From jdrewsmith at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 11:05:55 2017
From: jdrewsmith at gmail.com (Drew Smith)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 16:05:55 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Gathering
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Getting ready to SOBO the AZT, don't really hive time for a trip up to
Keystone. Besides, I was there last week taking a friend on his first CT
section hike. Hiking is way better than talking about hiking.
Happy Hour

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 7:24 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Well everyone who isn't here at the first ever Colorado ALDHAWEST
> Gathering is missing a wonderful event.  Listening to a beautiful cello and
> guitar concert.  Tomorrow we will give out 20 more Triple Crowns. Many
> tears will be shed. Lots of laughing. That's why I go every year
> Marmot
>
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  1 11:11:28 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 16:11:28 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Gathering
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I was wrong about the number of Triple Crowns announced at the Gathering. There were 32. That's a huge difference from the early days when one or two people got a TC each year. 
Next year in Oregon!!! 
Marmot

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From pambryant58 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 22:43:52 2017
From: pambryant58 at gmail.com (Pamela Bryant)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 20:43:52 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Feet
Message-ID: <CAE5HO4W4gw5QhS_7A_UF6gHUTPwarNfEUhYF18P-rwb=uW4fGw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi to all hikers,

I would love to hear your stories especially since we had a lot of snow and
stream crossings in the Sierras in 2017.

Question: How did your feet feel being wet all day and for an undetermined
length of time? And also hiking in snow and rain? And after your hike ended
how did you care for your feet?

When I hiked Northern WA, it rained for 6 days in a row 2016 summer. After
ending up at the Northern Terminus my whole body became itchy, very itchy.
It kept me up for many night for at least 2 weeks. I soaked them in Epsom
Salt baths.

My feet became swollen, with red blotches, and was very itchy, and of
course constant peeling. And it lasted for a couple of weeks. I used so
many different types of lotions, trying to keep my feet moist throughout
the day and to control the itching.

My hiking partner had *absolutely* no problems with her feet. Amazing.

Thank you in advance! Pam

From baidarker at gmail.com  Tue Oct  3 16:05:24 2017
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 21:05:24 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Gathering
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Thirty two were there who had actually finished their Triple by the
deadline. I believe the total who filed papers in time for us to have
plaques made was 45!  But there were 8 more than that who finished after
the deadline. We honored them all, however, at the Gathering, and at least
had Triple Crowns and Triple Crown hats for the late finishers. So the
total was 40 Triple Crowns awarded at the Gathering!  Notable were Yogi for
the first woman Double Triple, Legend who did a calendar year Triple (swam
the Kennebek in March on the AT!) and Buddy Backpacker at age 9 with his
Dad. But everyone was incredible!  And it was a wonderful event from start
to finish!

Next year in OR not far from Timberline!!!  Don't miss it!

Shroomer

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:49 PM marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I was wrong about the number of Triple Crowns announced at the Gathering.
> There were 32. That's a huge difference from the early days when one or two
> people got a TC each year.
> Next year in Oregon!!!
> Marmot
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jeff.harg at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 10:23:53 2017
From: jeff.harg at gmail.com (Jeff Hargreaves)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 08:23:53 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Ride From Sierra City To Donner Summit Fri 10/6
Message-ID: <009201d33d24$c9e60b90$5db222b0$@gmail.com>

After 840 miles this summer my wife and I are 180 miles shy of the
bittersweet completion of the PCT. We are hoping to knock off 38 of those
miles this weekend hiking the section between Donner Summit and Sierra City.
I'm hoping to stage a car at the trailhead near Sierra City and reaching out
to this group for transportation suggestions. We will have a third hiker
with us.

Thanks for your ideas.

Slow and Steady

Jeff Hargreaves

Meg Levine  


From jharg at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  4 12:55:12 2017
From: jharg at sbcglobal.net (Jeff Hargreaves)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:55:12 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Ride From Sierra City To Donner Summit Fri 10/6
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Not sure this went through, resending.

 

After 840 miles this summer my wife and I are 180 miles shy of the
bittersweet completion of the PCT. We are hoping to knock off 38 of those
miles this weekend hiking the section between Donner Summit and Sierra City.
I'm hoping to stage a car at the trailhead near Sierra City and reaching out
to this group for transportation suggestions. We will have a third hiker
with us.

Thanks for your ideas.

Slow and Steady

Jeff Hargreaves

Meg Levine  


From doug.swam at outlook.com  Tue Oct  3 16:27:03 2017
From: doug.swam at outlook.com (Doug Swam)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 21:27:03 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Feet
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google: skurka wet feet

answer: https://andrewskurka.com/2012/minimizing-the-effects-and-aftermath-of-wet-feet/


[https://andrewskurka.korndev-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/chris-alaska-range-ford-615x462.jpg]<https://andrewskurka.com/2012/minimizing-the-effects-and-aftermath-of-wet-feet/>

Minimizing the effects and aftermath of wet feet - Andrew ...<https://andrewskurka.com/2012/minimizing-the-effects-and-aftermath-of-wet-feet/>
andrewskurka.com
?These are waterproof, right?? asked the customer to the Campmor sales clerk, as he walked around the footwear area testing out a pair of backpacking boots. Out ...




________________________________
From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of Pamela Bryant <pambryant58 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 8:43 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Feet

Hi to all hikers,

I would love to hear your stories especially since we had a lot of snow and
stream crossings in the Sierras in 2017.

Question: How did your feet feel being wet all day and for an undetermined
length of time? And also hiking in snow and rain? And after your hike ended
how did you care for your feet?

When I hiked Northern WA, it rained for 6 days in a row 2016 summer. After
ending up at the Northern Terminus my whole body became itchy, very itchy.
It kept me up for many night for at least 2 weeks. I soaked them in Epsom
Salt baths.

My feet became swollen, with red blotches, and was very itchy, and of
course constant peeling. And it lasted for a couple of weeks. I used so
many different types of lotions, trying to keep my feet moist throughout
the day and to control the itching.

My hiking partner had *absolutely* no problems with her feet. Amazing.

Thank you in advance! Pam
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From baidarker at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 17:41:33 2017
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 15:41:33 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Feet
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Hey Pam,

I had something similar in 2010.  We'd been wet and very cold all through
the High Sierra that year with no ill effects and it even seemed to numb
out the pain of sore feet and a bit of planters fasciitis I was
experiencing at that point.    The constant soaking and walking through
snow kept the swelling down and soothed the PF.

When we got to the Northern Sierra things finally warmed up, but we
remained very wet due to residual snow and lots of melt off streams.
That's when fungus started to breed.  We made it to Sierra City and I got
in the shower at the Red Moose and looked down to see feet that looked like
a couple of lobsters!  Scared the crap out of me. Jungle rot!  I hadn't
seen that since my time oversees as a soldier many long years ago.  It was
so bad, swollen, itchy and lobsteresque, that I thought I'd have to leave
trail.  I always carry an anti fungal cream and slathered it on that night,
and by morning they had gone from red to pink and were totally healed
within 3 days of its use.

Each day thereafter, another member of my party came down with it.  I
treated them all initially but everyone went out and bought anti fungal
cream themselves.  I may have been the carrier as we all shared that same
shower, but most importantly, we were all sharing the same hiking
conditions.

I've treated folks with the same issue on the CDT, AT and Camino in Spain.
I've never seen a case that didn't clear up with the use of the cream and
all came about from the same conditions, i.e. wet, hot and hard working
feet.

I'm not doctor, but this is one thing I've been able to cure on trail for
lots of folks over the years.

Good Luck!

Shroomer

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Pamela Bryant <pambryant58 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi to all hikers,
>
> I would love to hear your stories especially since we had a lot of snow and
> stream crossings in the Sierras in 2017.
>
> Question: How did your feet feel being wet all day and for an undetermined
> length of time? And also hiking in snow and rain? And after your hike ended
> how did you care for your feet?
>
> When I hiked Northern WA, it rained for 6 days in a row 2016 summer. After
> ending up at the Northern Terminus my whole body became itchy, very itchy.
> It kept me up for many night for at least 2 weeks. I soaked them in Epsom
> Salt baths.
>
> My feet became swollen, with red blotches, and was very itchy, and of
> course constant peeling. And it lasted for a couple of weeks. I used so
> many different types of lotions, trying to keep my feet moist throughout
> the day and to control the itching.
>
> My hiking partner had *absolutely* no problems with her feet. Amazing.
>
> Thank you in advance! Pam
> _______________________________________________
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From dzallis at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 19:17:19 2017
From: dzallis at gmail.com (David Zallis)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 19:17:19 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
Message-ID: <CAEVf+4YHr_c7_-7iF748A5UGZY1s+6AS11UEh-CNvXRruWUt2A@mail.gmail.com>

I am a little confused. Is this a board for questions or do we just get
emailed information on the trail. I am looking for a place that I can
converse with others doing the trail in 2018. Please let me know if this is
a good place for that or if you can recommend a good place for discussion
other than Facebook.

