From tanguero.rubio at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 15:37:03 2018
From: tanguero.rubio at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 13:37:03 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] is the list still working
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I have not seen anything in a while

From sdscpcts at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 17 18:29:22 2018
From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (sdscpcts)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 16:29:22 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] is the list still working
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I was just thinking the same thing. But yours came through.?


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I have not seen anything in a while
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From richardb10 at live.com  Fri Aug 17 22:55:30 2018
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 03:55:30 +0000
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We are here,

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From pctl at oakapple.net  Sat Aug 18 08:46:11 2018
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 06:46:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Star City Creek
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Let's have some actual content on the list, even if belated.

When I was on section O around July 4, I needed to get some water
between Mushroom Rock and Grizzly Peak.   At an obscure trail junction
at an non-existent stream marked on the topo map, there is a route
marked to water.    Even though it's discussed in Yogi's book and the
water report, I had a little trouble finding it.     The through hikers
are probably through for the season, but for next year...

It's called AlderCreekTr on half-mile maps.   There were some ribbons
on the PCT marking the junction, and it wasn't too hard to follow them
to the road, and then to the creek bed... which was dry.   One is tempted
to follow the implied route across the creek bed on a disappearing road,
then a disappearing trail, which leads to hearing the creek but not seeing
it because of brush.      The right answer is that instead of crossing
the creek, you stay on the better road you were on for a little further
north, and then you come to an opening in the brush and a way to get
to the water.    A few more strategic ribbons might have expedited that.

From pctl at oakapple.net  Sat Aug 18 08:58:20 2018
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 06:58:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] looping south from Reds Meadows
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Reds Meadows is a good starting point for short backpacks for people trying
to do the PCT in small pieces.     Going north, one can take the JMT
and return on the PCT from Thousand Island Lake - they are separate trails
here.

Going south, one can take the PCT over Virginia Lake to Fish Creek, then
back along Fish Creek to Island Crossing, stopping off at Iva Bell hot
springs.     Or, instead of following the Fish Creek trail, climb up to
Squaw Lake and take the Goodale Pass trail for a short distance, then
visit Lake of the Lone Indian and Minnow Creek to the Sharktooth trail
down to Fish Creek near the hot springs.     It's the route less traveled -
aside from the hot spring, saw just one other hiker in early August.
You won't be bothered by livestock, as the route is blocked by major
logpiles in the Sharktooth Creek avalanche chute, and by a lesser pile
south of Grassy Lake.     Camping is fair at Lost Keys Lakes, which are
adequate but not quite alpine gems, shallow and grassy around the edges.

From HStroh at sjmslaw.com  Sat Aug 18 10:22:31 2018
From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 15:22:31 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Stevens Pass to White Pass SOBO
Message-ID: <8e4a1652cd374ea8ad9e2133dd34ac53@MALAWI.SJLM.local>

Just got back from a southbound hike of Stevens Pass to White Pass in Washington. No surprise, there is plenty of smoke. For me the worst was near Stevens--enough to cause irritated eyes and scratchy throat. Of course long views were all mottled in smoke, but things did get better moving south.

The heat was killing everyone. I was constantly drinking and yet still felt like I was getting dehydrated. The weather broke on 8/11 when I awoke to heavy fog and drizzle. To a person, everyone I met on trail was dancing with delight at the change in weather. We got some rain that evening while I was at Sheep Lake, and then it cleared for the remainder of my trip.

The section of trail north of Chinook that burned last year is enormous. Soutbound it starts 2-3 miles past the Urich cabin and literally takes hours to cross. I felt like it consumed most of my day to get through.  Hit it early if you can, as it is shade less for many, many miles.

I started 8/5 and was surprised to run across roughly 20 thru hikers a day. These are folks that started late March to early April--some had skipped, others went through the Sierra. Talked with one hiker who described the early season run through the Sierra as pretty miserable--wet feet and wet tent for a month, postholeing, scary water crossings, and difficult weather. They got snowed on 3 times. 

There are closures both north and south of Washington Sections I and J. Felt bad for the thrus just trying to finish and having to deal with all the reroutes, but I guess that is the new normal for the PCT.

