > > I have never used a GPS app for the trail. I am considering getting >> one. >> > > Does anyone know whether Halfmiles' and/or Guthooks' PCT apps can be >> > > downloaded onto a Motorola Moto g6 play smart phone? It uses the >> Android >> > > Oreo operating system? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I-Beam >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Pct-L mailing list >> > > Pct-L at backcountry.net >> > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> > > >> > > List Archives: >> > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pct-L mailing list >> > Pct-L at backcountry.net >> > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> > >> > List Archives: >> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pct-L mailing list >> > Pct-L at backcountry.net >> > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> > >> > List Archives: >> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> > > From ajbiegen at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 23:38:43 2018 From: ajbiegen at gmail.com (Anthony Biegen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:38:43 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Now I just got a few unwanted emails. Crap. No pictures thank God. TrailHacker On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Melanie Clarke wrote: > Well, naked women are not my thing. Facebook, computers all seem to know > my preferences for everything so this could not have come from my computer. > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:34 PM Anthony Biegen wrote: > >> Not seeing that on this end. Perhaps it's just on your computer? Anyone >> else seeing obscene pictures? >> >> TrailHacker >> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Melanie Clarke > > wrote: >> >>> I think there is a virus on this thread. Can we get this deleted? I'm >>> getting pictures of naked women on this thread >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:57 PM Ed Jarrett wrote: >>> >>> > Not true. Half mile works fine on my Samsung android phone >>> > >>> > Ed Jarrett >>> > Web site: https://aclayjar.net >>> > Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53 >>> > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71 >>> > >>> > On 7/10/2018 8:12:10 PM, Melanie Clarke >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > For Android devices, you will need to use Guthook >>> > >>> > Diet Plan >>> > >>> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:51 PM Jim Banks wrote: >>> > >>> > > I have never used a GPS app for the trail. I am considering getting >>> one. >>> > > Does anyone know whether Halfmiles' and/or Guthooks' PCT apps can be >>> > > downloaded onto a Motorola Moto g6 play smart phone? It uses the >>> Android >>> > > Oreo operating system? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Thanks. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > I-Beam >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Pct-L mailing list >>> > > Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> > > >>> > > List Archives: >>> > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Pct-L mailing list >>> > Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> > >>> > List Archives: >>> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Pct-L mailing list >>> > Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> > >>> > List Archives: >>> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pct-L mailing list >>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> >>> List Archives: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>> >> >> From brick at brickrobbins.com Wed Jul 11 01:10:24 2018 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:10:24 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: <000001d418a8$f38d8ee0$daa8aca0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Melanie Clarke wrote: > > I think there is a virus on this thread. Can we get this deleted? I'm > getting pictures of naked women on this thread There is not a virus on the thread, there is a bot monitoring the list that harvests emails and sends porn spam to anyone who posts. Since nothing is going through the list, there is nothing I can do to stop it. This happened a while back, and I was able to identify the problem account and stop it They updated the spam software and I have not figured out how to identify the problems account ... yet. All I can suggest is to use your spam filters. I wish there was more I could do. Sorry From dofdear at cox.net Wed Jul 11 12:24:58 2018 From: dofdear at cox.net (Billy Bob) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <917015756.327141.1531329898664@myemail.cox.net> Not sure but the issue may be with the type of GPS your phone uses (GPS vs A-GPS). A-GPS requires connectivity to cell or WiFi where a true GPS receiver in a phone doesn't. The Half mile app requires either to work properly so the issue may be the type of phone GPS. My understanding is most Samsung phones have a separate GPS the will work in airplane mode which is what you want when out on the trail. So check out your phone specs. Thumper From tumstead96 at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 12:49:53 2018 From: tumstead96 at gmail.com (Tim Umstead) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:49:53 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question Message-ID: I used Halfmiles app on a Motorola phone and it worked just fine. Halfmile has the most up to date GPS points. In most cases Guthook data lags behind Halfmile's. Last year Guthook updated his points using Halfmiles data. With all the trails Guthook covers he goes a long time between updates. I use Guthooks app on the CDT. There are things I liked and disliked about both Halfmiles and Guthooks apps. For me, I would like a combination of the two. Thats not going to happen. From pctl at marcusschwartz.com Thu Jul 12 03:09:30 2018 From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 01:09:30 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Halfmile's app works on both Android and iOS. I understand the iOS version has an additional mode that displays a map, but I haven't used it. As for GPS, my understanding is that all US cell phones have a full GPS in them due to E-911 requirements. Many also support A-GPS, which helps them get GPS locks faster, but does not replace real GPS. If your phone didn't have a GPS, it would stop giving driving directions when you left phone coverage on a long drive. I used both Halfmile and Guthook's on my 2016 thru, and Halfmile was generally my go-to, though I often looked at Guthook's for a second opinion, particularly when I was hoping there were more tentsites or water resources than Halfmile mentioned. I also used Guthook to read its bulletin board of comments from hikers on each waypoint. I also wanted to recommend OSMAnd, which has a lot of coverage of non-PCT trails and roads near the PCT. This comes in handy at junctions and on side-trips. Hikerbot is new and has gained popularity recently, and I'd try that if I were hiking soon as it has features I found myself wishing for in the other apps. Here're my impressions of the three I did use: Halfmile's is a no-nonsense, all text, fast way for a skilled user to get well-vetted information about the trail. It's conservative with its choice of waypoints -- other apps will mention marginal campsites and water sources that Halfmile skips. So, if you were to just use Halfmile's app, you would be unlikely to find yourself at an unusable campsite at the end of the day or a dried-up water source when you're thirsty. You also wouldn't spend excessive time filtering through data when planning your destinations for the day. If you just want to hike and play it safe, Halfmile's data is ideal. The sparseness of the waypoints can be misleading, however. Sometimes it will show no tentsites for many miles, making you think you should make camp early if you see a tentsite. But, it might be blank because the local terrain makes tenting easy in many places. There's no way to know ahead of time. Halfmile's app takes some getting used to. With no map, you can't tell which way to go at a junction (though if you get a few dozen feet off-trail it will tell you and point you towards the right trail). If you don't like doing a lot of math with mile offsets, you need to learn to use the "simulate position" function, which makes it act like you're at another waypoint (e.g. the campsite you're planning on sleeping at tonight). The descriptions of the waypoints are terse, and the layout can be confusing. I found it potentially-dangerously confusing that waypoints on spur trails are included in the same list as waypoints on the PCT, and it will tell you the distance to spur trail waypoints in a way that makes it sound like they're on the PCT. For example, if you were at Highway 40, it would have a pink-shaded entry that said "North 4.11 mi Highway 80 Rest Area", which one might assume means that if you go 4.11 miles North on the PCT, you'll reach the Highway 80 Rest Area. Actually, it means you have to go some distance on the PCT, take a spur trail, and some more distance on the spur trail, which together will add up to 4.11 miles when you reach the Highway 80 Rest Area. So, long story short, it's important to understand that pink waypoints in Halfmile's app are on spur trails. Guthook's guide has a lot more features. It shows your position on a map, which is intuitive. It has photos of many of the waypoints, and it includes many of the more marginal water sources and smaller tentsites. It also has a bulletin board on every waypoint, where users of the app can leave comments. This is very useful for getting recent information about unreliable water sources (it's not as reliable as the official Water Report, but can fill in gaps in its data), as well as candid information about businesses, suggestions about where to cross a river, etc. However, most of the features require downloading data intermittently (e.g. when you're in town), and doing so can be confusing and unreliable. Different kinds of data can be downloaded from different screens, so it's not straightforward to make sure that you have all the data for an upcoming stretch. The bulletin board data is silently downloaded in the background on occasion, so there's no way you can make sure you're up-to-date with that. All of this is made more awkward by the app's payment scheme, which divides the trail up into sections, and makes other sections look empty if you have the wrong one selected. I did notice that Guthook's track didn't always follow the official PCT signage, though the differences were minor (e.g. a 100-foot shortcut around a field). This might be an issue for sticklers. It also drained my battery while it was not running, until I enabled a power-saving mode on my phone that prevented certain background tasks from running. Most Android phones have a feature in the Battery section of the Settings program that will show you how much power each app has consumed -- it might be wise to check this once in a while to make sure Guthook is behaving well. OSMAnd is a general-purpose mapping app, not meant for the PCT specifically. It can give driving directions, for example. It differs from programs like Google