My Best,
    David Zallis

From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 11 08:32:43 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:32:43 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
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It's for asking questions.  All of us who have done long trails will give our opinions about solutions. You try them on to see if they fit
Have a wonderful hike
Marmot

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2017, at 11:51 PM, David Zallis <dzallis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am a little confused. Is this a board for questions or do we just get
> emailed information on the trail. I am looking for a place that I can
> converse with others doing the trail in 2018. Please let me know if this is
> a good place for that or if you can recommend a good place for discussion
> other than Facebook.
> 
> My Best,
>    David Zallis
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From sbryce at scottbryce.com  Wed Oct 11 09:07:41 2017
From: sbryce at scottbryce.com (Scott Bryce)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:07:41 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
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On 10/10/2017 6:17 PM, David Zallis wrote:
> I am a little confused. Is this a board for questions or do we just
> get emailed information on the trail. I am looking for a place that I
> can converse with others doing the trail in 2018.

This is a good place for that. There is probably also a PCT 2018
Facebook page.

From dzallis at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 09:28:49 2017
From: dzallis at gmail.com (David Zallis)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:28:49 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
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 <e7a6ae13-f218-45ff-5ca9-bc11be724b4f@scottbryce.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVf+4ZdEW=AwGdPufCBvKgAG3ESXLZbHm7j38S7cMQeq2Qpcw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys! Good to know. Happy to be a part of this!


On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com> wrote:

> On 10/10/2017 6:17 PM, David Zallis wrote:
>
>> I am a little confused. Is this a board for questions or do we just
>> get emailed information on the trail. I am looking for a place that I
>> can converse with others doing the trail in 2018.
>>
>
> This is a good place for that. There is probably also a PCT 2018
> Facebook page.
>
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From rgraybill44 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 10:21:09 2017
From: rgraybill44 at gmail.com (Ron Graybill)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:21:09 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
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Does someone "own" the list and get to declare exactly what it's for? Seems
like it has been, over the years, more than just a place were beginnings
can ask questions of "all of us who have done long trails." Use to be
humorous stories, insights, and reflections.  And even some comments from
occasional section hikers.  Ought to be a place for constructive criticism
and complaints, too.  What else?

Ron Graybill
3290 E Yountville Dr., Unit 13
Ontario, CA  91761
909-910-9339

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:28 AM, David Zallis <dzallis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks guys! Good to know. Happy to be a part of this!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 10/10/2017 6:17 PM, David Zallis wrote:
> >
> >> I am a little confused. Is this a board for questions or do we just
> >> get emailed information on the trail. I am looking for a place that I
> >> can converse with others doing the trail in 2018.
> >>
> >
> > This is a good place for that. There is probably also a PCT 2018
> > Facebook page.
> >
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From TBrokaw at montmush.com  Wed Oct 11 11:57:49 2017
From: TBrokaw at montmush.com (TBrokaw at montmush.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:57:49 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
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Hi PCT family, I just hiked the section from Burney to Castella. Did not
see one hiker in 5 days! Fall colors were incredible & water still
plentiful. I find section hiking allows me to avoid the crowds & also
optimal weather. Section hiking could spread out the traffic reducing the
impact on the trail & reduce the need for quotas. Im making more friends
because Im not just hiking with the same bunch every week. Something to
consider as the trail continues to grow more popular (& crowded). Happy
hiking all.
Tom "Barista/Horchata"

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 7:08 AM, Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/10/2017 6:17 PM, David Zallis wrote:
>> I am a little confused. Is this a board for questions or do we just
>> get emailed information on the trail. I am looking for a place that I
>> can converse with others doing the trail in 2018.
>
> This is a good place for that. There is probably also a PCT 2018
> Facebook page.
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From JimLBanks at verizon.net  Wed Oct 11 12:40:09 2017
From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (Jim Banks)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:40:09 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
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David, the list serve (is that what people still call it?) is not as active
as it was in the past as the technology moves away from email to the web and
places like Facebook.  However, at least in my opinion, you will get much
better information on this list serve than on Facebook.  The people on the
list serve tend to be more experienced hikers and mostly older than the
Facebook crowd.   That is not to say that you shouldn't use Facebook (each
year there is a Facebook page for that years' hikers, but anyone can join).
Because so many more hikers use Facebook during the "hiking season," there
will be a lot more information on Facebook especially about current trail
conditions.  

This list serve is what we make of it.  The more people post questions and
information, the better.  So ask as many questions as you like, if it is
even remotely trail related, someone will have some information for you.

I-Beam

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:17 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Confused

I am a little confused. Is this a board for questions or do we just get
emailed information on the trail. I am looking for a place that I can
converse with others doing the trail in 2018. Please let me know if this is
a good place for that or if you can recommend a good place for discussion
other than Facebook.

My Best,
    David Zallis
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From troopharrison at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 13:59:48 2017
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:59:48 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
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I enjoy this list more than the Facebook groups because of the general level of courtesy and complete absence of drama :)

There used to be a lot more chatter, agreed. I like to read the archives when I'm missing trail talk! I think more new people would use this as a resource if they knew it existed. We should say something on the class of 2018 site. 

Zog took me out on the trail from Campo to Warner Springs in May and taught me a ton. I don't have very many questions anymore as a result, but I love hearing from you guys. 

Is anyone interested in discussing other trails? I'm looking at a few and have plenty of questions about those. 

GoGo


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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Jim Banks <JimLBanks at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> David, the list serve (is that what people still call it?) is not as active
> as it was in the past as the technology moves away from email to the web and
> places like Facebook.  However, at least in my opinion, you will get much
> better information on this list serve than on Facebook.  The people on the
> list serve tend to be more experienced hikers and mostly older than the
> Facebook crowd.   That is not to say that you shouldn't use Facebook (each
> year there is a Facebook page for that years' hikers, but anyone can join).
> Because so many more hikers use Facebook during the "hiking season," there
> will be a lot more information on Facebook especially about current trail
> conditions.  
> 
> This list serve is what we make of it.  The more people post questions and
> information, the better.  So ask as many questions as you like, if it is
> even remotely trail related, someone will have some information for you.
> 
> I-Beam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of David Zallis
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:17 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Confused
> 
> I am a little confused. Is this a board for questions or do we just get
> emailed information on the trail. I am looking for a place that I can
> converse with others doing the trail in 2018. Please let me know if this is
> a good place for that or if you can recommend a good place for discussion
> other than Facebook.
> 
> My Best,
>    David Zallis
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From mgypsy97 at aol.com  Wed Oct 11 14:21:42 2017
From: mgypsy97 at aol.com (mgypsy97 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:21:42 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
In-Reply-To: <BD797A03-49F2-4877-848D-F89E4081AAC0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15f0ce2a9f4-c11-39e42@webjas-vac018.srv.aolmail.net>

I can't hike anymore, but I can still dream.  I'd love to hear about other trails (although I'd be more interested in those in North America.

Gypsy 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sabrina Harrison <troopharrison at gmail.com>
To: Jim Banks <JimLBanks at verizon.net>
Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Wed, Oct 11, 2017 11:59 am
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Confused

I enjoy this list more than the Facebook groups because of the general level of courtesy and complete absence of drama :)

There used to be a lot more chatter, agreed. I like to read the archives when I'm missing trail talk! I think more new people would use this as a resource if they knew it existed. We should say something on the class of 2018 site. 

Zog took me out on the trail from Campo to Warner Springs in May and taught me a ton. I don't have very many questions anymore as a result, but I love hearing from you guys. 

Is anyone interested in discussing other trails? I'm looking at a few and have plenty of questions about those. 

GoGo


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Jim Banks <JimLBanks at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> David, the list serve (is that what people still call it?) is not as active
> as it was in the past as the technology moves away from email to the web and
> places like Facebook.  However, at least in my opinion, you will get much
> better information on this list serve than on Facebook.  The people on the
> list serve tend to be more experienced hikers and mostly older than the
> Facebook crowd.   That is not to say that you shouldn't use Facebook (each
> year there is a Facebook page for that years' hikers, but anyone can join).
> Because so many more hikers use Facebook during the "hiking season," there
> will be a lot more information on Facebook especially about current trail
> conditions.  
> 
> This list serve is what we make of it.  The more people post questions and
> information, the better.  So ask as many questions as you like, if it is
> even remotely trail related, someone will have some information for you.
> 
> I-Beam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of David Zallis
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:17 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Confused
> 
> I am a little confused. Is this a board for questions or do we just get
> emailed information on the trail. I am looking for a place that I can
> converse with others doing the trail in 2018. Please let me know if this is
> a good place for that or if you can recommend a good place for discussion
> other than Facebook.
> 
> My Best,
>    David Zallis
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From dzallis at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 18:20:25 2017
From: dzallis at gmail.com (David Zallis)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:20:25 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Class of 2018
Message-ID: <CAEVf+4bR4BNZYi9M-KD1EZTy=YqrvTrK1HGVKenTYXeMLw2KdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Are there people on here that will be thru hiking in 2018? One other
question, I am not familiar with how to use the listserv...Is there a
homepage? are there discussion boards. All I am getting right now is
responses (which is awesome and appreciated!!!) But, how will I know if
someone else has pasted a thought or question?

