From clairerdl at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 04:58:48 2017
From: clairerdl at gmail.com (claire rdl)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 23:58:48 -1000
Subject: [pct-l] Section I-Tuolumne to Sonora Pass
Message-ID: <005D693C-86F1-402A-A7EF-7311B4A502ED@gmail.com>

Any trail reports for section I (Tuolumne Meadows to Sonora Pass)? I just received this image of the Sonora pass trailhead saying it was taken 3 weeks ago? Does it still look anything like this?

From larainekate at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  2 14:49:24 2017
From: larainekate at yahoo.com (Laraine Downer)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 19:49:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Castle Crags to Seiad Valley Snow Conditions
References: <42658314.5870690.1501703364332.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42658314.5870690.1501703364332@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm hoping to hike from C. Crags north starting about August 15th. Has anyone been up there recently? Is snow a problem, are ice axe &/or crampons needed?
Thanks,
Ladeda/Laraine

From brick at brickrobbins.com  Wed Aug  2 15:03:16 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 13:03:16 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Section I-Tuolumne to Sonora Pass
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References: <005D693C-86F1-402A-A7EF-7311B4A502ED@gmail.com>
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Recently two hikers have drown in creek crossings in this section.
Everyone freaks out about snow, but the snow won't kill you. Worry
about water. I hiked in a high snow year, and Kerrick Canyon scared
the crap out of me. I could have just as easily been the killed there
too.

Read more here
https://www.facebook.com/donna.saufley/posts/10155529181154785

and Here
https://www.facebook.com/groups/PacificCrestTrailAngels/permalink/1338927669538632/

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 2:58 AM, claire rdl <clairerdl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any trail reports for section I (Tuolumne Meadows to Sonora Pass)? I just received this image of the Sonora pass trailhead saying it was taken 3 weeks ago? Does it still look anything like this?
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From clifreeder at gmail.com  Wed Aug  2 16:43:33 2017
From: clifreeder at gmail.com (Clif Reeder)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 21:43:33 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Section I-Tuolumne to Sonora Pass
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 <CALV1NznJDFP6XRCyaTjqwzAVzmAmV7LqpNwTrX7B+vT6Ffxjug@mail.gmail.com>
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I left Tuolomene July 13 and got to Sonora Pass three days later. We were
expecting it to be smooth sailing but we were very wrong. There was enough
snow to lose the trail frequently and got lost following foot steps that
went way off trail, and some of the streams that didn't have log crossings
were waist high on me (6'3" tall). None of that felt dangerous though,
since it was less bad than the rest of the High Sierra.

The north side of Seavy Pass going down to Rancheria Creek was really
sketchy. Very steep descent since the trail was lost in snow and thick
woods, and then the trail was on rock scrambles and steep snow next to the
raging creek. Here is one photo from there I took
http://https//instagram.com/p/BW8chGFlnnk/ and a wider one from another
hiker https://instagram.com/p/BWqihDRnQLL/

Getting up Sonora was through a pretty large snow field, and getting down
was maybe a 150 yard glissade that I used my ice axe to break the entire
way. Tons of snow still on both sides of that pass.

All that said, a lot of snow will probably melt in a month. Creeks will be
a lot lower. It will certainly be possible - lots of people have done it
this year. Just have a GPS, microspikes and an ice axe.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:03 PM Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:

> Recently two hikers have drown in creek crossings in this section.
> Everyone freaks out about snow, but the snow won't kill you. Worry
> about water. I hiked in a high snow year, and Kerrick Canyon scared
> the crap out of me. I could have just as easily been the killed there
> too.
>
> Read more here
> https://www.facebook.com/donna.saufley/posts/10155529181154785
>
> and Here
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/PacificCrestTrailAngels/permalink/1338927669538632/
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 2:58 AM, claire rdl <clairerdl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Any trail reports for section I (Tuolumne Meadows to Sonora Pass)? I
> just received this image of the Sonora pass trailhead saying it was taken 3
> weeks ago? Does it still look anything like this?
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From rick at rickhubbard.org  Wed Aug  2 16:57:23 2017
From: rick at rickhubbard.org (Rick Hubbard)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:57:23 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Conditions of Section K - Stevens Pass to Stehekin
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Message-ID: <1E71CA60-3575-4A98-9CC5-B0961E7F63B0@rickhubbard.org>

Hello all,

My partner and I will hike the PCT from Stevens Pass to Stehekin, beginning Thursday, August 10th. Has anyone an update for this section as to: snow, high water, bears, fires, Glacier Peak volcanic activity, or any other of these ?low likelihood but higher risk if they happen? issues. 

Otherwise, we already know this section is spectacular and gorgeous and we can?t wait to experience it.

Your thoughts?

Many thanks!

Rick

Rick Hubbard
12 Woodbine Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Email: rick at rickhubbard.org <mailto:rick at rickhubbard.org>
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Cell: 802-999-3905

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> On Jul 19, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Thomas Stachl <thomas at stachl.me> wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> We're about to leave Stehekin and hike to Stevens Pass. Does anyone have an
> update on trail conditions for section K?
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas
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From brick at brickrobbins.com  Thu Aug  3 01:34:48 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 23:34:48 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Section I-Tuolumne to Sonora Pass
In-Reply-To: <CAOCSVimpzvT2-boodq0_rwS6TW5icsvUtssx7aTdcCTBmki72A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005D693C-86F1-402A-A7EF-7311B4A502ED@gmail.com>
 <CALV1NznJDFP6XRCyaTjqwzAVzmAmV7LqpNwTrX7B+vT6Ffxjug@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOCSVimpzvT2-boodq0_rwS6TW5icsvUtssx7aTdcCTBmki72A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALV1Nzk_LPDtQCSifZwg8L8BHevsCpy0ApwPpL=PYO2vYT62+g@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.pcta.org/2017/sadness-deaths-pacific-crest-trail-50680/