Enjoyed my brief time in Snoqualmie. Although the Chevron gets bad press for a lack of organization I had no issues collecting my package. Of course it is early season so maybe things get more chaotic later in the year. They maintain a log at the counter that shows the hiker's name and hiker ETA. Its assigned a number. You find your name and number in the book, then go out to a big truck-trailer bin and find your package. All the boxes look alike, so having the numbers on the edge does make it easier to find your baby. Ok, you do have to find your stuff and maybe move some boxes around on your own, but hey, its free--what do you expect? Very friendly folks. There is also a food truck out front with great food and a hiker box. Try the curry. 

If you need to get down to Packwood from White Pass, the hitch is not bad (30 min). Plenty of traffic and the locals seem to know about the trail. Got a hitch from a retired military guy who spent 7 years in the infantry posted all over the world. He told me of the numerous injuries he suffered, including PTSD. I asked him, "do you ever get that stuff out of your head?" He shook his head, "nope not ever." When we got to Packwood I thanked him for the ride and for his service to our country.

One of the highlights for me was waking early at Government Meadows (Urich Cabin site) to see a heard of elk grazing in the meadow. Just me and them in the pure stillness of the morning, no sound but the dew dripping off of the trees. Later as I was heading out on the trail I startled the herd in the forest. Well they may be graceful animals, but when they take off in all that brush it sounds like an avalanche. I will never forget how that moment sounded and felt.

Another remember-it-forever moment came during the hot weather, maybe 5 miles north of Snoqualmie. It was warm, even at night, and I was laying on top of my bag with just the tent bug screen above me. There was not even a wisp of wind in the air. Absolutely nothing moved. The stillness was both unnerving and exhilarating. Close my eyes and it was like being inside of a cave or a sensory deprivation chamber; open my eyes to see brilliant stars in a soundless world. Those are the kinds of things that can't be captured on your phone or adequately described to someone who has not experienced it. You just have to be there.

Happy trails.

Herb 



From ned at mountaineducation.org  Sat Aug 18 20:29:07 2018
From: ned at mountaineducation.org (Ned Tibbits)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 21:29:07 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Stevens Pass to White Pass SOBO
In-Reply-To: <8e4a1652cd374ea8ad9e2133dd34ac53@MALAWI.SJLM.local>
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Outstanding after-action review, Herb! Good advice and memories!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2018, at 11:22, Herb Stroh <HStroh at sjmslaw.com> wrote:
> 
> Just got back from a southbound hike of Stevens Pass to White Pass in Washington. No surprise, there is plenty of smoke. For me the worst was near Stevens--enough to cause irritated eyes and scratchy throat. Of course long views were all mottled in smoke, but things did get better moving south.
> 
> The heat was killing everyone. I was constantly drinking and yet still felt like I was getting dehydrated. The weather broke on 8/11 when I awoke to heavy fog and drizzle. To a person, everyone I met on trail was dancing with delight at the change in weather. We got some rain that evening while I was at Sheep Lake, and then it cleared for the remainder of my trip.
> 
> The section of trail north of Chinook that burned last year is enormous. Soutbound it starts 2-3 miles past the Urich cabin and literally takes hours to cross. I felt like it consumed most of my day to get through.  Hit it early if you can, as it is shade less for many, many miles.
> 
> I started 8/5 and was surprised to run across roughly 20 thru hikers a day. These are folks that started late March to early April--some had skipped, others went through the Sierra. Talked with one hiker who described the early season run through the Sierra as pretty miserable--wet feet and wet tent for a month, postholeing, scary water crossings, and difficult weather. They got snowed on 3 times. 
> 
> There are closures both north and south of Washington Sections I and J. Felt bad for the thrus just trying to finish and having to deal with all the reroutes, but I guess that is the new normal for the PCT.
> 
> Enjoyed my brief time in Snoqualmie. Although the Chevron gets bad press for a lack of organization I had no issues collecting my package. Of course it is early season so maybe things get more chaotic later in the year. They maintain a log at the counter that shows the hiker's name and hiker ETA. Its assigned a number. You find your name and number in the book, then go out to a big truck-trailer bin and find your package. All the boxes look alike, so having the numbers on the edge does make it easier to find your baby. Ok, you do have to find your stuff and maybe move some boxes around on your own, but hey, its free--what do you expect? Very friendly folks. There is also a food truck out front with great food and a hiker box. Try the curry. 
> 
> If you need to get down to Packwood from White Pass, the hitch is not bad (30 min). Plenty of traffic and the locals seem to know about the trail. Got a hitch from a retired military guy who spent 7 years in the infantry posted all over the world. He told me of the numerous injuries he suffered, including PTSD. I asked him, "do you ever get that stuff out of your head?" He shook his head, "nope not ever." When we got to Packwood I thanked him for the ride and for his service to our country.
> 
> One of the highlights for me was waking early at Government Meadows (Urich Cabin site) to see a heard of elk grazing in the meadow. Just me and them in the pure stillness of the morning, no sound but the dew dripping off of the trees. Later as I was heading out on the trail I startled the herd in the forest. Well they may be graceful animals, but when they take off in all that brush it sounds like an avalanche. I will never forget how that moment sounded and felt.
> 
> Another remember-it-forever moment came during the hot weather, maybe 5 miles north of Snoqualmie. It was warm, even at night, and I was laying on top of my bag with just the tent bug screen above me. There was not even a wisp of wind in the air. Absolutely nothing moved. The stillness was both unnerving and exhilarating. Close my eyes and it was like being inside of a cave or a sensory deprivation chamber; open my eyes to see brilliant stars in a soundless world. Those are the kinds of things that can't be captured on your phone or adequately described to someone who has not experienced it. You just have to be there.
> 
> Happy trails.
> 
> Herb 
> 
> 
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From mdwvansd at gmail.com  Sat Aug 18 19:39:46 2018
From: mdwvansd at gmail.com (Michael Wade)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 17:39:46 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Stevens Pass to White Pass SOBO
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Awesome report. Loved your remember-it-forever moments. I hiked the same stretch nobo in early July. The fire you mentioned was last year?s Norse Peak fire. Not the most pleasant scenery. I was surprised to see trees destroyed by fire that only went maybe an eighth of an inch deep, if that.