-David

From JimLBanks at verizon.net  Wed Oct 11 18:30:05 2017
From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (Jim Banks)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:30:05 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Class of 2018
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David, there are no discussion boards and no home page.  It is an old
fashioned email list serve.  You send in an email and your email is then
sent out to all the people that are signed up to receive them.  I am not
sure how many people there are (maybe Brick, the moderator can chime in).
People will get your email and respond the same way, the response goes to
pct-l and then is sent out to everyone.  Also you can go to the archives and
see all the email posts that have been made.

I-Beam


-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of David Zallis
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:20 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Class of 2018

Are there people on here that will be thru hiking in 2018? One other
question, I am not familiar with how to use the listserv...Is there a
homepage? are there discussion boards. All I am getting right now is
responses (which is awesome and appreciated!!!) But, how will I know if
someone else has pasted a thought or question?

-David
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From timpnye at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 19:14:21 2017
From: timpnye at gmail.com (timpnye)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:14:21 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Class of 2018
Message-ID: <59deb3e3.4f11620a.a889f.012e@mx.google.com>


This was a robust, and entertaining, source for the trail. Now, it is distilled down to those who are skilled and experienced hikers with a lot of PCT trail experience. Much, if not most, involved a time when the trail was not dominated by electronics and fat fewer were walking the tread. A less party experience, although that has always been a component of the trail.
The knowledge here varies up to the profound. The challenge is in recognizing the value of the replies you receive. A list serve shakedown as it were.
null

From troopharrison at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 19:55:05 2017
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:55:05 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Class of 2018
In-Reply-To: <CAEVf+4bR4BNZYi9M-KD1EZTy=YqrvTrK1HGVKenTYXeMLw2KdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVf+4bR4BNZYi9M-KD1EZTy=YqrvTrK1HGVKenTYXeMLw2KdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <959F457A-241B-43F0-BF2F-F0B0798CC133@gmail.com>

I would imagine there are some people on here that will be thru hiking next year. I know of one for sure that has that intention! God willing, I will be taking on another section in May. Hope to see you out there!

You'll get copied on any email traffic. Although sometimes, the emails go to my junk folder so you might check from time to time if you haven't heard anything.

When I was in my major planning stage, I enjoyed going through the archives. I learned a lot by following the discussions, even though they occurred months or even years ago. If you go all the way to the bottom of any pct-l email you'll see a link for the archives!

GoGo



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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:20 PM, David Zallis <dzallis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Are there people on here that will be thru hiking in 2018? One other
> question, I am not familiar with how to use the listserv...Is there a
> homepage? are there discussion boards. All I am getting right now is
> responses (which is awesome and appreciated!!!) But, how will I know if
> someone else has pasted a thought or question?
> 
> -David
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From scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 16:08:39 2017
From: scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com (Scott Diamond)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:08:39 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
In-Reply-To: <CAEVf+4YHr_c7_-7iF748A5UGZY1s+6AS11UEh-CNvXRruWUt2A@mail.gmail.com>
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The traffic on this list varies. Sometimes we go weeks without a post.  In
addition to Facebook there are a few other sources:


   - Reddit Pacific Crest Trail
   <https://www.reddit.com/r/PacificCrestTrail/> group - not a lot of
   traffic but more than this list.
   - Postholer PCT forum <https://www.postholer.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2>
   - About the same or fewer posts than this list
   - Whiteblaze PCT forum
   <https://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/forumdisplay.php/416-Pacific-Crest-Trail>
   - fewer posts

I think this is what lies in our future. That is, there is more information
available but it is not all at one source. I'm often conflicted if I should
post to FB, or Reddit or a forum. Overall I think Reddit is "winning".

I try and follow this list and Reddit but don't really have time to look at
the forums.

   -Rover



On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 5:17 PM, David Zallis <dzallis at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am a little confused. Is this a board for questions or do we just get
> emailed information on the trail. I am looking for a place that I can
> converse with others doing the trail in 2018. Please let me know if this is
> a good place for that or if you can recommend a good place for discussion
> other than Facebook.
>
> My Best,
>     David Zallis
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>

From troopharrison at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 19:37:10 2017
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:37:10 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Class of 2018
In-Reply-To: <59deb3e3.4f11620a.a889f.012e@mx.google.com>
References: <59deb3e3.4f11620a.a889f.012e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C1B9D186-67CC-4A04-AA96-41CDE75F0117@gmail.com>

Haha Null :D 
Love it. 

I've received a ton of awesome info here. One of the main reasons my first section went really well!! You guys are awesome. 

Anyone know what's up with Switchback and JMT Reinhold?? Speak up boys!



Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 7:14 PM, timpnye <timpnye at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> This was a robust, and entertaining, source for the trail. Now, it is distilled down to those who are skilled and experienced hikers with a lot of PCT trail experience. Much, if not most, involved a time when the trail was not dominated by electronics and fat fewer were walking the tread. A less party experience, although that has always been a component of the trail.
> The knowledge here varies up to the profound. The challenge is in recognizing the value of the replies you receive. A list serve shakedown as it were.
> null
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 12 12:06:14 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:06:14 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
Message-ID: <BY2PR20MB02461616CA4790B156E3BAC1C84B0@BY2PR20MB0246.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

It's time to start talking again about campfires. 
Uninformed PCT hikers and those with antiquated ideas about backpacking have been making fires along the PCT. Just because you have been issued a Calif fire permit does not mean you can build a fire. It simply means you can have a backpacking stove. Except at yellow post sites and established fire rings in  campgrounds no fires are allowed in all of Calif   Even in those places unless conditions are correct you cannot make a campfire. That means 10 ft in diameter cleared area,no wind,no over head branches a shovel. etc etc. etc
Unless you are under threat of hyperthermia a fire is inappropriate. I know that it makes some people feel safe and cosy. No comment about the so called need for Somemores. No one who builds a campfire thinks that theirs will cause a wildfire. I have put out so many campfires that others have thought were out. I've had to drag big logs into rivers more than once to put out a fires that were burning so deeply in the heart of the wood. That was after pouring liters of water on the embers.  I'm sure the hikers who walked away from these campfires ,thought they were out. 
Yes,Mosquitoes are difficult. That does not give you permission to have a campfire. 
Just as we now carry out our TP. Part of leave no trace is to stop making nightly campfires. That includes the Sierra. Please read the websites. 
None of us would leave trash out there. If we start talking about this now the word will be out among the 2018 hikers. This is the next step in caring for our forests. 
Marmot

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From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 12:21:54 2017
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:21:54 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR20MB02461616CA4790B156E3BAC1C84B0@BY2PR20MB0246.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY2PR20MB02461616CA4790B156E3BAC1C84B0@BY2PR20MB0246.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2d3c431b-8b17-6ca1-2836-c8b8929764e7@gmail.com>

Last year or the year before I made a similar comment on the PCT 
facebook page.? I was even in tone and appealed to a sense of being part 
of something larger - the wilderness and the experience it gives us.

I was surprised at the negativity and vitriol the post received. For 
some reason it's part of the ethos of "being in the woods" to have a 
fire.? Maybe it's like the effort to get rid of cigarette smoking 
indoors - it'll take a generation for norms to change...

Jeff
Laramie, WY

On 10/12/2017 11:06 AM, marmot marmot wrote:
> It's time to start talking again about campfires.
> Uninformed PCT hikers and those with antiquated ideas about backpacking have been making fires along the PCT. Just because you have been issued a Calif fire permit does not mean you can build a fire. It simply means you can have a backpacking stove. Except at yellow post sites and established fire rings in  campgrounds no fires are allowed in all of Calif   Even in those places unless conditions are correct you cannot make a campfire. That means 10 ft in diameter cleared area,no wind,no over head branches a shovel. etc etc. etc
> Unless you are under threat of hyperthermia a fire is inappropriate. I know that it makes some people feel safe and cosy. No comment about the so called need for Somemores. No one who builds a campfire thinks that theirs will cause a wildfire. I have put out so many campfires that others have thought were out. I've had to drag big logs into rivers more than once to put out a fires that were burning so deeply in the heart of the wood. That was after pouring liters of water on the embers.  I'm sure the hikers who walked away from these campfires ,thought they were out.
> Yes,Mosquitoes are difficult. That does not give you permission to have a campfire.
> Just as we now carry out our TP. Part of leave no trace is to stop making nightly campfires. That includes the Sierra. Please read the websites.
> None of us would leave trash out there. If we start talking about this now the word will be out among the 2018 hikers. This is the next step in caring for our forests.
> Marmot
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From ambery-80243 at mypacks.net  Thu Oct 12 12:52:27 2017
From: ambery-80243 at mypacks.net (ambery-80243 at mypacks.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:52:27 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
Message-ID: <14054281.94934.1507830748199@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


I couldn't agree more about how unnecessary campfires are in the backcountry.  I work for the Forest Service, and it is amazing to me the amount of backlash we get from hikers when there is a fire ban in place.  I personally don't get the need for one when it's ninety degrees out, or the lack of understanding about the fire risks during severely dry summers.  I too, have put out so many supposedly "out" fires, and dismantled way too many fire rings in places that a fire should never be built.
The other issue is the incredible number of user paths in popular areas that are created by hikers foraging around for the wood they need.  It really is time to shift to the idea that it is an unacceptable practice when backpacking.    