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Clif Reeder <clifreeder at gmail.com> wrote:
> I left Tuolomene July 13 and got to Sonora Pass three days later. We were
> expecting it to be smooth sailing but we were very wrong. There was enough
> snow to lose the trail frequently and got lost following foot steps that
> went way off trail, and some of the streams that didn't have log crossings
> were waist high on me (6'3" tall). None of that felt dangerous though,
> since it was less bad than the rest of the High Sierra.
>
> The north side of Seavy Pass going down to Rancheria Creek was really
> sketchy. Very steep descent since the trail was lost in snow and thick
> woods, and then the trail was on rock scrambles and steep snow next to the
> raging creek. Here is one photo from there I took
> http://https//instagram.com/p/BW8chGFlnnk/ and a wider one from another
> hiker https://instagram.com/p/BWqihDRnQLL/
>
> Getting up Sonora was through a pretty large snow field, and getting down
> was maybe a 150 yard glissade that I used my ice axe to break the entire
> way. Tons of snow still on both sides of that pass.
>
> All that said, a lot of snow will probably melt in a month. Creeks will be
> a lot lower. It will certainly be possible - lots of people have done it
> this year. Just have a GPS, microspikes and an ice axe.
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:03 PM Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>
>> Recently two hikers have drown in creek crossings in this section.
>> Everyone freaks out about snow, but the snow won't kill you. Worry
>> about water. I hiked in a high snow year, and Kerrick Canyon scared
>> the crap out of me. I could have just as easily been the killed there
>> too.
>>
>> Read more here
>> https://www.facebook.com/donna.saufley/posts/10155529181154785
>>
>> and Here
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/PacificCrestTrailAngels/permalink/1338927669538632/
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 2:58 AM, claire rdl <clairerdl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Any trail reports for section I (Tuolumne Meadows to Sonora Pass)? I
>> just received this image of the Sonora pass trailhead saying it was taken 3
>> weeks ago? Does it still look anything like this?
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From pctl at oakapple.net  Thu Aug  3 08:04:35 2017
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 06:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Kerrick Canyon creek crossing Labor Day
Message-ID: <201708031304.v73D4Z1F023131@server-f.oakapple.net>


When I did section I over Labor Day, 2005, the Kerrick Creek crossing was
a joke.    If I had been a little more agile, I think I could have crossed
with dry feet jumping from rocks.    As it was I waded through slow water
up to mid-shin.     That was after a normal winter.

http://pcnst.oakapple.net/photo/cc-pct/i/2005-09-03-i06/

Nobody's laughing this year though, and I am reserved to do section I again
this Labor Day.    I hope that four more weeks of hot weather will reduce the
danger level back to normal.     I am really afraid of fast water.

An alternative that I want to redo would be Reds Meadow to Muir Trail
Ranch.     In that part, the anxieties are Bear Creek, Mono Creek, and
North Fork Mono Creek.     

http://pcnst.oakapple.net/photo/cc-pct/h/2008-08-25-h15/

Late in 2008, those were no problem. 




From sdscpcts at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  3 19:40:15 2017
From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (Rob Langsdorf)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 00:40:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Section I-Tuolumne to Sonora Pass
In-Reply-To: <CALV1Nzk_LPDtQCSifZwg8L8BHevsCpy0ApwPpL=PYO2vYT62+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005D693C-86F1-402A-A7EF-7311B4A502ED@gmail.com>
 <CALV1NznJDFP6XRCyaTjqwzAVzmAmV7LqpNwTrX7B+vT6Ffxjug@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOCSVimpzvT2-boodq0_rwS6TW5icsvUtssx7aTdcCTBmki72A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALV1Nzk_LPDtQCSifZwg8L8BHevsCpy0ApwPpL=PYO2vYT62+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1253923315.6966054.1501807215061@mail.yahoo.com>

With all the high water this year it is amazing that only two PCT hikers lost their lives in river crossings. I wonder what the total loss has been due to high water this year.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Mataguay Connector

      From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
 To: Pct Mailing List <pct-l at backcountry.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 11:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section I-Tuolumne to Sonora Pass
   
https://www.pcta.org/2017/sadness-deaths-pacific-crest-trail-50680/

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Clif Reeder <clifreeder at gmail.com> wrote:
> I left Tuolomene July 13 and got to Sonora Pass three days later. We were
> expecting it to be smooth sailing but we were very wrong. There was enough
> snow to lose the trail frequently and got lost following foot steps that
> went way off trail, and some of the streams that didn't have log crossings
> were waist high on me (6'3" tall). None of that felt dangerous though,
> since it was less bad than the rest of the High Sierra.
>
> The north side of Seavy Pass going down to Rancheria Creek was really
> sketchy. Very steep descent since the trail was lost in snow and thick
> woods, and then the trail was on rock scrambles and steep snow next to the
> raging creek. Here is one photo from there I took
> http://https//instagram.com/p/BW8chGFlnnk/ and a wider one from another
> hiker https://instagram.com/p/BWqihDRnQLL/
>
> Getting up Sonora was through a pretty large snow field, and getting down
> was maybe a 150 yard glissade that I used my ice axe to break the entire
> way. Tons of snow still on both sides of that pass.
>
> All that said, a lot of snow will probably melt in a month. Creeks will be
> a lot lower. It will certainly be possible - lots of people have done it
> this year. Just have a GPS, microspikes and an ice axe.
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:03 PM Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>
>> Recently two hikers have drown in creek crossings in this section.
>> Everyone freaks out about snow, but the snow won't kill you. Worry
>> about water. I hiked in a high snow year, and Kerrick Canyon scared
>> the crap out of me. I could have just as easily been the killed there
>> too.
>>
>> Read more here
>> https://www.facebook.com/donna.saufley/posts/10155529181154785
>>
>> and Here
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/PacificCrestTrailAngels/permalink/1338927669538632/
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 2:58 AM, claire rdl <clairerdl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Any trail reports for section I (Tuolumne Meadows to Sonora Pass)? I
>> just received this image of the Sonora pass trailhead saying it was taken 3
>> weeks ago? Does it still look anything like this?
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From jalan04 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 20:11:51 2017
From: jalan04 at gmail.com (Will M)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 18:11:51 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] WA SECTION J-DECEPTION PASS BYPASS
Message-ID: <CAMXKz-dY_GpEzXZLs2DPMAK+TGdzOA-n+B3ZSMoDn_djkZ_7dg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I was looking at my Halfmile maps and noticed that there is an alternate
route South of Deception Pass that goes by Hyas Lake.

Just curious how the trail is and whether its a worthwhile bypass.  It goes
by a fairly  large lake which seems preferable .


