From weathercarrot at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  3 02:06:26 2017
From: weathercarrot at hotmail.com (Weathercarrot -)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 07:06:26 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Above Northeast Utah
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I know this isn't PCT related, but I figured that since most of you like mountains, it's related enough.  I just posted a new gallery of photos from a flight descending into Salk Lake City.  I had great timing with the evening light and a good northeast view far enough from the wing to get some fun compositions.  It was also good timing for the time of year with peaking snowpack.  The window was pretty hazy, so I've had to tweak them. Some turned out better than others.    As usual, it'll look better on something larger than a phone.  Enjoy!


https://weathercarrot.smugmug.com/Weathercarrot-photos/Above-Northeast-Utah/

From troopharrison at gmail.com  Mon Apr  3 09:18:19 2017
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:18:19 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Above Northeast Utah
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Beautiful, thank you!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 2:06 AM, Weathercarrot - <weathercarrot at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I know this isn't PCT related, but I figured that since most of you like mountains, it's related enough.  I just posted a new gallery of photos from a flight descending into Salk Lake City.  I had great timing with the evening light and a good northeast view far enough from the wing to get some fun compositions.  It was also good timing for the time of year with peaking snowpack.  The window was pretty hazy, so I've had to tweak them. Some turned out better than others.    As usual, it'll look better on something larger than a phone.  Enjoy!
> 
> 
> https://weathercarrot.smugmug.com/Weathercarrot-photos/Above-Northeast-Utah/
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From pctl at oakapple.net  Mon Apr  3 16:30:30 2017
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 14:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Section E-F conditions
Message-ID: <201704032130.v33LUUu6029486@server-f.oakapple.net>


The temperature and wind forecast are attractive next week for some of the 
more grueling dry desert sections.

I just checked pctwater.org and read that last month (March) water was
flowing in Tylerhorse Creek, and Golden Oaks and Robin Bird Springs
were in good shape.     Any further update?

There also was a note about the trail between Tylerhorse and
Tiger Tank:

 3/31/16 (Rustic & Teatime): The trail is extremely damaged from the huge 
 storm that came through a few weeks ago, with lots of washouts and uneven 
 trail, especially between mi 541 and 548. 
 Impassable for horses and some people might have trouble too.

The PCTA web site is even more negative, but the report is Dec 2015.
There's also a report that Hwy 58-Willow Springs Rd trail was bad in Oct 2015.
Any further update?

Donna Saufley reported numerous blowdowns on the beginning of section F,
but that was in Feb 2016, so I assume that those were dealt with,
though there might be new ones from the past winter.




From gary_schenk at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  5 09:15:16 2017
From: gary_schenk at yahoo.com (Gary Schenk)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 14:15:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] They're Here
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Yesterday the Better Half took a hike with the dog from Mill Creek Summit to Mt. Pacifico. She met some thrus and gave them a lift to the Acton PO and Hiker Heaven. They'd left Campo in February.

Gary

From doug.swam at outlook.com  Wed Apr  5 12:32:26 2017
From: doug.swam at outlook.com (Doug Swam)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 17:32:26 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Camino Killer sentenced
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-crime-idUSKBN1772AP
[http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources_v2/images/rcom-default.png]<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-crime-idUSKBN1772AP>

Spanish man found guilty of murdering U.S. woman on pilgrim route<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-crime-idUSKBN1772AP>
www.reuters.com
A Spanish man was found guilty on Wednesday of murdering U.S. woman Denise Pikka Thiem as she was walking the Camino de Santiago pilgrimage route in north-west Spain in 2015.




From baidarker at gmail.com  Wed Apr  5 15:09:59 2017
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 13:09:59 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Camino Killer sentenced
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Great!  We escorted a number of women through the area in which she was
last seen when we hiked the Camino just after she vanished in 2015.  He had
actually painted Camino arrows (like the white blazes on the AT) leading
folks away from the actual trail, luring others and the victim off path.
We were all greatly relieved when he was arrested.