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 12, 2017 10:21 AM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Campfires
>
>Last year or the year before I made a similar comment on the PCT 
>facebook page.? I was even in tone and appealed to a sense of being part 
>of something larger - the wilderness and the experience it gives us.
>
>I was surprised at the negativity and vitriol the post received. For 
>some reason it's part of the ethos of "being in the woods" to have a 
>fire.? Maybe it's like the effort to get rid of cigarette smoking 
>indoors - it'll take a generation for norms to change...
>
>Jeff
>Laramie, WY
>
>On 10/12/2017 11:06 AM, marmot marmot wrote:
>> It's time to start talking again about campfires.
>> Uninformed PCT hikers and those with antiquated ideas about backpacking have been making fires along the PCT. Just because you have been issued a Calif fire permit does not mean you can build a fire. It simply means you can have a backpacking stove. Except at yellow post sites and established fire rings in  campgrounds no fires are allowed in all of Calif   Even in those places unless conditions are correct you cannot make a campfire. That means 10 ft in diameter cleared area,no wind,no over head branches a shovel. etc etc. etc
>> Unless you are under threat of hyperthermia a fire is inappropriate. I know that it makes some people feel safe and cosy. No comment about the so called need for Somemores. No one who builds a campfire thinks that theirs will cause a wildfire. I have put out so many campfires that others have thought were out. I've had to drag big logs into rivers more than once to put out a fires that were burning so deeply in the heart of the wood. That was after pouring liters of water on the embers.  I'm sure the hikers who walked away from these campfires ,thought they were out.
>> Yes,Mosquitoes are difficult. That does not give you permission to have a campfire.
>> Just as we now carry out our TP. Part of leave no trace is to stop making nightly campfires. That includes the Sierra. Please read the websites.
>> None of us would leave trash out there. If we start talking about this now the word will be out among the 2018 hikers. This is the next step in caring for our forests.
>> Marmot
>>

From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 12 13:03:20 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:03:20 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
In-Reply-To: <14054281.94934.1507830748199@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <14054281.94934.1507830748199@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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All right !!! !!This is all a step in the right direction. I've come across people out there would thought it was acceptable to cook their food over an open fire every night. But usually is about a sense of safety and home in the night before bed. I'm not on Facebook. Could someone who is please post these thoughts on this year's Facebook page so that people who are new to backpacking get it from the very start. The PCT is working with the state of Calif to change the name of the permit so that people don't get the wrong idea. 
Thanks to all for your feedback
Marmot

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2017, at 10:52 AM, "ambery-80243 at mypacks.net" <ambery-80243 at mypacks.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I couldn't agree more about how unnecessary campfires are in the backcountry.  I work for the Forest Service, and it is amazing to me the amount of backlash we get from hikers when there is a fire ban in place.  I personally don't get the need for one when it's ninety degrees out, or the lack of understanding about the fire risks during severely dry summers.  I too, have put out so many supposedly "out" fires, and dismantled way too many fire rings in places that a fire should never be built.
> The other issue is the incredible number of user paths in popular areas that are created by hikers foraging around for the wood they need.  It really is time to shift to the idea that it is an unacceptable practice when backpacking.    
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Oct 12, 2017 10:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Campfires
>> 
>> Last year or the year before I made a similar comment on the PCT 
>> facebook page.  I was even in tone and appealed to a sense of being part 
>> of something larger - the wilderness and the experience it gives us.
>> 
>> I was surprised at the negativity and vitriol the post received. For 
>> some reason it's part of the ethos of "being in the woods" to have a 
>> fire.  Maybe it's like the effort to get rid of cigarette smoking 
>> indoors - it'll take a generation for norms to change...
>> 
>> Jeff
>> Laramie, WY
>> 
>>> On 10/12/2017 11:06 AM, marmot marmot wrote:
>>> It's time to start talking again about campfires.
>>> Uninformed PCT hikers and those with antiquated ideas about backpacking have been making fires along the PCT. Just because you have been issued a Calif fire permit does not mean you can build a fire. It simply means you can have a backpacking stove. Except at yellow post sites and established fire rings in  campgrounds no fires are allowed in all of Calif   Even in those places unless conditions are correct you cannot make a campfire. That means 10 ft in diameter cleared area,no wind,no over head branches a shovel. etc etc. etc
>>> Unless you are under threat of hyperthermia a fire is inappropriate. I know that it makes some people feel safe and cosy. No comment about the so called need for Somemores. No one who builds a campfire thinks that theirs will cause a wildfire. I have put out so many campfires that others have thought were out. I've had to drag big logs into rivers more than once to put out a fires that were burning so deeply in the heart of the wood. That was after pouring liters of water on the embers.  I'm sure the hikers who walked away from these campfires ,thought they were out.
>>> Yes,Mosquitoes are difficult. That does not give you permission to have a campfire.
>>> Just as we now carry out our TP. Part of leave no trace is to stop making nightly campfires. That includes the Sierra. Please read the websites.
>>> None of us would leave trash out there. If we start talking about this now the word will be out among the 2018 hikers. This is the next step in caring for our forests.
>>> Marmot
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From sbryce at scottbryce.com  Thu Oct 12 13:13:56 2017
From: sbryce at scottbryce.com (Scott Bryce)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 12:13:56 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
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On 10/12/2017 12:03 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
> But usually is about a sense of safety and home in the night before
> bed.

The last thing I wanted to do after hiking all day was take the time and
expend the energy to build a fire.

From richardb10 at live.com  Thu Oct 12 22:25:19 2017
From: richardb10 at live.com (Richard Brinkman)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:25:19 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
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Word.

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On 10/12/2017 12:03 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
> But usually is about a sense of safety and home in the night before 
> bed.

The last thing I wanted to do after hiking all day was take the time and
expend the energy to build a fire.
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From mtcw at wildblue.net  Thu Oct 12 09:49:27 2017
From: mtcw at wildblue.net (Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:49:27 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
Message-ID: <001e01d34369$52182ee0$f6488ca0$@wildblue.net>

Hello all,

Has anyone used the gusseted Freeze and Serve (microwavable)  bags from
FoodSaver for rehydrated meals? -Lee


From brick at brickrobbins.com  Fri Oct 13 14:30:05 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:30:05 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does someone "own" the list and get to declare exactly what it's for?

I am one of the "owners."

When you subscribed you should have gotten this that explains what its for.

===
The rules of PCT-L are pretty simple.
1 - "Be polite"
2 - "Keep your posts generally ON TOPIC, which means about the PCT"
3 - No "the PCT should be opened to bikes" posts. The PCT is a hiking
and equestrian trail, and should stay that way.

The Admin is pretty lax with the second, not so lax with the first and
absolutely won't tolerate violation of the third. If you don't know
what polite means, you should have paid more attention to you mother.

Reasonable commercial posts are allowed, for example PCT related
services, gear for sale, etc. Just don't repeat them very often.

A few things that may or may not interest you
1 - Spammers have figured out how to sign up for the list, so all new
members are moderated until they have posted at least one PCT related
post. This means if you are new to the list, your first post may take
a while to show up, especially if the admin is out hiking.

2 - If the admin thinks you have broken the rules you will get a
PRIVATE email, and your posts will be moderated for a while. If you
participated in a thread that later became a flame war, you may be
moderated even if you didn't participate; the admin has reasons for
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3 - The admin's word is final - there is no room for debate. The admin
will never take administrative action in the public forum. If you are
having a flame war with someone else, The admin will only tell YOU
that action he is taking with YOU.  Don't worry about what may be
happening to your opponent. It is none of your business.

From brick at brickrobbins.com  Fri Oct 13 14:31:19 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:31:19 -0700
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Sabrina Harrison
<troopharrison at gmail.com> wrote:
> I enjoy this list more than the Facebook groups because of the general level of courtesy and complete absence of drama :)

I remember when people complained about how high-drama this list was,
and how rude people were here. I guess all the drama-king/queen jerks
moved to facebook.