FYI:  I will be hiking Southbound  in late August.

thanks,

Jalan Jalan

From kellyhikes2 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 20:39:50 2017
From: kellyhikes2 at gmail.com (Kelly)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 18:39:50 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Conditions of Section K - Stevens Pass to Stehekin
In-Reply-To: <1E71CA60-3575-4A98-9CC5-B0961E7F63B0@rickhubbard.org>
References: <CAKUiQ9vgDkY2peA4MxR5O4O4Ag3M+vF3fenxmcgNajbvDABLMA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1E71CA60-3575-4A98-9CC5-B0961E7F63B0@rickhubbard.org>
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Hi Rick and others,

My friends and I just finished Stevens Pass to Stehekin yesterday. Trail conditions were "to be expected". We had clear sailing for the first couple of days besides the fallen trees (three had to be crawled on my belly- very large and substantial) but heading northbound just south of Mica Lake there was a 75' patch of snow at summit. We crossed it in the afternoon so it was quite slushy and fairly easy to get across. 

Our biggest obstacle was the 1-1/2 to 2 miles of bush whacking north of Milk Creek. There is a 12 woman work crew doing their best to clear the trail of overgrown brush but they have their work cut out for them! We had huge black biting flies near the base of Glacier Peak so bring long covering or hike fast! Plenty of water flowing and the flowers are in full bloom!

Once we arrived at Suittle River, the valley began smelling like smoke and we had smoke all the way to Stehekin. 

There was one river ford at South Agnes but well marked, follow the river rock trail and water was flowing well below my knees. We hiked a little over 100 miles, temps in the 80-90's during the daytime and low 40's at night. Enjoy your hike and no bears! One buck, many marmots and picas and plenty of WA most notorious creature of all, mouses! Have a great hike. 

GiGi , AKA Kelly 
PCT Class of 2015

We see people as they are. But Jesus sees us for who we are to become! 

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Rick Hubbard <rick at rickhubbard.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> My partner and I will hike the PCT from Stevens Pass to Stehekin, beginning Thursday, August 10th. Has anyone an update for this section as to: snow, high water, bears, fires, Glacier Peak volcanic activity, or any other of these ?low likelihood but higher risk if they happen? issues. 
> 
> Otherwise, we already know this section is spectacular and gorgeous and we can?t wait to experience it.
> 
> Your thoughts?
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Hubbard
> 12 Woodbine Street
> South Burlington, VT 05403
> Email: rick at rickhubbard.org <mailto:rick at rickhubbard.org>
> Web: www.rickhubbard.org <http://www.rickhubbard.org/>
> Cell: 802-999-3905
> 
> Decades ago, Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis wrote, ?We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few, but we cannot have both." 
> 
>        
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Thomas Stachl <thomas at stachl.me> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> We're about to leave Stehekin and hike to Stevens Pass. Does anyone have an
>> update on trail conditions for section K?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
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From simondgreenhill at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 17:32:54 2017
From: simondgreenhill at gmail.com (Simon Greenhill)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:32:54 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Rideshare to Muir Trail Ranch 8/11
Message-ID: <CAFPGWKu+DjOug9eYs229B1BQxuUKPoBaH5gU71JP3gR1n1mS6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm meeting friends who are hiking the JMT southbound at Muir Trail Ranch
next Friday, August 11. My plans to get a ride to Florence Lake just fell
through, so I'm now looking to carpool with anyone who might be headed to
Florence Lake next Friday morning. I can meet you pretty much anywhere
between the Bay Area and Fresno and will, of course, be happy to split gas
and buy you a meal.

Simon
College student, hiker, 2018 PCT hopeful

From pctl at oakapple.net  Sun Aug  6 00:19:59 2017
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 22:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] eclipse from PCT
Message-ID: <201708060519.v765JxKm009968@server-f.oakapple.net>


Judging from 

 http://xjubier.free.fr/en/site_pages/solar_eclipses/TSE_2017_GoogleMapFull.html

the centerline of the eclipse will cross the PCT around Halfmile 2034.5
and the portion from Olallie Butte to Mt Jefferson will be excellently situated.
The closer to the centerline, the longer the eclipse lasts.

Unfortunately, judging from

 https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5420/

the PCT is closed from Breitenbush Lake at 2037 to
the Woodpecker trail at 2027.    Even if it weren't closed, smoke might 
render the Jefferson Park and Park Ridge areas unattractive for observing.
The closure might be lifted before the eclipse 
but more likely will last a while in the wilderness area.
Rainy weather might put out the fire but might put out the eclipse too.
I have experienced one eclipse threatened by clouds and one spoiled by clouds, 
but never by smoke.
 
Alternatives are (if wind from the south) hike in the Woodpecker Trail 
(it's only a couple of miles from a road) and head south - 
avoiding camping at Shale Lake if possible (special
permit required), or (if wind from the north)
drive in to Breitenbush Lake or Olallie Lake, real bumpy rides
as I recall.    Olallie Lake and the Woodpecker trail junction seem about
equally far from the centerline.

The Olallie Lake scenic area (2037-2043) has a lot of lakes, 
no wilderness permit required, but also has bumpy roads that might 
be full of traffic - it's normally busy on an August weekend -
so it might be good to be parked where you need to be by Saturday
night and not attempt to leave until Tuesday morning.    Parking might be
easier at non-PCT trailheads which do not afford a good view locally but lead to better 
views further from the road.

The PCTA adds its plea for thoughtful backcountry practices

 https://www.pcta.org/2017/massive-overcrowding-expected-oregon-mountains-solar-eclipse-48839/

but it's hard to believe that anybody finding that blog 
would not already know what to do.

An alternative suggested by the PCTA would be to drive Hwy 26 east from Bend.
Not much help for through hikers though...
You get to the Ochoco National Forest, then Malheur, and others further east with lots 
of opportunities for dispersed camping.     Also opportunities for dispersed
forest fires!    
If you don't already have lodging or campground reservations, plan on dispersed
camping in the national forests.
I see the centerline crosses 395 in the Malheur NF north of Mt Vernon.
There are side roads in the forest but I've never been there.

On eclipse day the main roads might be gridlocked or dangerous, making it 
difficult to re-optimize your position at the last minute to avoid clouds or 
smoke.

From jalan04 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 11:43:27 2017
From: jalan04 at gmail.com (Jalan04)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 09:43:27 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Snow conditions Castle Crag north to Ashland
In-Reply-To: <2143243392.2663668.1501378753946@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2143243392.2663668.1501378753946.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2143243392.2663668.1501378753946@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <350408E2-AF73-4597-9349-6273DD3CA265@gmail.com>

You can check out Trail Journals, Postholer and The PCTA Journslist and look for recent posts from that area

I always thought it would be cool to be able to search journals for PCT Mile and Date to get up to date "trip reports" but a lot of people understandably don't like this for safety/privacy reasons.