Not much water either through that burn. Somewhere, I think it was the halfmile app, I read there was water at Martinson Gap. Nope. Should have carried more in that stretch.

Most of you are probably thru-hikers, but as a section hiker (who gleans what he can from here. This email list is a great source), I?ve come to think that the second half of July is the sweet spot. Every year is different, but that seems to thread the needle between snow and fires. Also, much less traffic. I saw two (SOBO) thru hikers the entire hike. 

I enjoyed the many forest groves (countless, all good), and the view of Rainer a few miles north of Chinook Pass. Took my breath away when I turned and suddenly saw it. But I was disappointed by the many views of clear cuts, logging roads and power lines. Section L, from Rainy to the border, spoiled me.

I?ve deleted this paragraph, but I?m going to put it back in. Just thinking out loud okay? Walking thru the Norse Peak burn (really destitute and ugly) and with the onset of the megafires each year, made me wonder if we should allow more logging. There?s a forest ecologist from Oregon State U. giving a Ted Talk on youtube about this, explaining controlled fires are what the Indians used to do. Before white men started their policy of always putting out forest fires, old photos show forests with trees of many different sizes, and more open meadows. Now the forests have trees that are all identical in size. He says allowing a little more logging would help cut down on fires, and money raised could be used to manage our forest better. 

Then I got to the Windy Ridge burn, (1988 I believe), with the sign on the trail explaining the fire was caused by ?.loggers!  I don?t have the answers, But walking through last year?s forest fire made me wonder: doesn?t it seem like the agencies fighting fires could do a better job? I live in Washington and the health problems in the cities go up quite a bit as the smoke blankets the state for days and even weeks at a time. I believe they are doing the best they can. The USFS budget, for example, keeps getting cut, no matter which party holds the White House.

Like I said, just thinking out loud. Slash and burn me if you will, but I?m hoping this is a more mature crowd than Facebook. Maybe this upsets some. My apologies if that is the case. Like I said, I didn?t like the views of clear cuts and logging roads either. I would appreciate intelligent responses that help me better understand this. For those who are interested, here is a link to the Ted Talk: Link

On a perhaps a friendlier note, I was setting up my hammock one evening, near the intersection of two logging roads when two elk came crashing off the PCT into the intersection. I had left my scent on the trail leading to my camp. Mama elk was running right towards my camo tarp in the trees, when she froze maybe 25 yards away. I froze too, curious if she would figure it out. She did and took off in another direction. I assumed some hikers coming my way flushed them out, and I kept setting up camp. When no one appeared, I decided to hang my food. That night, I heard footsteps a few feet from my head. Twice I heard my guy lines get hit. I think I?ll hang my food from now on.