From carlito at gmail.com  Fri Oct 13 17:45:50 2017
From: carlito at gmail.com (Carl Siechert)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 15:45:50 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
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Where's the Like button?

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
wrote:

>
> I remember when people complained about how high-drama this list was,
> and how rude people were here. I guess all the drama-king/queen jerks
> moved to facebook.
>
>

From richardb10 at live.com  Fri Oct 13 19:38:38 2017
From: richardb10 at live.com (Richard Brinkman)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 00:38:38 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Confused
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I don't think we need one.  Written responses will always be far more
valuable.

Roadwalker


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Siechert
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [pct-l] Confused

Where's the Like button?

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
wrote:

>
> I remember when people complained about how high-drama this list was, 
> and how rude people were here. I guess all the drama-king/queen jerks 
> moved to facebook.
>
>
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From dzallis at gmail.com  Sun Oct 15 14:21:09 2017
From: dzallis at gmail.com (David Zallis)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 14:21:09 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Gear/Resupply questions
Message-ID: <CAEVf+4b4Evrb-6MFuyds69q9kL8vWJDw-5Tk3n4ZZpWQEYqxcA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys!

      I am starting to look at gear and set my resupply points. I would
love to get your thoughts on specific gear (brand and make) what worked for
you and whatnot - Pack, Shoes/boots, shelter, bag/quilt, (snowshoes/ice axe
- do I need them?), whatever other pertinent gear you think I need! Any
thoughts on what is better in your opinion Lok sacks or a bear can?

Also, any advice on setting resupply points? Right now I am using Craig's
PCT planner to get a rough outline of my mileage/dates and using that info
to look at where I will be research the town and set my resupply points.

Overall, I tend to overwork things and don't want to do that but I have 6
months. So I am trying to figure out what to focus on. Right now it is
gear, the pacing I expect and my budget. Any other thoughts will be super
helpful!

Thanks,
     David
  (No trail name lol)

From jbruins at gmail.com  Sun Oct 15 14:59:57 2017
From: jbruins at gmail.com (Jay Bruins)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 12:59:57 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Gear/Resupply questions
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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:21 PM, David Zallis <dzallis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys!
> 
>      I am starting to look at gear and set my resupply points. I would
> love to get your thoughts on specific gear (brand and make) what worked for
> you and whatnot -

This is quite open-ended. It?s better to start with your own research (google, this list?s archives, r/ultralight?s wiki, etc), summarize what you're thinking in a shareable form (such as lighterpack.com), and then ask targeted questions.


> Pack,

If possible, choose this after you get your other gear dialed in. The lighter your contents, the lighter the pack.

> Shoes/boots,

Personal preference, but having hiked in a pair of Merrell Moabs for a section, I can tell you that I personally need the padding of a running shoe for high milage days. (My feet would be uncomfortable by 18 miles and screaming at 22.) Go to a good running store and help picking shoes + insoles. We can tell you how durable a particular pair might be, but we can?t tell you how they fit your feet.

Do plan on a larger size. My dress/street shoe size is ~10.5. My first pair was 11. All subsequent pairs were ~11.5.

> shelter, bag/quilt,

Yes, bring a shelter. You?ll find wide ranging opinions here. Zpacks gear is nice, but they?re not the only once.

> (snowshoes/ice axe - do I need them?)

Depends on the conditions. Unless you?re in the Sierra before May, you won?t need snowshoes. I did not use an axe, but I had one ready to be mailed to me. (For me, this made sense given I knew I?d use it in subsequent years.) Microspikes give nice confidence, but are often unnecessary unless you?re early. (How beneficial they are depends on the tread of your shoe.)

If an ice axe is appropriate, learn to use it before you need it. Freedom of the Hills describes many of the snow skills you should have before venturing out, but practice and theory are different.

> whatever other pertinent gear you think I need!

It rains/snows in ?the desert?.

> Any thoughts on what is better in your opinion Lok sacks or a bear can?

Where required, bear cans. Otherwise, what you carry your food in is up to you. (I used Zpacks? hang kit, but rarely hung my food.)

> 
> Also, any advice on setting resupply points? Right now I am using Craig's
> PCT planner to get a rough outline of my mileage/dates and using that info
> to look at where I will be research the town and set my resupply points.

The defaults provided on the form works pretty well. I used non-standard points in the Sierra due to meeting people.

I bought food as I went in CA, so I had flexibility to tweak resupply points if I wanted to keep with people. I bought OR?s food in Ashland for mailing to myself. WA, I had someone purchase and mail food.

> 
> Overall, I tend to overwork things and don't want to do that but I have 6
> months. So I am trying to figure out what to focus on. Right now it is
> gear, the pacing I expect and my budget. Any other thoughts will be super
> helpful!

"The trail provides? is probably the second most popular refrain after ?Hike your own hike?. Provided you can read the water report, the rest of the logistics have a tendency to work themselves out.

Do get your base fitness up and try out any gear purchases as soon as possible.

Armstrong

From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 15 15:04:41 2017
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 14:04:41 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Gear/Resupply questions
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On gear - think of gear as a system.? Each part has a place within it.? 
Do you want to wear running shoes if your basic pack weight sans food 
and water is 20 plus pounds?? Do you want to cook food, or can you go 
without hot food and water?? If you're going to routinely carry 40 
pounds, do you want to carry a pack designed to carry 30 or less?

Are you comfortable trusting your experience and ability to make choices 
in highly stressful moments??? If so you'd likely use a tarp, running 
shoes, a 19 oz pack, a 20 oz quilt/bag, etc.? Basic pack weight would be 
between 8 and 12 pounds, or so.

There was a guy - Warner Springs Monty - who hiked one year 10 years ago 
with a base weight of five pounds or so.? I don't remember what he 
thought after his trip.? There's a facebook group on lightweight 
backpacking safety that explores this kind of stuff that he's 
administrator of.

Or are you relatively inexperienced with trips longer than a couple 
weeks, and think of gear as your primary buffer against weather, snow, 
terrain?? Everything will weigh a bit more.? The 20 - 25 lb basic weight 
becomes more realistic.

When hiking up and over little pass above Packwood Glacier in the Goat 
Rocks in 20 mph wind and mist so thick it's like rain, are you savvy 
enough to stop and get in your sleeping gear and warm up before starting 
to shiver uncontrollably?? Or do you think you'd just try to hike 
through it, shivering be damned? Are you willing to look for a safe 
crossing of a snowmelt fed creek, even if it takes an hour and a mile of 
hiking upstream to find a crossing that is safer than the one at the 
trail?? Or will you plow ahead?

When a situation gets tense and emotions are high - fear is real and 
present, do you calm down and rationally assess what's happening, or do 
you wind up with the fear and tension and make impetuous choices, 
believing you can make it by will alone?

Are you willing to abandon your "plan" in the first week of hiking?? If 
you develop foot problems from heat or not having broken in your 
feet/shoes, are you willing to step off the trail for a week, or slow 
down to have what you've planned?? Or do you think you'll put your head 
down and power through it hoping everything will work out - often what 
happens is the choice to get off the trail is made for you?

For many cost is a factor.? That said, you can make a lot of your gear 
if you have the patience and time, or get stuff off craigslist and ebay.

Read one of Ray Jardine's books on hiking the PCT.? You'll get a heavy 
dose of opinion based on experience, but most of it makes sense.? Even 
tough the books are 20 years old, the perspective is still valid for 
those who don't have a lot of long distance experience.

https://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Crest-Trail-Hikers-Handbook/dp/0963235923/

Jeff
Laramie, WY



On 10/15/2017 1:21 PM, David Zallis wrote:
> Hey Guys!
>
>        I am starting to look at gear and set my resupply points. I would
> love to get your thoughts on specific gear (brand and make) what worked for
> you and whatnot - Pack, Shoes/boots, shelter, bag/quilt, (snowshoes/ice axe
> - do I need them?), whatever other pertinent gear you think I need! Any
> thoughts on what is better in your opinion Lok sacks or a bear can?
>
> Also, any advice on setting resupply points? Right now I am using Craig's
> PCT planner to get a rough outline of my mileage/dates and using that info
> to look at where I will be research the town and set my resupply points.
>
> Overall, I tend to overwork things and don't want to do that but I have 6
> months. So I am trying to figure out what to focus on. Right now it is
> gear, the pacing I expect and my budget. Any other thoughts will be super
> helpful!
>
> Thanks,
>       David
>    (No trail name lol)
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From dzallis at gmail.com  Sun Oct 15 17:01:59 2017
From: dzallis at gmail.com (David Zallis)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:01:59 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Campfires
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I'm glad this was posted, thanks!