Jalan Jalan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Laraine Downer <larainekate at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I was hoping to solo hike these sections beginning about August 16th. I see lots of postings in June and July about SNOW problems. If anyone has been up there more recently, would appreciate any info. you can offer. I have options of either beginning at Castle Crags or skip ahead to Hwy. 3 or Etna Summit. Prefer not to bring ice axe or crampons!
> Good luck to all out there on the trail, it's an amazing experience!
> Ladeda/Laraine
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From HStroh at sjmslaw.com  Mon Aug  7 16:02:31 2017
From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 21:02:31 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Washington Section Hike
Message-ID: <f4a42aa950114fe6882a3520a58fe6da@MALAWI.SJLM.local>

Help!

I am (was) planning a southbound section hike in Oregon, specifically McKenzie Pass (1981) to Fish Lake (1770), using the train to get to Chemult/Bend then hitch to the trail head. Exit at Fish Like, then hop on the train at Klamath Falls to get home. The highlight was to be Crater Lake, but due to the Spruce Lake and Blanket fires in Section C, most of Crater Lake National Park is currently closed, including the Rim Trail. I guess I can hitch around the closure, but am considering a different itinerary and jut do Crater Lake another time when the park is open and the air clear.

An idea is to stay on the train into Seattle and bus to North Bend, then hitch to Snoqualmie Pass (2390). Hike down to Trout Lake (2226) and then hitch to Portland to catch a train home. Alternatively, trail to Centralia, bus to Packwood, hop in at White Pass (2292) and exit at Cascade Locks to hitch to Portland. I would be on trail 8/24 to 9/5.

Any comments on 1) snow/trail conditions for these sections of Washington in late August. Take micro spikes/ice axe??; and/or 2) travel logistics. Are the proposed hitches feasible? Difficult to get out of Trout Lake?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks!!

Herb

From moodyjj at comcast.net  Mon Aug  7 17:03:28 2017
From: moodyjj at comcast.net (Jim & Jane Moody)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 22:03:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Washington Section Hike
In-Reply-To: <f4a42aa950114fe6882a3520a58fe6da@MALAWI.SJLM.local>
References: <f4a42aa950114fe6882a3520a58fe6da@MALAWI.SJLM.local>
Message-ID: <1866672909.87587123.1502143408206.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Hitching to Portland would be a whole lot easier from Cascades Locks than from Trout Lake. IIRC, there is a bus into Portland from CL. Good luck. Mango
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Sent: Mon, 07 Aug 2017 21:02:31 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Washington Section Hike

Help!

I am (was) planning a southbound section hike in Oregon, specifically McKenzie Pass (1981) to Fish Lake (1770), using the train to get to Chemult/Bend then hitch to the trail head. Exit at Fish Like, then hop on the train at Klamath Falls to get home. The highlight was to be Crater Lake, but due to the Spruce Lake and Blanket fires in Section C, most of Crater Lake National Park is currently closed, including the Rim Trail. I guess I can hitch around the closure, but am considering a different itinerary and jut do Crater Lake another time when the park is open and the air clear.

An idea is to stay on the train into Seattle and bus to North Bend, then hitch to Snoqualmie Pass (2390). Hike down to Trout Lake (2226) and then hitch to Portland to catch a train home. Alternatively, trail to Centralia, bus to Packwood, hop in at White Pass (2292) and exit at Cascade Locks to hitch to Portland. I would be on trail 8/24 to 9/5.

Any comments on 1) snow/trail conditions for these sections of Washington in late August. Take micro spikes/ice axe??; and/or 2) travel logistics. Are the proposed hitches feasible? Difficult to get out of Trout Lake?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks!!

Herb
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From HStroh at sjmslaw.com  Tue Aug  8 10:35:31 2017
From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 15:35:31 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Washington Section Hike
In-Reply-To: <1866672909.87587123.1502143408206.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <f4a42aa950114fe6882a3520a58fe6da@MALAWI.SJLM.local>
 <1866672909.87587123.1502143408206.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
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Thanks Mango and David for your responses.

The plan is firming up to hike southbound section "H" White Pass (2292) to Cascade Locks (2144) and if time permits section "G" to Government Camp (2089). The train no longer works well so I am hoping to find a safe place to leave a car, either in the Portland area, Packwood, or Government Camp for about 2 weeks starting 8/23 or 24. I would then use hitch and public transport to connect the dots.

If you have a spot or know of one I would be glad to pay for the privilege of leaving my car there.

Thanks.

Herb

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Jane Moody [mailto:moodyjj at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 3:03 PM
To: Herb Stroh
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Washington Section Hike

Hitching to Portland would be a whole lot easier from Cascades Locks than from Trout Lake. IIRC, there is a bus into Portland from CL. Good luck. Mango
----- Original Message -----
From: Herb Stroh <HStroh at sjmslaw.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Mon, 07 Aug 2017 21:02:31 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Washington Section Hike

Help!

I am (was) planning a southbound section hike in Oregon, specifically McKenzie Pass (1981) to Fish Lake (1770), using the train to get to Chemult/Bend then hitch to the trail head. Exit at Fish Like, then hop on the train at Klamath Falls to get home. The highlight was to be Crater Lake, but due to the Spruce Lake and Blanket fires in Section C, most of Crater Lake National Park is currently closed, including the Rim Trail. I guess I can hitch around the closure, but am considering a different itinerary and jut do Crater Lake another time when the park is open and the air clear.

An idea is to stay on the train into Seattle and bus to North Bend, then hitch to Snoqualmie Pass (2390). Hike down to Trout Lake (2226) and then hitch to Portland to catch a train home. Alternatively, trail to Centralia, bus to Packwood, hop in at White Pass (2292) and exit at Cascade Locks to hitch to Portland. I would be on trail 8/24 to 9/5.

Any comments on 1) snow/trail conditions for these sections of Washington in late August. Take micro spikes/ice axe??; and/or 2) travel logistics. Are the proposed hitches feasible? Difficult to get out of Trout Lake?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks!!