Before night fall though, a dune buggy came flying along the road. Good example of why the Wilderness Areas are always my favorites.

My biggest takeaway, personally, is to slow down. I pushed too hard. Reading your report, it would have been great to stop earlier and camp at Ulrich Cabin. It must have been unforgettable. I spent too much time staring at the trail.

Going NOBO those last 7.5 miles to Snoqualmie, after already doing 15 that day was absolutely brutal. All downhill on loose rock, snow, mud, and sometimes even streams. Mostly loose rock, and going downhill on that really did a number on what were already sore knees. Easily the worst stretch of the PCT I have encountered so far (in Washington). 

My best part: suspended in my hammock each night, serenaded three nights in a row by bugling elk.

Those remember-it-forever, had-to-be-there moments, are why we do this. Can?t wait to go again!

Michael


On Aug 18, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Herb Stroh <HStroh at sjmslaw.com> wrote:

> Just got back from a southbound hike of Stevens Pass to White Pass in Washington. No surprise, there is plenty of smoke. For me the worst was near Stevens--enough to cause irritated eyes and scratchy throat. Of course long views were all mottled in smoke, but things did get better moving south.
> 
> The heat was killing everyone. I was constantly drinking and yet still felt like I was getting dehydrated. The weather broke on 8/11 when I awoke to heavy fog and drizzle. To a person, everyone I met on trail was dancing with delight at the change in weather. We got some rain that evening while I was at Sheep Lake, and then it cleared for the remainder of my trip.
> 
> The section of trail north of Chinook that burned last year is enormous. Soutbound it starts 2-3 miles past the Urich cabin and literally takes hours to cross. I felt like it consumed most of my day to get through.  Hit it early if you can, as it is shade less for many, many miles.
> 
> I started 8/5 and was surprised to run across roughly 20 thru hikers a day. These are folks that started late March to early April--some had skipped, others went through the Sierra. Talked with one hiker who described the early season run through the Sierra as pretty miserable--wet feet and wet tent for a month, postholeing, scary water crossings, and difficult weather. They got snowed on 3 times. 
> 
> There are closures both north and south of Washington Sections I and J. Felt bad for the thrus just trying to finish and having to deal with all the reroutes, but I guess that is the new normal for the PCT.
> 
> Enjoyed my brief time in Snoqualmie. Although the Chevron gets bad press for a lack of organization I had no issues collecting my package. Of course it is early season so maybe things get more chaotic later in the year. They maintain a log at the counter that shows the hiker's name and hiker ETA. Its assigned a number. You find your name and number in the book, then go out to a big truck-trailer bin and find your package. All the boxes look alike, so having the numbers on the edge does make it easier to find your baby. Ok, you do have to find your stuff and maybe move some boxes around on your own, but hey, its free--what do you expect? Very friendly folks. There is also a food truck out front with great food and a hiker box. Try the curry. 
> 
> If you need to get down to Packwood from White Pass, the hitch is not bad (30 min). Plenty of traffic and the locals seem to know about the trail. Got a hitch from a retired military guy who spent 7 years in the infantry posted all over the world. He told me of the numerous injuries he suffered, including PTSD. I asked him, "do you ever get that stuff out of your head?" He shook his head, "nope not ever." When we got to Packwood I thanked him for the ride and for his service to our country.
> 
> One of the highlights for me was waking early at Government Meadows (Urich Cabin site) to see a heard of elk grazing in the meadow. Just me and them in the pure stillness of the morning, no sound but the dew dripping off of the trees. Later as I was heading out on the trail I startled the herd in the forest. Well they may be graceful animals, but when they take off in all that brush it sounds like an avalanche. I will never forget how that moment sounded and felt.
> 
> Another remember-it-forever moment came during the hot weather, maybe 5 miles north of Snoqualmie. It was warm, even at night, and I was laying on top of my bag with just the tent bug screen above me. There was not even a wisp of wind in the air. Absolutely nothing moved. The stillness was both unnerving and exhilarating. Close my eyes and it was like being inside of a cave or a sensory deprivation chamber; open my eyes to see brilliant stars in a soundless world. Those are the kinds of things that can't be captured on your phone or adequately described to someone who has not experienced it. You just have to be there.
> 
> Happy trails.
> 
> Herb 
> 
> 
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From mikeflan at att.net  Sun Aug 19 12:28:30 2018
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:28:30 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Logging
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Hey, wait a minute.? That sounds like some independent
thought.? I'm sure somebody has stepped up to squash
that by now :-)

I don't know the answer, but bringing in people from
20+ states and getting all the helicopters in the area
to put out the fire ASAP, may not be the correct answer.
But the people who think they want that answer are the
squeaky wheels.