And by the way, as much as I love our wilderness trails in the US, I loved
the Camino equally.  You trade our wilderness for 3 or 4 Medieval villages,
art, history and cathedrals each day, and the relative solitude of our
trails for walking with the most interesting folks I've ever hiked
alongside; Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims and every stripe of Christian,
agnostic and atheist from all over the planet.  And then there's the
fabulous lamb in the Pyrenees, seafood and pulpo in Galicia, Spanish
tortillas (no relation to a Mexican tortilla), tapas and cappuccinos
whenever you take a break.  Oh, and the free wine fountain, at which you
fill your water bottles with delicious wine, didn't hurt either.  I'd do it
again just as quick as I'd redo the PCT or the CDT!  But there's so many
other trails out there, I probably won't redo any of them for a while.

Shroomer

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Doug Swam <doug.swam at outlook.com> wrote:

> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-crime-idUSKBN1772AP
> [http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources_v2/images/rcom-default.png]<
> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-crime-idUSKBN1772AP>
>
> Spanish man found guilty of murdering U.S. woman on pilgrim route<
> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-crime-idUSKBN1772AP>
> www.reuters.com
> A Spanish man was found guilty on Wednesday of murdering U.S. woman Denise
> Pikka Thiem as she was walking the Camino de Santiago pilgrimage route in
> north-west Spain in 2015.
>
>
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From veselyjames at gmail.com  Thu Apr  6 08:10:45 2017
From: veselyjames at gmail.com (James Vesely)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 06:10:45 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Half Dome rescue and April snow conditions.
Message-ID: <CAMxQpswymNWXrOrJX1yqMLCfK8q3TPMYZ+2nBceKOiCyQKFY0A@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.nps.gov/yose/blogs/a-winter-trail-run-to-half-dome-nearly-ends-in-disaster.htm

https://www.facebook.com/YosemiteNPS/photos/a.156902234358067.26538.138795446168746/1291185024263110/?type=3&theater

Jim

From stefan.popa at gmx.net  Thu Apr  6 14:33:26 2017
From: stefan.popa at gmx.net (Stefan Popa)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 21:33:26 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Snowshoes sierras june / july
Message-ID: <335f5664-8df2-2aea-9eff-532576eba1ad@gmx.net>

Hello,
i will try to throughhike the pct this year and will
reach KM in mid june (hopefully).
I'm wondering if bringing my snowshoes is a good idea.
Perhaps i can avoid postholing in the afternoons when hiking between two 
passes.
What do you think ?
Kind Regards
Stefan

From brick at brickrobbins.com  Thu Apr  6 15:14:35 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 13:14:35 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Snowshoes sierras june / july
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On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:
> I'm wondering if bringing my snowshoes is a good idea.
> Perhaps i can avoid postholing in the afternoons when hiking between two
> passes.
> What do you think ?

I think would be a waste of weight to carry snowshoes.

They are made for walking on loose snow, not the consolidated sun
cupped stuff you will be walking on. I've seen lots of devices (and
tried several) that were intended to prevent postholing, and never
found one that worked.

This is what you are going to be walking on, and post-holing in.
Snowshoes aren't going to be usable
http://climber.org/reports/images/1400/1487-ScimitarPassSatansSunCups.jpg

I would be interested in trying Snowfoot but it looks like they never
went into production
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3SCtEcB4_4

From brick at brickrobbins.com  Thu Apr  6 17:27:24 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 15:27:24 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Snowshoes sierras june / july
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Skis and snowshoes are for un-consolidated winter snow.

Neither is really going to help you much on a typical pct hike.
 did you look at the picture of the sun cups I included in the last email?

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Richard Sturm <r-sturm at msn.com> wrote:

> How about cross country skis?
>
>
> R. Sturm
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of Brick Robbins <
> brick at brickrobbins.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 6, 2017 3:14 PM
> *To:* Stefan Popa; Ned tibbits
> *Cc:* PCT
> *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Snowshoes sierras june / july
>
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:
> > I'm wondering if bringing my snowshoes is a good idea.
> > Perhaps i can avoid postholing in the afternoons when hiking between two
> > passes.
> > What do you think ?
>
> I think would be a waste of weight to carry snowshoes.
>
> They are made for walking on loose snow, not the consolidated sun
> cupped stuff you will be walking on. I've seen lots of devices (and
> tried several) that were intended to prevent postholing, and never
> found one that worked.
>
> This is what you are going to be walking on, and post-holing in.
> Snowshoes aren't going to be usable
> http://climber.org/reports/images/1400/1487-ScimitarPassSatansSunCups.jpg
>
> I would be interested in trying Snowfoot but it looks like they never
> went into production
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3SCtEcB4_4
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3SCtEcB4_4>
> Snowfoot : the radical step in mountain mobility
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3SCtEcB4_4>
> www.youtube.com
> Team Snowfoot presents 'the radical step in mountain mobility' on
> Indiegogo. Support our campaign and step into snow!
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From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  6 17:34:45 2017
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 16:34:45 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Snowshoes sierras june / july
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Snowshoeing on spring snow is like walking on ball bearings.  The cleats 
don't grab.  Every step involves a slide sideways or backwards.  It can 
be worse than post-holing in terms of energy spent...