Herb
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From veselyjames at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 13:57:54 2017
From: veselyjames at gmail.com (James Vesely)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 11:57:54 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Fires for the overall good of the forest
Message-ID: <CAMxQpswzpidu-fJTE4fhcpn_WKbJ+6fWo+3oYbgVYDoHcrb6Zg@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/06/science/let-forest-fires-burn-what-the-black-backed-woodpecker-knows.html?em_pos=medium&emc=edit_sc_20170808&nl=science-times&nl_art=5&nlid=69345975&ref=headline&te=1

From rick at rickhubbard.org  Wed Aug  9 10:32:03 2017
From: rick at rickhubbard.org (Rick Hubbard)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:32:03 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Any trail or other issues for Washington Section K from
 Stevens Pass to Stehekin?
Message-ID: <F4B09B99-55F2-4909-B03A-EA019783EE45@rickhubbard.org>

Greetings,

My life partner Sally and I are starting at Stevens Pass tomorrow, August 10th, heading north for Stehekin.

Are there any issues we should be aware of: high water? unsafe trail? Bears? Glacier Peak volcanic? fires? Anything else?

Your thoughts?

Rick a/k/a ?Newsman"

Rick Hubbard
12 Woodbine Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Email: rick at rickhubbard.org <mailto:rick at rickhubbard.org>
Web: www.rickhubbard.org <http://www.rickhubbard.org/>
Cell: 802-999-3905

We citizens largely elect good people to represent us in Washington, who then are incentivized to often act in ways that place their own interests, those of their wealthy and influential backers, and those of their political party above the broad interests of the American people.    




From HStroh at sjmslaw.com  Wed Aug  9 13:06:58 2017
From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:06:58 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Any trail or other issues for Washington Section K from
 Stevens Pass to Stehekin?
In-Reply-To: <F4B09B99-55F2-4909-B03A-EA019783EE45@rickhubbard.org>
References: <F4B09B99-55F2-4909-B03A-EA019783EE45@rickhubbard.org>
Message-ID: <087ed84b24e34ad9b405a7ca9c7f71bf@MALAWI.SJLM.local>

Rick-

Happened to see this recent post from a sobo hiker: http://kodakbrown.com/pacific-crest-trail-stehekin-to-skykomish/ 

I will be sobo in a couple weeks from White Pass.

Herb

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Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:32 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Any trail or other issues for Washington Section K from Stevens Pass to Stehekin?

Greetings,

My life partner Sally and I are starting at Stevens Pass tomorrow, August 10th, heading north for Stehekin.

Are there any issues we should be aware of: high water? unsafe trail? Bears? Glacier Peak volcanic? fires? Anything else?

Your thoughts?

Rick a/k/a ?Newsman"

Rick Hubbard
12 Woodbine Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Email: rick at rickhubbard.org <mailto:rick at rickhubbard.org>
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Cell: 802-999-3905

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From scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 15:45:30 2017
From: scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com (Scott Diamond)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 20:45:30 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Off Topic - Europe Journeymen
Message-ID: <CAH8m_av4q9j2FLFYkn1tq+RJNsi7eLCFzGY6nnv27qOQL2Dyqg@mail.gmail.com>

I guess we hike for a variety of reasons.  I think a number of the hikers
I've met have been drawn to the adventure. Yes it is great to see nature
and hike but next year many of these people could be doing and adventure
like hitchhiking across China or sailing across an ocean. Anyway, I saw
this article in the NYT about Journeymen in Europe and I thought I'd pass
it on

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/world/europe/europe-journeymen.html?emc=edit_nn_20170808&nl=morning-briefing&nlid=71984460&te=1&_r=0&referer=

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 12:02:46 2017
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:02:46 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Class of 2016 video
Message-ID: <CALu=H=gGZ3dCwwfdX0ViCRoY5ndin56j=FBLqdajfad8rPJhyw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure if the class video for 2016 was posted here previously... even
if so; here it is- in all of it's splendor and glory. Enjoy!

https://vimeo.com/214901191

All the best,

Paint

From xuyikai.china at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 21:06:38 2017
From: xuyikai.china at gmail.com (Yikai Xu)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:06:38 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Echo lake to HW80/Donner pass_exit transportation
Message-ID: <12B8327B-1E60-4DD6-8CB8-78CEA3C9F21A@gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

I?m planning to hike the section from Echo lake to Donner pass (1092.3 - 1153.4), but was not able to find a way to get back to Reno or San Fransisco from Donner pass. Didn?t find any public transportation or rental car around Donner pass. Any suggestion/advice for exiting from Donner pass?

Thanks in advance.


Best,
Yikai

From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 11 22:50:49 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 03:50:49 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Echo lake to HW80/Donner pass_exit transportation
In-Reply-To: <12B8327B-1E60-4DD6-8CB8-78CEA3C9F21A@gmail.com>
References: <12B8327B-1E60-4DD6-8CB8-78CEA3C9F21A@gmail.com>
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There's a train from Truckee going to Reno or Sacramento. It's 9 miles from Donner Pass east to Truckee--an easy hitch from the road just before the pass that goes to Soda Springs. 
Marmot

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> On Aug 11, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Yikai Xu <xuyikai.china at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I?m planning to hike the section from Echo lake to Donner pass (1092.3 - 1153.4), but was not able to find a way to get back to Reno or San Fransisco from Donner pass. Didn?t find any public transportation or rental car around Donner pass. Any suggestion/advice for exiting from Donner pass?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Best,
> Yikai
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From pctl at marcusschwartz.com  Sat Aug 12 01:12:52 2017
From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 23:12:52 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Echo lake to HW80/Donner pass_exit transportation
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR20MB0246B9954434B8F7465150A4C88E0@BY2PR20MB0246.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>
References: <12B8327B-1E60-4DD6-8CB8-78CEA3C9F21A@gmail.com>
 <BY2PR20MB0246B9954434B8F7465150A4C88E0@BY2PR20MB0246.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <ea47ffe5-88c5-21ce-c9aa-d04aea1608ed@marcusschwartz.com>

I was doing trail magic there a couple weeks ago.  Three times, 
thru-hikers decided to hitch into Truckee.  In total, they waited maybe 
5 minutes.  It was a ridiculously easy hitch to get into Truckee.

I don't have advice for getting elsewhere from Truckee.  But the 
Fiftyfifty brewery there is terrific.

Alternatively, you might just hike about 4 miles further to the 
Eastbound I-80 rest stop and try to hitch a ride from there.  It's 
harder to hitch at a freeway rest stop like I-80 than a popular 
trailhead like Donner, but I bet most of the people at the Eastbound 
I-80 rest stop are either going to or through Reno.