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Richard Brinkman <richardb10 at live.com>
wrote:

> Word.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Scott
> Bryce
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 11:14 AM
> To: pct-l
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Campfires
>
> On 10/12/2017 12:03 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
> > But usually is about a sense of safety and home in the night before
> > bed.
>
> The last thing I wanted to do after hiking all day was take the time and
> expend the energy to build a fire.
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From troopharrison at gmail.com  Sun Oct 15 18:06:59 2017
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 18:06:59 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Gear/Resupply questions
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David, hi!

Here is my desert gear list, which worked very well for me! I hiked Campo to Warner Springs (109)

https://thetrek.co/author/sabrina-harrison/gear-list/

If I can help don't hesitate :)



Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2017, at 2:21 PM, David Zallis <dzallis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys!
> 
>      I am starting to look at gear and set my resupply points. I would
> love to get your thoughts on specific gear (brand and make) what worked for
> you and whatnot - Pack, Shoes/boots, shelter, bag/quilt, (snowshoes/ice axe
> - do I need them?), whatever other pertinent gear you think I need! Any
> thoughts on what is better in your opinion Lok sacks or a bear can?
> 
> Also, any advice on setting resupply points? Right now I am using Craig's
> PCT planner to get a rough outline of my mileage/dates and using that info
> to look at where I will be research the town and set my resupply points.
> 
> Overall, I tend to overwork things and don't want to do that but I have 6
> months. So I am trying to figure out what to focus on. Right now it is
> gear, the pacing I expect and my budget. Any other thoughts will be super
> helpful!
> 
> Thanks,
>     David
>  (No trail name lol)
> _______________________________________________
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 15 18:17:27 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 23:17:27 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Gear/Resupply questions
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David
Don't forget Yogi's books (She has a double Triple Crown)and Halfmiles app.  Having done the trail 2 1/3 times,I still use those. 
I'm not a super light packer---base weight 16 lbs. 
For me the size of outside net pockets is important. It gives me access quickly to trail gear ---such as rain gear,water,filter. And a place to stick a wet tent. At this point lots of stuff just gets irritating if it's hard to do. 
Learn to use an ice axe before you leave on the trail. 
Learn to take a deep breath and go the safest way. Two people died this year on the trail and some others were just lucky that they did not. 
Don't make fires --it's irresponsible behavior 
I use Altras. But really you have to walk in the shoes. Buy some now and just walk. 
Look at ULA and Etawah gear--for packs. 
That's a great suggestion to get the inside gear first. 
If you live on the west coast try coming to one of the Aldhawest rucks in Jan/Feb. your see other peoples gear and have Wolverines go through your and others gear. 
I love my tent cause I hate mosquitos and some how I just sleep better in one. I use a 6 Moon design lunar duo in Cuban fiber-- it's expensive but since I don't spend money on much --oh well. So far I've put 1,300 miles on it --it's great. 
Unless it's another big snow year you won't need your ice axe until the Sierra. It really depends on when you plan to start. Early in the season Fuller ridge and Baden-Powell can be difficult. 
Bear canisters are required once you get to Horseshoe Meadows until you get out of the Sierra. You can rent them if you put in your application early. 
Have a great hike
Marmot

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:21 PM, David Zallis <dzallis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys!
> 
>      I am starting to look at gear and set my resupply points. I would
> love to get your thoughts on specific gear (brand and make) what worked for
> you and whatnot - Pack, Shoes/boots, shelter, bag/quilt, (snowshoes/ice axe
> - do I need them?), whatever other pertinent gear you think I need! Any
> thoughts on what is better in your opinion Lok sacks or a bear can?
> 
> Also, any advice on setting resupply points? Right now I am using Craig's
> PCT planner to get a rough outline of my mileage/dates and using that info
> to look at where I will be research the town and set my resupply points.
> 
> Overall, I tend to overwork things and don't want to do that but I have 6
> months. So I am trying to figure out what to focus on. Right now it is
> gear, the pacing I expect and my budget. Any other thoughts will be super
> helpful!
> 
> Thanks,
>     David
>  (No trail name lol)
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From lucecruz13 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 15 20:42:25 2017
From: lucecruz13 at gmail.com (Luce Cruz)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 18:42:25 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Gear/Resupply questions
In-Reply-To: <CAEVf+4b4Evrb-6MFuyds69q9kL8vWJDw-5Tk3n4ZZpWQEYqxcA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi David, welcome to the insanity.

Clothes, shoes, and even sleeping bag can be a very personal thing. I could
have gotten a custom sewn quilt made ($$$$$$), but I fit in an REI duck
down bag for big and tall folks ($$$), necessary because I'm big and tall.
My shoulders didn't fit in many of the very well made and recommended
sleeping bags.

I wear a size 15 shoe and have a pretty narrow low volume foot, so what
works for my feet will probably not work for almost everyone else. Gotta
put some miles in on different shoes before marrying to one, and even that
might change once you start putting in the long days and your foot size and
shape may change.

IMO, if you need snowshoes, it's time to consider how to bail and think
about your plan.

IMO, carrying an ice ax and not knowing how to use it and having it ready
when you need it is a waste of time, effort, safety, and planning. Ned will
be along soon I'm sure to tell you why this is.

Personally, I'd leapfrog a section before I went through needing an ice ax,
and I wouldn't dream of bringing or needing snowshoes on a PCT hike, but
that's just me and my own thoughts about level of enjoyment for a hike. I
like microspikes and have used them a lot on hard crusty snow and ice, and
they aren't so big and heavy as to cramp my style.

-- 
Luce Cruz

From jtpapini at icloud.com  Mon Oct 16 00:30:38 2017
From: jtpapini at icloud.com (John Papini)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:30:38 +0400
Subject: [pct-l] Gear/Resupply questions
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I second the advice to come up with a gear list and share it. I?ll also echo the sentiment that your backpacking setup is a system, so it?s best to critique the entire system as a whole rather than individual gear choices. Share one when you have it!

I thru hiked in 2016 and in addition to this mailing list I found backpackinglight.com to be a great resource, especially the forums, where folks post gear reviews and their own gear lists for others to critique. 

I?ll also echo the sentiment that the trail does provide. I spent close to six months preparing - I had multiple spreadsheets with gear weights and food calories and all sorts of excessive prep. For me, that was a fun process and it helped me get psyched about my trip, but it was certainly not necessary. Get some feedback on your gear choices, make sure you know how to use it, understand the basic trail conditions, download or print maps and the water report, then get out there and start walking! You?ll learn as you go, get what you need, and be surrounded by an incredibly knowledgeable and supportive community of hikers and PCT townsfolk!

Good luck!
Woodstock

Sent from my iPhone - please excuse any typographical errors!

> On Oct 15, 2017, at 11:59 PM, Jay Bruins <jbruins at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:21 PM, David Zallis <dzallis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Guys!
>> 
>>     I am starting to look at gear and set my resupply points. I would
>> love to get your thoughts on specific gear (brand and make) what worked for
>> you and whatnot -
> 
> This is quite open-ended. It?s better to start with your own research (google, this list?s archives, r/ultralight?s wiki, etc), summarize what you're thinking in a shareable form (such as lighterpack.com), and then ask targeted questions.
> 
> 
>> Pack,
> 
> If possible, choose this after you get your other gear dialed in. The lighter your contents, the lighter the pack.
> 
>> Shoes/boots,
> 
> Personal preference, but having hiked in a pair of Merrell Moabs for a section, I can tell you that I personally need the padding of a running shoe for high milage days. (My feet would be uncomfortable by 18 miles and screaming at 22.) Go to a good running store and help picking shoes + insoles. We can tell you how durable a particular pair might be, but we can?t tell you how they fit your feet.
> 
> Do plan on a larger size. My dress/street shoe size is ~10.5. My first pair was 11. All subsequent pairs were ~11.5.
> 
>> shelter, bag/quilt,
> 
> Yes, bring a shelter. You?ll find wide ranging opinions here. Zpacks gear is nice, but they?re not the only once.
> 
>> (snowshoes/ice axe - do I need them?)
> 
> Depends on the conditions. Unless you?re in the Sierra before May, you won?t need snowshoes. I did not use an axe, but I had one ready to be mailed to me. (For me, this made sense given I knew I?d use it in subsequent years.) Microspikes give nice confidence, but are often unnecessary unless you?re early. (How beneficial they are depends on the tread of your shoe.)
> 
> If an ice axe is appropriate, learn to use it before you need it. Freedom of the Hills describes many of the snow skills you should have before venturing out, but practice and theory are different.
> 
>> whatever other pertinent gear you think I need!
> 
> It rains/snows in ?the desert?.
> 
>> Any thoughts on what is better in your opinion Lok sacks or a bear can?
> 
> Where required, bear cans. Otherwise, what you carry your food in is up to you. (I used Zpacks? hang kit, but rarely hung my food.)
> 
>> 
>> Also, any advice on setting resupply points? Right now I am using Craig's
>> PCT planner to get a rough outline of my mileage/dates and using that info
>> to look at where I will be research the town and set my resupply points.
> 
> The defaults provided on the form works pretty well. I used non-standard points in the Sierra due to meeting people.
> 
> I bought food as I went in CA, so I had flexibility to tweak resupply points if I wanted to keep with people. I bought OR?s food in Ashland for mailing to myself. WA, I had someone purchase and mail food.
> 
>> 
>> Overall, I tend to overwork things and don't want to do that but I have 6
>> months. So I am trying to figure out what to focus on. Right now it is
>> gear, the pacing I expect and my budget. Any other thoughts will be super
>> helpful!
> 
> "The trail provides? is probably the second most popular refrain after ?Hike your own hike?. Provided you can read the water report, the rest of the logistics have a tendency to work themselves out.
> 
> Do get your base fitness up and try out any gear purchases as soon as possible.
> 
> Armstrong
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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 16 08:40:52 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:40:52 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Gear
Message-ID: <BY2PR20MB024656F8F65E3D5072956734C84F0@BY2PR20MB0246.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