Maps and Apple Maps in that it works offline, and uses crowdsourced map data. You need to download the map data beforehand, one state at a time, and these files are large. But the process is simple. The resulting maps have much more thorough coverage than any of the PCT-specific apps. Most PCT-specific apps only display a few side trails, generally those with particularly interesting destinations. OSMAnd's coverage is more like an atlas, covering everything (including fairly thorough trail maps). If you ever need to navigate near, but not on, the PCT, OSMAnd can help. It can also optionally download geotagged Wikipedia articles (of which there are many), and display them on the map. This can be nice if you like to spend time in camp reading about where you were or where you'll be, or plan detours if something interesting is nearby. It can also display contour lines on the map, though this slows it down. Going through all of OSMAnd's features is dizzyingly complicated, but only a few are necessary for PCT purposes. Not being a PCT app, the PCT is just another dotted line in OSMAnd. You can download Halfmile's GPX track and import it into OSMAnd, however, which will make the PCT a bright red line. -=Town Food On 07/11/2018 10:49 AM, Tim Umstead wrote: > I used Halfmiles app on a Motorola phone and it worked just fine. Halfmile > has the most up to date GPS points. In most cases Guthook data lags behind > Halfmile's. Last year Guthook updated his points using Halfmiles data. > With all the trails Guthook covers he goes a long time between updates. > > I use Guthooks app on the CDT. There are things I liked and disliked about > both Halfmiles and Guthooks apps. For me, I would like a combination of > the two. Thats not going to happen. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From JimLBanks at verizon.net Thu Jul 12 10:03:38 2018 From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (Jim Banks) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:03:38 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000101d419f1$84874fa0$8d95eee0$@verizon.net> Wow! Thanks for all the information, it is very useful to a novice GPS user like me. I-Beam -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L On Behalf Of Town Food Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 1:10 AM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] GPS App question Halfmile's app works on both Android and iOS. I understand the iOS version has an additional mode that displays a map, but I haven't used it. As for GPS, my understanding is that all US cell phones have a full GPS in them due to E-911 requirements. Many also support A-GPS, which helps them get GPS locks faster, but does not replace real GPS. If your phone didn't have a GPS, it would stop giving driving directions when you left phone coverage on a long drive. I used both Halfmile and Guthook's on my 2016 thru, and Halfmile was generally my go-to, though I often looked at Guthook's for a second opinion, particularly when I was hoping there were more tentsites or water resources than Halfmile mentioned. I also used Guthook to read its bulletin board of comments from hikers on each waypoint. I also wanted to recommend OSMAnd, which has a lot of coverage of non-PCT trails and roads near the PCT. This comes in handy at junctions and on side-trips. Hikerbot is new and has gained popularity recently, and I'd try that if I were hiking soon as it has features I found myself wishing for in the other apps. Here're my impressions of the three I did use: Halfmile's is a no-nonsense, all text, fast way for a skilled user to get well-vetted information about the trail. It's conservative with its choice of waypoints -- other apps will mention marginal campsites and water sources that Halfmile skips. So, if you were to just use Halfmile's app, you would be unlikely to find yourself at an unusable campsite at the end of the day or a dried-up water source when you're thirsty. You also wouldn't spend excessive time filtering through data when planning your destinations for the day. If you just want to hike and play it safe, Halfmile's data is ideal. The sparseness of the waypoints can be misleading, however. Sometimes it will show no tentsites for many miles, making you think you should make camp early if you see a tentsite. But, it might be blank because the local terrain makes tenting easy in many places. There's no way to know ahead of time. Halfmile's app takes some getting used to. With no map, you can't tell which way to go at a junction (though if you get a few dozen feet off-trail it will tell you and point you towards the right trail). If you don't like doing a lot of math with mile offsets, you need to learn to use the "simulate position" function, which makes it act like you're at another waypoint (e.g. the campsite you're planning on sleeping at tonight). The descriptions of the waypoints are terse, and the layout can be confusing. I found it potentially-dangerously confusing that waypoints on spur trails are included in the same list as waypoints on the PCT, and it will tell you the distance to spur trail waypoints in a way that makes it sound like they're on the PCT. For example, if you were at Highway 40, it would have a pink-shaded entry that said "North 4.11 mi Highway 80 Rest Area", which one might assume means that if you go 4.11 miles North on the PCT, you'll reach the Highway 80 Rest Area. Actually, it means you have to go some distance on the PCT, take a spur trail, and some more distance on the spur trail, which together will add up to 4.11 miles when you reach the Highway 80 Rest Area. So, long story short, it's important to understand that pink waypoints in Halfmile's app are on spur trails. Guthook's guide has a lot more features. It shows your position on a map, which is intuitive. It has photos of many of the waypoints, and it includes many of the more marginal water sources and smaller tentsites. It also has a bulletin board on every waypoint, where users of the app can leave comments. This is very useful for getting recent information about unreliable water sources (it's not as reliable as the official Water Report, but can fill in gaps in its data), as well as candid information about businesses, suggestions about where to cross a river, etc. However, most of the features require downloading data intermittently (e.g. when you're in town), and doing so can be confusing and unreliable. Different kinds of data can be downloaded from different screens, so it's not straightforward to make sure that you have all the data for an upcoming stretch. The bulletin board data is silently downloaded in the background on occasion, so there's no way you can make sure you're up-to-date with that. All of this is made more awkward by the app's payment scheme, which divides the trail up into sections, and makes other sections look empty if you have the wrong one selected. I did notice that Guthook's track didn't always follow the official PCT signage, though the differences were minor (e.g. a 100-foot shortcut around a field). This might be an issue for sticklers. It also drained my battery while it was not running, until I enabled a power-saving mode on my phone that prevented certain background tasks from running. Most Android phones have a feature in the Battery section of the Settings program that will show you how much power each app has consumed -- it might be wise to check this once in a while to make sure Guthook is behaving well. OSMAnd is a general-purpose mapping app, not meant for the PCT specifically. It can give driving directions, for example. It differs from programs like Google Maps and Apple Maps in that it works offline, and uses crowdsourced map data. You need to download the map data beforehand, one state at a time, and these files are large. But the process is simple. The resulting maps have much more thorough coverage than any of the PCT-specific apps. Most PCT-specific apps only display a few side trails, generally those with particularly interesting destinations. OSMAnd's coverage is more like an atlas, covering everything (including fairly thorough trail maps). If you ever need to navigate near, but not on, the PCT, OSMAnd can help. It can also optionally download geotagged Wikipedia articles (of which there are many), and display them on the map. This can be nice if you like to spend time in camp reading about where you were or where you'll be, or plan detours if something interesting is nearby. It can also display contour lines on the map, though this slows it down. Going through all of OSMAnd's features is dizzyingly complicated, but only a few are necessary for PCT purposes. Not being a PCT app, the PCT is just another dotted line in OSMAnd. You can download Halfmile's GPX track and import it into OSMAnd, however, which will make the PCT a bright red line. -=Town Food On 07/11/2018 10:49 AM, Tim Umstead wrote: > I used Halfmiles app on a Motorola phone and it worked just fine. > Halfmile has the most up to date GPS points. In most cases Guthook > data lags behind Halfmile's. Last year Guthook updated his points using Halfmiles data. > With all the trails Guthook covers he goes a long time between updates. > > I use Guthooks app on the CDT. There are things I liked and disliked > about both Halfmiles and Guthooks apps. For me, I would like a > combination of the two. Thats not going to happen. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From edjarrett at msn.com Thu Jul 12 10:26:42 2018 From: edjarrett at msn.com (Ed Jarrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:26:42 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] GPS App question In-Reply-To: <000101d419f1$84874fa0$8d95eee0$@verizon.net> References: <000101d419f1$84874fa0$8d95eee0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Another useful app that I have not seen mentioned is Backcountry Navigator. I used it extensively, loading the Halfmile data into it. This allowed me to have a map of the entire PCT with the halfmile track and waypoints overlaid on the map. Ed Jarrett Web site: https://aclayjar.net Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71 On 7/12/2018 8:03:49 AM, Jim Banks wrote: Wow! Thanks for all the information, it is very useful to a novice GPS user like me. I-Beam -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L On Behalf Of Town Food Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 1:10 AM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] GPS App question Halfmile's app works on both Android and iOS. I understand the iOS version has an additional mode that displays a map, but I haven't used it. As for GPS, my understanding is that all US cell phones have a full GPS in them due to E-911 requirements. Many also support A-GPS, which helps them get GPS locks faster, but does not replace real GPS. If your phone didn't have a GPS, it would stop giving driving directions when you left phone coverage on a long drive. I used both Halfmile and Guthook's on my 2016 thru, and Halfmile was generally my go-to, though I often looked at Guthook's for a second opinion, particularly when I was hoping there were more tentsites or water resources than Halfmile mentioned. I also used Guthook to read its bulletin board of comments from hikers