Mike


On 8/19/2018 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> I?ve deleted this paragraph, but I?m going to put it back in. Just thinking out loud okay? Walking thru the Norse Peak burn (really destitute and ugly) and with the onset of the megafires each year, made me wonder if we should allow more logging. There?s a forest ecologist from Oregon State U. giving a Ted Talk on youtube about this, explaining controlled fires are what the Indians used to do. Before white men started their policy of always putting out forest fires, old photos show forests with trees of many different sizes, and more open meadows. Now the forests have trees that are all identical in size. He says allowing a little more logging would help cut down on fires, and money raised could be used to manage our forest better.


From neil.lacey at comcast.net  Sun Aug 19 13:08:50 2018
From: neil.lacey at comcast.net (neil.lacey)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 14:08:50 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Logging
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1534702162.53966.pct-l@backcountry.net>

We'll there's such a thing as responsible logging, but that impacts profitN


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> Date: 8/19/18  1:28 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Logging 

Hey, wait a minute.? That sounds like some independent
thought.? I'm sure somebody has stepped up to squash
that by now :-)

I don't know the answer, but bringing in people from
20+ states and getting all the helicopters in the area
to put out the fire ASAP, may not be the correct answer.
But the people who think they want that answer are the
squeaky wheels.


Mike


On 8/19/2018 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> I?ve deleted this paragraph, but I?m going to put it back in. Just thinking out loud okay? Walking thru the Norse Peak burn (really destitute and ugly) and with the onset of the megafires each year, made me wonder if we should allow more logging. There?s a forest ecologist from Oregon State U. giving a Ted Talk on youtube about this, explaining controlled fires are what the Indians used to do. Before white men started their policy of always putting out forest fires, old photos show forests with trees of many different sizes, and more open meadows. Now the forests have trees that are all identical in size. He says allowing a little more logging would help cut down on fires, and money raised could be used to manage our forest better.

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From jalan04 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 15:01:44 2018
From: jalan04 at gmail.com (Will M)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:01:44 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Wenatchee to Lake Chelan
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Does anyone know if the bus from Wenatchee to Chelan runs on Sundays?

Thanks,

Will

From mkwart at gci.net  Mon Aug 20 15:13:49 2018
From: mkwart at gci.net (Mary Kwart)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:13:49 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Logging
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This is definitely not a PCT topic (although logging right next to the
trail is), but I feel I must respond to this thread. I fought forest
fires for 30 years and also cleaned up logging slash in the US Forest
Service in the Sierra and provided environmental input to over 200
timber sales. Logging trees does not in itself reduce fire hazard. The
slash that is left after trees are removed has to be cleaned up to
mitigate fire hazard. I initial attacked fires and one of the
questions we would ask before planning an attack strategy was "Where
are the old timber sale units? Not because they reduced fire behavior,
but because the leftover logging debris would exacerbate fire behavior
and make the job of fire control even harder.Thinning thick forests of
small trees is good, as long as the debris is cleaned up. I support
thinning projects that clean up the slash. Ashland, Oregon is a good
example of a town that is mitigating fire hazard by doing this. They
do thinning and prescribed burning and clean up slash. They are
working in partnership with the Feds and local government for funding
and also get money from their thinning. This is a nuanced issue
requiring educated citizen oversight and input.
--Fireweed

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From richardb10 at live.com  Mon Aug 20 15:16:23 2018
From: richardb10 at live.com (Richard Brinkman)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:16:23 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Wenatchee to Lake Chelan
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It does not, sorry.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Will M <jalan04 at gmail.com>
Date: 8/20/18 1:01 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Wenatchee to Lake Chelan

Does anyone know if the bus from Wenatchee to Chelan runs on Sundays?