David. 
Most--not all--long distance hikers find that their shoe size or width goes up. You might not want to buy all those running shoes at once. They usually last about 400 miles. 
Try to avoid carrying too much food in the beginning. You have a convenient re supply spot every 2-3 days until you leave the Saufleys. You are not going to starve. Everyone has too much food. They will be giving it away to get it off their backs. I still forget and imagine I'm going to be "hiker hungry" when I've been off a trail for awhile. For me that doesn't kick in for a month. Water is what matters. Don't count on water caches. 
This trail is doable by anyone with a normal fitness level and reasonable snow skills. If you need to skip forward at any point and hike south to let snow melt out, go for it. All you need to have hiked the trail is a continuous pathway with reasonable hiked alternatives. It will not diminish the experience. Moving it along so that you get through Oregon and Wash before the fire season (sometimes not possible) is a good idea. And you don't want to get snowed out at the end. 
The way you imagined the trail to be is never how it is. It's better. 
Take care out there
Marmot


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From mtcw at wildblue.net  Mon Oct 16 10:15:07 2017
From: mtcw at wildblue.net (Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:15:07 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Gear/Resupply questions
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David,
Another thing to consider with your Resupply strategy is how comfortable you
are with hitching. I don't hitch very often and therefore don't resupply at
every opportunity which means I carry a bit more food/gear.
-Lee  "2.5"

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of David Zallis
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 1:21 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Gear/Resupply questions

Hey Guys!

      I am starting to look at gear and set my resupply points. I would love
to get your thoughts on specific gear (brand and make) what worked for you
and whatnot - Pack, Shoes/boots, shelter, bag/quilt, (snowshoes/ice axe
- do I need them?), whatever other pertinent gear you think I need! Any
thoughts on what is better in your opinion Lok sacks or a bear can?

Also, any advice on setting resupply points? Right now I am using Craig's
PCT planner to get a rough outline of my mileage/dates and using that info
to look at where I will be research the town and set my resupply points.

Overall, I tend to overwork things and don't want to do that but I have 6
months. So I am trying to figure out what to focus on. Right now it is gear,
the pacing I expect and my budget. Any other thoughts will be super helpful!

Thanks,
     David
  (No trail name lol)
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From virgil at baloney.com  Mon Oct 16 14:19:46 2017
From: virgil at baloney.com (virgil)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:19:46 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Any late north bound finishers out there?
Message-ID: <201710161219.46291.virgil@baloney.com>

Its the middle of October and the weather in the north cascades is about to 
get very wet and snowy.

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Sun Oct 22 14:13:33 2017
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:13:33 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] The 2018 permits season opens on November 1, 2017.
Message-ID: <CALu=H=gJZNFeTy1r2yQS-iAxMLEkkWKZh+PM8DLvqL0uCALT_w@mail.gmail.com>

-Time sensitive alert-

In a mere 10 days, the PCT long distance thru-hike permit process begins.

Good luck to all applicants seeking nature's elixir.

Paint

https://www.pcta.org/2017/2018-pct-long-distance-permit-50720/

Opening dates for the PCT long-distance permitStarting at or near the
Mexican border (both thru-hikers and section hikers)

These permits are limited to 50 people per day. We will release these
permits in two phases, so if you miss getting a permit in the first phase,
you?ll have the opportunity to try again.

   1. On November 1 at 10:30 a.m. PT, 35 permits per day will become
   available.
   2. On January 17 at 10:30 a.m. PT, the remaining 15 permits per day will
   become available.

Starting elsewhere (Southbound thru-hikers and other section hike
itineraries)

We?ll start accepting permit applications on January 17 at 10:30 a.m. PT.

From rickrparker at icloud.com  Mon Oct 30 21:54:33 2017
From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:54:33 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
Message-ID: <53B8C256-403E-4A4F-B1C2-630D71CC224E@icloud.com>

Freezer ziplocks not the cheap ones.  I think they are lighter, and have more of multipurpose (trash bags).  If the FoodSaver Bags are the heat sealed bag, that may work to mail ahead boxes?  You shouldn?t need to mail anything really as you can always pack a few days all the way to Tehachapi.  I think I remember the SoCal longest haul is now (Ziggy and the Bear being closed) Idyllwild to Big Bear.  I was by the store just last month by Casa De Luna and that store is great!  Hikertown now owns a grocery nearby.  Then, 3-4 days to Tehachapi.

FWIW, I never cook in my Ti Pot.  Just use a Talenti ice cream plastic jar for stirring, coffee.  The oatmeal packs are great for pouring hot water into with a bit of freeze dried berrys.  Enjoy. . . . 

From mtcw at wildblue.net  Tue Oct 31 09:07:21 2017
From: mtcw at wildblue.net (Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 08:07:21 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
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References: <53B8C256-403E-4A4F-B1C2-630D71CC224E@icloud.com>
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My issue with Ziplocks are that they don't stand up like a gusseted bag. I'm looking for zipper, gusseted bags with dimensions similar to commercial freeze dried meals. The only gusseted bags I can find are too narrow at the top to easily eat from. The new Food Saver Steamer zipper, gusseted bags are the right dimensions but appear to have steam vents which might be an issue if you are using them to rehydrate a meal. So would like to know if anyone has tried them.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Rick Parker
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:55 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags

Freezer ziplocks not the cheap ones.  I think they are lighter, and have more of multipurpose (trash bags).  If the FoodSaver Bags are the heat sealed bag, that may work to mail ahead boxes?  You shouldn?t need to mail anything really as you can always pack a few days all the way to Tehachapi.  I think I remember the SoCal longest haul is now (Ziggy and the Bear being closed) Idyllwild to Big Bear.  I was by the store just last month by Casa De Luna and that store is great!  Hikertown now owns a grocery nearby.  Then, 3-4 days to Tehachapi.

FWIW, I never cook in my Ti Pot.  Just use a Talenti ice cream plastic jar for stirring, coffee.  The oatmeal packs are great for pouring hot water into with a bit of freeze dried berrys.  Enjoy. . . . 
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From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 31 09:27:32 2017
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 08:27:32 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
In-Reply-To: <001801d35251$976f03a0$c64d0ae0$@wildblue.net>
References: <53B8C256-403E-4A4F-B1C2-630D71CC224E@icloud.com>
 <001801d35251$976f03a0$c64d0ae0$@wildblue.net>
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I'm not sure what the origin of this conversation is.? That said, I'll 
add two cents worth.

I've not put food in a pot for almost 15 years.? I rebag everything that 
gets heated - oatmeal, freeze-dried food, homemade dinners - in one 
quart ziplock freezer bags.? Pour boiling water over the food, mix it 
up, seal it for long enough to make it palatable, and eat.

The freezer bags are heavy enough to take boiling water.? There are two 
kinds - one with a zipper seal, and one kind that has a finger seal.? I 
prefer the bags you slide your finger along - they just seem sturdier.

The last thing I want to do is wash a pot after eating...

