From jackandbarbpct at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 09:37:45 2017 From: jackandbarbpct at gmail.com (Jack and Barb) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 07:37:45 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Total Eclipse of the sun, 8/21 Message-ID: There will be a total eclipse this August 21st and it passes right over the PCT in Oregon! Many thru hikers should be in this area during the eclipse (we passed through on 8/29/11) and if necessary, race ahead or slow down to be in the zone of totality on 8/21. Two important things to consider. 1) You must be able to see the sun. If you are in deep tree cover or it is overcast, it will only get real dark and then light again. 2) If you are not in the "zone of totality" you will not experience the glorious sight of a total eclipse - no eye protection required. Here are my crude calculations. Totality starts at about 10:20 am Pacific Daylight Time. The sun will be at an altitude above the Eastern horizon of about 40 degrees. The zone of totality extends from about Mt. Washington (mile 1990) on the southern fringe to about two miles North of Timothy Lake (mile 2074) on the upper fringe. The center line of totality runs a bit north of Mt. Jefferson, say mile 2030-32. At Mt. Washington you will have totality for about 48 seconds. At the center (near Mt. Jefferson) about 2 minutes and up near Timothy Lake, about 1 minute. We saw our first and only total eclipse in '98 (Venezuela) and are planning to get to this one, but likely more Easterly than the trail. We remember, the breeze died, the birds stopped chirping, darkness came and the stars and planets appeared. It was a once (or twice!) in a lifetime experience! Finally, never look at the sun without a proper filter, before and after totality, or anywhere out of the "zone". Get a pair of cheap, very lightweight, cardboard, eclipse glasses. Carry them with you and check out the partial. TJ From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 17:09:45 2017 From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 16:09:45 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Palomar Mountain/mile #127 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 9 inches of rain fell on Palomar Mountain, over the past weekend... which is approx. 15 miles due west of the PCT, where it crosses Chihuahua Valley RD. I am happy to report that my humble abode stood up to this torrential downpour, although the tent bathtub leaked considerably- due to loss of waterproofing over time. I am using a one person MSR Hubba Hubba self standing 3 season tent. All of the zippers have failed, requiring me to improvise and cover the door with my poncho, which acts as the fly. FWIW- I've been thru camping out here at trail angel Mike Herrara's place since the 28th of Dec. Tinkerbell and Screagle are the first thrus to stop by, reaching Paradise Valley Cafe, then flopping north to Walker Pass, to SOBO back to wherever- weather permitting. I haven't any cell service at mile #127, so any replies will be forthcoming. Stay safe out there and bring weather protection. All the best, Paint. From davefajer at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 17:23:02 2017 From: davefajer at gmail.com (Dave Fajer) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 15:23:02 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Palomar Mountain/mile #127 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Paint YW, Go For It! Coastal On Mar 1, 2017 3:09 PM, "Paint YW" wrote: > 9 inches of rain fell on Palomar Mountain, over the past weekend... which > is approx. 15 miles due west of the PCT, where it crosses Chihuahua Valley > RD. > > I am happy to report that my humble abode stood up to this torrential > downpour, although the tent bathtub leaked considerably- due to loss of > waterproofing over time. I am using a one person MSR Hubba Hubba self > standing 3 season tent. All of the zippers have failed, requiring me to > improvise and cover the door with my poncho, which acts as the fly. > > FWIW- I've been thru camping out here at trail angel Mike Herrara's place > since the 28th of Dec. > > Tinkerbell and Screagle are the first thrus to stop by, reaching Paradise > Valley Cafe, then flopping north to Walker Pass, to SOBO back to wherever- > weather permitting. > > I haven't any cell service at mile #127, so any replies will be > forthcoming. > > Stay safe out there and bring weather protection. > > All the best, > > Paint. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From davefajer at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 17:29:48 2017 From: davefajer at gmail.com (Dave Fajer) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 15:29:48 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Palomar Mountain/mile #127 In-Reply-To: <48086e6c1f512d82b1b037a21e96827b@sendgrids.net> References: <48086e6c1f512d82b1b037a21e96827b@sendgrids.net> Message-ID: So I just replied to Paint YW on PCT-L and this is the personal email response I get back.....FYI....don't know the sender....looks like PCT-L issues? Coastal On Mar 1, 2017 3:25 PM, "Shara Cruz" wrote: > Intereseting. So should we meet? I am waiting for you to make the first > move. reply for details .. > > Sent from my iPad > From rickrparker at icloud.com Wed Mar 1 20:23:42 2017 From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2017 20:23:42 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Palomar Mountain/mile #127 Message-ID: <2932477E-D948-4007-89F6-6E1446E23B26@icloud.com> Coastal, I have been getting mail from the same person with some really raw photos too. I hope we can get her off the board. Rp From brick at brickrobbins.com Thu Mar 2 00:12:44 2017 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 22:12:44 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Palomar Mountain/mile #127 In-Reply-To: <2932477E-D948-4007-89F6-6E1446E23B26@icloud.com> References: <2932477E-D948-4007-89F6-6E1446E23B26@icloud.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Rick Parker wrote: > Coastal, I have been getting mail from the same person with some really raw photos too. > > I hope we can get her off the board. The sender is not a "her" --- it is a robot that is sending emails with junk messages and pictures taken from various porn sites The return address and IP address are not subscribed to the list, so it is hard to track them down. I get them too. From gary_schenk at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 09:00:25 2017 From: gary_schenk at yahoo.com (Gary Schenk) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 15:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Palomar Mountain/mile #127 References: <1828941166.398834.1488466825133.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1828941166.398834.1488466825133@mail.yahoo.com> Say Hi to Josh! We were there a year ago at the end of February. We shared libations and Eagles songs. Gary -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 3/1/17, Paint YW wrote: FWIW- I've been thru camping out here at trail angel Mike Herrara's place since the 28th of Dec. From tcantor33 at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:19:53 2017 From: tcantor33 at gmail.com (Todd Cantor) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 10:19:53 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Palomar Mountain/mile #127 In-Reply-To: References: <2932477E-D948-4007-89F6-6E1446E23B26@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9C150542-49A0-4403-9F43-12B628E77F09@gmail.com> Yup. There is definitely a bot spamming the lists. I started getting the the other day. Depending on your mail provider or mail client application you may be able to blacklist and/or block them. They seem to be coming from the same email address so filtering to junk may work as well. Todd Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2017, at 10:12 PM, Brick Robbins wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Rick Parker wrote: >> Coastal, I have been getting mail from the same person with some really raw photos too. >> >> I hope we can get her off the board. > > The sender is not a "her" --- it is a robot that is sending emails > with junk messages and pictures taken from various porn sites > > The return address and IP address are not subscribed to the list, so > it is hard to track them down. > > I get them too. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From don.boggs77 at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 14:43:20 2017 From: don.boggs77 at gmail.com (Donald Boggs) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 14:43:20 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] 2017 Thru-Hike Attempter New to PCT-L Message-ID: Is anybody out there? I'm not sure how this works yet. I just signed up yesterday and have not received any messages as I anticipated. Perhaps this message will help. I'm starting at Campo on April 20th. How about that snow in the Sierra! It's 180% above average and there could be more coming. I was hoping for average. This appears to be THE YEAR prophesied in Yogi's Book. Any thoughts? Best, Don From baidarker at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 18:52:50 2017 From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:52:50 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] 2017 Thru-Hike Attempter New to PCT-L In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Don, Yeah we're all out here and welcome! It's a great community this bunch of trail lovers. And you're right, it's quite a snow year, maybe one for the records. But don't be dismayed, lots of us have hiked weeks and weeks over the snowy High Sierra and not only lived to tell about it, but found it to be the hardest, most fun and all around best backpacking experience of our lives. it was wonderful. The folks I hiked with are still dear friends. There's nothing like the Sierra draped in white. Absolutely stunning. Now, I'm not sure if you have any experience in snow of this kind, it was mostly snow for 5 weeks for us in 2010, but if you check back at the discussions that have been flying on this list and on the Facebook pages over the past few weeks, you can learn a lot. There are snow courses you can take, and an active member of this list and the FB pages is Ned Tibbets, who runs "MountainEducation" http://mountaineducation.org He's a great guy with lots of snow experience and a good teacher. If you don't need any training, then just welcome to the thru hiking community! Shroomer On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Donald Boggs wrote: > Is anybody out there? > > I'm not sure how this works yet. I just signed up yesterday and have not > received any messages as I anticipated. Perhaps this message will help. > > I'm starting at Campo on April 20th. > > How about that snow in the Sierra! It's 180% above average and there could > be more coming. I was hoping for average. This appears to be THE YEAR > prophesied in Yogi's Book. > > Any thoughts? > > Best, > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From ned at mountaineducation.org Thu Mar 2 19:12:33 2017 From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 17:12:33 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] SNOW In-Reply-To: References: <28f801d2930f$9d40ae20$d7c20a60$@mountaineducation.org> <02e601d293b3$a1060100$e3120300$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: <033101d293bb$3dd76760$b9863620$@mountaineducation.org> I know that a lot of the members of the pct-l don?t, but we?ve been posting a lot of very snow-hiking relevant info there to help hikers this summer! Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:37 PM To: Ned Tibbits Subject: Re: SNOW No -- I never go onto FB anymore... On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 4:18 PM, > wrote: As long as the snowpack is consolidated, of course! I?ve been going over it in May for 35 years and haven?t yet had any big hazards, but you do need to know what you?re doing regarding snow skills and making wise decisions! Have you been following all our FB posts, Byron? Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com ] Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:14 PM To: Ned Tibbits > Subject: Re: SNOW No way -- are you seriously saying that you can climb over Forester Pass, this year, in MAY?!? On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:44 PM, > wrote: Hi, Byron! Best thing you could do for your JMT and PCT thru hikes would be to take one of our SAC-7 snow skills courses! Details here? http://mountaineducation.org/snow-advanced-course-sierra-pct-nobo-full-course-description/ I wish I could have taken one of these trips the spring before my thru hike! Take a look at the dates and let me know what you want to do! Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com ] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 9:08 PM To: Ned Tibbits > Subject: SNOW Hi Ned, I'm committed! PCT in 2018, JMT in 2017 When are this year's courses? From efuller at planhike.com Fri Mar 3 09:03:38 2017 From: efuller at planhike.com (Eric) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 07:03:38 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Palomar Mountain/mile #127 In-Reply-To: <1828941166.398834.1488466825133@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1828941166.398834.1488466825133.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1828941166.398834.1488466825133@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ive been to mikes about 10 times now since 2012 i love it! Drove up there and helped him cook the first weekend of may in 2015. Hes a great guy and i think i got past the rookie stage of separating chicken legs from thighs.. he didnt make it up last year so Josh was making the pizza.. Hundy Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:00 AM, Gary Schenk wrote: > > Say Hi to Josh! We were there a year ago at the end of February. We shared libations and Eagles songs. > > Gary > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 3/1/17, Paint YW wrote: > FWIW- I've been thru camping out here at trail angel Mike > Herrara's place > since the 28th of Dec. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From gary_schenk at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 09:38:54 2017 From: gary_schenk at yahoo.com (Gary Schenk) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 15:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] 2017 Thru-Hike Attempter New to PCT-L References: <325101201.416658.1488555534729.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <325101201.416658.1488555534729@mail.yahoo.com> On Thu, 3/2/17, Donald Boggs wrote >Any thoughts? Good luck and enjoy your hike! Gary From tokencivilian at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 14:26:52 2017 From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com (Barry Teschlog) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 20:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] 2017 thru-Hike Attempt References: <505576418.32691.1488572812331.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <505576418.32691.1488572812331@mail.yahoo.com> Don wrote:I'm starting at Campo on April 20th. How about that snow in the Sierra! It's 180% above average and there could be more coming. I was hoping for average. This appears to be THE YEAR prophesied in Yogi's Book. Any thoughts?Reply:In re the snow, it's too early to tell how big it'll be - big yes, but how big is TBD.? I hiked in the big snow year of '06.? What really put that one over the top is that it continued to snow well into April, both adding to the April 1 totals AND delaying the melt. If it's a cool wet spring, expect there to be even more snow than there might be otherwise, given the totals to date.? That would be a monster snow pack.? If, OTOH, it stops snowing mid March and its a warm spring....it'll be a meh..."normal"-ish year that will be quite doable. One upside for this year will be the desert and water availability.? Campo Creek, a proxy for the first several days on trail, started flowing for the first time in a long time in January with the then rains, and is flowing especially strong after the rain earlier in the week.? I felt like a chump carrying enough water to get from one "reliable" source to the next, only to find 3-4 more seasonal sources between there.? But better too much water in the desert than not enough. As for the Sierra, it is difficult, but doable in a big snow year for the properly trained (navigation, ice ax use, stream crossing techniques, etc), properly equipped (ice axe, traction aids, appropriate clothing, maps & data to include bail out routes, etc) and motivated thru hiker.? Walking on sun cupped snow is slow going and physically more demanding that clear trail.? Navigation is more challenging, especially when the trail is snow covered in forest.? One option you have, as you head north from Campo, is to moderate your pace to arrive at Kennedy Meadows at an appropriate point in the melt.? An advantage you have today compared to '06 when I hiked is you will be able to easily track the melt as you go north.? Tools such as the Postholer overlay snow maps didn't exist then.? Taking an extra zero here and there, plus simply going slower between town stops will be an option to manage your arrival date at KM. I headed in from Kennedy Meadow on June 14th - not the earliest, but earlier than many that year.? It was absolutely spectacular.? I wouldn't trade those 12 days getting to VVR (and hiking up Mt. Whitney along the way) for anything.? Met several ill equipped, ill trained, or simply uncomfortable with the conditions people that turned back and headed out.? Wise move on their part. The Sierra in a high snow year is for the prudently bold hiker.? Yeah, I know, sounds like a contradiction.? But consider this:? Others who may turn back have a different measure of "impassable" than you do.? Their threshold may be significantly lower than yours, given skill, gear, etc.? Go forth and see for yourself, don't let the naysayers stop you from at least