Thanks,

Will
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From ewaters.cadence at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 16:21:18 2018
From: ewaters.cadence at gmail.com (Erin Waters)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 14:21:18 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Subject: Snoqualmie Pass - trail angels
Message-ID: <CAGuS_b4aAUZ-41qZPmFcGusvb3=dY6nGVxrbYB4BQ1pUKA7RMg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a contact list for possible trail angels for the
Snoqualmie Pass trailhead?  Please reply to:
ewaters.cadence at gmail.com  or text message to me (Erin) at
509.774.8474.  Thank you in advance!  I am a section hiker, not a
through and am getting further north in Washington and is logistical
re: trailheads to and from the farther I get from home.  :)  -Erin

-- 
Be True to Who You Are.

From pmb379 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 22 04:16:44 2018
From: pmb379 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Peer_B=C3=B6hm?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 11:16:44 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Alpine Lakes Wilderness, air situation?
Message-ID: <CAHYv0miCwngNZLEt-S9JcmTA3HcFBn7p4aUuCNtY374_UT10Tw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I have opportunity and had planned to do a short section hike on the
PCT in the Alpine Lake Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass
in mid-September, and now I wonder, whether this will be possible or
advisable.

Does anyone know what the air is like there? On ESRI/ARCGis I see what
looks like two really big fires somewhat to the east - Crescent
Mountain and Cougar Creek. What is the main wind direction, I wonder?
Are these far enough away?

Will I be able to see anything, or even breathe properly?

Thanks for information and advice!

Greetings,
Peer

From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 22 08:33:16 2018
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 07:33:16 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Alpine Lakes Wilderness, air situation?
In-Reply-To: <CAHYv0miCwngNZLEt-S9JcmTA3HcFBn7p4aUuCNtY374_UT10Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHYv0miCwngNZLEt-S9JcmTA3HcFBn7p4aUuCNtY374_UT10Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6d07a7bd-4088-a36c-e414-319cb3580ff7@gmail.com>

This will help.
Jeff

https://airnow.gov/state/WA/index.cfm

On 8/22/2018 3:16 AM, Peer B?hm wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have opportunity and had planned to do a short section hike on the
> PCT in the Alpine Lake Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass
> in mid-September, and now I wonder, whether this will be possible or
> advisable.
>
> Does anyone know what the air is like there? On ESRI/ARCGis I see what
> looks like two really big fires somewhat to the east - Crescent
> Mountain and Cougar Creek. What is the main wind direction, I wonder?
> Are these far enough away?
>
> Will I be able to see anything, or even breathe properly?
>
> Thanks for information and advice!
>
> Greetings,
> Peer
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From HStroh at sjmslaw.com  Wed Aug 22 08:53:27 2018
From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 13:53:27 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Alpine Lakes Wilderness, air situation?
In-Reply-To: <CAHYv0miCwngNZLEt-S9JcmTA3HcFBn7p4aUuCNtY374_UT10Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHYv0miCwngNZLEt-S9JcmTA3HcFBn7p4aUuCNtY374_UT10Tw@mail.gmail.com>
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I just came through there about 10 days ago. 

Smoke is ever-present and long views are mottled. Near Stevens the smoke was heavy enough to be an irritant to eyes and throat, but maybe it depends on which way the wind is blowing. Further south was not as bad. Felt like the whole state was smokey. Locals say some of the smoke is from fires in Canada. 

Pretty section. Watch the water report as things were starting to dry up. Mosquitoes were annoying but not maddening so by Mid Sep should not be an issue. 

Herb

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> On Aug 22, 2018, at 2:17 AM, Peer B?hm <pmb379 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have opportunity and had planned to do a short section hike on the
> PCT in the Alpine Lake Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass
> in mid-September, and now I wonder, whether this will be possible or
> advisable.
> 
> Does anyone know what the air is like there? On ESRI/ARCGis I see what
> looks like two really big fires somewhat to the east - Crescent
> Mountain and Cougar Creek. What is the main wind direction, I wonder?
> Are these far enough away?
> 
> Will I be able to see anything, or even breathe properly?
> 
> Thanks for information and advice!
> 
> Greetings,
> Peer
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From katyshaw at gmail.com  Wed Aug 22 08:57:59 2018
From: katyshaw at gmail.com (Katy Shaw)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 06:57:59 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Alpine Lakes Wilderness, air situation?
In-Reply-To: <6d07a7bd-4088-a36c-e414-319cb3580ff7@gmail.com>
References: <CAHYv0miCwngNZLEt-S9JcmTA3HcFBn7p4aUuCNtY374_UT10Tw@mail.gmail.com>
 <6d07a7bd-4088-a36c-e414-319cb3580ff7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65A59D67-5752-47B9-AEA8-3E3E43432A28@gmail.com>

Hi Peer, 

I just finished hiking Section J, nobo.  I started on Tuesday August 14 and ended on Sunday August 19.  The air quality was poor the entire time, although it got worse as I neared Stevens Pass.  In the beginning I could see the nearest mountains and scenery as I hiked, although they were hazy - but not much farther.  By the end I couldn?t even see that far and I could feel the smoke in my lungs.