I hope I didn't miss the point of the discussion

Jeff, Laramie WY


On 10/31/2017 8:07 AM, Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks wrote:
> My issue with Ziplocks are that they don't stand up like a gusseted bag. I'm looking for zipper, gusseted bags with dimensions similar to commercial freeze dried meals. The only gusseted bags I can find are too narrow at the top to easily eat from. The new Food Saver Steamer zipper, gusseted bags are the right dimensions but appear to have steam vents which might be an issue if you are using them to rehydrate a meal. So would like to know if anyone has tried them.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Rick Parker
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:55 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
>
> Freezer ziplocks not the cheap ones.  I think they are lighter, and have more of multipurpose (trash bags).  If the FoodSaver Bags are the heat sealed bag, that may work to mail ahead boxes?  You shouldn?t need to mail anything really as you can always pack a few days all the way to Tehachapi.  I think I remember the SoCal longest haul is now (Ziggy and the Bear being closed) Idyllwild to Big Bear.  I was by the store just last month by Casa De Luna and that store is great!  Hikertown now owns a grocery nearby.  Then, 3-4 days to Tehachapi.
>
> FWIW, I never cook in my Ti Pot.  Just use a Talenti ice cream plastic jar for stirring, coffee.  The oatmeal packs are great for pouring hot water into with a bit of freeze dried berrys.  Enjoy. . . .
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From mtcw at wildblue.net  Tue Oct 31 10:52:36 2017
From: mtcw at wildblue.net (Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:52:36 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
In-Reply-To: <756cdb42-c51b-7630-156f-bea13cb33726@gmail.com>
References: <53B8C256-403E-4A4F-B1C2-630D71CC224E@icloud.com>
 <001801d35251$976f03a0$c64d0ae0$@wildblue.net>
 <756cdb42-c51b-7630-156f-bea13cb33726@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501d35260$4bf8c910$e3ea5b30$@wildblue.net>

The original concern is that ziplocks are not free-standing (they tip over) unlike a gusseted bag which sits there all by its self. Very handy and no dishes. I give up...I will buy the FoodSaver bags, test them and report back:)

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Olson
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 8:28 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags

I'm not sure what the origin of this conversation is.  That said, I'll add two cents worth.

I've not put food in a pot for almost 15 years.  I rebag everything that gets heated - oatmeal, freeze-dried food, homemade dinners - in one quart ziplock freezer bags.  Pour boiling water over the food, mix it up, seal it for long enough to make it palatable, and eat.

The freezer bags are heavy enough to take boiling water.  There are two kinds - one with a zipper seal, and one kind that has a finger seal.  I prefer the bags you slide your finger along - they just seem sturdier.

The last thing I want to do is wash a pot after eating...

I hope I didn't miss the point of the discussion

Jeff, Laramie WY


On 10/31/2017 8:07 AM, Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks wrote:
> My issue with Ziplocks are that they don't stand up like a gusseted bag. I'm looking for zipper, gusseted bags with dimensions similar to commercial freeze dried meals. The only gusseted bags I can find are too narrow at the top to easily eat from. The new Food Saver Steamer zipper, gusseted bags are the right dimensions but appear to have steam vents which might be an issue if you are using them to rehydrate a meal. So would like to know if anyone has tried them.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Rick 
> Parker
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:55 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
>
> Freezer ziplocks not the cheap ones.  I think they are lighter, and have more of multipurpose (trash bags).  If the FoodSaver Bags are the heat sealed bag, that may work to mail ahead boxes?  You shouldn?t need to mail anything really as you can always pack a few days all the way to Tehachapi.  I think I remember the SoCal longest haul is now (Ziggy and the Bear being closed) Idyllwild to Big Bear.  I was by the store just last month by Casa De Luna and that store is great!  Hikertown now owns a grocery nearby.  Then, 3-4 days to Tehachapi.
>
> FWIW, I never cook in my Ti Pot.  Just use a Talenti ice cream plastic jar for stirring, coffee.  The oatmeal packs are great for pouring hot water into with a bit of freeze dried berrys.  Enjoy. . . .
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From jbruins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 31 11:00:02 2017
From: jbruins at gmail.com (Jay Bruins)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:00:02 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
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Yes, they are: https://ziploc.com/en/products/bags/slider/slider-freezer-bags-quart-medium

Armstrong

PS Personally, I?d take a regular one and slip it back into my Jetboil pot once the water is added. Free standing, acts as a coozie, and I?ve already brought it along.

> On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks <mtcw at wildblue.net> wrote:
> 
> The original concern is that ziplocks are not free-standing (they tip over) unlike a gusseted bag which sits there all by its self. Very handy and no dishes. I give up...I will buy the FoodSaver bags, test them and report back:)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 8:28 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
> 
> I'm not sure what the origin of this conversation is.  That said, I'll add two cents worth.
> 
> I've not put food in a pot for almost 15 years.  I rebag everything that gets heated - oatmeal, freeze-dried food, homemade dinners - in one quart ziplock freezer bags.  Pour boiling water over the food, mix it up, seal it for long enough to make it palatable, and eat.
> 
> The freezer bags are heavy enough to take boiling water.  There are two kinds - one with a zipper seal, and one kind that has a finger seal.  I prefer the bags you slide your finger along - they just seem sturdier.
> 
> The last thing I want to do is wash a pot after eating...
> 
> I hope I didn't miss the point of the discussion
> 
> Jeff, Laramie WY
> 
> 
>> On 10/31/2017 8:07 AM, Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks wrote:
>> My issue with Ziplocks are that they don't stand up like a gusseted bag. I'm looking for zipper, gusseted bags with dimensions similar to commercial freeze dried meals. The only gusseted bags I can find are too narrow at the top to easily eat from. The new Food Saver Steamer zipper, gusseted bags are the right dimensions but appear to have steam vents which might be an issue if you are using them to rehydrate a meal. So would like to know if anyone has tried them.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Rick 
>> Parker
>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:55 PM
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
>> 
>> Freezer ziplocks not the cheap ones.  I think they are lighter, and have more of multipurpose (trash bags).  If the FoodSaver Bags are the heat sealed bag, that may work to mail ahead boxes?  You shouldn?t need to mail anything really as you can always pack a few days all the way to Tehachapi.  I think I remember the SoCal longest haul is now (Ziggy and the Bear being closed) Idyllwild to Big Bear.  I was by the store just last month by Casa De Luna and that store is great!  Hikertown now owns a grocery nearby.  Then, 3-4 days to Tehachapi.
>> 
>> FWIW, I never cook in my Ti Pot.  Just use a Talenti ice cream plastic jar for stirring, coffee.  The oatmeal packs are great for pouring hot water into with a bit of freeze dried berrys.  Enjoy. . . .
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From mtcw at wildblue.net  Tue Oct 31 11:13:17 2017
From: mtcw at wildblue.net (Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:13:17 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
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Thanks Jay, I had never seen this Ziploc product before. I?ll check them out.

 

From: Jay Bruins [mailto:jbruins at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:00 AM
To: Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags

 

Yes, they are: https://ziploc.com/en/products/bags/slider/slider-freezer-bags-quart-medium

Armstrong

 

PS Personally, I?d take a regular one and slip it back into my Jetboil pot once the water is added. Free standing, acts as a coozie, and I?ve already brought it along.


On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks <mtcw at wildblue.net> wrote:

The original concern is that ziplocks are not free-standing (they tip over) unlike a gusseted bag which sits there all by its self. Very handy and no dishes. I give up...I will buy the FoodSaver bags, test them and report back:)

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Olson
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 8:28 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags

I'm not sure what the origin of this conversation is.  That said, I'll add two cents worth.

I've not put food in a pot for almost 15 years.  I rebag everything that gets heated - oatmeal, freeze-dried food, homemade dinners - in one quart ziplock freezer bags.  Pour boiling water over the food, mix it up, seal it for long enough to make it palatable, and eat.

The freezer bags are heavy enough to take boiling water.  There are two kinds - one with a zipper seal, and one kind that has a finger seal.  I prefer the bags you slide your finger along - they just seem sturdier.

The last thing I want to do is wash a pot after eating...

I hope I didn't miss the point of the discussion

Jeff, Laramie WY


On 10/31/2017 8:07 AM, Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks wrote:



My issue with Ziplocks are that they don't stand up like a gusseted bag. I'm looking for zipper, gusseted bags with dimensions similar to commercial freeze dried meals. The only gusseted bags I can find are too narrow at the top to easily eat from. The new Food Saver Steamer zipper, gusseted bags are the right dimensions but appear to have steam vents which might be an issue if you are using them to rehydrate a meal. So would like to know if anyone has tried them.

 

 

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From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Rick 

Parker

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:55 PM

To: pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags

 

Freezer ziplocks not the cheap ones.  I think they are lighter, and have more of multipurpose (trash bags).  If the FoodSaver Bags are the heat sealed bag, that may work to mail ahead boxes?  You shouldn?t need to mail anything really as you can always pack a few days all the way to Tehachapi.  I think I remember the SoCal longest haul is now (Ziggy and the Bear being closed) Idyllwild to Big Bear.  I was by the store just last month by Casa De Luna and that store is great!  Hikertown now owns a grocery nearby.  Then, 3-4 days to Tehachapi.

 

FWIW, I never cook in my Ti Pot.  Just use a Talenti ice cream plastic jar for stirring, coffee.  The oatmeal packs are great for pouring hot water into with a bit of freeze dried berrys.  Enjoy. . . .

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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 31 13:10:34 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 18:10:34 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Hostels etc
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Just in case y'all didn't see it. The AT Cafe in Millennocket is for sale. Also two hostels on or near AT. It's in the AT mag this month. 
Marmot

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