on each waypoint. I also wanted to recommend OSMAnd, which has a lot of coverage of non-PCT trails and roads near the PCT. This comes in handy at junctions and on side-trips. Hikerbot is new and has gained popularity recently, and I'd try that if I were hiking soon as it has features I found myself wishing for in the other apps. Here're my impressions of the three I did use: Halfmile's is a no-nonsense, all text, fast way for a skilled user to get well-vetted information about the trail. It's conservative with its choice of waypoints -- other apps will mention marginal campsites and water sources that Halfmile skips. So, if you were to just use Halfmile's app, you would be unlikely to find yourself at an unusable campsite at the end of the day or a dried-up water source when you're thirsty. You also wouldn't spend excessive time filtering through data when planning your destinations for the day. If you just want to hike and play it safe, Halfmile's data is ideal. The sparseness of the waypoints can be misleading, however. Sometimes it will show no tentsites for many miles, making you think you should make camp early if you see a tentsite. But, it might be blank because the local terrain makes tenting easy in many places. There's no way to know ahead of time. Halfmile's app takes some getting used to. With no map, you can't tell which way to go at a junction (though if you get a few dozen feet off-trail it will tell you and point you towards the right trail). If you don't like doing a lot of math with mile offsets, you need to learn to use the "simulate position" function, which makes it act like you're at another waypoint (e.g. the campsite you're planning on sleeping at tonight). The descriptions of the waypoints are terse, and the layout can be confusing. I found it potentially-dangerously confusing that waypoints on spur trails are included in the same list as waypoints on the PCT, and it will tell you the distance to spur trail waypoints in a way that makes it sound like they're on the PCT. For example, if you were at Highway 40, it would have a pink-shaded entry that said "North 4.11 mi Highway 80 Rest Area", which one might assume means that if you go 4.11 miles North on the PCT, you'll reach the Highway 80 Rest Area. Actually, it means you have to go some distance on the PCT, take a spur trail, and some more distance on the spur trail, which together will add up to 4.11 miles when you reach the Highway 80 Rest Area. So, long story short, it's important to understand that pink waypoints in Halfmile's app are on spur trails. Guthook's guide has a lot more features. It shows your position on a map, which is intuitive. It has photos of many of the waypoints, and it includes many of the more marginal water sources and smaller tentsites. It also has a bulletin board on every waypoint, where users of the app can leave comments. This is very useful for getting recent information about unreliable water sources (it's not as reliable as the official Water Report, but can fill in gaps in its data), as well as candid information about businesses, suggestions about where to cross a river, etc. However, most of the features require downloading data intermittently (e.g. when you're in town), and doing so can be confusing and unreliable. Different kinds of data can be downloaded from different screens, so it's not straightforward to make sure that you have all the data for an upcoming stretch. The bulletin board data is silently downloaded in the background on occasion, so there's no way you can make sure you're up-to-date with that. All of this is made more awkward by the app's payment scheme, which divides the trail up into sections, and makes other sections look empty if you have the wrong one selected. I did notice that Guthook's track didn't always follow the official PCT signage, though the differences were minor (e.g. a 100-foot shortcut around a field). This might be an issue for sticklers. It also drained my battery while it was not running, until I enabled a power-saving mode on my phone that prevented certain background tasks from running. Most Android phones have a feature in the Battery section of the Settings program that will show you how much power each app has consumed -- it might be wise to check this once in a while to make sure Guthook is behaving well. OSMAnd is a general-purpose mapping app, not meant for the PCT specifically. It can give driving directions, for example. It differs from programs like Google Maps and Apple Maps in that it works offline, and uses crowdsourced map data. You need to download the map data beforehand, one state at a time, and these files are large. But the process is simple. The resulting maps have much more thorough coverage than any of the PCT-specific apps. Most PCT-specific apps only display a few side trails, generally those with particularly interesting destinations. OSMAnd's coverage is more like an atlas, covering everything (including fairly thorough trail maps). If you ever need to navigate near, but not on, the PCT, OSMAnd can help. It can also optionally download geotagged Wikipedia articles (of which there are many), and display them on the map. This can be nice if you like to spend time in camp reading about where you were or where you'll be, or plan detours if something interesting is nearby. It can also display contour lines on the map, though this slows it down. Going through all of OSMAnd's features is dizzyingly complicated, but only a few are necessary for PCT purposes. Not being a PCT app, the PCT is just another dotted line in OSMAnd. You can download Halfmile's GPX track and import it into OSMAnd, however, which will make the PCT a bright red line. -=Town Food On 07/11/2018 10:49 AM, Tim Umstead wrote: > I used Halfmiles app on a Motorola phone and it worked just fine. > Halfmile has the most up to date GPS points. In most cases Guthook > data lags behind Halfmile's. Last year Guthook updated his points using Halfmiles data. > With all the trails Guthook covers he goes a long time between updates. > > I use Guthooks app on the CDT. There are things I liked and disliked > about both Halfmiles and Guthooks apps. For me, I would like a > combination of the two. Thats not going to happen. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From jmhanigan at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 15:15:38 2018 From: jmhanigan at gmail.com (Jennifer Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 13:15:38 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Trail magic sites in Washington Message-ID: Hi all, I want to take some food and beverages out to the trail in Washington State next month, and would love to hear your opinions regarding the best places to do that. I was thinking about Rainy Pass and maybe one or two other spots... Thanks! Jennifer (Peanut) PCT '17 From pmb379 at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 22:51:29 2018 From: pmb379 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Peer_B=C3=B6hm?=) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 05:51:29 +0200 Subject: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, Meister Grimbart here, with a couple of questions: I am going to hike (if all goes well) the section in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass in mid-September, this year. I have not done this (not in that kind of area) before in the past couple of decades, so I have a few questions, which you guys might be able to help me with: How likely is it, to have snow and frost in that area, in the second half of September? How about storms, with sideways driving rain and sleet? I am asking, because I have to make a choice between a lightweight, smaller and a heavier, more robust and bigger tarp. Is mosquito season still on at that time? I am contemplating leaving the full bug net behind and using only a head- or half-net for the nights. Would that be likely to work out? I am going to have to buy a SIM card for my phone. I hear, the choices come down to AT&T and Verizon - which provider would be more likely to call in my pick-up with at Stevens Pass? I know, of course, that I am not going to get any guaranties, and I am not looking for any. I would just be thankful, and appreciate, some hints or pointers. TiA. Regards, Meister Grimbart From susanvirnig at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 19:53:13 2018 From: susanvirnig at gmail.com (Susan Virnig) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 17:53:13 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <502682AB-2DAA-43EE-8DEF-092B5B07A4B3@gmail.com> Verizon is much, much, much better for PCT hikers. They have consciously focused on rural America over the past 15 years in building their network, while AT&T has focused on the cities. Happy Trails! ?Susan from Spokane (Sunshine) > On Jul 16, 2018, at 8:51 PM, Peer B?hm wrote: > > Hello all, Meister Grimbart here, with a couple of questions: > > I am going to hike (if all goes well) the section in the Alpine Lakes > Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass in mid-September, this > year. > > I have not done this (not in that kind of area) before in the past > couple of decades, so I have a few questions, which you guys might be > able to help me with: > > How likely is it, to have snow and frost in that area, in the second > half of September? How about storms, with sideways driving rain and > sleet? I am asking, because I have to make a choice between a > lightweight, smaller and a heavier, more robust and bigger tarp. > > Is mosquito season still on at that time? I am contemplating leaving > the full bug net behind and using only a head- or half-net for the > nights. Would that be likely to work out? > > I am going to have to buy a SIM card for my phone. I hear, the choices > come down to AT&T and Verizon - which provider would be more likely to > call in my pick-up with at Stevens Pass? > > I know, of course, that I am not going to get any guaranties, and I am > not looking for any. I would just be thankful, and appreciate, some > hints or pointers. > > TiA. > > Regards, > Meister Grimbart > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pambryant58 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 20:08:51 2018 From: pambryant58 at gmail.com (Pamela Bryant) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 18:08:51 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was at Snoqualmie Pass in 2016 and I was using my cell phone at the trailhead. I have Verizon. At Stevens Pass I do not remember using my cell phone, but I know that Verizon hands down would have better reception. Stay Safe, Pam Bryant On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:01 PM Peer B?hm wrote: > Hello all, Meister Grimbart here, with a couple of questions: > > I am going to hike (if all goes well) the section in the Alpine Lakes > Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass in mid-September, this > year. > > I have not done this (not in that kind of area) before in the past > couple of decades, so I have a few questions, which you guys might be > able to help me with: > > How likely is it, to have snow and frost in that area, in the second > half of September? How about storms, with sideways driving rain and > sleet? I am asking, because