I live in Seattle and found that the air quality had worsened here too while I had hiked.  It?s worse here than I?ve ever seen it before.  Ash is covering my car, outdoor sports are being cancelled, and my colleagues are suffering from asthma and headaches.  I have a cough and a headache.

However this could all change completely by September. We?ll have to watch the weather and see what happens.

A good source of recent information on hiking conditions in Washington State is the Washington Trails Association web site.  The WTA has an entry for section J, and hikers can leave trip reports on recent conditions.  I filed one if you?re interested in reading more.   Here?s the link:  https://www.wta.org/go-hiking/hikes/pacific-crest-trail-section-j-snoqualmie-pass-to-stevens-pass-east

FYI I?ll also be writing some blog posts over the next week that have more details on my recent hike if you?re interested.  The link is https://aramblingunicorn.com/

Happy trails.
-Unicorn 
PCT Class of 2017

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This will help.
> Jeff
> 
> https://airnow.gov/state/WA/index.cfm
> 
>> On 8/22/2018 3:16 AM, Peer B?hm wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have opportunity and had planned to do a short section hike on the
>> PCT in the Alpine Lake Wilderness from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass
>> in mid-September, and now I wonder, whether this will be possible or
>> advisable.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what the air is like there? On ESRI/ARCGis I see what
>> looks like two really big fires somewhat to the east - Crescent
>> Mountain and Cougar Creek. What is the main wind direction, I wonder?
>> Are these far enough away?
>> 
>> Will I be able to see anything, or even breathe properly?
>> 
>> Thanks for information and advice!
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> Peer
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From tokencivilian at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 22 10:38:55 2018
From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com (Barry Teschlog)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:38:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Alpine Lakes Wilderness, air situation
References: <739239123.2174957.1534952335943.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <739239123.2174957.1534952335943@mail.yahoo.com>

Mid September is a long way's off.
The entire state could be on fire then....or we could have had a week of rain and the fires will be out with crystal clear skies.....or socked in clouds and fog..
The forecast for the upcoming weekend is that we'll get some showers up in the mountains Saturday and Sunday.? I suspect that'll clear out quite a bit of the smoke and at least knock down the fires here (but not be enough to put them out).
So, my advice is that you should keep your options open until the last minute.

From pctl at oakapple.net  Wed Aug 22 19:29:37 2018
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:29:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Whisky Creek - getting ALL the data in advance
Message-ID: <201808230029.w7N0Tbau012055@server-f.oakapple.net>


I recently cleaned up a TRT section I'd missed and redid part of the PCT
after many years.     Both TRT and PCT were pretty much immaculate, as
one might expect in late August.     The Granite Chief Trail back to
Squaw, not so much.    I'll be glad never to go down that trail again.

The route was Tahoe City to Ward Creek (camp) to Twin Peaks on the TRT,
then Twin Peaks to Whisky Creek (camp) on the PCT, then continuing
to the Granite Chief Trail.    It was a luxury to be able to call a 
cab, Anytime Taxi, to get from Squaw to Tahoe City to start.    In contrast,
I was never been able to get the taxi in Mammoth to respond when I tried
a few years ago.

The campsites at the Ward Creek bridge was OK, a minor exertion to get down
to the water from the south side of the bridge.   Leaving, I noticed 
another campsite a little further south that was better situated and might have
had easier water access.

Whisky Creek was an interesting exercise.    I had the clues but failed to
connect the dots.   I thought perhaps I would have been better clued in if
I had read Yogi or the PCT Water Report, but when I got home I found neither
mentioned it.

Halfmile says:

 1137.5 Trailside creek WA 1137
 1137.6 Campsite CS 1138
 1137.9 Campsite CS 1138B

He does not say WACS anywhere.