If you're having trouble hitching from the rest stop, you might go to 
the Donner Summit Snopark that's about 0.3 miles west of the Eastbound 
rest stop via a trail.  It's less busy, but it's a trailhead so the 
people there are more likely to pick up a hiker.

  -=Town Food

On 08/11/2017 08:50 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
> There's a train from Truckee going to Reno or Sacramento. It's 9
> miles from Donner Pass east to Truckee--an easy hitch from the road
> just before the pass that goes to Soda Springs. Marmot
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Yikai Xu <xuyikai.china at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Guys,
>> 
>> I?m planning to hike the section from Echo lake to Donner pass
>> (1092.3 - 1153.4), but was not able to find a way to get back to
>> Reno or San Fransisco from Donner pass. Didn?t find any public
>> transportation or rental car around Donner pass. Any
>> suggestion/advice for exiting from Donner pass?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> 
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From melaniekclarke at gmail.com  Sat Aug 12 09:01:46 2017
From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com (Melanie Clarke)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:01:46 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Echo lake to HW80/Donner pass_exit transportation
In-Reply-To: <12B8327B-1E60-4DD6-8CB8-78CEA3C9F21A@gmail.com>
References: <12B8327B-1E60-4DD6-8CB8-78CEA3C9F21A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKeeMLeq5nrqwVE0Jr8jFuXA_Fgt4ZHsnW2Un6nqQTjCsViVwg@mail.gmail.com>

Amtrak will pick you up with a bus in Truckee but only if you use it to
connect to their train at some point. So call or go online to Amtrak. Where
do you live? I'm sure you can use a train for part of that distance.

Diet Plan

On Aug 11, 2017 7:41 PM, "Yikai Xu" <xuyikai.china at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I?m planning to hike the section from Echo lake to Donner pass (1092.3 -
> 1153.4), but was not able to find a way to get back to Reno or San
> Fransisco from Donner pass. Didn?t find any public transportation or rental
> car around Donner pass. Any suggestion/advice for exiting from Donner pass?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Best,
> Yikai
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From joygoebel at gmail.com  Sat Aug 12 14:56:54 2017
From: joygoebel at gmail.com (Joy Goebel)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:56:54 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Snow conditions Castle Crag north to Ashland
In-Reply-To: <350408E2-AF73-4597-9349-6273DD3CA265@gmail.com>
References: <2143243392.2663668.1501378753946.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2143243392.2663668.1501378753946@mail.yahoo.com>
 <350408E2-AF73-4597-9349-6273DD3CA265@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACcs1jybMnxDCe2f_hcHs0z6BkCPM5A-SY0umJfd-i_rHU7ung@mail.gmail.com>

Hello
I just returned yesterday from section hiking from Etna to Castle Crags. No
snow. Lots of heat hiking into Castle Crags though!
Poppins

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Jalan04 <jalan04 at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can check out Trail Journals, Postholer and The PCTA Journslist and
> look for recent posts from that area
>
> I always thought it would be cool to be able to search journals for PCT
> Mile and Date to get up to date "trip reports" but a lot of people
> understandably don't like this for safety/privacy reasons.
>
> Jalan Jalan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 29, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Laraine Downer <larainekate at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I was hoping to solo hike these sections beginning about August 16th. I
> see lots of postings in June and July about SNOW problems. If anyone has
> been up there more recently, would appreciate any info. you can offer. I
> have options of either beginning at Castle Crags or skip ahead to Hwy. 3 or
> Etna Summit. Prefer not to bring ice axe or crampons!
> > Good luck to all out there on the trail, it's an amazing experience!
> > Ladeda/Laraine
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From xuyikai.china at gmail.com  Sun Aug 13 14:09:14 2017
From: xuyikai.china at gmail.com (Yikai Xu)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 15:09:14 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Echo lake to HW80/Donner pass_exit transportation
In-Reply-To: <CAKeeMLeq5nrqwVE0Jr8jFuXA_Fgt4ZHsnW2Un6nqQTjCsViVwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12B8327B-1E60-4DD6-8CB8-78CEA3C9F21A@gmail.com>
 <CAKeeMLeq5nrqwVE0Jr8jFuXA_Fgt4ZHsnW2Un6nqQTjCsViVwg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks a lot Diet Plan, Town Food, and Marmot! Will try to hitch to Truckee and get on the train then. Much appreciate it!


> On Aug 12, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Amtrak will pick you up with a bus in Truckee but only if you use it to connect to their train at some point. So call or go online to Amtrak. Where do you live? I'm sure you can use a train for part of that distance. 
> 
> Diet Plan
> 
> On Aug 11, 2017 7:41 PM, "Yikai Xu" <xuyikai.china at gmail.com <mailto:xuyikai.china at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I?m planning to hike the section from Echo lake to Donner pass (1092.3 - 1153.4), but was not able to find a way to get back to Reno or San Fransisco from Donner pass. Didn?t find any public transportation or rental car around Donner pass. Any suggestion/advice for exiting from Donner pass?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Best,
> Yikai
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From HStroh at sjmslaw.com  Mon Aug 14 09:59:18 2017
From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 14:59:18 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Echo lake to HW80/Donner pass_exit transportation
In-Reply-To: <CAKeeMLeq5nrqwVE0Jr8jFuXA_Fgt4ZHsnW2Un6nqQTjCsViVwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12B8327B-1E60-4DD6-8CB8-78CEA3C9F21A@gmail.com>
 <CAKeeMLeq5nrqwVE0Jr8jFuXA_Fgt4ZHsnW2Un6nqQTjCsViVwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c5a356f8595549ae90ee72883d895dee@MALAWI.SJLM.local>

To add to what others have said:

If you didn't want to hitch, you can call for a cab in Truckee to take you to town. As I recall there is cell reception by the highway. But I agree, the hitch there is easy.

Two years ago I caught  a shuttle that picks up at the Amtrak station and goes to Reno airport. Check to see if that is still going. Service will be limited on times/days.

Herb

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Melanie Clarke
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:02 AM
To: Yikai Xu
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Subject: Re: [pct-l] Echo lake to HW80/Donner pass_exit transportation

Amtrak will pick you up with a bus in Truckee but only if you use it to connect to their train at some point. So call or go online to Amtrak. Where do you live? I'm sure you can use a train for part of that distance.