I have to make a choice between a > lightweight, smaller and a heavier, more robust and bigger tarp. > > Is mosquito season still on at that time? I am contemplating leaving > the full bug net behind and using only a head- or half-net for the > nights. Would that be likely to work out? > > I am going to have to buy a SIM card for my phone. I hear, the choices > come down to AT&T and Verizon - which provider would be more likely to > call in my pick-up with at Stevens Pass? > > I know, of course, that I am not going to get any guaranties, and I am > not looking for any. I would just be thankful, and appreciate, some > hints or pointers. > > TiA. > > Regards, > Meister Grimbart > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From baidarker at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 20:46:38 2018 From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 18:46:38 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The second half of September is dicy in terms of weather, but I'd be prepared for the worst. Summer weather in the PNW begins to shift into autumn weather, which means the possibility of winter storms, right around the end of August. That doesn't mean that's what you'll get, but the likelihood of big storms is greatly increased even in early Sept. But, you can get lovely summer/Indian summer weather as well. In 2010, I finished the PCT into Manning Park, on Sept 17th. We'd had constant rain for the 2 weeks prior, and friends of mine who finished 2 days after me, crossed into Canada in a substantial snow storm, on Sept 19th. Then other friends who were really late, finished in early to mid October in lovely weather. Go figure! I rehiked WA in 2011, because it's just that darn beautiful, and at the same time of year, and we had lovely weather for the whole month right into mid Sept. But after my experience in 2010, I carried all the rain gear I could. I just never had to use it. So, it's a crap shoot, but I'd be prepared that late in the season in the Cascades. Good luck on a wonderful hike! Shroomer On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Pamela Bryant wrote: > I was at Snoqualmie Pass in 2016 and I was using my cell phone at the > trailhead. I have Verizon. > At Stevens Pass I do not remember using my cell phone, but I know that > Verizon hands down would have better reception. > Stay Safe, Pam Bryant > > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:01 PM Peer B?hm wrote: > > > Hello all, Meister Grimbart here, with a couple of questions: > > > > I am going to hike (if all goes well) the section in the Alpine Lakes > > Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass in mid-September, this > > year. > > > > I have not done this (not in that kind of area) before in the past > > couple of decades, so I have a few questions, which you guys might be > > able to help me with: > > > > How likely is it, to have snow and frost in that area, in the second > > half of September? How about storms, with sideways driving rain and > > sleet? I am asking, because I have to make a choice between a > > lightweight, smaller and a heavier, more robust and bigger tarp. > > > > Is mosquito season still on at that time? I am contemplating leaving > > the full bug net behind and using only a head- or half-net for the > > nights. Would that be likely to work out? > > > > I am going to have to buy a SIM card for my phone. I hear, the choices > > come down to AT&T and Verizon - which provider would be more likely to > > call in my pick-up with at Stevens Pass? > > > > I know, of course, that I am not going to get any guaranties, and I am > > not looking for any. I would just be thankful, and appreciate, some > > hints or pointers. > > > > TiA. > > > > Regards, > > Meister Grimbart > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Wed Jul 18 00:51:29 2018 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 05:51:29 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: marmot marmot > Date: July 17, 2018 at 4:37:14 PM PDT To: Peer B?hm > Subject: Re: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September I hiked that section twice. Once in Sept ---hitting Manning Park Oct 1st. It rained once. In late Aug it never rained. It really depends on the year. Honestly. Look at closer forecasts. I had no high winds. Did 25-29 mile days. There were no mosquitoes. It depends on when the melt happened. So pay attention to melt in Aug or early Sept. If there is snow. Then there will be mosquitoes --if not---probably not. Loved that section. You go up high and stay up there a lot. Beautiful meadows. Mtn sheep--goats. Pretty comfortable elevation gain and loss My experience is that AT&T means no service ever anywhere. Ever!!! People who I've talked to are happier with Verizon. Maybe someone else has direct experience with it. Hit the Goat Rocks early in the day because you do not want to kill yourself getting through the fog, ice,old snow impending dark etc to a place to set up your tent I've made that mistake twice. I think it is in that section. Hope I did not transpose it. It's that Glacier near where Dana Yellverton died of hyperthermia. Just remembered the name. --Packwood Glacier. Have a great hike Marmot Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Peer B?hm > wrote: Hello all, Meister Grimbart here, with a couple of questions: I am going to hike (if all goes well) the section in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass in mid-September, this year. I have not done this (not in that kind of area) before in the past couple of decades, so I have a few questions, which you guys might be able to help me with: How likely is it, to have snow and frost in that area, in the second half of September? How about storms, with sideways driving rain and sleet? I am asking, because I have to make a choice between a lightweight, smaller and a heavier, more robust and bigger tarp. Is mosquito season still on at that time? I am contemplating leaving the full bug net behind and using only a head- or half-net for the nights. Would that be likely to work out? I am going to have to buy a SIM card for my phone. I hear, the choices come down to AT&T and Verizon - which provider would be more likely to call in my pick-up with at Stevens Pass? I know, of course, that I am not going to get any guaranties, and I am not looking for any. I would just be thankful, and appreciate, some hints or pointers. TiA. Regards, Meister Grimbart _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From wandering_bob at comcast.net Tue Jul 17 22:23:01 2018 From: wandering_bob at comcast.net (Bob Bankhead) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 20:23:01 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003501d41e46$a2a519a0$e7ef4ce0$@comcast.net> Better to have and not need than the other way around. The further north you go in WA, the fewer exit options you have. The is NOTHING after Harts Pass so if you are yo-yoing Harts to the border and back, be sure you know what the weather forecasts predict. I got run out there by a heavy 5-day-long rain storm with temps in the low 40's one year. Even the locals bailed out to Winthrop. -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Scott Williams Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 6:47 PM To: Pamela Bryant Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; pmb379 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September The second half of September is dicy in terms of weather, but I'd be prepared for the worst. Summer weather in the PNW begins to shift into autumn weather, which means the possibility of winter storms, right around the end of August. That doesn't mean that's what you'll get, but the likelihood of big storms is greatly increased even in early Sept. But, you can get lovely summer/Indian summer weather as well. In 2010, I finished the PCT into Manning Park, on Sept 17th. We'd had constant rain for the 2 weeks prior, and friends of mine who finished 2 days after me, crossed into Canada in a substantial snow storm, on Sept 19th. Then other friends who were really late, finished in early to mid October in lovely weather. Go figure! I rehiked WA in 2011, because it's just that darn beautiful, and at the same time of year, and we had lovely weather for the whole month right into mid Sept. But after my experience in 2010, I carried all the rain gear I could. I just never had to use it. So, it's a crap shoot, but I'd be prepared that late in the season in the Cascades. Good luck on a wonderful hike! Shroomer > On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:01 PM Peer B?hm wrote: > > > Hello all, Meister Grimbart here, with a couple of questions: > > > > I am going to hike (if all goes well) the section in the Alpine > > Lakes Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass in > > mid-September, this year. > > > > I have not done this (not in that kind of area) before in the past > > couple of decades, so I have a few questions, which you guys might > > be able to help me with: > > > > How likely is it, to have snow and frost in that area, in the second > > half of September? How about storms, with sideways driving rain and > > sleet? I am asking, because I have to make a choice between a > > lightweight, smaller and a heavier, more robust and bigger tarp. > > > > Is mosquito season still on at that time? I am contemplating leaving > > the full bug net behind and using only a head- or half-net for the > > nights. Would that be likely to work out? > > > > I am going to have to buy a SIM card for my phone. I hear, the > > choices come down to AT&T and Verizon - which provider would be more > > likely to call in my pick-up with at Stevens Pass? > > > > I know, of course, that I am not going to get any guaranties, and I > > am not looking for any. I would just be thankful, and appreciate, > > some hints or pointers. > > > > TiA. > > > > Regards, > > Meister Grimbart > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pmb379 at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 03:54:06 2018 From: pmb379 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Peer_B=C3=B6hm?=) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:54:06 +0200 Subject: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September In-Reply-To: <003501d41e46$a2a519a0$e7ef4ce0$@comcast.net> References: <003501d41e46$a2a519a0$e7ef4ce0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thank you, all who have responded. Much appreciated. Verizon it is, then. Also seems to fit in well with where I am going afterwards - we will be visiting with my wife's family near Colville (where I will, if all goes well, touch on the PNT for a couple of days). Haven't heard about Dana Yelverton before. Packwood Glacier is about a hundred kilometers south of where I am starting. I have hiked in the Alps before, even though it's been a while. I do know a bit about some of the precautions to take, just not about the specifics of the region in the Cascades. Glacier walking would definitely be something I would try to avoid at this point. Black flies, slow but persistent ... I know about those, and their bites are worse than mosquitoes, if they are the same as what I am thinking about. There in season right now, here. :) So, proper bugnetting is is, even if it means more weight. I want to enjoy the journey ... If the weather can truly turn nasty, and with some amount of likelihood, I probably better bring the bigger, more robust tarp, not the summer tarp. As I said, I want to enjoy, not just barely survive. :) Already ordered some nice, warm down quilts, which will be waiting for me in the big city, nearby. :) And probably a proper jacket too, instead of just a rain jacket. All that will mean one an quarter kilogram more weight, but oh well, I guess. I'll just pack in a bit more food, so I can take my time ... Thanks for the hints and pointer, again, everyone. Looking forward to this experience! Regards, Meister Grimbart From susanvirnig at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 08:57:34 2018 From: susanvirnig at gmail.com (Susan Virnig) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 06:57:34 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September In-Reply-To: References: <003501d41e46$a2a519a0$e7ef4ce0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I highly doubt you will have any problem with bugs in Sept. I section hiked WA over about 5 years, always in the window from late August to early October. No bugs ever. But be prepared for rain, snow, winds, cold weather ? and you might get gorgeous fall weather instead. ?Susan from Spokane > On Jul 18, 2018, at 1:54 AM, Peer B?hm wrote: > > Thank you, all who have responded. Much appreciated. > > Verizon it is, then. Also seems to fit in well with where I am going > afterwards - we will be visiting with my wife's family near Colville > (where I will, if all goes well, touch on the PNT for a couple of > days). > > Haven't heard about Dana Yelverton before. Packwood Glacier is about a > hundred kilometers south of where I am starting. I have hiked in the > Alps before, even though it's been a while. I do know a bit about some > of the precautions to take, just not about the specifics of the region > in the Cascades. Glacier walking would definitely be something I would > try to avoid at this point. > > Black flies, slow but persistent ... I know about those, and their > bites are worse than mosquitoes, if they are the same as what I am > thinking about. There in season right now, here. :) So, proper > bugnetting is is, even if it means more weight. I want to enjoy the > journey ... > > If the weather can truly turn nasty, and with some amount of > likelihood, I probably better bring the bigger, more robust tarp, not > the summer tarp. As I said, I want to enjoy, not just barely survive. > :) Already ordered some nice, warm down quilts, which will be waiting > for me in the big city, nearby. :) > > And probably a proper jacket too, instead of just a rain jacket. All > that will mean one an quarter kilogram more weight, but oh well, I > guess. I'll just pack in a bit more food, so I can take my time ... > > Thanks for the hints and pointer, again, everyone. Looking forward to > this experience! > > Regards, > Meister Grimbart > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From tokencivilian at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 17:16:44 2018 From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com (Barry Teschlog) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Trail Magic Sites in Washington References: <1766572152.1390965.1531952204868.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1766572152.1390965.1531952204868@mail.yahoo.com> As you're aware, there aren't a lot of road accessible locations in Washington.? Where there are road crossings, often times, those are at town stops where magic doesn't make sense (e.g. Forest Rd 23 to Trout Lake, White Pass, Snoqualmie Pass, Stevens Pass).? A free burger and beer at Snoqualmie doesn't make sense with the restaurants and Dru Bru there, for example. At the other spots (Chinook Pass, Harts Pass, Rainy Pass, Government Meadows, the road crossings in the "checkerboard" clearcuts south of Snoqualmie Pass, etc) there are many established trail magic providers.? A few years ago, there were 3 within 10 trail miles - Tacoma Pass, a road near Snowshoe Butte and a third at Stampede Pass. I'd suggest digging around on the various trail angel FB pages and find out who goes where and when, then coordinate so multiple's don't show up to the same place. OR.......... Do magic in a different manner - join the local trail crew. Drinks, etc are fine, who doesn't want a cold coke or hot burger.? But the magic is done when you drive home, and you impact how many people?? A few dozen at the most? If you want the magic to last & to help for years to come, join the trail crew. We just got an e-mail to that effect:"Holy cow!? The PCT from Milk Creek to Mica Lake looks amazing!!? That was the stretch I ran last year on Don?s crew and commented had brush over my head and trees that I still have scars from.? Those complex tree tangles have all been cleared (2 new downed trees on that switchback set) and the brush was cleared!!! ...[P]lease pass on my thanks if you know them!? It was a privilege to run that stretch on back to back years and experience the huge improvement! " Want to build a bridge on the PCT over a creek near Rainy Pass?? How about restoring the part that burned in the Norse Peak fire?? Clearing logs south of Stevens Pass?? These are just a few of the projects that are going on in Washington. There are more single day projects if you get on the FB page / e-mail list of the local PCTA crews. https://www.pcta.org/volunteer/project-schedule/ Want an example of the benefits provided to the hikers?? A couple of us had cleared a brushy section of the PCT south of Snoqualmie Pass in 2009.? Prior to clearing, the huckleberry bushes were waist to shoulder high, touching from both sides of the trail.? Wading through that on a cool September morning meant being soaked to the skin.? After clearing - every....single....hiker that passed that way from August of 2009 to date enjoyed a better trail experience - 9 years worth.? That's thousands of hikers helped from one day of "magic".? No amount of sodas can reach that many. The local crew just cleared that same stretch again on the 4th of July, almost 9 years to the day later.? Note that the crew cleared it long before it got to as bad as it was in 2009.? So, for my 2 days of effort, once in 2009, and again earlier this month, I've helped literally thousands of hikers - thru, section and day, enjoy this section. From pctl at marcusschwartz.com Wed Jul 18 20:03:46 2018 From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:03:46 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Trail magic sites in Washington In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The picnic tables at Hart's Pass could make it logistically easier. Seating can be the most bulky item when you're doing trail magic, and if you don't have a large vehicle, bulk can be a major constraint. I think you may have hit my trail magic at Highway 40 / Donner last year, and you might remember the tiny stools and flimsy folding chairs I was using -- they were about all I could fit in a Honda Civic, and even that was awkward. If the site you choose has picnic tables, that can make logistics a lot easier. Hart's Pass being the last stop before (or first stop after?) Canada, it could be fun to theme it after Canada or the US. I hiked some drinks up a spur trail to the PCT a couple days ago, and the hikers told me about someone who was doing trail magic in the Sierras earlier this year who dressed as an RCMP Mountie and pretended to be inspecting Canada entry permits. Much fun was had. That said, I wouldn't expect many thru-hikers to be in Washington in August, except perhaps the Southernmost parts near the end of August. That would be too early for any Northbounders who aren't racing, and too late for Southbounders, wouldn't it? Anyhow, good luck and have fun! -=Town Food On July 17, 2018 1:15:38 PM PDT, Jennifer Johnson wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to take some food and beverages out to the trail in > Washington State next month, and would love to hear your opinions > regarding the best places to do that. I was thinking about Rainy > Pass and maybe one or two other spots... > > Thanks! > > Jennifer (Peanut) PCT '17 > _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All > content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is > prohibited without express permission. From douglastow at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 21:52:15 2018 From: douglastow at gmail.com (Douglas Tow) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 19:52:15 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Hikers in Washington Message-ID: I personally know thru-hikers that are already at Crater Lake, which would be two weeks or less until they reach Washington. I also know that these hikers are not on the bleeding edge, more likely in the first 25% of hikers. So, there might not be a flood of hikers in Washington in August, there will be a fair number. Chipmunk From lucecruz13 at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 22:42:22 2018 From: lucecruz13 at gmail.com (Luce Cruz) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 21:42:22 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Hikers in Washington In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:52 PM Douglas Tow wrote: > I personally know thru-hikers that are already at Crater Lake, which would > be two weeks or less until they reach Washington. THere are also South bound hikers, though far fewer. I'll bet after being struck by lightning and still continuing their hike they'd really appreciate a surprise cold beverage and some extra food. -- Luce Cruz From jmhanigan at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 23:13:11 2018 From: jmhanigan at gmail.com (Jennifer Johnson) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 21:13:11 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Trail magic sites in Washington In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Town Food, I ended my hike at Donner?s Pass last year at the end of September?I had hit the Sierras at the beginning of June, and spent one week in the snowpocalypse before I bailed and headed north to do Northern Cali, Oregon and Washington. I went back after I reached the Canadian border and did the Sierra section that I skipped. So I probably didn't run into you! It turned out to be a great trip, though, as Washington wasn?t too cold in August and the Sierras were gorgeous and largely snow-free in September (except for a horrendous storm at Sonora Pass). And for the person that asked about bugs in Washington in August in an earlier thread, I will add that it is usually blissfully bug free during that time! I agree that there probably won?t be that many people going through Washington in August, although maybe section hikers will be? I did run into a lot of people on the trail in August last year, but that could have been due to the conditions. I?ve seen some posts on Facebook and emails here that lead me to think people may be in that area, but I may head back out in September to catch some more folks. I live in SW Washington, so it?s not that big of a deal to get out there. I have an RV, too, so I can