looking.? Conditions change rapidly.? The story you heard from someone who was there 2 days ago is obsolete given how fast snow melts in middle to late June.? Once you get in there, to a tricky spot that turned back others, only commit though once you carefully evaluate the situation and judge it to be suitable to your standards.? If you let others fear turn you back, you will have than nagging doubt years later, wondering if you could have made it.? OTHO, if you go there, put your own eyeballs on the situation and determine its too much for you, you will have the peace of knowing.? Don't get "Go Fever" and push forward no matter the danger - go fever is what slaughtered the Challenger crew.? Be as dispassionate and objective in your evaluation of conditions as you can be and only go forward when suitable. As physically difficult as the snow walking was, the highest objective danger I experienced was the creek crossings.? Bear Creek was the worst, but others weren't far behind.? A hard post hole through the snow may have bruised me, but Bear Creek bloodied me (and several others I know about) when it knocked us down and sent us tumbling down stream. One thing you should NOT consider:? Don't bother trying to flip-flop anywhere.? There won't be anywhere to flip to.? Nor Cal has even more snow (proportionally) than the Sierra and the snow levels are lower the further north you go - the valleys up in the High Sierra, 8,000 feet, are clear in mid-late June, but 8,000 foot high sections are snow bound by Tahoe and points north.? Oregon and Washington have roughly normal snow packs.? Mid June isn't the time to start a SOBO from Harts Pass or a flip this year. Anyways, enjoy.? Consider yourself lucky that you got a challenging year.? "Winning" a hard & close game is far more satisfying that blowing out a weak opponent. YMMV.? 2 cents.? Opinions are like pie holes, we all have 'em.? This is worth what you paid.? HYOH.? Yadda, yadda, yadda on disclaimers. From mikeflan at att.net Fri Mar 3 19:57:38 2017 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 19:57:38 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? Message-ID: I gather the PCT list is not what it used to be. I just tried to subscribe and it said I am already on the list. Seems like I don't get many posts at all. Mike From bmelvin88 at live.com Fri Mar 3 15:04:40 2017 From: bmelvin88 at live.com (Bethany Melvin) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 21:04:40 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] SNOW In-Reply-To: <033101d293bb$3dd76760$b9863620$@mountaineducation.org> References: <28f801d2930f$9d40ae20$d7c20a60$@mountaineducation.org> <02e601d293b3$a1060100$e3120300$@mountaineducation.org> <033101d293bb$3dd76760$b9863620$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: Hey Ned, I'm considering taking your course. I reviewed the information and have a few questions. I'd like to know what you consider to be creek crossing shoes for starters. Since we'll be wearing boots, I'm guessing maybe a pair of sandals...a sneaker would cover and protect the foot well, but will also add bulk and weight to an already bulky and heavy pack. Thoughts? I've also done some winter mountaineering in the past and always used an ice axe so I'm curious why you require the BD whippet and specifically state "no ice axes." Lastly, is your FB page "Mountain Education, Inc." or something else? I appreciate the feedback! -Bethany Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2017, at 8:12 PM, wrote: > > I know that a lot of the members of the pct-l don?t, but we?ve been posting a lot of very snow-hiking relevant info there to help hikers this summer! > > > > > > Ned Tibbits, Director > > Mountain Education, Inc. > > ned at mountaineducation.org > > > > From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:37 PM > To: Ned Tibbits > Subject: Re: SNOW > > > > No -- I never go onto FB anymore... > > > > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 4:18 PM, > wrote: > > As long as the snowpack is consolidated, of course! I?ve been going over it in May for 35 years and haven?t yet had any big hazards, but you do need to know what you?re doing regarding snow skills and making wise decisions! > > > > Have you been following all our FB posts, Byron? > > > > > > Ned Tibbits, Director > > Mountain Education, Inc. > > ned at mountaineducation.org > > > > From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com ] > Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:14 PM > To: Ned Tibbits > > Subject: Re: SNOW > > > > No way -- are you seriously saying that you can climb over Forester Pass, this year, in MAY?!? > > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:44 PM, > wrote: > > Hi, Byron! > > > > Best thing you could do for your JMT and PCT thru hikes would be to take one of our SAC-7 snow skills courses! Details here? http://mountaineducation.org/snow-advanced-course-sierra-pct-nobo-full-course-description/ > > > > I wish I could have taken one of these trips the spring before my thru hike! Take a look at the dates and let me know what you want to do! > > > > > > Ned Tibbits, Director > > Mountain Education, Inc. > > ned at mountaineducation.org > > > > From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 9:08 PM > To: Ned Tibbits > > Subject: SNOW > > > > Hi Ned, > > > > I'm committed! PCT in 2018, JMT in 2017 > > > > When are this year's courses? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From ned at mountaineducation.org Fri Mar 3 22:38:21 2017 From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 20:38:21 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] SNOW In-Reply-To: References: <28f801d2930f$9d40ae20$d7c20a60$@mountaineducation.org> <02e601d293b3$a1060100$e3120300$@mountaineducation.org> <033101d293bb$3dd76760$b9863620$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: <071601d294a1$27d82d50$778887f0$@mountaineducation.org> Hi, Bethany! Creek crossing shoes need to protect the feet and skin and stay on the foot during nasty crossings. The sole needs to be durable, the upper needs to protect the sides of the foot, and the closure has to be reliable (cord-lock or tie). That's about it. This design is what I'm using at the moment and best demonstrates the design I'm talking about: http://www.cabelas.com/product/BODY-GLOVE-MN-DYNAMO-FORCE/1953364.uts?productVariantId=4022588&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=04037559&rid=20&gclid=CLaympiCvNICFYS1wAod2SwPoQ&gclsrc=aw.ds Self-arrest poles do double duty for the snow hiker, 1. Prevent slip-and-falls by helping maintain your balance (as any pole would do), and 2. Allow you to immediately deploy the self-arrest pick into the snow to stop any sudden tumbles (if you know how). We love the Whippet because it's always ready, in your hand, all the time and it doesn't have a hinged pick. You don't have to know a ton about risk recognition to know when to use it. Great for the summer hiker out on the snow. Much of the snow safety stuff we publish to help hikers can be found here https://www.facebook.com/mountaineducation/ Did that answer your questions? Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org -----Original Message----- From: Bethany Melvin [mailto:bmelvin88 at live.com] Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 1:05 PM To: ned at mountaineducation.org Cc: Byron Nevins ; pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] SNOW Hey Ned, I'm considering taking your course. I reviewed the information and have a few questions. I'd like to know what you consider to be creek crossing shoes for starters. Since we'll be wearing boots, I'm guessing maybe a pair of sandals...a sneaker would cover and protect the foot well, but will also add bulk and weight to an already bulky and heavy pack. Thoughts? I've also done some winter mountaineering in the past and always used an ice axe so I'm curious why you require the BD whippet and specifically state "no ice axes." Lastly, is your FB page "Mountain Education, Inc." or something else? I appreciate the feedback! -Bethany Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2017, at 8:12 PM, wrote: > > I know that a lot of the members of the pct-l don?t, but we?ve been posting a lot of very snow-hiking relevant info there to help hikers this summer! > > > > > > Ned Tibbits, Director > > Mountain Education, Inc. > > ned at mountaineducation.org > > > > From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:37 PM > To: Ned Tibbits > Subject: Re: SNOW > > > > No -- I never go onto FB anymore... > > > > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 4:18 PM, > wrote: > > As long as the snowpack is consolidated, of course! I?ve been going over it in May for 35 years and haven?t yet had any big hazards, but you do need to know what you?re doing regarding snow skills and making wise decisions! > > > > Have you been following all our FB posts, Byron? > > > > > > Ned Tibbits, Director > > Mountain Education, Inc. > > ned at mountaineducation.org > > > > From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com ] > Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:14 PM > To: Ned Tibbits > > Subject: Re: SNOW > > > > No way -- are you seriously saying that you can climb over Forester Pass, this year, in MAY?!? > > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:44 PM, > wrote: > > Hi, Byron! > > > > Best thing you could do for your JMT and PCT thru hikes would be to take one of our SAC-7 snow skills courses! Details here? http://mountaineducation.org/snow-advanced-course-sierra-pct-nobo-full-course-description/ > > > > I wish I could have taken one of these trips the spring before my thru hike! Take a look at the dates and let me know what you want to do! > > > > > > Ned Tibbits, Director > > Mountain Education, Inc. > > ned at mountaineducation.org > > > > From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 9:08 PM > To: Ned Tibbits > > Subject: SNOW > > > > Hi Ned, > > > > I'm committed! PCT in 2018, JMT in 2017 > > > > When are this year's courses? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From efuller at planhike.com Fri Mar 3 23:21:10 2017 From: efuller at planhike.com (Eric) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 21:21:10 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Palomar Mountain/mile #127 In-Reply-To: References: <48086e6c1f512d82b1b037a21e96827b@sendgrids.net> Message-ID: Paint your wagon! Hope to see you again this year!! Hundy Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Dave Fajer wrote: > > So I just replied to Paint YW on PCT-L and this is the personal email > response I get back.....FYI....don't know the sender....looks like PCT-L > issues? > > Coastal > >> On Mar 1, 2017 3:25 PM, "Shara Cruz" wrote: >> >> Intereseting. So should we meet? I am waiting for you to make the first >> move. reply for details .. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From efuller at planhike.com Fri Mar 3 23:23:36 2017 From: efuller at planhike.com (Eric) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 21:23:36 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] SNOW In-Reply-To: References: <28f801d2930f$9d40ae20$d7c20a60$@mountaineducation.org> <02e601d293b3$a1060100$e3120300$@mountaineducation.org> <033101d293bb$3dd76760$b9863620$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: Ned if i didnt have do much snow experience already id be all over your course bro! Stoked your providing it! Think its awesome! Hundy Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Bethany Melvin wrote: > > Hey Ned, I'm considering taking your course. I reviewed the information and have a few questions. > > I'd like to know what you consider to be creek crossing shoes for starters. Since we'll be wearing boots, I'm guessing maybe a pair of sandals...a sneaker would cover and protect the foot well, but will also add bulk and weight to an already bulky and heavy pack. Thoughts? > > I've also done some winter mountaineering in the past and always used an ice axe so I'm curious why you require the BD whippet and specifically state "no ice axes." > > Lastly, is your FB page "Mountain Education, Inc." or something else? > > I appreciate the feedback! > > -Bethany > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 2, 2017, at 8:12 PM, wrote: >> >> I know that a lot of the members of the pct-l don?t, but we?ve been posting a lot of very snow-hiking relevant info there to help hikers this summer! >> >> >> >> >> >> Ned Tibbits, Director >> >> Mountain Education, Inc. >> >> ned at mountaineducation.org >> >> >> >> From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:37 PM >> To: Ned Tibbits >> Subject: Re: SNOW >> >> >> >> No -- I never go onto FB anymore... >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 4:18 PM, > wrote: >> >> As long as the snowpack is consolidated, of course! I?ve been going over it in May for 35 years and haven?t yet had any big hazards, but you do need to know what you?re doing regarding snow skills and making wise decisions! >> >> >> >> Have you been following all our FB posts, Byron? >> >> >> >> >> >> Ned Tibbits, Director >> >> Mountain Education, Inc. >> >> ned at mountaineducation.org >> >> >> >> From: Byron Nevins [mailto:byron.nevins at gmail.com ] >> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:14 PM >> To: Ned Tibbits > >> Subject: Re: SNOW >> >> >> >> No way -- are you seriously saying that you can climb over Forester Pass, this year, in MAY?!? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:44 PM, From carlito at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 23:55:02 2017 From: carlito at gmail.com (carlito at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 21:55:02 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58ba56e6.c641630a.69d7d.75d8@mx.google.com> Although most PCT discussion is now on Facebook, PCT-L is certainly not dead. It still gets a few dozen messages each week. If you're not seeing that many, they?re probably going to a spam folder. Sent from my Windows 10 phone (That's right. I still have one.) From: Mike Flannigan Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 8:12 PM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? I gather the PCT list is not what it used to be. I just tried to subscribe and it said I am already on the list. Seems like I don't get many posts at all. Mike _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From mikeflan at att.net Sat Mar 4 05:44:38 2017 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 05:44:38 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? In-Reply-To: <58ba56e6.c641630a.69d7d.75d8@mx.google.com> References: <58ba56e6.c641630a.69d7d.75d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <575d1a95-6510-2c5f-728a-4d5a9f5502fc@att.net> Thanks for all the responses. Even though the Mailman server said I was already subscribed, somehow it turned the thing back on. It's not coming in as digest version anymore, but I plan to fix that soon. I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but now I am back. Not sure where all those e-mail went to, but not my Spam filter. I just checked that. No PCT over a 2 month period. Mike On 3/3/2017 11:55 PM, carlito at gmail.com wrote: > > Although most PCT discussion is now on Facebook, PCT-L is certainly > not dead. It still gets a few dozen messages each week. If you're not > seeing that many, they?re probably going to a spam folder. > > Sent from my Windows 10 phone (That's right. I still have one.) > > *From: *Mike Flannigan > *Sent: *Friday, March 3, 2017 8:12 PM > *To: *pct-l at backcountry.net > *Subject: *[pct-l] Is This List Dead? > > I gather the PCT list is not what it used to be. > > I just tried to subscribe and it said I am already > > on the list. Seems like I don't get many posts > > at all. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From troopharrison at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 07:28:48 2017 From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 07:28:48 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? In-Reply-To: <58ba56e6.c641630a.69d7d.75d8@mx.google.com> References: <58ba56e6.c641630a.69d7d.75d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The Facebook groups can be helpful but man oh man. There is a lot of immaturity there that you just don't get here. Good ol pct-l :) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2017, at 11:55 PM, wrote: > > Although most PCT discussion is now on Facebook, PCT-L is certainly not dead. It still gets a few dozen messages each week. If you're not seeing that many, they?re probably going to a spam folder. > > > > Sent from my Windows 10 phone (That's right. I still have one.) > > From: Mike Flannigan > Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 8:12 PM > To: pct-l at backcountry.net > Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? > > > I gather the PCT list is not what it used to be. > I just tried to subscribe and it said I am already > on the list. Seems like I don't get many posts > at all. > > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pambryant58 at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 09:03:13 2017 From: pambryant58 at gmail.com (Pamela Bryant) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 07:03:13 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Muir Trail Ranch Message-ID: Hello fellow hikers, I would be interested in hearing your stories of your resupply experience at Muir Trail Ranch in the Sierras. We are considering resupplying there. I know there are other resupply areas near Muir Ranch too. What little I know is that Muir Trail Ranch charges $75. And it has to be packed in a bucket. Question #1. What buckets have you used like from Home Depot or . . . . Are there different sizes. And what are some things/tips I should keep in mind when packing the bucket. Any info would be welcome and appreciated, even if it was in 2000, etc. Question #2. Also if you used a Satellite Phone there, what brand of phone was it and how was your reception? Please reply through list or off line. Thank you! Mucho Gracias, Pam Bryant (trooper-Section hiker) From comrade2u at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 09:23:01 2017 From: comrade2u at yahoo.com (comradeboris) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 15:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Muir Trail Ranch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1442920666.440084.1488640981973@mail.yahoo.com> I did the JMT a couple of years back and used MTR as a resupply station - they were awesome. I hiked in my own stuff because it was easy and I lived close enough to do it and I'm a cheapskate (the gas to drive there and back probably cost more, but the adventure was worth it). Q1 response: Any 5-gallon bucket will do. Restaurants have 'em and perhaps you can get one free from one with whom you have rapport. I got mine at Lowes (same thing as Home Depot's). I got the heavier duty food-grade for its durability. Remember, these are being muled in and bounced about while en route to MTR. So the thicker the better for that aspect. Tips: Just consider what you want NOT spilled, "exploded", or broken in the container and pack it accordingly. Other than that, toss it in and send it. The folks at MTR take their responsibility of your life link splendidly seriously. So once there, your stuff is safe if you packed it safely. No answer to the phone thing...didn't have one/use one. Best wishes, happy trails and all that stuff!?