Diet Plan

On Aug 11, 2017 7:41 PM, "Yikai Xu" <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__xuyikai.china-40gmail.com&d=DQIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=ouoU-5bWB1hGSQsVF7qHade7G0U6SKCUqXI8nbm_amI&m=FOf7W05qk9Pj_fHQZj6CgUwOvB73Ey2z7kPfyDzk0v8&s=6bgiamHXJYEcekDCMYqztdcZiVtC6WsRzItLJdpRrns&e= > wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I?m planning to hike the section from Echo lake to Donner pass (1092.3 
> - 1153.4), but was not able to find a way to get back to Reno or San 
> Fransisco from Donner pass. Didn?t find any public transportation or 
> rental car around Donner pass. Any suggestion/advice for exiting from Donner pass?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Best,
> Yikai
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From xuyikai.china at gmail.com  Mon Aug 14 18:21:16 2017
From: xuyikai.china at gmail.com (Yikai Xu)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:21:16 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Echo lake to HW80/Donner pass_exit transportation
In-Reply-To: <CAKeeMLeq5nrqwVE0Jr8jFuXA_Fgt4ZHsnW2Un6nqQTjCsViVwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12B8327B-1E60-4DD6-8CB8-78CEA3C9F21A@gmail.com>
 <CAKeeMLeq5nrqwVE0Jr8jFuXA_Fgt4ZHsnW2Un6nqQTjCsViVwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF8gBYb2OiaSP1voYxGN3Co2sVwpa-4ZsXSQtw92sZWJ3WNjLA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot Diet Plan, Town Food, and Marmot! Will try to hitch to Truckee
and get on the train then.

On Aug 12, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
wrote:

Amtrak will pick you up with a bus in Truckee but only if you use it to
connect to their train at some point. So call or go online to Amtrak. Where
do you live? I'm sure you can use a train for part of that distance.

Diet Plan

On Aug 11, 2017 7:41 PM, "Yikai Xu" <xuyikai.china at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I?m planning to hike the section from Echo lake to Donner pass (1092.3 -
> 1153.4), but was not able to find a way to get back to Reno or San
> Fransisco from Donner pass. Didn?t find any public transportation or rental
> car around Donner pass. Any suggestion/advice for exiting from Donner pass?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Best,
> Yikai
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From belcherjd at juno.com  Mon Aug 14 19:59:58 2017
From: belcherjd at juno.com (belcherjd at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:59:58 GMT
Subject: [pct-l] KM to Horseshoe Meadows clothes
Message-ID: <20170814.175958.18172.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

I'm starting a NOBO from KM to Donner Pass on Sunday Aug 20.Any in put on not carring my 10oz down jacket and 9 oz rain pants from KM to Horseshoe Meadows and shipping them with my resupply to Lone Pine along with my Bearikade.They are both part of my layering and sleeping system and I'm figuring I won't need them for warmth until later at higher elevations and then later in September.I carry a 30* sleeping bag and figure that if I don't wear all of my clothing, inside my bag, on the coldest night I either brought too warm a bag or too many clothes.Also I've never gotten used to wearing tights for warmth except when snowshoeing.

'til later
Jon (Gandalf) BelcherWashington State.
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From susan at newstories.org  Tue Aug 15 12:44:52 2017
From: susan at newstories.org (Susan Virnig)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:44:52 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Sierra City SOBO to Echo Lake or Carson Pass
Message-ID: <5D1C4C5D-32DF-4E88-93EA-BD51A08F103F@newstories.org>

My hiking buddy just bailed on me, so I?m hoping to complete our planned hike SOBO from Sierra City to Echo Lake or even Carson Pass solo, starting next week.  Does anyone have any info about trail conditions, snow in the 7500-9000 foot parts of the the trail, and water conditions?  Any info would be very useful.

I?m a section hiker and have hiked from Sierra City to Manning Provincial Park in a continuous line ? except for one 50 mile stretch which I will fill in soon! ? and about 500 miles of that solo.  I would have preferred to hike with my friend, but I don?t want to give it up just because she?s not going.

?Susan from Spokane, aka Sunshine  

From denisstanton at mac.com  Tue Aug 15 15:03:38 2017
From: denisstanton at mac.com (Denis Stanton)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 08:03:38 +1200
Subject: [pct-l] Sierra City SOBO to Echo Lake or Carson Pass
In-Reply-To: <5D1C4C5D-32DF-4E88-93EA-BD51A08F103F@newstories.org>
References: <5D1C4C5D-32DF-4E88-93EA-BD51A08F103F@newstories.org>
Message-ID: <B9BD4EEC-73D8-41A1-8BAF-53AE4425A99C@mac.com>

Hi Susan,

I can only speak for the southern end of you hike.  I hiked NOBO from Ebbett?s Pass to Echo Lake (including Carson Pass to Echo Lake) from 23rd July to 27th July.

I though trail conditions were near perfect.  We went up to 9200 ft a couple of times. Some minor patches of snow to cross, but nothing requiring anything more than trail runners on my feet.  Fresh water gushing in the streams never more than a mile apart and usually more frequent.  It was getting a bit hot then, and we?re now two weeks further on so the snow may be all gone and the streams a bit reduced.  Only down was there were mosquitos, but not the worst I?ve seen.

Sorry I can?t report on the Desolation Wilderness and further north

Denis Stanton


> On 16/08/2017, at 5:44 AM, Susan Virnig <susan at newstories.org> wrote:
> 
> My hiking buddy just bailed on me, so I?m hoping to complete our planned hike SOBO from Sierra City to Echo Lake or even Carson Pass solo, starting next week.  Does anyone have any info about trail conditions, snow in the 7500-9000 foot parts of the the trail, and water conditions?  Any info would be very useful.
> 
> I?m a section hiker and have hiked from Sierra City to Manning Provincial Park in a continuous line ? except for one 50 mile stretch which I will fill in soon! ? and about 500 miles of that solo.  I would have preferred to hike with my friend, but I don?t want to give it up just because she?s not going.
> 
> ?Susan from Spokane, aka Sunshine  
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From wpear11161 at aol.com  Wed Aug 16 20:18:40 2017
From: wpear11161 at aol.com (wpear11161 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 21:18:40 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Share a Van to Vermilion Valley Resort on September 5, 2017
Message-ID: <15dedc55af7-cfa-20af7@webprd-a34.mail.aol.com>

My friend and I have scheduled the Vermilion Valley Resort van to pick us up at Fresno International Airport  arrivals area at 10 am on Tuesday, September 5, 2017 to take us to a trail-head near the VVR.  The van costs about $200.  If one or more people (up to 4)  are interested in getting to the JMT/PCT starting at VVR, we would be happy to have others to share the ride and the cost.