hang out somewhere for a few days and see who rambles by. If there aren?t that many hikers, I guess that means more beer for me. :) And I like the idea of having a theme! How fun! On an unrelated note, this is my first post on the listserv and holy wow have I received some pornographic emails since then! I blocked them, but I wonder if there is some other way to deal with that? I?m on several other listservs and have never had that problem. I had the misfortune of opening one of them at work and that made for an interesting conversation with the person who happened to be in my office at the time? Thanks, Jennifer Johnson > On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:03 PM, Town Food wrote: > > The picnic tables at Hart's Pass could make it logistically easier. > Seating can be the most bulky item when you're doing trail magic, and if > you don't have a large vehicle, bulk can be a major constraint. I think > you may have hit my trail magic at Highway 40 / Donner last year, and > you might remember the tiny stools and flimsy folding chairs I was using > -- they were about all I could fit in a Honda Civic, and even that was > awkward. If the site you choose has picnic tables, that can make > logistics a lot easier. > > Hart's Pass being the last stop before (or first stop after?) Canada, it > could be fun to theme it after Canada or the US. I hiked some drinks up > a spur trail to the PCT a couple days ago, and the hikers told me about > someone who was doing trail magic in the Sierras earlier this year who > dressed as an RCMP Mountie and pretended to be inspecting Canada entry > permits. Much fun was had. > > That said, I wouldn't expect many thru-hikers to be in Washington in > August, except perhaps the Southernmost parts near the end of August. > That would be too early for any Northbounders who aren't racing, and too > late for Southbounders, wouldn't it? > > Anyhow, good luck and have fun! > > -=Town Food > > On July 17, 2018 1:15:38 PM PDT, Jennifer Johnson > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I want to take some food and beverages out to the trail in >> Washington State next month, and would love to hear your opinions >> regarding the best places to do that. I was thinking about Rainy >> Pass and maybe one or two other spots... >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jennifer (Peanut) PCT '17 >> _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All >> content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is >> prohibited without express permission. From jmhanigan at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 23:19:43 2018 From: jmhanigan at gmail.com (Jennifer Johnson) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 21:19:43 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Trail Magic Sites in Washington In-Reply-To: <1766572152.1390965.1531952204868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1766572152.1390965.1531952204868.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1766572152.1390965.1531952204868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3652A37F-5A7E-4F48-BDBA-7143E18E5F6D@gmail.com> Hi Barry, Thanks for the info! I definitely want to help with trail maintenance. My schedule is way busier than I would like it to be at the moment, so a day trip would be ideal?I?ll check the project schedule. I remember many places on trail where I was supremely grateful that it had been cleared. I hope to be able to give back in that regard as well. Thanks all for the wonderful advice! Jennifer Johnson > On Jul 18, 2018, at 3:16 PM, Barry Teschlog wrote: > > As you're aware, there aren't a lot of road accessible locations in Washington. Where there are road crossings, often times, those are at town stops where magic doesn't make sense (e.g. Forest Rd 23 to Trout Lake, White Pass, Snoqualmie Pass, Stevens Pass). A free burger and beer at Snoqualmie doesn't make sense with the restaurants and Dru Bru there, for example. > > At the other spots (Chinook Pass, Harts Pass, Rainy Pass, Government Meadows, the road crossings in the "checkerboard" clearcuts south of Snoqualmie Pass, etc) there are many established trail magic providers. A few years ago, there were 3 within 10 trail miles - Tacoma Pass, a road near Snowshoe Butte and a third at Stampede Pass. > I'd suggest digging around on the various trail angel FB pages and find out who goes where and when, then coordinate so multiple's don't show up to the same place. > OR.......... > Do magic in a different manner - join the local trail crew. > > Drinks, etc are fine, who doesn't want a cold coke or hot burger. But the magic is done when you drive home, and you impact how many people? A few dozen at the most? > > If you want the magic to last & to help for years to come, join the trail crew. > We just got an e-mail to that effect:"Holy cow! The PCT from Milk Creek to Mica Lake looks amazing!! That was the stretch I ran last year on Don?s crew and commented had brush over my head and trees that I still have scars from. Those complex tree tangles have all been cleared (2 new downed trees on that switchback set) and the brush was cleared!!! ...[P]lease pass on my thanks if you know them! It was a privilege to run that stretch on back to back years and experience the huge improvement! " > Want to build a bridge on the PCT over a creek near Rainy Pass? > > How about restoring the part that burned in the Norse Peak fire? > > Clearing logs south of Stevens Pass? > > These are just a few of the projects that are going on in Washington. There are more single day projects if you get on the FB page / e-mail list of the local PCTA crews. > > https://www.pcta.org/volunteer/project-schedule/ > > Want an example of the benefits provided to the hikers? A couple of us had cleared a brushy section of the PCT south of Snoqualmie Pass in 2009. Prior to clearing, the huckleberry bushes were waist to shoulder high, touching from both sides of the trail. Wading through that on a cool September morning meant being soaked to the skin. After clearing - every....single....hiker that passed that way from August of 2009 to date enjoyed a better trail experience - 9 years worth. That's thousands of hikers helped from one day of "magic". No amount of sodas can reach that many. > > The local crew just cleared that same stretch again on the 4th of July, almost 9 years to the day later. Note that the crew cleared it long before it got to as bad as it was in 2009. So, for my 2 days of effort, once in 2009, and again earlier this month, I've helped literally thousands of hikers - thru, section and day, enjoy this section. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From gary.minetti at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 06:37:03 2018 From: gary.minetti at gmail.com (Gary Minetti) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 07:37:03 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Trail magic sites in Washington In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A791ADE-05CE-4BE7-9FA9-A48C2963D838@gmail.com> In 2012, 52 thru-hikers finished and signed into the log before September 1. I don?t know what the permit numbers look like for 2018 and it sure sounds like there is a crowd on the trail this year. > On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:03 PM, Town Food wrote: > > The picnic tables at Hart's Pass could make it logistically easier. > Seating can be the most bulky item when you're doing trail magic, and if > you don't have a large vehicle, bulk can be a major constraint. I think > you may have hit my trail magic at Highway 40 / Donner last year, and > you might remember the tiny stools and flimsy folding chairs I was using > -- they were about all I could fit in a Honda Civic, and even that was > awkward. If the site you choose has picnic tables, that can make > logistics a lot easier. > > Hart's Pass being the last stop before (or first stop after?) Canada, it > could be fun to theme it after Canada or the US. I hiked some drinks up > a spur trail to the PCT a couple days ago, and the hikers told me about > someone who was doing trail magic in the Sierras earlier this year who > dressed as an RCMP Mountie and pretended to be inspecting Canada entry > permits. Much fun was had. > > That said, I wouldn't expect many thru-hikers to be in Washington in > August, except perhaps the Southernmost parts near the end of August. > That would be too early for any Northbounders who aren't racing, and too > late for Southbounders, wouldn't it? > > Anyhow, good luck and have fun! > > -=Town Food > > On July 17, 2018 1:15:38 PM PDT, Jennifer Johnson > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I want to take some food and beverages out to the trail in >> Washington State next month, and would love to hear your opinions >> regarding the best places to do that. I was thinking about Rainy >> Pass and maybe one or two other spots... >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jennifer (Peanut) PCT '17 >> _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All >> content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is >> prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Fri Jul 20 17:17:28 2018 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:17:28 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: marmot marmot > Date: July 17, 2018 at 4:37:14 PM PDT To: Peer B?hm > Subject: Re: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September I hiked that section twice. Once in Sept ---hitting Manning Park Oct 1st. It rained once. In late Aug it never rained. It really depends on the year. Honestly. Look at closer forecasts. I had no high winds. Did 25-29 mile days. There were no mosquitoes. It depends on when the melt happened. So pay attention to melt in Aug or early Sept. If there is snow. Then there will be mosquitoes --if not---probably not. Loved that section. You go up high and stay up there a lot. Beautiful meadows. Mtn sheep--goats. Pretty comfortable elevation gain and loss My experience is that AT&T means no service ever anywhere. Ever!!! People who I've talked to are happier with Verizon. Maybe someone else has direct experience with it. Hit the Goat Rocks early in the day because you do not want to kill yourself getting through the fog, ice,old snow impending dark etc to a place to set up your tent I've made that mistake twice. I think it is in that section. Hope I did not transpose it. It's that Glacier near where Dana Yellverton died of hyperthermia. Just remembered the name. --Packwood Glacier. Have a great hike Marmot Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Peer B?hm > wrote: Hello all, Meister Grimbart here, with a couple of questions: I am going to hike (if all goes well) the section in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass in mid-September, this year. I have not done this (not in that kind of area) before in the past couple of decades, so I have a few questions, which you guys might be able to help me with: How likely is it, to have snow and frost in that area, in the second half of September? How about storms, with sideways driving rain and sleet? I am asking, because I have to make a choice between a lightweight, smaller and a heavier, more robust and bigger tarp. Is mosquito