Schaffer says:

 you soon start a 1/2 mile traverse across steep, brushy slopes, which
 ends just before your trail reaches the floor of a hanging valley.
 Here you can walk a few paces over to Whiskey Creek and get water before
 the creek plunges over the valley's brink.   Anywhere over the next 1/3
 mile you can leave the PCT and make a camp near this creek, which usually
 flows through midsummer.

Schaffer's text and map correct the topo's spelling Whisky which Halfmile
leaves unaltered.

I hadn't read Schaffer in advance - I usually read it after dinner and
breakfast for background - if I had, I might not have planned on Whisky
Creek or Whiskey Creek in late August, which is past midsummer as far as
I am concerned.     All the rustling dry Mule's Ears sounded more like
early fall.

The upshot is:

At around 1137.7, the trail actually comes close to Whisky Creek, but
not at a campsite.    There is no brush impeding you, but there is a 5'
vertical dirt cliff between you and the water.

There are three other places where I noticed smashed-grass routes to the
water, at each of the places mentioned by Halfmile.    The one at 1137.5
led, in more than a few paces, to two choices, one down a 5' smooth rock
and the other through comparable dense brush.    The one at 1137.6 led
to a dry channel - here Whisky Creek was underground perhaps.
The one at 1137.9 led to a lesser descent through more pliable brush,
to water flowing OK but looking to be tending toward funky.    I treated it
with no ill effect yet.

No particular moral here - through hikers would have dealt with much worse
by the time they got here, and it was just an annoyance to elderly section
hikers.     But southbound through hikers should not rely on Whisky/Whiskey
Creek.   Fortunately Five Lakes Creek is not much further and might last
longer.    In the other direction, Squaw Creek and Middle Fork American River
were still running, but like Five Lakes Creek and unlike Whisky, they arise
beneath the ski areas and definitely warrant treatment.

On that note, I recently switched from using an MSR pump and elemental
iodine solution to a USB-rechargeable Steri Pen with their Fitsall prefilter.
The prefilter is for keeping visible floaties out.   I found I needed 
a cup to fill it from shallow water.    It claims to fit all common
containers one way or another, but I found that the funnel was a bit too
wide to fit into the mouth of a Sawyer Squeeze bag.    On the first 
couple of trips, I found that, as advertised, it snapped onto the top
of a Gatorade bottle, very handy with flowing or deeper streams and avoiding
the need for a dipping cup.    But on this third outing, it no longer
snapped onto a Gatorade bottle.    I don't know if running it through
the dishwasher caused the filter to shrink, or Gatorade subtly changed the
size of its opening.     It's what we'd call an undocumented, unsupported
interface in my line of work.

http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/resources.html


From pmb379 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 04:31:33 2018
From: pmb379 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Peer_B=C3=B6hm?=)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:31:33 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 114, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1534957200.41302.pct-l@backcountry.net>
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Message-ID: <CAHYv0miN4NSgFbxQr=LqcE-Dp-Sn1GkiwS5VumuekUZFNV3uXw@mail.gmail.com>

>    2. Alpine Lakes Wilderness, air situation? (Peer B?hm)

Thank you for hints, tips and links. I will consider them, much appreciated.

I feel sorry to hear of all that destruction and damage to that many
areas. What a pity.

Respect to those who work to contain it.

From rgraybill44 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 03:07:04 2018
From: rgraybill44 at gmail.com (Ron Graybill)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:07:04 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Two possible hikes, 566-602 or 190-179
Message-ID: <CAEnMNWUWfXr-kGr+FyCkvQ_FwSFW0ejTFwG9or=KsqVkhrV-4g@mail.gmail.com>

Still whittling away at the PCT, interested in possible hiking partner to
hike one or both of these sections in mid to late September, weather
permitting:

1. One day, 13 miles, southbound from Fuller Ridge (190.5) to Devil's Slide
Trail at 179.4, and thence down the 2.6 miles on Devil's Slide Trail to
Humber Park in Idylwild. (Provided Cranston Fire did not close Devil's
Slide Trail).

2. Three days, 36 miles (dry--unless Golden Oak Spring is still running)
northbound from Highway 58 west of Mojave, CA, (566) to Jawbone Canyon Road
at Mile 602.

If interested, I'll discuss logistics with you.

Ron "Slow Charger" Graybill
Ontario, CA