************************ If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. - Mario Andretti From: Pamela Bryant To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 7:03 AM Subject: [pct-l] Muir Trail Ranch Hello fellow hikers, I would be interested in hearing your stories of your resupply experience at Muir Trail Ranch in the Sierras. We are considering resupplying there. I know there are other resupply areas near Muir Ranch too. What little I know is that Muir Trail Ranch charges $75. And it has to be packed in a bucket. Question #1. What buckets have you used like from Home Depot or . . . . Are there different sizes. And what are some things/tips I should keep in mind when packing the bucket. Any info would be welcome and appreciated, even if it was in 2000, etc. Question #2. Also if you used a Satellite Phone there, what brand of phone was it and how was your reception? Please reply through list or off line. Thank you! Mucho Gracias, Pam Bryant (trooper-Section hiker) _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From mikeflan at att.net Sat Mar 4 19:39:20 2017 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 19:39:20 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? In-Reply-To: <6B93D0EF-F2F9-4CB2-A656-AF159BA57879@aol.com> References: <58ba56e6.c641630a.69d7d.75d8@mx.google.com> <575d1a95-6510-2c5f-728a-4d5a9f5502fc@att.net> <6B93D0EF-F2F9-4CB2-A656-AF159BA57879@aol.com> Message-ID: <1119fbbf-f763-69c5-361c-6bad7b55ec4e@att.net> Actually it is alive and well. Maybe 10-20 posts a week - or something like that. I wasn't getting any of the posts, but I tried to subscribe to the Mailman server and it said I was already subscribed. This somehow turned my account back on again. It's not coming in as digest version anymore, but I am getting posts now. I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but I am back on for the moment. Lots of snow pack this year. Mike On 3/4/2017 6:47 PM, Brian Gill wrote: > For some reason I don't receive the list anymore like it was. Numerous categories all listed! I think it's pretty much done > > Brian > >> On Mar 4, 2017, at 3:44 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: >> >> >> Thanks for all the responses. >> >> Even though the Mailman server said I was already subscribed, >> somehow it turned the thing back on. It's not coming in as >> digest version anymore, but I plan to fix that soon. >> >> I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but >> now I am back. Not sure where all those e-mail went to, but >> not my Spam filter. I just checked that. No PCT over a >> 2 month period. >> >> >> Mike >> >> >>> On 3/3/2017 11:55 PM, carlito at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Although most PCT discussion is now on Facebook, PCT-L is certainly not dead. It still gets a few dozen messages each week. If you're not seeing that many, they?re probably going to a spam folder. >>> >>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone (That's right. I still have one.) >>> >>> *From: *Mike Flannigan >>> *Sent: *Friday, March 3, 2017 8:12 PM >>> *To: *pct-l at backcountry.net >>> *Subject: *[pct-l] Is This List Dead? >>> >>> I gather the PCT list is not what it used to be. >>> >>> I just tried to subscribe and it said I am already >>> >>> on the list. Seems like I don't get many posts >>> >>> at all. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Pct-L mailing list >>> >>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> >>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> >>> List Archives: >>> >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> >>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> >>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From melaniekclarke at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 19:44:11 2017 From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com (Melanie Clarke) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 17:44:11 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Muir Trail Ranch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Pamela, Yes, those 5-gallon orange buckets will work just fine for a food drop at Muir Ranch. Since the price is the same, send the biggest bucket you can. It is expensive but they are very organized and it's a convenient halfway point between Kennedy Meadows and Yosemite. There aren't many other good resupply options for about 215 miles. Please note though, they don't open if there is too much snow in the Sierras. They may not be open if you start hiking the PCT too early. They make no guarantees when they will open as it is based on the snow levels. Maybe you can give them a call when you are in Wrightwood or Agua Dulce to see if they're open. Maybe you can send your Wrightwood or Agua Dulce food drop in a bucket and use it to forward some food to Muir Ranch if they are open. I hiked the JMT in August and there was a lot of food in the hiker box, LOTS!!! I regretted paying the fee as it seemed like I could have gotten enough free food. However, there may not be a lot of extra food when the PCT herd goes through in June. Good Luck On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Pamela Bryant wrote: > Hello fellow hikers, I would be interested in hearing your stories of your > resupply experience at Muir Trail Ranch in the Sierras. We are considering > resupplying there. I know there are other resupply areas near Muir Ranch > too. > > What little I know is that Muir Trail Ranch charges $75. And it has to be > packed in a bucket. > > Question #1. What buckets have you used like from Home Depot or . . . . > Are there different sizes. And what are some things/tips I should keep in > mind when packing the bucket. Any info would be welcome and appreciated, > even if it was in 2000, etc. > > Question #2. Also if you used a Satellite Phone there, what brand of phone > was it and how was your reception? > > Please reply through list or off line. Thank you! > > Mucho Gracias, Pam Bryant (trooper-Section hiker) > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From troopharrison at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 10:47:51 2017 From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 10:47:51 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? In-Reply-To: <1119fbbf-f763-69c5-361c-6bad7b55ec4e@att.net> References: <58ba56e6.c641630a.69d7d.75d8@mx.google.com> <575d1a95-6510-2c5f-728a-4d5a9f5502fc@att.net> <6B93D0EF-F2F9-4CB2-A656-AF159BA57879@aol.com> <1119fbbf-f763-69c5-361c-6bad7b55ec4e@att.net> Message-ID: <707A62F0-3903-493A-88F6-783D72F41A26@gmail.com> I'm sorry, I can't remember who the moderator is - just want to make sure you are aware that pornographic images are being sent out. Let me know if there something I need to do. I'm just deleting them. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 4, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > > Actually it is alive and well. Maybe 10-20 posts a week - > or something like that. > > I wasn't getting any of the posts, but I tried to subscribe > to the Mailman server and it said I was already subscribed. > This somehow turned my account back on again. It's not coming > in as digest version anymore, but I am getting posts now. > > I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but > I am back on for the moment. > > Lots of snow pack this year. > > > Mike > > > >> On 3/4/2017 6:47 PM, Brian Gill wrote: >> For some reason I don't receive the list anymore like it was. Numerous categories all listed! I think it's pretty much done >> >> Brian >> >>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 3:44 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thanks for all the responses. >>> >>> Even though the Mailman server said I was already subscribed, >>> somehow it turned the thing back on. It's not coming in as >>> digest version anymore, but I plan to fix that soon. >>> >>> I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but >>> now I am back. Not sure where all those e-mail went to, but >>> not my Spam filter. I just checked that. No PCT over a >>> 2 month period. >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>>> On 3/3/2017 11:55 PM, carlito at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Although most PCT discussion is now on Facebook, PCT-L is certainly not dead. It still gets a few dozen messages each week. If you're not seeing that many, they?re probably going to a spam folder. >>>> >>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone (That's right. I still have one.) >>>> >>>> *From: *Mike Flannigan >>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 3, 2017 8:12 PM >>>> *To: *pct-l at backcountry.net >>>> *Subject: *[pct-l] Is This List Dead? >>>> >>>> I gather the PCT list is not what it used to be. >>>> >>>> I just tried to subscribe and it said I am already >>>> >>>> on the list. Seems like I don't get many posts >>>> >>>> at all. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Pct-L mailing list >>>> >>>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>>> >>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>>> >>>> List Archives: >>>> >>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>>> >>>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>>> >>>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pct-L mailing list >>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> >>> List Archives: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From brick at brickrobbins.com Sun Mar 5 13:06:57 2017 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 12:06:57 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? In-Reply-To: <707A62F0-3903-493A-88F6-783D72F41A26@gmail.com> References: <58ba56e6.c641630a.69d7d.75d8@mx.google.com> <575d1a95-6510-2c5f-728a-4d5a9f5502fc@att.net> <6B93D0EF-F2F9-4CB2-A656-AF159BA57879@aol.com> <1119fbbf-f763-69c5-361c-6bad7b55ec4e@att.net> <707A62F0-3903-493A-88F6-783D72F41A26@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am the admin The offensive images are NOT being sent through the list, but are being sent directly to list members using addresses harvested from list posts. Sorry, there is little that I know to do. If anyone has any suggestions, I would love to hear them On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Sabrina Harrison wrote: > I'm sorry, I can't remember who the moderator is - just want to make sure you are aware that pornographic images are being sent out. > Let me know if there something I need to do. I'm just deleting them. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 4, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: >> >> >> Actually it is alive and well. Maybe 10-20 posts a week - >> or something like that. >> >> I wasn't getting any of the posts, but I tried to subscribe >> to the Mailman server and it said I was already subscribed. >> This somehow turned my account back on again. It's not coming >> in as digest version anymore, but I am getting posts now. >> >> I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but >> I am back on for the moment. >> >> Lots of snow pack this year. >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >>> On 3/4/2017 6:47 PM, Brian Gill wrote: >>> For some reason I don't receive the list anymore like it was. Numerous categories all listed! I think it's pretty much done >>> >>> Brian >>> >>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 3:44 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for all the responses. >>>> >>>> Even though the Mailman server said I was already subscribed, >>>> somehow it turned the thing back on. It's not coming in as >>>> digest version anymore, but I plan to fix that soon. >>>> >>>> I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but >>>> now I am back. Not sure where all those e-mail went to, but >>>> not my Spam filter. I just checked that. No PCT over a >>>> 2 month period. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 3/3/2017 11:55 PM, carlito at gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Although most PCT discussion is now on Facebook, PCT-L is certainly not dead. It still gets a few dozen messages each week. If you're not seeing that many, they?re probably going to a spam folder. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone (That's right. I still have one.) >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Mike Flannigan >>>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 3, 2017 8:12 PM >>>>> *To: *pct-l at backcountry.net >>>>> *Subject: *[pct-l] Is This List Dead? >>>>> >>>>> I gather the PCT list is not what it used to be. >>>>> >>>>> I just tried to subscribe and it said I am already >>>>> >>>>> on the list. Seems like I don't get many posts >>>>> >>>>> at all. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Pct-L mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>>>> >>>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>>>> >>>>> List Archives: >>>>> >>>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>>>> >>>>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>>>> >>>>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pct-L mailing list >>>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>>> >>>> List Archives: >>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From h at hpka.net Sun Mar 5 13:52:09 2017 From: h at hpka.net (Henry Armitage) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 11:52:09 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? In-Reply-To: References: <58ba56e6.c641630a.69d7d.75d8@mx.google.com> <575d1a95-6510-2c5f-728a-4d5a9f5502fc@att.net> <6B93D0EF-F2F9-4CB2-A656-AF159BA57879@aol.com> <1119fbbf-f763-69c5-361c-6bad7b55ec4e@att.net> <707A62F0-3903-493A-88F6-783D72F41A26@gmail.com> Message-ID: The best way to answer "is the list dead" and "am I still getting messages" is usually to check the list archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ On 5 March 2017 at 11:06, Brick Robbins wrote: > I am the admin > > The offensive images are NOT being sent through the list, but are > being sent directly to list members using addresses harvested from > list posts. > > Sorry, there is little that I know to do. If anyone has any > suggestions, I would love to hear them > > > > On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Sabrina Harrison > wrote: > > I'm sorry, I can't remember who the moderator is - just want to make > sure you are aware that pornographic images are being sent out. > > Let me know if there something I need to do. I'm just deleting them. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Mar 4, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > >> > >> > >> Actually it is alive and well. Maybe 10-20 posts a week - > >> or something like that. > >> > >> I wasn't getting any of the posts, but I tried to subscribe > >> to the Mailman server and it said I was already subscribed. > >> This somehow turned my account back on again. It's not coming > >> in as digest version anymore, but I am getting posts now. > >> > >> I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but > >> I am back on for the moment. > >> > >> Lots of snow pack this year. > >> > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 3/4/2017 6:47 PM, Brian Gill wrote: > >>> For some reason I don't receive the list anymore like it was. > Numerous categories all listed! I think it's pretty much done > >>> > >>> Brian > >>> > >>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 3:44 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for all the responses. > >>>> > >>>> Even though the Mailman server said I was already subscribed, > >>>> somehow it turned the thing back on. It's not coming in as > >>>> digest version anymore, but I plan to fix that soon. > >>>> > >>>> I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but > >>>> now I am back. Not sure where all those e-mail went to, but > >>>> not my Spam filter. I just checked that. No PCT over a > >>>> 2 month period. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Mike > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 3/3/2017 11:55 PM, carlito at gmail.com wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Although most PCT discussion is now on Facebook, PCT-L is certainly > not dead. It still gets a few dozen messages each week. If you're not > seeing that many, they?re probably going to a spam folder. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone (That's right. I still have one.) > >>>>> > >>>>> *From: *Mike Flannigan > >>>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 3, 2017 8:12 PM > >>>>> *To: *pct-l at backcountry.net > >>>>> *Subject: *[pct-l] Is This List Dead? > >>>>> > >>>>> I gather the PCT list is not what it used to be. > >>>>> > >>>>> I just tried to subscribe and it said I am already > >>>>> > >>>>> on the list. Seems like I don't get many posts > >>>>> > >>>>> at all. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>> Pct-L mailing list > >>>>> > >>>>> Pct-L at backcountry.net > >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > >>>>> > >>>>> List Archives: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > >>>>> > >>>>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > >>>>> > >>>>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pct-L mailing list > >>>> Pct-L at backcountry.net > >>>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > >>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > >>>> > >>>> List Archives: > >>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > >>>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > >>>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pct-L mailing list > >> Pct-L at backcountry.net > >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > >> > >> List Archives: > >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From richardb10 at live.com Sun Mar 5 22:33:55 2017 From: richardb10 at live.com (Richard Brinkman) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 04:33:55 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? In-Reply-To: References: <58ba56e6.c641630a.69d7d.75d8@mx.google.com> <575d1a95-6510-2c5f-728a-4d5a9f5502fc@att.net> <6B93D0EF-F2F9-4CB2-A656-AF159BA57879@aol.com> <1119fbbf-f763-69c5-361c-6bad7b55ec4e@att.net> <707A62F0-3903-493A-88F6-783D72F41A26@gmail.com> Message-ID: Many thanks for all you do Brick, Truly appreciated! Roadwalker 2015 -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Brick Robbins Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 11:07 AM To: Sabrina Harrison Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is This List Dead? I am the admin The offensive images are NOT being sent through the list, but are being sent directly to list members using addresses harvested from list posts. Sorry, there is little that I know to do. If anyone has any suggestions, I would love to hear them On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Sabrina Harrison wrote: > I'm sorry, I can't remember who the moderator is - just want to make sure you are aware that pornographic images are being sent out. > Let me know if there something I need to do. I'm just deleting them. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 4, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: >> >> >> Actually it is alive and well. Maybe 10-20 posts a week - or >> something like that. >> >> I wasn't getting any of the posts, but I tried to subscribe to the >> Mailman server and it said I was already subscribed. >> This somehow turned my account back on again. It's not coming in as >> digest version anymore, but I am getting posts now. >> >> I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but I am >> back on for the moment. >> >> Lots of snow pack this year. >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >>> On 3/4/2017 6:47 PM, Brian Gill wrote: >>> For some reason I don't receive the list anymore like it was. >>> Numerous categories all listed! I think it's pretty much done >>> >>> Brian >>> >>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 3:44 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for all the responses. >>>> >>>> Even though the Mailman server said I was already subscribed, >>>> somehow it turned the thing back on. It's not coming in as digest >>>> version anymore, but I plan to fix that soon. >>>> >>>> I think I have been off the list for more than 5 months, but now I >>>> am back. Not sure where all those e-mail went to, but not my Spam >>>> filter. I just checked that. No PCT over a >>>> 2 month period. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 3/3/2017 11:55 PM, carlito at gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Although most PCT discussion is now on Facebook, PCT-L is certainly not dead. It still gets a few dozen messages each week. If you're not seeing that many, they?re probably going to a spam folder. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone (That's right. I still have one.) >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Mike Flannigan >>>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 3, 2017 8:12 PM >>>>> *To: *pct-l at backcountry.net >>>>> *Subject: *[pct-l] Is This List Dead? >>>>> >>>>> I gather the PCT list is not what it used to be. >>>>> >>>>> I just tried to subscribe and it said I am already >>>>> >>>>> on the list. Seems like I don't get many posts >>>>> >>>>> at all. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Pct-L mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>>>> >>>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>>>> >>>>> List Archives: >>>>> >>>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>>>> >>>>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>>>> >>>>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pct-L mailing list >>>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>>> >>>> List Archives: >>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pctl at marcusschwartz.com Mon Mar 6 02:44:55 2017 From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 00:44:55 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Muir Trail Ranch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19cb2cee-8d64-cb03-0a5e-1ea2f191b7a7@marcusschwartz.com> A few miscellaneous MTR resupply comments: - There's a standard 5 gallon bucket design that you can get at any number of hardware stores. They'll all work, though note the following caveat: - You need to tape the bucket closed. But, the designs that are printed on some buckets make the tape fall off. The tape sticks to the ink, instead of the bucket, and the ink falls off, so the tape falls off. You end up with the print of the Home Depot Man stuck to your tape, which has now fallen off the bucket. I had this problem with the orange Home Depot bucket. So, I removed the design by sticking and removing tape from all over the artwork. Once the design was removed, tape would stick to the bare orange bucket just fine. - MTR is really serious about closing resupply pick-up at 5PM exactly. If you get there at 5:05 you will not get your resupply until the next day. - When I hiked the JMT in late August to early September, the hiker boxes at MTR were overflowing. When I hiked the PCT and hit MTR on its opening day in late June, they were almost bare. - I don't recommend trying to resupply from the hiker boxes unless you already have some experience with improvising a resupply from poor food choices. It takes some practice to figure out what you can prepare and eat successfully, and what will be enough food. - When I hiked the JMT, I stayed a night at MTR, but I regret it. The tent cabins were way too cold that time of year for me to sleep, even with both beds' sheets on one bed. I would've been much more comfortable in my own tent. It was nice to be able to shower, but that was not worth $170. As for the phone question, I don't know about satellite phones, but I think they have Internet for rent -- you might be able to use skype. They may also rent a phone. I think their website is outdated in this regard. I'm not 100% certain though. -=Marcus On 03/04/2017 05:44 PM, Melanie Clarke wrote: > Hello Pamela, > > Yes, those 5-gallon orange buckets will work just fine for a food drop at > Muir Ranch. Since the price is the same, send the biggest bucket you can. > It is expensive but they are very organized and it's a convenient halfway > point between Kennedy Meadows and Yosemite. There aren't many other good > resupply options for about 215 miles. Please note though, they don't open > if there is too much snow in the Sierras. They may not be open if you > start hiking the PCT too early. They make no guarantees when they will > open as it is based on the snow levels. Maybe you can give them a call > when you are in Wrightwood or Agua Dulce to see if they're open. Maybe you > can send your Wrightwood or Agua Dulce food drop in a bucket and use it to > forward some food to Muir Ranch if they are open. > > I hiked the JMT in August and there was a lot of food in the hiker box, > LOTS!!! I regretted paying the fee as it seemed like I could have gotten > enough free food. However, there may not be a lot of extra food when the > PCT herd goes through in June. > > Good Luck > > On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Pamela Bryant wrote: > >> Hello fellow hikers, I would be interested in hearing your stories of your >> resupply experience at Muir Trail Ranch in the Sierras. We are considering >> resupplying there. I know there are other resupply areas near Muir Ranch >> too. >> >> What little I know is that Muir Trail Ranch charges $75. And it has to be >> packed in a bucket. >> >> Question #1. What buckets have you used like from Home Depot or . . . . >> Are there different sizes. And what are some things/tips I should keep in >> mind when packing the bucket. Any info would be welcome and appreciated, >> even if it was in 2000, etc. >> >> Question #2. Also if you used a Satellite Phone there, what brand of phone >> was it and how was your reception? >> >> Please reply through list or off line. Thank you! >> >> Mucho Gracias, Pam Bryant (trooper-Section hiker) >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From rickrparker at icloud.com Mon Mar 6 20:25:04 2017 From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2017 20:25:04 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Ice Axe Message-ID: <0EA9F81A-4782-4094-803A-90AE8172B64C@icloud.com> Sorry if this is a duplicate post on the List. I am considering shipping and ice axe to Idyllwild then forward to Wrightwood or KM after Fuller Ridge (April 9th or so). I understand I need to pay attention to Idyllwild Ranger for knowledge on a go no go decision to San Jac summit, Fuller Ridge and Black Mtn Trail as alternate. I am considering a couple - Camp USA, Black Diamond and Pretzl. I am 5?8", 165 lbs. and haven?t had an ice axe in my hands since living in the Alps in the late 70s, it was more like a pick axe then. What length and weight is proper that will last me thru the hike? From rsilva9004 at aol.com Mon Mar 6 13:20:28 2017 From: rsilva9004 at aol.com (Richard Silva) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2017 19:20:28 -0000 Subject: [pct-l] Campo to Wrightwood Message-ID: <43DC7AA1-231C-40F6-9C1A-A5EA31015F88@aol.com> Starting trail on April 3rd. Based on projected weather will I need micro spikes to get through snow / ice conditions for the section of trail to Wrightwood. If yes, where should I mail smiles to for pickup. From rsilva9004 at aol.com Mon Mar 6 13:20:29 2017 From: rsilva9004 at aol.com (Richard Silva) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2017 19:20:29 -0000 Subject: [pct-l] Condition of Trails in Desert _ Rain Impact? Message-ID: <864F66A8-4E71-491E-BD39-7A7DAD84474E@aol.com> Any idea how these winter storms have impacted trails in desert section. From logboy at airmail.cc Mon Mar 6 21:47:50 2017 From: logboy at airmail.cc (logboy) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 19:47:50 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Ice Axe In-Reply-To: <0EA9F81A-4782-4094-803A-90AE8172B64C@icloud.com> References: <0EA9F81A-4782-4094-803A-90AE8172B64C@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9b06f41e-8f03-cc49-4159-ec081a5d4410@airmail.cc> I just bought my first ice axe. It is the Camp USA Neve Ice Axe 57cm. I determined the length by measuring from my hanging hand to right above my ankle. Here are some websites that I read. I'm sure someone with actual experience will chime in. https://www.ems.com/ea-how-to-choose-an-ice-axe.html http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Ice-Axe-Reviews/Buying-Advice https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/ice-axe.html On 3/6/2017 6:25 PM, Rick Parker wrote: > Sorry if this is a duplicate post on the List. I am considering shipping and ice axe to Idyllwild then forward to Wrightwood or KM after Fuller Ridge (April 9th or so). I understand I need to pay attention to Idyllwild Ranger for knowledge on a go no go decision to San Jac summit, Fuller Ridge and Black Mtn Trail as alternate. I am considering a couple - Camp USA, Black Diamond and Pretzl. I am 5?8", 165 lbs. and haven?t had an ice axe in my hands since living in the Alps in the late 70s, it was more like a pick axe then. What length and weight is proper that will last me thru the hike? > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From gary_schenk at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 12:41:57 2017 From: gary_schenk at yahoo.com (Gary Schenk) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 18:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] SNOW References: <1164997266.566547.1488912117228.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1164997266.566547.1488912117228@mail.yahoo.com> Doesn't the snow basket prevent a really good self belay? Gary -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3/3/17, ned at mountaineducation.org wrote: Self-arrest poles do double duty for the snow hiker, 1. Prevent slip-and-falls by helping maintain your balance (as any pole would do), and 2. Allow you to immediately deploy the self-arrest pick into the snow to stop any sudden tumbles (if you know how). From ned at mountaineducation.org Tue Mar 7 16:59:58 2017 From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:59:58 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Ice Axe In-Reply-To: <0EA9F81A-4782-4094-803A-90AE8172B64C@icloud.com> References: <0EA9F81A-4782-4094-803A-90AE8172B64C@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1c1801d29796$8bbd6720$a3383560$@mountaineducation.org> Hi, Rick (and Logboy), Regarding ice axe sizing, logboy did just great! Regarding the need for a self-arrest tool, you assume correctly for this year in both SoCal and throughout the PCT, wherever steep snow may be found. You can slip and fall on a patch of steep snow and tumble into a tree, boulders, a creek or lake, or off a cliff up in the PNW, so you should have such a tool in hand whenever on any size of steep snow. Can you identify risk ahead, though? Most thru hikers thoughts during the day are not considering dangers ahead as much as the next hamburger ahead. If you carry an axe, it will be strapped to your pack most of the time until you see a condition ahead that alerts you to stop and assess it before going on. If you don't know how to identify risky snow conditions and situations, you won't be thinking this way and will likely stride on until you slip and fall. Your axe can do you no good strapped to your pack as you tumble down the slope. (I know you guys know I'm going to say this:) However, a self-arrest pole, like the Black Diamond Whippet, is always in your hand and ready to be deployed as a self-arrest tool the moment you slip and fall. All you've got to know how to do is self-arrest reflexively. It's in your hand and not on your back. It helps you maintain your balance so you don't slip and fall. Your arms get used to swinging it. Invented for ski-touring, it is perfect for snow-hiking! It is becoming obvious that PCT thru hikers this year will be walking into steep snow situations in several places in SoCal, so start out with a Whippet and Microspikes. I'm not a fan of chain-designed traction control devices unless you can be certain that you'll be walking in a boot-track, someone else's footprints in the snow on steep traverses, then they're just fine. Did that help? Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Rick Parker Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 6:25 PM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Ice Axe Sorry if this is a duplicate post on the List. I am considering shipping and ice axe to Idyllwild then forward to Wrightwood or KM after Fuller Ridge (April 9th or so). I understand I need to pay attention to Idyllwild Ranger for knowledge on a go no go decision to San Jac summit, Fuller Ridge and Black Mtn Trail as alternate. I am considering a couple - Camp USA, Black Diamond and Pretzl. I am 5?8", 165 lbs. and haven?t had an ice axe in my hands since living in the Alps in the late 70s, it was more like a pick axe then. What length and weight is proper that will last me thru the hike? _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From ned at mountaineducation.org Tue Mar 7 17:03:57 2017 From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 15:03:57 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Campo to Wrightwood In-Reply-To: <43DC7AA1-231C-40F6-9C1A-A5EA31015F88@aol.com> References: <43DC7AA1-231C-40F6-9C1A-A5EA31015F88@aol.com> Message-ID: <1c1c01d29797$1a0d49a0$4e27dce0$@mountaineducation.org> Richard! You're 4 weeks from blast-off. It's still snowing on high elevations in California. After it stops, freeze-thaw cycles will cause it to turn into ice (or at least very crusty). Where will you first hit snow/ice? Probably San Jacinto/Fuller Ridge. Mail your steep snow gear to Idyllwild and keep it from there on. This year you will probably have snow, either solid or patches, all the way to Canada (I did in 1974). Make sense? Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Richard Silva Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 11:24 AM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Campo to Wrightwood Starting trail on April 3rd. Based on projected weather will I need micro spikes to get through snow / ice conditions for the section of trail to Wrightwood. If yes, where should I mail smiles to for pickup. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From HStroh at sjmslaw.com Wed Mar 8 10:49:17 2017 From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 16:49:17 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Ice Axe In-Reply-To: <1c1801d29796$8bbd6720$a3383560$@mountaineducation.org> References: <0EA9F81A-4782-4094-803A-90AE8172B64C@icloud.com> <1c1801d29796$8bbd6720$a3383560$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: Many years ago I was hiking the loop from South Lake to North Lake near Bishop. I can't recall the name of the cross-country pass we were ascending that would take us into North Lake, but near the top the snow broke out from under my feet. I did have an ice axe, but because there was a large dry patch below me I slid for 15 feet into the patch and stopped without needing to self-arrest. It is shocking just how fast you are suddenly moving down sloop after a slip. Had I not been able to stop by one means or another, I would have been shot out into an icy pond way, way below us. This year in particular, thru hikers need to know how to self-arrest so that the technique is reflexive. I used the Whippet hiking the Tetons several years ago. Fair warning, it is heavier than most trekking poles, does not shorten up as easily, and is just a bit more awkward on traditional trail. However, always having it in hand is well worth the trade-off and you do get used to its quirks. Like first aid, one hopes that self-arrest devices turn out to be unnecessary weight. But when needed, they save lives and reduce injury. Herb -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of ned at mountaineducation.org Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 3:00 PM To: 'Rick Parker'; pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ice Axe Hi, Rick (and Logboy), Regarding ice axe sizing, logboy did just great! Regarding the need for a self-arrest tool, you assume correctly for this year in both SoCal and throughout the PCT, wherever steep snow may be found. You can slip and fall on a patch of steep snow and tumble into a tree, boulders, a creek or lake, or off a cliff up in the PNW, so you should have such a tool in hand whenever on any size of steep snow. Can you identify risk ahead, though? Most thru hikers thoughts during the day are not considering dangers ahead as much as the next hamburger ahead. If you carry an axe, it will be strapped to your pack most of the time until you see a condition ahead that alerts you to stop and assess it before going on. If you don't know how to identify risky snow conditions and situations, you won't be thinking this way and will likely stride on until you slip and fall. Your axe can do you no good strapped to your pack as you tumble down the slope. (I know you guys know I'm going to say this:) However, a self-arrest pole, like the Black Diamond Whippet, is always in your hand and ready to be deployed as a self-arrest tool the moment you slip and fall. All you've got to know how to do is self-arrest reflexively. It's in your hand and not on your back. It helps you maintain your balance so you don't slip and fall. Your arms get used to swinging it. Invented for ski-touring, it is perfect for snow-hiking! It is becoming obvious that PCT thru hikers this year will be walking into steep snow situations in several places in SoCal, so start out with a Whippet and Microspikes. I'm not a fan of chain-designed traction control devices unless you can be certain that you'll be walking in a boot-track, someone else's footprints in the snow on steep traverses, then they're just fine. Did that help? Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org From stretchingmsandlupus at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 07:16:40 2017 From: stretchingmsandlupus at yahoo.com (Letitia Hall) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 13:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Campo to Wrightwood In-Reply-To: <1c1c01d29797$1a0d49a0$4e27dce0$@mountaineducation.org> References: <43DC7AA1-231C-40F6-9C1A-A5EA31015F88@aol.com> <1c1c01d29797$1a0d49a0$4e27dce0$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: <553814020.1195462.1488979001002@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Richard? I think you so much for this information this is going to help me a great deal I will write it down manually in a book so I could have with me when I take is there anything else I'd need to know other than the snow and the gear for it I would appreciate it what about food other clothing Sincerely Letitia HallChairmanLupus/MS GalasMS/Lupus Group LeaderStretchingmsandlupus at yahoo.com(702)910-6044 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 6:04 PM, ned at mountaineducation.org wrote: Richard! You're 4 weeks from blast-off. It's still snowing on high elevations in California. After it stops, freeze-thaw cycles will cause it to turn into ice (or at least very crusty). Where will you first hit snow/ice? Probably San Jacinto/Fuller Ridge. Mail your steep snow gear to Idyllwild and keep it from there on. This year you will probably have snow, either solid or patches, all the way to Canada (I did in 1974). Make sense? Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Richard Silva Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 11:24 AM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Campo to Wrightwood Starting trail on April 3rd.? Based on projected weather will I need micro spikes to get through snow / ice conditions for the section of trail to Wrightwood.? If yes, where should I mail smiles to for pickup. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From ned at mountaineducation.org Wed Mar 8 13:10:06 2017 From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 11:10:06 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] SNOW In-Reply-To: <1164997266.566547.1488912117228@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1164997266.566547.1488912117228.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1164997266.566547.1488912117228@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <202701d2983f$99984320$ccc8c960$@mountaineducation.org> Self-arrest poles do not have the lateral strength to be used for self-belay, even if you took off the snow basket in the middle of a traverse. I find that using my two poles to maintain my balance, Whippet in the downhill hand as opposed to an ice axe in the uphill hand, while kicking footholds with crampons on the moderate slopes snow-hikers face (even Forester and Mather) is sufficient and works well. I've also come to the decision that the commonly carried short axes, if used for self-belay on these lower-angle slopes (15-30 degrees), cause hikers to be bent over too much, because the axe shaft has to be completely plunged into the snow to affect the needed anchor, and they compromise their balance in the process causing falls on these steep slopes. Thus, it is better to encourage snow-hikers to stand normally and use their poles for good balance control rather than use an uphill axe for self-belay, causing this bent-over posture, and a pole to oppose gravity on the downhill side. Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Gary Schenk Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 10:42 AM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] SNOW Doesn't the snow basket prevent a really good self belay? Gary -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3/3/17, ned at mountaineducation.org wrote: Self-arrest poles do double duty for the snow hiker, 1. Prevent slip-and-falls by helping maintain your balance (as any pole would do), and 2. Allow you to immediately deploy the self-arrest pick into the snow to stop any sudden tumbles (if you know how). _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From gary_schenk at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 13:19:56 2017 From: gary_schenk at yahoo.com (Gary Schenk) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 19:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] SNOW References: <1689054666.1463438.1489000796810.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1689054666.1463438.1489000796810@mail.yahoo.com> Ned, Interesting. I believe that ability to self-belay is more important that self-arrest. It's better to not fall than to try to self-arrest. Self-arrest is far from being a guaranteed thing. Experts say it works maybe 50% of the time. Of course, Forester Pass is not exactly the Himalayas. Gary -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 3/8/17, ned at mountaineducation.org wrote: Subject: RE: [pct-l] SNOW To: "'Gary Schenk'" , pct-l at backcountry.net Date: Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 11:10 AM Self-arrest poles do not have the lateral strength to be used for self-belay, even if you took off the snow basket in the middle of a traverse. I find that using my two poles to maintain my balance, Whippet in the downhill hand as opposed to an ice axe in the uphill hand, while kicking footholds with crampons on the moderate slopes snow-hikers face (even Forester and Mather) is sufficient and works well. I've also come to the decision that the commonly carried short axes, if used for self-belay on these lower-angle slopes (15-30 degrees), cause hikers to be bent over too much, because the axe shaft has to be completely plunged into the snow to affect the needed anchor, and they compromise their balance in the process causing falls on these steep slopes. Thus, it is better to encourage snow-hikers to stand normally and use their poles for good balance control rather than use an uphill axe for self-belay, causing this bent-over posture, and a pole to oppose gravity on the downhill side. Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Gary Schenk Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 10:42 AM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] SNOW Doesn't the snow basket prevent a really good self belay? Gary -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3/3/17, ned at mountaineducation.org wrote: Self-arrest poles do double duty for the snow hiker, 1. Prevent slip-and-falls by helping maintain your balance (as any pole? would do), and? 2. Allow you to immediately? deploy the self-arrest pick into the snow to stop any sudden? tumbles (if you know how). _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From nobohiker at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 20:20:27 2017 From: nobohiker at gmail.com (NoBo Hiker) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 18:20:27 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Muir Trail Ranch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Q1: For some reason they had an exorbitant amount of excess peanut butter and oat meal when I came through last July, all other items were hit and miss. Q2: I recall there is good cellular coverage a few miles up the trail @Mile 872 (Bear Creek) with AT&T Happy Trails Section Hiker Rick > On Mar 4, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Pamela Bryant wrote: > > Hello fellow hikers, I would be interested in hearing your stories of your > resupply experience at Muir Trail Ranch in the Sierras. We are considering > resupplying there. I know there are other resupply areas near Muir Ranch > too. > > What little I know is that Muir Trail Ranch charges $75. And it has to be > packed in a bucket. > > Question #1. What buckets have you used like from Home Depot or . . . . > Are there different sizes. And what are some things/tips I should keep in > mind when packing the bucket. Any info would be welcome and appreciated, > even if it was in 2000, etc. > > Question #2. Also if you used a Satellite Phone there, what brand of phone > was it and how was your reception? > > Please reply through list or off line. Thank you! > > Mucho Gracias, Pam Bryant (trooper-Section hiker) > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From reddirt23 at att.net Sun Mar 12 13:37:25 2017 From: reddirt23 at att.net (Stephen Adams) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 11:37:25 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Ice Axe Message-ID: Was it Lamarck Col you were crossing to get down to North Lake ? From HStroh at sjmslaw.com Sun Mar 12 15:53:43 2017 From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:53:43 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Ice Axe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes! Thanks. Herb -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Adams Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:37 AM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ice Axe Was it Lamarck Col you were crossing to get down to North Lake ? _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From kultiras at hotmail.com Mon Mar 13 05:35:57 2017 From: kultiras at hotmail.com (Mark Donohoe) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:35:57 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just wondering if everyone's been getting their permits or if they are atill coming. I'm leaving 3/31 and contacted pcta by email to check but with no response. I'll give them a call when it gets closer but just wondering if anyone knows if it's just that they are swamped with the large number this year or what. ________________________________ From: Pct-L on behalf of pct-l-request at backcountry.net Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 9:25:24 PM To: Kultiras at hotmail.com Subject: Welcome to the "Pct-L" mailing list (Digest mode) Welcome to the Pct-L at backcountry.net mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: pct-l at backcountry.net General information about the mailing list is at: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l The rules of PCT-L are pretty simple. 1 - "Be polite" 2 - "Keep your posts generally ON TOPIC, which means about the PCT" 3 - No "the PCT should be opened to bikes" posts. The PCT is a hiking and equestrian trail, and should stay that way. The Admin is pretty lax with the second, not so lax with the first and absolutely won't tolerate violation of the third. If you don't know what polite means, you should have paid more attention to you mother. Reasonable commercial posts are allowed, for example PCT related services, gear for sale, etc. Just don't repeat them very often. A few things that may or may not interest you 1 - Spammers have figured out how to sign up for the list, so all new members are moderated until they have posted at least one PCT related post. This means if you are new to the list, your first post may take a while to show up, especially if the admin is out hiking. 2 - If the admin thinks you have broken the rules you will get a PRIVATE email, and your posts will be moderated for a while. If you participated in a thread that later became a flame war, you may be moderated even if you didn't participate; the admin has reasons for doing this, so don't get pissed off or offended: it's only a mailing list. All moderation does is slow down the delivery of your message. 3 - The admin's word is final - there is no room for debate. 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This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. From troopharrison at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 19:59:24 2017 From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:59:24 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh man. I got mine right away - and I did call a couple of times to ask a question and got a real person on the phone right away. That does sound a little strange. Best of luck to you. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 13, 2017, at 5:35 AM, Mark Donohoe wrote: > > > Just wondering if everyone's been getting their permits or if they are atill coming. I'm leaving 3/31 and contacted pcta by email to check but with no response. I'll give them a call when it gets closer but just wondering if anyone knows if it's just that they are swamped with the large number this year or what. > > ________________________________ > From: Pct-L on behalf of pct-l-request at backcountry.net > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 9:25:24 PM > To: Kultiras at hotmail.com > Subject: Welcome to the "Pct-L" mailing list (Digest mode) > > Welcome to the Pct-L at backcountry.net mailing list! > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > pct-l at backcountry.net > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > The rules of PCT-L are pretty simple. 1 - "Be polite" 2 - "Keep your > posts generally ON TOPIC, which means about the PCT" 3 - No "the PCT > should be opened to bikes" posts. The PCT is a hiking and equestrian > trail, and should stay that way. > > The Admin is pretty lax with the second, not so lax with the first and > absolutely won't tolerate violation of the third. If you don't know > what polite means, you should have paid more attention to you mother. > > Reasonable commercial posts are allowed, for example PCT related > services, gear for sale, etc. Just don't repeat them very often. > > A few things that may or may not interest you 1 - Spammers have > figured out how to sign up for the list, so all new members are > moderated until they have posted at least one PCT related post. This > means if you are new to the list, your first post may take a while to > show up, especially if the admin is out hiking. > > 2 - If the admin thinks you have broken the rules you will get a > PRIVATE email, and your posts will be moderated for a while. 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It is none of your business. > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > subscription page at: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/options/pct-l/kultiras%40hotmail.com > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > Pct-L-request at backcountry.net > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > tennis > > Normally, Mailman will remind you of your backcountry.net mailing list > passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you > prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to > unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on > your options page that will email your current password to you. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From rickrparker at icloud.com Mon Mar 13 20:38:39 2017 From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:38:39 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) Message-ID: I got mine right on 2/15 for my 4/1 date. I applied promptly when PCTA opened applications. From kultiras at hotmail.com Mon Mar 13 21:15:20 2017 From: kultiras at hotmail.com (Mark Donohoe) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 02:15:20 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks for the help guys. It occurred to me i might have missed it in the spam and it got deleted which is why i emailed them. The status has said approved for weeks so not worried there. I'll give them a call tomorrow morning From brick at brickrobbins.com Mon Mar 13 22:23:04 2017 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:23:04 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] I went out to Scissors Crossing yesterday Message-ID: I went out to Scissors Crossing yesterday lots of water in the Cache, and ran into both Thrus and Section hikers. https://goo.gl/photos/yGusUkEtfC2V1YzDA Julian is welcoming hikers too https://goo.gl/photos/aqpy33pSSxvNuaTq7 From rickrparker at icloud.com Tue Mar 14 15:52:04 2017 From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:52:04 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] Poodle Dog Bush Message-ID: <0F0C3FB0-01DB-45EE-9151-4E4E146E02ED@icloud.com> If one was going to carry a suave or ointment for temporary relief of PDB symptoms, what would you carry from the OTC or ask my Doctor to prescribe until one could get to a local trail doctor or ER? From comrade2u at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 17:03:04 2017 From: comrade2u at yahoo.com (comradeboris) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Poodle Dog Bush In-Reply-To: <0F0C3FB0-01DB-45EE-9151-4E4E146E02ED@icloud.com> References: <0F0C3FB0-01DB-45EE-9151-4E4E146E02ED@icloud.com> Message-ID: <706957988.234335.1489528984195@mail.yahoo.com> What's PDB??************************ If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. - Mario Andretti From: Rick Parker To: pct-l at backcountry.net Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:52 PM Subject: [pct-l] Poodle Dog Bush If one was going to carry a suave or ointment for temporary relief of PDB symptoms, what would you carry from the OTC or ask my Doctor to prescribe until one could get to a local trail doctor or ER? _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. 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From nobohiker at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 22:43:11 2017 From: nobohiker at gmail.com (NoBo Hiker) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:43:11 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Poodle Dog Bush In-Reply-To: <706957988.234335.1489528984195@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0F0C3FB0-01DB-45EE-9151-4E4E146E02ED@icloud.com> <706957988.234335.1489528984195@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eriodictyon_parryi Note that not everyone is showing a reaction to PDB - I have been hiking through plenty of PDB areas over the past years and even touched by accident without any issues whatsoever..YMMV Happy Trails, Rick > On Mar 14, 2017, at 3:03 PM, comradeboris wrote: > > What's PDB? ************************ If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. - Mario Andretti > > From: Rick Parker > To: pct-l at backcountry.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:52 PM > Subject: [pct-l] Poodle Dog Bush > > If one was going to carry a suave or ointment for temporary relief of PDB symptoms, what would you carry from the OTC or ask my Doctor to prescribe until one could get to a local trail doctor or ER? > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From gary_schenk at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 09:00:50 2017 From: gary_schenk at yahoo.com (Gary Schenk) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Packing It Out References: <1902485482.2194098.1489759250949.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1902485482.2194098.1489759250949@mail.yahoo.com> >From the Banff Film Festival Tour this year: https://vimeo.com/173853201 At 1:40 or so is particularly poignant. Gary From tokencivilian at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 11:22:17 2017 From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com (Barry Teschlog) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Long term parking in Mammoth References: <906197353.524161.1489854137987.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <906197353.524161.1489854137987@mail.yahoo.com> So I working details of a section hike and need to leave a vehicle in Mammoth for about 3 weeks or so. Does anyone have long term parking options for Mammoth that don't cost an arm and a leg? ? I'd like to avoid the Mammoth / Yosemite airport if possible - $8 a day is a bit steep. From dofdear at cox.net Sat Mar 18 12:26:17 2017 From: dofdear at cox.net (Dan C. aka Thumper) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:26:17 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Long term parking in Mammoth Message-ID: <20170318132617.7UB2K.131805.imail@fed1rmwml107> Barry, My recollection is that there is parking along Hwy 203 near the ski area and close to where you can catch the shuttle down to Agnew and/or Red Meadows. Call Mammoth Mountain Ski Area,10400 Minaret Rd, Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546, Phone: (760) 934-2581 Good Luck, Thumper aka dofdear From comrade2u at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 12:32:14 2017 From: comrade2u at yahoo.com (Michael Volkov) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:32:14 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Skiing Message-ID: Hey. Didn't someone post something about skiing part of the PCT once they hit KMS? I think they said they were starting April 2. Who are you? What are you planning for snow conditions recon? Thanks. (NoBo, also starting April 2, with a hopeful delusion of skiing parts N of KMS.) comradeboris ?Sent from TypeApp ? From dofdear at cox.net Sat Mar 18 13:42:25 2017 From: dofdear at cox.net (Dan C. aka Thumper) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 11:42:25 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Long term parking in Mammoth Message-ID: <20170318144225.I9W5D.132058.imail@fed1rmwml107> From: Stephen Clark Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:51:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [pct-l] Long term parking in Mammoth To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" In the past we have parked along Minaret Rd (route 203) just east of Mammoth Mountain Lodge for a couple of weeks at a time while hiking the JMT/PCT in Red's Meadow and Yosemite areas and taken the shuttle from the Main Lodge to Reds Meadow. The shuttle is operated by Eastern Sierra Transit, go here for info: http://www.estransit.com/routes-schedule/seasonal/reds-meadow-shuttle/ The cost is $7 for adults and $4 for children. HYOH Quackers On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Dan C. aka Thumper wrote: > Barry, > > My recollection is that there is parking along Hwy 203 near the ski area > and close to where you can catch the shuttle down to Agnew and/or Red > Meadows. Call Mammoth Mountain Ski Area,10400 Minaret Rd, Mammoth Lakes, > CA 93546, Phone: (760) 934-2581 > > Good Luck, > > Thumper aka dofdear > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From comrade2u at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 15:25:18 2017 From: comrade2u at yahoo.com (comradeboris) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Skiing - again References: <1509320057.3855808.1489868718280.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1509320057.3855808.1489868718280@mail.yahoo.com> If someone from the actual list replied about skiing the Sierra portion of the PCT, please reply again - it went to the spam folder and my finger hit the delete button right when my eyes caught the subject/address lines. Doh! If no one from the real list replied - I guess I got me a really good spam filter! Yay me. Thanks again!(I got one of those spam PCT-list emails in the spam folder only once before and it was one of those mentioned spam emails with the skin content)?************************ If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. - Mario Andretti From HStroh at sjmslaw.com Sun Mar 19 13:25:59 2017 From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:25:59 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Skiing - again In-Reply-To: <1509320057.3855808.1489868718280@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1509320057.3855808.1489868718280.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1509320057.3855808.1489868718280@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think that was John Dittli https://dittli.wordpress.com/tag/john-muir-trail/ He does some fantastic Sierra photography. You can probably contact him through the website, I don't think he regularly reads here. Sometimes he is on the yahoo JMT site. John also posted some very cool video of ice skating 1000 island lake https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=00ZLEqJ_Aak Herb Sent from my iPad On Mar 18, 2017, at 1:29 PM, comradeboris > wrote: If someone from the actual list replied about skiing the Sierra portion of the PCT, please reply again - it went to the spam folder and my finger hit the delete button right when my eyes caught the subject/address lines. Doh! If no one from the real list replied - I guess I got me a really good spam filter! Yay me. Thanks again!(I got one of those spam PCT-list emails in the spam folder only once before and it was one of those mentioned spam emails with the skin content) ************************ If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. - Mario Andretti _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From cwarner747 at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 14:16:57 2017 From: cwarner747 at gmail.com (Carl Warner) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:16:57 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Oregon section Message-ID: Could someone please approximate the earliest I could start a southbound Oregon section hike while avoiding serious snow problems? Thanks From dennis.phelan at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 07:10:14 2017 From: dennis.phelan at gmail.com (dennis.phelan) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 05:10:14 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Oregon section Message-ID: This year is a heavy snow year. ?I am thinking 4th of july. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Carl Warner Date: 3/20/17 12:16 PM (GMT-08:00) To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Oregon section Could someone please approximate the earliest I could start a southbound Oregon section hike while avoiding serious snow problems?? Thanks _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From kenglish at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 09:16:35 2017 From: kenglish at gmail.com (Kevin English) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 07:16:35 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Oregon section In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We are tentatively planning on starting south bound from Crater Laker around July 15. I was just reading the Wilderness Press books and it looks like our first stop would be Ashland which is pretty far out of the way.... but we can mail stuff to Hyatt Lake... @Carl are you only doing the Oregon section? we'll planning on doing 2 months and see if we can get to Yosemite. On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:10 AM, dennis.phelan wrote: > This year is a heavy snow year. I am thinking 4th of july. > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: Carl Warner > Date: 3/20/17 12:16 PM (GMT-08:00) To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: > [pct-l] Oregon section > Could someone please approximate the earliest I could start a southbound > Oregon section hike while avoiding serious snow problems? Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From gjleighton at yahoo.com Tue Mar 21 10:43:20 2017 From: gjleighton at yahoo.com (gil) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Oregon section In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <942017920.319319.1490111000124@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, Not sure on your question about Hyatt Lake, but did want to mention that I will begin in ashland July 24 headed Southbound to the border, that is if the snow gods permit. ?If all goes well our paths may very well cross.Best of luck!!Gil On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:16 AM, Kevin English wrote: We are tentatively planning on starting south bound from Crater Laker around July 15. I was just reading the Wilderness Press books and it looks like our first stop would be Ashland which is pretty far out of the way.... but we can mail stuff to Hyatt Lake... @Carl are you only doing the Oregon section? we'll planning on doing 2 months and see if we can get to Yosemite. On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:10 AM, dennis.phelan wrote: > This year is a heavy snow year.? I am thinking 4th of july. > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: Carl Warner > Date: 3/20/17? 12:16 PM? (GMT-08:00) To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: > [pct-l] Oregon section >? Could someone please approximate the earliest I could start a southbound > Oregon section hike while avoiding serious snow problems?? Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From geraldbking at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 11:21:33 2017 From: geraldbking at gmail.com (Jerry's gmail) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:21:33 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Oregon section In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B4BD6D0-3BD7-47E3-B4AE-180ACBA929CA@gmail.com> Carl, My wild guess would be about July 20, most years I'd say July 5. Certainly people will go earlier but they'll hit plenty of snow in the 6 miles north of Timberline Lodge. FWIW, Jerry > On Mar 20, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Carl Warner wrote: > > Could someone please approximate the earliest I could start a southbound > Oregon section hike while avoiding serious snow problems? Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From dennis.phelan at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 11:24:33 2017 From: dennis.phelan at gmail.com (Dennis Phelan) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:24:33 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Oregon section In-Reply-To: <9B4BD6D0-3BD7-47E3-B4AE-180ACBA929CA@gmail.com> References: <9B4BD6D0-3BD7-47E3-B4AE-180ACBA929CA@gmail.com> Message-ID: For what it is worth, you can eliminate lots of snow if you start at Timberline. On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Jerry's gmail wrote: > Carl, My wild guess would be about July 20, most years I'd say July 5. > Certainly people will go earlier but they'll hit plenty of snow in the 6 > miles north of Timberline Lodge. > FWIW, > Jerry > > > On Mar 20, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Carl Warner wrote: > > > > Could someone please approximate the earliest I could start a southbound > > Oregon section hike while avoiding serious snow problems? Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From ned at mountaineducation.org Tue Mar 21 16:07:02 2017 From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:07:02 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Live Webinar tonight discussing PCT snow and creek concerns! Message-ID: <001001d2a287$16ac4900$4404db00$@mountaineducation.org> Live Webinar tonight on PCT/JMT Snow and Creek Crossing concerns! Matt "Double Tap" Parker of PCT Water Report fame has asked me to join him to talk about Sierra hiker's concerns of snow and creek crossings this summer after such a heavy winter. If you want to ask questions before you leave on your trip or just listen in, please feel free to attend this first webinar intended to thoroughly explain: 1. what the PCT through the Sierra, Oregon, and Washington will look like per month, May to August, 2. what to expect weather-wise, 3. how to safely hike over snow and not get lost, 4. the realistic truth about nasty creek crossings, and 5. the daily logistics of getting over the high sierra passes to reach further removed, less convenient resupply locations this summer. PCT Sierra Live Webinar (Tuesday, March 21st @ 7PM Pacific Time) Date and Time: Tue, Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:00 pm PDT Presentation instructions At the time listed above, click the following link to join: http://pct.enterthemeeting.com/m/T6XKFNYM Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org From ned at mountaineducation.org Tue Mar 21 18:15:01 2017 From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:15:01 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Oregon section In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03ba01d2a298$f7e319b0$e7a94d10$@mountaineducation.org> To "avoid serious snow problems," I would start SoBo later than that. When I did my PCT thru, I hit Crater Lake on July 4th while walking on 3-4 feet of snow after just a "normal" winter. Four weeks later on Mt. Hood, I was still on 2 feet of snow! Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of dennis.phelan Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:10 AM To: Carl Warner ; pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] Oregon section This year is a heavy snow year. I am thinking 4th of july. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Carl Warner Date: 3/20/17 12:16 PM (GMT-08:00) To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Oregon section Could someone please approximate the earliest I could start a southbound Oregon section hike while avoiding serious snow problems? Thanks _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From stefan.popa at gmx.net Wed Mar 22 00:58:45 2017 From: stefan.popa at gmx.net (Stefan Popa) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 06:58:45 +0100 Subject: [pct-l] Live Webinar tonight discussing PCT snow and creek concerns! In-Reply-To: <001001d2a287$16ac4900$4404db00$@mountaineducation.org> References: <001001d2a287$16ac4900$4404db00$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: Hi Ned, will there be any transcript to view or download of this webinar ? I just woke up here in Germany and received your message to pct-l, but it was too late to join the webinar. Thank you for all the information you provide to us. Stefan Am 21.03.2017 um 22:07 schrieb ned at mountaineducation.org: > Live Webinar tonight on PCT/JMT Snow and Creek Crossing concerns! > > > > Matt "Double Tap" Parker of PCT Water Report fame has asked me to join him > to talk about Sierra hiker's concerns of snow and creek crossings this > summer after such a heavy winter. > > > > If you want to ask questions before you leave on your trip or just listen > in, please feel free to attend this first webinar intended to thoroughly > explain: > > > > 1. what the PCT through the Sierra, Oregon, and Washington will look like > per month, May to August, > > 2. what to expect weather-wise, > > 3. how to safely hike over snow and not get lost, > > 4. the realistic truth about nasty creek crossings, and > > 5. the daily logistics of getting over the high sierra passes to reach > further removed, less convenient resupply locations this summer. > > > > PCT Sierra Live Webinar (Tuesday, March 21st @ 7PM Pacific Time) > > > > Date and Time: Tue, Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:00 pm PDT > > Presentation instructions > > At the time listed above, click the following link to join: > > 6XKFNYM&h=ATPAhgz1pDxTmLnnWj-7q1YLo_czMx5IHNF610Eyk7h5DT04frcFzFlBH3ndjMHeoO > CnOQaLpegb_tHQv1mEfPrrDT0zu8X7UxyM_AwZW9T6n-t9BuNNEGPCQ3KoaYqW-l7owQ> > http://pct.enterthemeeting.com/m/T6XKFNYM > > > > > > Ned Tibbits, Director > > Mountain Education, Inc. > > ned at mountaineducation.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From jotwg at yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 02:41:03 2017 From: jotwg at yahoo.com (J) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:41:03 +0100 Subject: [pct-l] Live Webinar tonight discussing PCT snow and creek concerns! In-Reply-To: References: <001001d2a287$16ac4900$4404db00$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: +1 cheers J?rg > Am 22.03.2017 um 06:58 schrieb Stefan Popa : > > Hi Ned, > > will there be any transcript to view or download of this webinar ? > > I just woke up here in Germany and received your message to pct-l, but it was too late to join the webinar. > > Thank you for all the information you provide to us. > > Stefan > > >> Am 21.03.2017 um 22:07 schrieb ned at mountaineducation.org: >> Live Webinar tonight on PCT/JMT Snow and Creek Crossing concerns! >> >> >> Matt "Double Tap" Parker of PCT Water Report fame has asked me to join him >> to talk about Sierra hiker's concerns of snow and creek crossings this >> summer after such a heavy winter. >> >> >> If you want to ask questions before you leave on your trip or just listen >> in, please feel free to attend this first webinar intended to thoroughly >> explain: >> >> >> 1. what the PCT through the Sierra, Oregon, and Washington will look like >> per month, May to August, >> >> 2. what to expect weather-wise, >> >> 3. how to safely hike over snow and not get lost, >> >> 4. the realistic truth about nasty creek crossings, and >> >> 5. the daily logistics of getting over the high sierra passes to reach >> further removed, less convenient resupply locations this summer. >> >> >> PCT Sierra Live Webinar (Tuesday, March 21st @ 7PM Pacific Time) >> >> >> Date and Time: Tue, Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:00 pm PDT >> >> Presentation instructions >> >> At the time listed above, click the following link to join: >> > 6XKFNYM&h=ATPAhgz1pDxTmLnnWj-7q1YLo_czMx5IHNF610Eyk7h5DT04frcFzFlBH3ndjMHeoO >> CnOQaLpegb_tHQv1mEfPrrDT0zu8X7UxyM_AwZW9T6n-t9BuNNEGPCQ3KoaYqW-l7owQ> >> http://pct.enterthemeeting.com/m/T6XKFNYM >> >> >> >> Ned Tibbits, Director >> >> Mountain Education, Inc. >> >> ned at mountaineducation.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From olthof.samantha at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 07:19:31 2017 From: olthof.samantha at gmail.com (Samantha O) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:19:31 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Live Webinar tonight discussing PCT snow and creek concerns! In-Reply-To: References: <001001d2a287$16ac4900$4404db00$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: I am also hoping that there might be an after-the-fact video link for those of us in a timezone to inconvenient to attend? On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 3:41 AM, J wrote: > +1 > > cheers > J?rg > > > Am 22.03.2017 um 06:58 schrieb Stefan Popa : > > > > Hi Ned, > > > > will there be any transcript to view or download of this webinar ? > > > > I just woke up here in Germany and received your message to pct-l, but > it was too late to join the webinar. > > > > Thank you for all the information you provide to us. > > > > Stefan > > > > > >> Am 21.03.2017 um 22:07 schrieb ned at mountaineducation.org: > >> Live Webinar tonight on PCT/JMT Snow and Creek Crossing concerns! > >> > >> > >> Matt "Double Tap" Parker of PCT Water Report fame has asked me to join > him > >> to talk about Sierra hiker's concerns of snow and creek crossings this > >> summer after such a heavy winter. > >> > >> > >> If you want to ask questions before you leave on your trip or just > listen > >> in, please feel free to attend this first webinar intended to thoroughly > >> explain: > >> > >> > >> 1. what the PCT through the Sierra, Oregon, and Washington will look > like > >> per month, May to August, > >> > >> 2. what to expect weather-wise, > >> > >> 3. how to safely hike over snow and not get lost, > >> > >> 4. the realistic truth about nasty creek crossings, and > >> > >> 5. the daily logistics of getting over the high sierra passes to reach > >> further removed, less convenient resupply locations this summer. > >> > >> > >> PCT Sierra Live Webinar (Tuesday, March 21st @ 7PM Pacific Time) > >> > >> > >> Date and Time: Tue, Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:00 pm PDT > >> > >> Presentation instructions > >> > >> At the time listed above, click the following link to join: > >> %2Fm%2FT > >> 6XKFNYM&h=ATPAhgz1pDxTmLnnWj-7q1YLo_czMx5IHNF610Eyk7h5DT04frcFzFlB > H3ndjMHeoO > >> CnOQaLpegb_tHQv1mEfPrrDT0zu8X7UxyM_AwZW9T6n-t9BuNNEGPCQ3KoaYqW-l7owQ> > >> http://pct.enterthemeeting.com/m/T6XKFNYM > >> > >> > >> > >> Ned Tibbits, Director > >> > >> Mountain Education, Inc. > >> > >> ned at mountaineducation.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pct-L mailing list > >> Pct-L at backcountry.net > >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > >> > >> List Archives: > >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. -- -- Samantha Olthof olthof.samantha at gmail.com From brick at brickrobbins.com Wed Mar 22 08:39:13 2017 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:39:13 +0100 Subject: [pct-l] Live Webinar tonight discussing PCT snow and creek concerns! In-Reply-To: References: <001001d2a287$16ac4900$4404db00$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Samantha O wrote: > I am also hoping that there might be an after-the-fact video link for those > of us in a timezone to inconvenient to attend? The web service that hosted this meeting has a "free" and a "paid" versions. If they were using the "free" version, which I suspect they were, there is no recording, unless of course they were using one of the "14 days free" starter plans. Only Double Tap knows. See: http://enterthemeeting.com/ From carlito at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 12:41:59 2017 From: carlito at gmail.com (Carl Siechert) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:41:59 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Live Webinar tonight discussing PCT snow and creek concerns! In-Reply-To: References: <001001d2a287$16ac4900$4404db00$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: Double Tap posted video recordings of the first two webinars at https://pctwater.com/ and I assume he'll post this one there too, along with his slide deck. But if you can't wait, he's already got last night's seminar on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-n4hwOqxJE On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Brick Robbins wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Samantha O > wrote: > > I am also hoping that there might be an after-the-fact video link for > those > > of us in a timezone to inconvenient to attend? > > The web service that hosted this meeting has a "free" and a "paid" > versions. > > If they were using the "free" version, which I suspect they were, > there is no recording, unless of course they were using one of the "14 > days free" starter plans. Only Double Tap knows. > > See: > http://enterthemeeting.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From ned at mountaineducation.org Wed Mar 22 13:51:13 2017 From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 11:51:13 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Live Webinar tonight discussing PCT snow and creek concerns! In-Reply-To: References: <001001d2a287$16ac4900$4404db00$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: <0b1901d2a33d$47c570a0$d75051e0$@mountaineducation.org> Here is the YouTube link to the PCT/JMT snow and creek safety webinar held last night. There will be another one for those in distant time zones this next Monday morning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-n4hwOqxJE Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Brick Robbins Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:39 AM To: PCT L. Subject: Re: [pct-l] Live Webinar tonight discussing PCT snow and creek concerns! On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Samantha O wrote: > I am also hoping that there might be an after-the-fact video link for > those of us in a timezone to inconvenient to attend? The web service that hosted this meeting has a "free" and a "paid" versions. If they were using the "free" version, which I suspect they were, there is no recording, unless of course they were using one of the "14 days free" starter plans. Only Double Tap knows. See: http://enterthemeeting.com/ _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pctl at marcusschwartz.com Thu Mar 23 01:54:16 2017 From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 23:54:16 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Tons of questions In-Reply-To: <56F5C446.8010901@marcusschwartz.com> References: <56F5C446.8010901@marcusschwartz.com> Message-ID: <644fcd3e-620b-48ad-b11b-101615a59d4c@marcusschwartz.com> Hi Everyone, Last year, I wrote these questions to the PCT-L in anticipation of my 2016 hike, and received many excellent answers. Now, it's that time of year for the class of 2017, and I've finished my hike, so I thought I'd write my own answers to these questions. I bet there are other first-time thru-hikers with the same questions I had, so hopefully they'll come across this post. Without further ado, here's the original email, with my answers interspersed: 03/25/2016 04:05 PM: > Hi PCT-L, [...] > So here's the slew of questions: > > 1. On the JMT, it seemed like MTR was the obvious place to resupply, > since it's the last point (southbound) that's close to the trail, until > Whitney Portal / Lone Pine. But, it seems like most PCT thru-hikers > skip MTR and resupply at VVR or Red's Meadow, making that long stretch a > couple days longer. Why? Or am I wrong about PCT hikers skipping MTR? Resupplying at MTR takes a lot of planning (they have strict shipment guidelines, shipping takes a long time, and they're strict about when you can pick it up). Trying to plan resupplies way in advance doesn't work very well. It was hard to predict what I'd want to eat, and how much of it. Buying my food for the next few days in person was always preferable. So, I resupplied south of MTR at Independence (via Kearsarge Pass) and north of MTR at Mammoth (via Red's Meadow), for a carry of about 125 miles. That's not a whole lot worse than the standard JMT stretch from MTR to Whitney Portal. The Kearsarge detour was scenic enough to be worthwhile in its own right. And, Mammoth is a full-sized town with proper outdoor supply stores -- I was able to replace my worn-out shoes there with just the right model. I think MTR is so popular for JMT hikers because they're finishing in Whitney Portal (which is north of Independence). Whitney Portal's a fine place to go home from, but not good for a resupply. > 2. I've never hitchhiked before. Is there any etiquette I should know > about, e.g. are hitchhikers expected to pay for gas? I offered to pay a few times, but nobody was ever interested. Mostly just smile, be cheerful, and have a conversation. Nobody picks up hitchhikers for the money, so far as I can tell. > 3. Is it usually easy to get change for a coin shower, or should I carry > quarters? Some way of getting quarters almost always seems to materialize. The Camp Host will often make change, if you're at a paid campsite (which is usually where coin showers are). However, I avoided coin showers when possible, for a few reasons: A. I might run out of time while soapy. B. Getting soap and shampoo was sometimes time-consuming or impossible. C. Getting a proper towel was usually impossible. D. Tiny pack towels mean you'll be really cold for a while while you sloooowly dry off. Then, you'll have to dry out and carry a piece of gear that's saturated with scented toiletries. This can attract animals to your pack at night. > 4. Resupplying at Walker Pass on 178 seems really hard, but necessary if > I'm going to avoid 7+ days between resupplies. I've looked at a few > options, and none look very good: Getting friends/family to pick me up > (they live far away), taking the Kern County bus (it runs infrequently), > arranging taxi ride (very expensive), or hitchhiking (I think it's a > fast, little-used stretch of highway?). Are there any options I overlooked? There's a lot of trail angeling here. Otherwise, the bus is probably your best bet. This can also be a good place to call in close friends/family, since they haven't seen you for about a month now (and, they can drive you to Ridgecrest, which has much better supplies than Lake Isabella). > 5. Does leaving the rain fly off of a double-wall tent cause, or prevent > condensation? This is an eternal question. It's definitely a whole lot warmer with the fly on, though, and that was always the primary concern. I ended up pitching my rain fly on all but a handful of nights. > 6. If you mail a resupply package or bounce box for general delivery, > but aren't able to pick it up, what happens? E.g. suppose my bounce box > gets held up in the mail, and I'm days past the post office by the time > it's finally delivered? And, what if the destination is not a post office? This never happened to me. But, my understanding is: If it's a post office, and you shipped via Priority Mail, you can request that it be redirected to a different address. If it's not a post office, they keep it. > 7. On the Class of 2006 PCT DVD, it looked like people might've been > carrying bear cans in their packs in Washington (at least, it looked > like there was something large and cylindrical inside their packs). I > was under the impression that people normally carry bear cans only from > Kennedy Meadows to Sonora Pass. Are they necessary (or realistically > advisable) anywhere else? I only saw a few thru-hikers who used bear canisters outside the Sierras. > 8. In areas where bear cans aren't required, do people do bear bag > hangs? If so, for the whole trail, or only certain sections? Which? I didn't see a single proper bear hang anywhere on the trail. The most common food storage method was to keep it inside an Opsak, inside your backpack, and either keep your backpack in your vestibule or your tent. > 9. Is it possible to rent microspikes or crampons? I don't have any > plans to use them beyond this trip, so I'd rather not buy them. But, I > haven't been able to find any sites that rent them by mail, like how you > can rent bear cans. I didn't find any. I suggested it to Wild Ideas, and they pointed out that people might worry about the reliability of used safety gear. I could definitely see people abusing rented Microspikes (e.g. not bothering to take them off on the rocks). > 10. I've read advice that you don't really need more raingear than a > poncho, because your legs can get cold with no problems, and your feet > will get wet no matter what you do. So, I tried to test this during a > rainstorm a few weeks ago, by hiking about 4 hours in a DriDucks poncho > and REI Sahara outfit, with a loaded backpack. I got sick, and am still > coughing. It rained about an inch, the temperature was in the high 40s > F, and wind gusts were about 50MPH. What should I have done differently > to handle that kind of weather? Used more insulation under the poncho? > Added rain pants or high gaiters? Stayed home? I clung to that poncho for most of the trail. It was about as useful as carrying a brick (well, an 8 ounce brick). Mainly I used it as town clothes while I was doing laundry, and it was inadequate for that too. When it finally did rain in earnest, I got really cold, because the sleeves don't cover forearms (I walked many miles with my arms curled up like a T-Rex to keep warm). And, the giant arm holes let in lots of wind and rain. I bought a proper rain jacket near Snoqualmie (some kind of Outdoor Research Pertex jacket), and it was a godsend. Not only did it keep me much drier when the weather was rainy, it made me realize that wearing raingear as a windbreaker is tremendously useful in weather that's not rainy but is chilly. I wished I'd started the trail with this. I never got rain pants, but by Northern Washington I probably should have. Having