season still on at that time? I am contemplating leaving the full bug net behind and using only a head- or half-net for the nights. Would that be likely to work out? I am going to have to buy a SIM card for my phone. I hear, the choices come down to AT&T and Verizon - which provider would be more likely to call in my pick-up with at Stevens Pass? I know, of course, that I am not going to get any guaranties, and I am not looking for any. I would just be thankful, and appreciate, some hints or pointers. TiA. Regards, Meister Grimbart _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Fri Jul 20 17:17:36 2018 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:17:36 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: marmot marmot > Date: July 17, 2018 at 4:37:14 PM PDT To: Peer B?hm > Subject: Re: [pct-l] a couple questions: section WA-J in mid-September I hiked that section twice. Once in Sept ---hitting Manning Park Oct 1st. It rained once. In late Aug it never rained. It really depends on the year. Honestly. Look at closer forecasts. I had no high winds. Did 25-29 mile days. There were no mosquitoes. It depends on when the melt happened. So pay attention to melt in Aug or early Sept. If there is snow. Then there will be mosquitoes --if not---probably not. Loved that section. You go up high and stay up there a lot. Beautiful meadows. Mtn sheep--goats. Pretty comfortable elevation gain and loss My experience is that AT&T means no service ever anywhere. Ever!!! People who I've talked to are happier with Verizon. Maybe someone else has direct experience with it. Hit the Goat Rocks early in the day because you do not want to kill yourself getting through the fog, ice,old snow impending dark etc to a place to set up your tent I've made that mistake twice. I think it is in that section. Hope I did not transpose it. It's that Glacier near where Dana Yellverton died of hyperthermia. Just remembered the name. --Packwood Glacier. Have a great hike Marmot Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Peer B?hm > wrote: Hello all, Meister Grimbart here, with a couple of questions: I am going to hike (if all goes well) the section in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass in mid-September, this year. I have not done this (not in that kind of area) before in the past couple of decades, so I have a few questions, which you guys might be able to help me with: How likely is it, to have snow and frost in that area, in the second half of September? How about storms, with sideways driving rain and sleet? I am asking, because I have to make a choice between a lightweight, smaller and a heavier, more robust and bigger tarp. Is mosquito season still on at that time? I am contemplating leaving the full bug net behind and using only a head- or half-net for the nights. Would that be likely to work out? I am going to have to buy a SIM card for my phone. I hear, the choices come down to AT&T and Verizon - which provider would be more likely to call in my pick-up with at Stevens Pass? I know, of course, that I am not going to get any guaranties, and I am not looking for any. I would just be thankful, and appreciate, some hints or pointers. TiA. Regards, Meister Grimbart _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From derekfohs at hotmail.com Sat Jul 21 08:53:06 2018 From: derekfohs at hotmail.com (Derek Fohs) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 13:53:06 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Ride to Sonora Pass from Bay Area early August Message-ID: I'm hiking Sonora Pass to Hwy 80. I'm hitting up Facebook friends, family, and putting it out here in case someone is heading that direction. I live in Santa Cruz but can find a way to get to most places in the Bay Area. Thanks! - Derek (Trail Trunks) From meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com Sat Jul 21 13:36:42 2018 From: meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com (Meridith Rosendahl) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 11:36:42 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Plumas National Forest fire restrictions in place. Message-ID: National Forest Fire Restrictions CalFire previously put warm season fire restrictions into effect on private lands in the region. Plumas National Forest has now applied safety restrictions on public lands, as follows: - We may not build, maintain, attend or use a fire, campfire or stove fire except in Designated Recreation Sites, even with a valid campfire permit. Campfires must be build within agency installed and approved fire pits only. Lanterns and portable stoves using gas, jellied petroleum or pressurized liquid fuel are allowed so long as the user has a valid campfire permit. - No smoking, except within an enclosed vehicle, building, Designated Recreation Site or while stopped in an area at least 3 feet in diameter that is barren or cleared of all flammable material (e.g., vegetation, debris). - No welding or operating acetylene or other torch with an open flame. Woodcutting is still allowed within Plumas National Forest if daily fire indices permit. To determine if it is a permissive wood cutting day, call (800) 847-7766 prior to cutting wood. A recorded message will notify woodcutters if the forest is open all day (no restrictions), open part of the day (?hoot owl?, meaning no cutting after 1 pm) or closed completely (no wood cutting allowed that day). From thelyn at icloud.com Sat Jul 21 18:27:42 2018 From: thelyn at icloud.com (Lyn Turner) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 00:27:42 +0100 Subject: [pct-l] Hikers in Washington In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F6A52E3-B979-4C2F-A512-1E690BAFB60E@icloud.com> I'm in London, UK at the moment, living with the never-ending heatwave. Surprise cold beverages and extra food would be quite welcome... Scottish Lyn Sent from my iThing > On 19 Jul 2018, at 04:42, Luce Cruz wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:52 PM Douglas Tow wrote: >> >> I personally know thru-hikers that are already at Crater Lake, which would >> be two weeks or less until they reach Washington. > > > THere are also South bound hikers, though far fewer. I'll bet after being > struck by lightning and still continuing their hike they'd really > appreciate a surprise cold beverage and some extra food. > > -- > Luce Cruz > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From tnx4asking at gmail.com Sat Jul 21 20:36:32 2018 From: tnx4asking at gmail.com (John Casterline) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 21:36:32 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Ride Needed Message-ID: I arrive at Seattle International Airport on Aug 7th at noon and need a ride to Snowqualmie. Any Trail Angels out there? Will gladly pay. Contact me using email at tnx4asking at gmail.com. Just in case no one available, what is the bus service that takes you there? ?THANKS? -- John Caster____ lungcancerhike.org johnbcasterline.com Facebook From mcw1139 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 25 12:36:20 2018 From: mcw1139 at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Current mosquito/smoke conditions in the Kings Canyon high country? References: <655212102.2286316.1532540180635.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <655212102.2286316.1532540180635@mail.yahoo.com> If you've been to? the Kings Canyon high country (above 10,000 ft. /3048 meters) anywhere between Dusy Basin and Whitney recently, could you tell me current mosquito/smoke conditions in the high country. PLEASE refer to the handy dandy Mosquito metric (PROVIDED BELOW) because everyone's rating system is different. The Mosquito metric..... Assuming you we re in a place with little wind and had exposed skin areas and you were not using a mosquito repellent ... When you would stop moving, how many mosquitoes would land on skin in the first minute? 100+? =? Extremely horrible 10-50 = Horrible 5-10? = Bad 2-5? =? Moderate 0-1? =? OK 0? = Wonderful PLEASE also include where and when you were there. - Thanks Mark From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net Wed Jul 25 20:58:54 2018 From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:58:54 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] IDYLLWILD FIRE Message-ID: <164d44f6d41-c89-98d@webjas-vab152.srv.aolmail.net> Wanted to post so everyone k now's about this fire Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com From brick at brickrobbins.com Thu Jul 26 00:45:39 2018 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 22:45:39 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] IDYLLWILD FIRE In-Reply-To: <164d44f6d41-c89-98d@webjas-vab152.srv.aolmail.net> References: <164d44f6d41-c89-98d@webjas-vab152.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: the fire is named "Cranston Fire" At this time there have been 4700 acres burnt, and several structures. It doesn't look like it has burnt the PCT tread yet, but it is moving that way, and is not far off. Here is a map https://www.pe.com/2018/07/25/this-map-shows-where-the-cranston-fire-is-burning-near-idyllwild/ This was arson, the perp is in custody. From jomike at cot.net Fri Jul 27 12:44:51 2018 From: jomike at cot.net (JoAnn) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:44:51 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Redding fire Message-ID: For those who don?t know, there is a fire in the Redding, CA city limits. Dozens of homes are already destroyed and a fire fighter has been killed. Not looking good at all. Pray for Northern CA. are we there yet From HStroh at sjmslaw.com Fri Jul 27 12:49:36 2018 From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:49:36 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Steven's Pass--canister fuel Message-ID: <73870447cd184461ae8d20ac0bde947e@MALAWI.SJLM.local> I fly into Seattle a week from today to southbound Steven's Pass to White Pass. Anyone know if canister fuel is available at Steven's Pass? I will try to buy in Seattle, but my transportation connections may get tight and leave me little time to track something down. Thanks. Herb From pctl at marcusschwartz.com Fri Jul 27 15:47:27 2018 From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 13:47:27 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Steven's Pass--canister fuel In-Reply-To: <73870447cd184461ae8d20ac0bde947e@MALAWI.SJLM.local> References: <73870447cd184461ae8d20ac0bde947e@MALAWI.SJLM.local> Message-ID: <50481518-9581-4F5B-9A15-C137CD752725@marcusschwartz.com> Crow's town guide from asthecrowflies.org includes a document called "PCT Fuel Town List 2016", which purports to list fuel resupply options on the PCT. For the Steven's Pass area, it only mentions alcohol fuel (in Skykomish and Baring, and the Baring store has since closed). It seems likely you could find canisters in Leavenworth, though that's a ways east of the PCT, and I don't explicitly recall seeing them there. You also might find some part-empty canisters in a hiker box at the pass proper. -=Town Food On July 27, 2018 10:49:36 AM PDT, Herb Stroh wrote: >I fly into Seattle a week from today to southbound Steven's Pass to >White Pass. > >Anyone know if canister fuel is available at Steven's Pass? I will try >to buy in