Please contact the van service and let them know of your intentions.  Their phone number is 559-259-4000.


Thanks,



From sean.nordeen at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 15:17:15 2017
From: sean.nordeen at gmail.com (Sean Nordeen)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 13:17:15 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] KM to Horseshoe Meadows clothes
In-Reply-To: <CA+2MCV1=4HW0PKX=wheK-SOUKS21xXq3681xSOYkja_aTw1nyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+2MCV2=jTgEPy+OhzOBeVLFjq3tcMZfSpfoL_1vR1UnMm+tjQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+2MCV1wyiw+LF3UszqQwV3==nfcpf4T-hj+==5kB8AoHrU28Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+2MCV1G=g5yoM-LvLNCHpOba=Ve0LoJ31M2N7xTcgPrKiyXpQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+2MCV3cJvzOqTPdaAcV33N-dpEx5eQbcsi=qwmdwA1UEROPjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+2MCV1=4HW0PKX=wheK-SOUKS21xXq3681xSOYkja_aTw1nyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+2MCV1fn4PQ_0440bQiBhfcMjXsVatauZuSTxJ6wOQxatSQOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Last year, over labor day weekend, in that section, I had a low of 34f one
night and 23f the second.  So if your layers are fine with that, then leave
the down jacket.  I personally use mine around camp at night and early
morning as I pack up else it's too cold to get out of my quilt.

Rain pants, you only need if it rains for awhile.  Thunderstorms do happen
this time of the year and it can rain hard   Likely won't need them, but
you never know.  Easier to judge if you get a forecast just before you go.

-Miner

From pambryant58 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 19 10:17:43 2017
From: pambryant58 at gmail.com (Pamela Bryant)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:17:43 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Parking on Cameron Canyon Road near Tehachapi,
 CA Hwy 58 (on the edge of Southern CA and beginning of Central CA)
Message-ID: <CAE5HO4UXEAnd3epj=DcDSY4iwwJUvb0Q7s7C_NoTt55xfMv_MA@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone left a vehicle on Cameron Canyon Road near Hwy 58 for a couple
of days? And where did you leave your vehicle?

The PCT crosses Tehachapi Willow Springs Road going north and pretty much
parallels Cameron Canyon Road then a road walk on Cameron Canyon Road and
crosses over Hwy 58 via bridge.

We will be hiking south on the PCT and end the hike at Hwy 58. So I would
like to park my vehicle on Cameron Canyon Road close to Hwy 58.

From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 19 10:51:51 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:51:51 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Parking on Cameron Canyon Road near Tehachapi,
 CA Hwy 58 (on the edge of Southern CA and beginning of Central CA)
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Just a thought. Ask one of the trail angels in Tehachapi for a place to leave your car. Then catch the bus (Kern county goes from Mojave to Tehachapi). I believe it picks up twice a day you just have to call them so that they will get you from where the trail crosses at the road before you cross over the hwy. Also it's a pretty easy hitch into Tehachapi from there. 
Marmot

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Pamela Bryant <pambryant58 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone left a vehicle on Cameron Canyon Road near Hwy 58 for a couple
> of days? And where did you leave your vehicle?
> 
> The PCT crosses Tehachapi Willow Springs Road going north and pretty much
> parallels Cameron Canyon Road then a road walk on Cameron Canyon Road and
> crosses over Hwy 58 via bridge.
> 
> We will be hiking south on the PCT and end the hike at Hwy 58. So I would
> like to park my vehicle on Cameron Canyon Road close to Hwy 58.
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From sdscpcts at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 20 16:41:05 2017
From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (Rob Langsdorf)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:41:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Fires for the overall good of the forest
In-Reply-To: <CAMxQpswzpidu-fJTE4fhcpn_WKbJ+6fWo+3oYbgVYDoHcrb6Zg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMxQpswzpidu-fJTE4fhcpn_WKbJ+6fWo+3oYbgVYDoHcrb6Zg@mail.gmail.com>
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? ? ?Years ago I backpacked through a forest fire. It had been started by a lightning strike and had only burned about 500 acres in a month. But I have also seen Southern California fires that have burned over 10,000 acres in an afternoon. Controlled burns can be helpful to use up fuel during the spring when the fires won't burn as hot.
? ? ?One other problem I see with fires is that the snags overhang the trail, so the NF won't reopen the trail. Also a hot fire can result in stone work failing. I believe that this is the case where the Mountain Fire burned miles of the PCT at the north end of the Desert Divide. How many more years will it take for that segment of trail to be reopened?
? ? ?Mataguay Connector

      From: James Vesely <veselyjames at gmail.com>
 To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:58 AM
 Subject: [pct-l] Fires for the overall good of the forest
   
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/06/science/let-forest-fires-burn-what-the-black-backed-woodpecker-knows.html?em_pos=medium&emc=edit_sc_20170808&nl=science-times&nl_art=5&nlid=69345975&ref=headline&te=1
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From gary_schenk at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 10:56:32 2017
From: gary_schenk at yahoo.com (Gary Schenk)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 15:56:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Parking on Cameron Canyon Road near Tehachapi,
 CA Hwy 58 (on the edge of Southern CA and beginning of Central CA)
References: <229421135.2890237.1503417392938.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <229421135.2890237.1503417392938@mail.yahoo.com>

A couple of years ago we parked right there at the ramp for three days while we finished Section E. There was no problem.

Gary
--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 8/19/17, Pamela Bryant <pambryant58 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: [pct-l] Parking on Cameron Canyon Road near Tehachapi, CA Hwy 58 (on the edge of Southern CA and beginning of Central CA)
 To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
 Date: Saturday, August 19, 2017, 8:17 AM
 
 Has anyone left a vehicle on Cameron Canyon
 Road near Hwy 58 for a couple
 of days? And where did you leave your
 vehicle?
 
 The PCT crosses Tehachapi Willow
 Springs Road going north and pretty much
 parallels Cameron Canyon Road then a
 road walk on Cameron Canyon Road and
 crosses over Hwy 58 via bridge.
 
 We will be hiking south on the PCT and
 end the hike at Hwy 58. So I would
 like to park my vehicle on Cameron
 Canyon Road close to Hwy 58.
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