soaked legs was really cold at times, and several times I found myself in situations where I'd certainly get dangerously cold if I stopped moving. I was the only person I saw at the Northern Terminus that didn't have rain pants on. > 11. The 2014 PCT DVD shows what looks like an abandoned wrecking ball at > Sunrise Trailhead. Does anyone know the story behind that? There's > also an abandoned wrecking ball in Henry W Coe Park -- are wrecking > balls in the wilderness a thing?? Another eternal mystery... Seriously, I don't know what the deal is, and I'm still wondering. Since then, I've seen another one by the roadside in a rural area. > Thanks again, I'd appreciate answers to any of the above. > > -=Marcus > From cklaborde at earthlink.net Wed Mar 22 13:38:03 2017 From: cklaborde at earthlink.net (Christopher LaBorde) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 11:38:03 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Live Webinar tonight discussing PCT snow and creek concerns! In-Reply-To: <001001d2a287$16ac4900$4404db00$@mountaineducation.org> References: <001001d2a287$16ac4900$4404db00$@mountaineducation.org> Message-ID: <005d01d2a33b$7176ba50$54642ef0$@earthlink.net> Was this webinar recorded or iks there any way to view it post-presentation? -Christopher LaBorde -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of ned at mountaineducation.org Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:07 PM To: pct-l at backcountry.net; johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com Subject: [pct-l] Live Webinar tonight discussing PCT snow and creek concerns! Live Webinar tonight on PCT/JMT Snow and Creek Crossing concerns! Matt "Double Tap" Parker of PCT Water Report fame has asked me to join him to talk about Sierra hiker's concerns of snow and creek crossings this summer after such a heavy winter. If you want to ask questions before you leave on your trip or just listen in, please feel free to attend this first webinar intended to thoroughly explain: 1. what the PCT through the Sierra, Oregon, and Washington will look like per month, May to August, 2. what to expect weather-wise, 3. how to safely hike over snow and not get lost, 4. the realistic truth about nasty creek crossings, and 5. the daily logistics of getting over the high sierra passes to reach further removed, less convenient resupply locations this summer. PCT Sierra Live Webinar (Tuesday, March 21st @ 7PM Pacific Time) Date and Time: Tue, Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:00 pm PDT Presentation instructions At the time listed above, click the following link to join: http://pct.enterthemeeting.com/m/T6XKFNYM Ned Tibbits, Director Mountain Education, Inc. ned at mountaineducation.org _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rickrparker at icloud.com Thu Mar 23 10:55:44 2017 From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:55:44 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] Agua Dulce Fire Restriction Message-ID: As I am about to launch out in a few days, knowing the status of the burn would help me plan food and other necessary expectations. I have heard lots of conjecture from the nice folks at KOA, trail gorillas and some more cavalier than I am that it is no problem to hike the restriction area. I can?t seem to get the right resources to talk from the Mojave/Santa Clara Ranger/Forest folks - understanding that they are busy and likely don?t fly a desk all day. I appreciate that the PCTA won?t post until it is absolutely open or have something in writing for the agencies. It seems to me the Lake Fire, Blue Cut and Diablo fire were all open ?shortly? after the burns - all totally different soils and foliage etc. So does anyone have any experience for an old guy like me to expect it to be open on say April 20th or so. Otherwise it looks like the Angeles Crest Hwy or Aliso Canyon Road is the walkout. Perhaps difficult to hitch. Trail Angels? Thank you in advance Rick From baidarker at gmail.com Thu Mar 23 11:19:49 2017 From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:19:49 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Tons of questions In-Reply-To: <644fcd3e-620b-48ad-b11b-101615a59d4c@marcusschwartz.com> References: <56F5C446.8010901@marcusschwartz.com> <644fcd3e-620b-48ad-b11b-101615a59d4c@marcusschwartz.com> Message-ID: Great questions and great answers! The learning curve on a long trail is amazing. By the end of it, the degree of knowledge gained is fantastic. Part of why a person finishes is because of the changes they make along the trail. Flexibility, adaptability, the willingness to learn, and willingness to change as you go, are all key ingredients to a long distance hiker, and that first trail is where it gets dialed in. The learning never stops, but it gets pretty solid by the end of the PCT. Big congratulations on completing! Shroomer On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Town Food wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Last year, I wrote these questions to the PCT-L in anticipation of my > 2016 hike, and received many excellent answers. > > Now, it's that time of year for the class of 2017, and I've finished my > hike, so I thought I'd write my own answers to these questions. I bet > there are other first-time thru-hikers with the same questions I had, so > hopefully they'll come across this post. > > Without further ado, here's the original email, with my answers > interspersed: > > 03/25/2016 04:05 PM: > > Hi PCT-L, > [...] > > So here's the slew of questions: > > > > 1. On the JMT, it seemed like MTR was the obvious place to resupply, > > since it's the last point (southbound) that's close to the trail, until > > Whitney Portal / Lone Pine. But, it seems like most PCT thru-hikers > > skip MTR and resupply at VVR or Red's Meadow, making that long stretch a > > couple days longer. Why? Or am I wrong about PCT hikers skipping MTR? > > Resupplying at MTR takes a lot of planning (they have strict shipment > guidelines, shipping takes a long time, and they're strict about when > you can pick it up). Trying to plan resupplies way in advance doesn't > work very well. It was hard to predict what I'd want to eat, and how > much of it. Buying my food for the next few days in person was always > preferable. > > So, I resupplied south of MTR at Independence (via Kearsarge Pass) and > north of MTR at Mammoth (via Red's Meadow), for a carry of about 125 > miles. That's not a whole lot worse than the standard JMT stretch from > MTR to Whitney Portal. > > The Kearsarge detour was scenic enough to be worthwhile in its own > right. And, Mammoth is a full-sized town with proper outdoor supply > stores -- I was able to replace my worn-out shoes there with just the > right model. > > I think MTR is so popular for JMT hikers because they're finishing in > Whitney Portal (which is north of Independence). Whitney Portal's a > fine place to go home from, but not good for a resupply. > > > 2. I've never hitchhiked before. Is there any etiquette I should know > > about, e.g. are hitchhikers expected to pay for gas? > > I offered to pay a few times, but nobody was ever interested. Mostly > just smile, be cheerful, and have a conversation. Nobody picks up > hitchhikers for the money, so far as I can tell. > > > 3. Is it usually easy to get change for a coin shower, or should I carry > > quarters? > > Some way of getting quarters almost always seems to materialize. The > Camp Host will often make change, if you're at a paid campsite (which is > usually where coin showers are). > > However, I avoided coin showers when possible, for a few reasons: > > A. I might run out of time while soapy. > B. Getting soap and shampoo was sometimes time-consuming or impossible. > C. Getting a proper towel was usually impossible. > D. Tiny pack towels mean you'll be really cold for a while while you > sloooowly dry off. Then, you'll have to dry out and carry a piece of > gear that's saturated with scented toiletries. This can attract animals > to your pack at night. > > > 4. Resupplying at Walker Pass on 178 seems really hard, but necessary if > > I'm going to avoid 7+ days between resupplies. I've looked at a few > > options, and none look very good: Getting friends/family to pick me up > > (they live far away), taking the Kern County bus (it runs infrequently), > > arranging taxi ride (very expensive), or hitchhiking (I think it's a > > fast, little-used stretch of highway?). Are there any options I > overlooked? > > There's a lot of trail angeling here. Otherwise, the bus is probably > your best bet. This can also be a good place to call in close > friends/family, since they haven't seen you for about a month now (and, > they can drive you to Ridgecrest, which has much better supplies than > Lake Isabella). > > > 5. Does leaving the rain fly off of a double-wall tent cause, or prevent > > condensation? > > This is an eternal question. It's definitely a whole lot warmer with > the fly on, though, and that was always the primary concern. I ended up > pitching my rain fly on all but a handful of nights. > > > 6. If you mail a resupply package or bounce box for general delivery, > > but aren't able to pick it up, what happens? E.g. suppose my bounce box > > gets held up in the mail, and I'm days past the post office by the time > > it's finally delivered? And, what if the destination is not a post > office? > > This never happened to me. But, my understanding is: If it's a post > office, and you shipped via Priority Mail, you can request that it be > redirected to a different address. If it's not a post office, they keep > it. > > > 7. On the Class of 2006 PCT DVD, it looked like people might've been > > carrying bear cans in their packs in Washington (at least, it looked > > like there was something large and cylindrical inside their packs). I > > was under the impression that people normally carry bear cans only from > > Kennedy Meadows to Sonora Pass. Are they necessary (or realistically > > advisable) anywhere else? > > I only saw a few thru-hikers who used bear canisters outside the Sierras. > > > 8. In areas where bear cans aren't required, do people do bear bag > > hangs? If so, for the whole trail, or only certain sections? Which? > > I didn't see a single proper bear hang anywhere on the trail. The most > common food storage method was to keep it inside an Opsak, inside your > backpack, and either keep your backpack in your vestibule or your tent. > > > 9. Is it possible to rent microspikes or crampons? I don't have any > > plans to use them beyond this trip, so I'd rather not buy them. But, I > > haven't been able to find any sites that rent them by mail, like how you > > can rent bear cans. > > I didn't find any. I suggested it to Wild Ideas, and they pointed out > that people might worry about the reliability of used safety gear. I > could definitely see people abusing rented Microspikes (e.g. not > bothering to take them off on the rocks). > > > 10. I've read advice that you don't really need more raingear than a > > poncho, because your legs can get cold with no problems, and your feet > > will get wet no matter what you do. So, I tried to test this during a > > rainstorm a few weeks ago, by hiking about 4 hours in a DriDucks poncho > > and REI Sahara outfit, with a loaded backpack. I got sick, and am still > > coughing. It rained about an inch, the temperature was in the high 40s > > F, and wind gusts were about 50MPH. What should I have done differently > > to handle that kind of weather? Used more insulation under the poncho? > > Added rain pants or high gaiters? Stayed home? > > I clung to that poncho for most of the trail. It was about as useful as > carrying a brick (well, an 8 ounce brick). Mainly I used it as town > clothes while I was doing laundry, and it was inadequate for that too. > > When it finally did rain in earnest, I got really cold, because the > sleeves don't cover forearms (I walked many miles with my arms curled up > like a T-Rex to keep warm). And, the giant arm holes let in lots of > wind and rain. > > I bought a proper rain jacket near Snoqualmie (some kind of Outdoor > Research Pertex jacket), and it was a godsend. Not only did it keep me > much drier when the weather was rainy, it made me realize that wearing > raingear as a windbreaker is tremendously useful in weather that's not > rainy but is chilly. I wished I'd started the trail with this. > > I never got rain pants, but by Northern Washington I probably should > have. Having soaked legs was really cold at times, and several times I > found myself in situations where I'd certainly get dangerously cold if I > stopped moving. I was the only person I saw at the Northern Terminus > that didn't have rain pants on. > > > 11. The 2014 PCT DVD shows what looks like an abandoned wrecking ball at > > Sunrise Trailhead. Does anyone know the story behind that? There's > > also an abandoned wrecking ball in Henry W Coe Park -- are wrecking > > balls in the wilderness a thing?? > > Another eternal mystery... Seriously, I don't know what the deal is, > and I'm still wondering. Since then, I've seen another one by the > roadside in a rural area. > > > Thanks again, I'd appreciate answers to any of the above. > > > > -=Marcus > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From campydog at verizon.net Sun Mar 26 09:10:38 2017 From: campydog at verizon.net (Campy) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 07:10:38 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Pct-l newsletter Message-ID: Hi: My pct-l newsletters stopped coming, am I still a member ? Fred Camphausen campy at mtnhighwest.com Or campydog at verizon.net Thanks, Campy From logboy at airmail.cc Sun Mar 26 12:42:40 2017 From: logboy at airmail.cc (logboy) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 10:42:40 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Pct-l newsletter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07b9f4cc-0177-592e-69a5-5468804cc559@airmail.cc> have you looked in your spam folder? On 3/26/2017 7:10 AM, Campy wrote: > Hi: > > My pct-l newsletters stopped coming, am I still a member ? > > Fred Camphausen > campy at mtnhighwest.com > Or > campydog at verizon.net > > Thanks, > > Campy > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From brick at brickrobbins.com Sun Mar 26 15:48:45 2017 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 13:48:45 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Pct-l newsletter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: campydog at verizon.net is subscribed to the list. Digest mode is broken for some people I changed your subscription to non-digest On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Campy wrote: > Hi: > > My pct-l newsletters stopped coming, am I still a member ? > > Fred Camphausen > campy at mtnhighwest.com > Or > campydog at verizon.net > > Thanks, > > Campy > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From jacobs.sethf at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 17:56:06 2017 From: jacobs.sethf at gmail.com (Seth Jacobs) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 15:56:06 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Trail conditions on Section C Message-ID: Hi, I'm planning a section hike of Section C this May. I'd be much obliged if anyone has information about probably trail conditions. I'm wondering what damage the weather may have done. Thanks! Seth From mojavedeserthiker at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 20:46:47 2017 From: mojavedeserthiker at gmail.com (Russell) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 18:46:47 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] FW: Pct-l newsletter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d2a765$2a2e0440$7e8a0cc0$@gmail.com> I had to unsubscribe and then resubscribe. -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Campy Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 7:11 AM To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net Cc: Campy Subject: [pct-l] Pct-l newsletter Hi: My pct-l newsletters stopped coming, am I still a member ? Fred Camphausen campy at mtnhighwest.com Or campydog at verizon.net Thanks, Campy _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From mojavedeserthiker at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 20:51:35 2017 From: mojavedeserthiker at gmail.com (Russell) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 18:51:35 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Trail conditions on Section C In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000101d2a765$d60a7230$821f5690$@gmail.com> I live down in the desert and got over 10 inches of rain since November. Lots of erosion around water courses but nothing I would say precluded hiking. I can't speak for the mountains but I can see snow on Onyx Peak form my front porch. Not section C but I did a hike from Snow Creek south last weekend and trail tread was fine but lots of invasive weeds ? Rattlesnakes are out! -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Seth Jacobs Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 3:56 PM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Trail conditions on Section C Hi, I'm planning a section hike of Section C this May. I'd be much obliged if anyone has information about probably trail conditions. I'm wondering what damage the weather may have done. Thanks! Seth _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From weathercarrot at hotmail.com Tue Mar 28 21:21:26 2017 From: weathercarrot at hotmail.com (Weathercarrot -) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 02:21:26 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] NY Times Sierra Snowpack article Message-ID: Nice article with contrasting 2015 and 2017 images. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/22/us/california-measuring-snowpack.html?_r=0 We Have Some Good News on the California Drought. Take a Look. www.nytimes.com Using NASA data, we compared this year's snowpack in the Sierra Nevada with that of 2015, when the state was in the grip of drought.