Seattle, but my transportation connections may get tight and >leave me little time to track something down. > >Thanks. > >Herb >_______________________________________________ >Pct-L mailing list >Pct-L at backcountry.net >To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > >List Archives: >http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pctl at oakapple.net Mon Jul 30 23:17:45 2018 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] complete printouts of half-mile maps Message-ID: <201807310417.w6V4Hj71028617@server-f.oakapple.net> Yogi's Books doesn't sell printouts of half-mile maps any more: "Yogi's Books does not offer printing services for Halfmile's maps. We tried to obtain copyright permission from NatGeo, but the NatGeo Vice President informed us that it is illegal for anyone (commercial or private) to print the maps and charge for the printing service. NatGeo said the only way to legally print Halfmile's maps is for an individual to print the maps for themselves from their home printer." My home printer isn't very good so I'd rather pay somebody else to do a good job. Has anybody figured out a way forward on this? Must be a big pain for new hikers who don't have complete sets from previous years... Or maybe young people just download them all and never drop their electronics in the creek. Not that previous year maps are a panacea because the mileage changes and each year has more points of interest (especially water sources and campsites) than the year before. From laurie_h1234 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 30 23:33:52 2018 From: laurie_h1234 at yahoo.com (Laurie Hallum) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 04:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] complete printouts of half-mile maps In-Reply-To: <201807310417.w6V4Hj71028617@server-f.oakapple.net> References: <201807310417.w6V4Hj71028617@server-f.oakapple.net> Message-ID: <1005766258.1198402.1533011632662@mail.yahoo.com> My hiking partner's home printer doesn't work so he would put the maps on a thumb-drive, and then take the thumb-drive to a printing company. ?It didn't cost him too much as I remember.Lady Pegasus? On Monday, July 30, 2018, 9:18:06 PM PDT, David Hough reading PCT-L wrote: Yogi's Books doesn't sell printouts of half-mile maps any more: "Yogi's Books does not offer printing services for Halfmile's maps.? We tried to obtain copyright permission from NatGeo, but the NatGeo Vice President informed us that it is illegal for anyone (commercial or private) to print the maps and charge for the printing service.? NatGeo said the only way to legally print Halfmile's maps is for an individual to print the maps for themselves from their home printer." My home printer isn't very good so I'd rather pay somebody else to do a good job.? ? Has anybody figured out a way forward on this? Must be a big pain for new hikers who don't have complete sets from previous years...? ? Or maybe young people just download them all and never drop their electronics in the creek. Not that previous year maps are a panacea because the mileage changes and each year has more points of interest (especially water sources and campsites) than the year before. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pctl at oakapple.net Mon Jul 30 23:37:47 2018 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] referring to points on the PCT Message-ID: <201807310437.w6V4bkrm029021@server-f.oakapple.net> Because the PCT changes from year to year, representing points of interest by their distance from Mexico is guaranteed to cause problems when different people are trying to coordinate with different printed and electronic data sets. People who through-hike once and get all their data at the same time might not be aware of that. Life would be simpler if within each section, points of interest were identified by distance from the beginning of the section. Then that identification would only change when the trail changed in that section. The "data book" format pages and the maps could still indicate the distance from Mexico as well as the distance from the beginning of the section. Thus the Dog Trail junction in Castle Crags would probably always be TRP7 instead of TR1506 one year and something else the next year. If there were any chance of confusion between Campo and Ashland or Donner Pass and Rainy Pass, one would also have to indicate the state C, O, or W. From pctl at oakapple.net Tue Jul 31 00:00:43 2018 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 22:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] belated trail condition information Message-ID: <201807310500.w6V50hLv029577@server-f.oakapple.net> This is probably old news, but I keep not getting around to reporting it. I have been rehiking sections O and P after many years. Section P, about a half mile north of the southern boundary of the Russian Wilderness, as of 23 July: the trail is blocked to stock by rockfall in an unfortunate section blasted out of a rock cliff. I don't know how one puts an animal in reverse on a narrow trail. Unsteady hikers might not be too comfortable either, but at least it's feasible to get around the rock, a slab that neatly almost covers the trail to a height that is not comfortable to step over. Most of the rest of section P is in excellent shape. Section O, about a mile west of Butcherknife Creek, around Memorial Day: the trail is blocked to stock by a large (36"+) tree with no obvious way around. Hikers could get by. As in the past, the worst parts of section O are overgrown with brush in some places and poison oak in the lowest places, and there were a number of non-blocking trees across the trail west of McCloud River, but section O as a whole is in pretty good shape. The road to Grizzly Peak is marginal for normal passenger cars, for day hikers following the Semb books. It was better on Memorial Day than it was on July 4. The road to Peavine is rougher than it used to be, too. Lots of water, and flowers in both O and P this year. Maybe I just forgot what previous years were like. Red Mountain Pond is section O didn't look bad, though it's too close to Clark Spring to be very interesting. In section P, among the many water sources along the canyon wall of South Russian Creek, the outlet of Bingham Lake is not mentioned on my map, and might be seasonal, but on July 23 it was the first really attractive water after S Fork Scott River. I'd recommend to anybody who has the time to take the Fen trail to Kangaroo Lake in section P. Very well done interpretive trail. If you don't know what Darlingtonia Californica looks like, you will. The campground looks pretty nice at Kangaroo Lake, but I didn't stay there. From pctl at oakapple.net Tue Jul 31 00:10:39 2018 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 22:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] a word about Etna Message-ID: <201807310510.w6V5AdJm029765@server-f.oakapple.net> It's nice to see a whole town that has gotten on board with a positive attitude about PCT hikers. I discovered that the brewery was closed when I was there, but the Paystreak was open (even though their website isn't looking so good) - across from the museum with a big sign welcoming PCT hikers. Everybody seemed to be able to get a ride to and from Etna Summit without too much trouble. What a hoot - funky locals, funky musicians, funky hikers, but good brews and food. I was the age of the funky locals and musicians rather than the funky hikers, and I could sing along because the musicians were evidently listening to the same country music radio stations that I was, forty years ago. From susanvirnig at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 08:47:57 2018 From: susanvirnig at gmail.com (Susan Virnig) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 06:47:57 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] referring to points on the PCT In-Reply-To: <201807310437.w6V4bkrm029021@server-f.oakapple.net> References: <201807310437.w6V4bkrm029021@server-f.oakapple.net> Message-ID: Exactly what David Hough is referring to here is already available in eTrails, which I love. Based on the old Wilderness Press guidebooks ? which I?ve been using since I started section hiking the PCT in 1977 ? it has tons of info available on geology, botany, history and just plain quirky stuff, which you can click on or ignore if you?re not interested. Each section starts from zero, which I LOVE. Much easier to track, especially for us section hikers, than knowing we?re 1,387.6 miles from Mexico. Though, of course, I carry my own printed out Halfmile maps as a back-up in case that awful creek accident happens with my phone. So far I?ve been lucky. Anyway, eTrails is free. Go to the app store and download it. Many, many, many thanks to David Money Harris for creating it. ?Susan from Spokane, aka Sunshine > On Jul 30, 2018, at 9:37 PM, David Hough reading PCT-L wrote: > > > Because the PCT changes from year to year, representing points of interest > by their distance from Mexico is guaranteed to cause problems when different > people are trying to coordinate with different printed and electronic data > sets. People who through-hike once and get all their data at the same > time might not be aware of that. > > Life would be simpler if within each section, points of interest were > identified by distance from the beginning of the section. Then that > identification would only change when the trail changed in that section. > The "data book" format pages and the maps could still indicate the distance > from Mexico as well as the distance from the beginning of the section. > > Thus the Dog Trail junction in Castle Crags would probably always be > TRP7 instead of TR1506 one year and something else the next year. > > If there were any chance of confusion between Campo and Ashland or > Donner Pass and Rainy Pass, one would also have to indicate the state > C, O, or W. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pctl at oakapple.net Tue Jul 31 10:14:46 2018 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] smoke conditions at Reds Meadow and south Message-ID: <201807311514.w6VFEkem001165@server-f.oakapple.net> The Lions Fire is not very big (compared to the really big ones right now) but it's not very far from Reds Meadow. Anybody have any recent info on air quality for Red Meadow, Purple Lake, Tully Hole, Fish Valley? It looks like the next stretch of trail to the north that I want to redo, that has tolerable air quality, would be somewhere between Willamette Pass and Cascade Locks. That would be quite a change of plans. From pctl at oakapple.net Tue Jul 31 20:18:35 2018 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 18:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] flash flood warning - Devils Postpile to Tuolumne Message-ID: <201808010118.w711IZVS000188@server-f.oakapple.net> A bad time to be out on this section of the PCT: https://www.wunderground.com/severe/us/ca/mammoth-lakes The good news is that air quality might get better if no new fires start. I remember camping out near Rush Creek once. No floods but in the middle of the night a herd of cows clanged past down the trail. No cowboys in sight, I guess the cows were on auto-pilot back to greener pastures.