Jeff
Laramie, WY

On 4/6/2017 4:27 PM, Brick Robbins wrote:
> Skis and snowshoes are for un-consolidated winter snow.
>
> Neither is really going to help you much on a typical pct hike.
>   did you look at the picture of the sun cups I included in the last email?
>
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Richard Sturm <r-sturm at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> How about cross country skis?
>>
>>
>> R. Sturm
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of Brick Robbins <
>> brick at brickrobbins.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 6, 2017 3:14 PM
>> *To:* Stefan Popa; Ned tibbits
>> *Cc:* PCT
>> *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Snowshoes sierras june / july
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:
>>> I'm wondering if bringing my snowshoes is a good idea.
>>> Perhaps i can avoid postholing in the afternoons when hiking between two
>>> passes.
>>> What do you think ?
>> I think would be a waste of weight to carry snowshoes.
>>
>> They are made for walking on loose snow, not the consolidated sun
>> cupped stuff you will be walking on. I've seen lots of devices (and
>> tried several) that were intended to prevent postholing, and never
>> found one that worked.
>>
>> This is what you are going to be walking on, and post-holing in.
>> Snowshoes aren't going to be usable
>> http://climber.org/reports/images/1400/1487-ScimitarPassSatansSunCups.jpg
>>
>> I would be interested in trying Snowfoot but it looks like they never
>> went into production
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3SCtEcB4_4
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3SCtEcB4_4>
>> Snowfoot : the radical step in mountain mobility
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3SCtEcB4_4>
>> www.youtube.com
>> Team Snowfoot presents 'the radical step in mountain mobility' on
>> Indiegogo. Support our campaign and step into snow!
>>
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From stefan.popa at gmx.net  Fri Apr  7 01:42:26 2017
From: stefan.popa at gmx.net (Stefan Popa)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 08:42:26 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Snowshoes sierras june / july
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Yes i saw the suncups, thanks for the reminder.

It would be less fun to walk on them with snowshoes than with hikingboots.

Stefan


Am 07.04.2017 um 00:27 schrieb Brick Robbins:
> Skis and snowshoes are for un-consolidated winter snow.
>
> Neither is really going to help you much on a typical pct hike.
>   did you look at the picture of the sun cups I included in the last email?
>
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Richard Sturm <r-sturm at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> How about cross country skis?
>>
>>
>> R. Sturm
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of Brick Robbins <
>> brick at brickrobbins.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 6, 2017 3:14 PM
>> *To:* Stefan Popa; Ned tibbits
>> *Cc:* PCT
>> *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Snowshoes sierras june / july
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:
>>> I'm wondering if bringing my snowshoes is a good idea.
>>> Perhaps i can avoid postholing in the afternoons when hiking between two
>>> passes.
>>> What do you think ?
>> I think would be a waste of weight to carry snowshoes.
>>
>> They are made for walking on loose snow, not the consolidated sun
>> cupped stuff you will be walking on. I've seen lots of devices (and
>> tried several) that were intended to prevent postholing, and never
>> found one that worked.
>>
>> This is what you are going to be walking on, and post-holing in.
>> Snowshoes aren't going to be usable
>> http://climber.org/reports/images/1400/1487-ScimitarPassSatansSunCups.jpg
>>
>> I would be interested in trying Snowfoot but it looks like they never
>> went into production
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3SCtEcB4_4
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3SCtEcB4_4>
>> Snowfoot : the radical step in mountain mobility
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3SCtEcB4_4>
>> www.youtube.com
>> Team Snowfoot presents 'the radical step in mountain mobility' on
>> Indiegogo. Support our campaign and step into snow!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pct-L mailing list
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From stefan.popa at gmx.net  Mon Apr 10 11:51:38 2017
From: stefan.popa at gmx.net (Stefan Popa)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 18:51:38 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
Message-ID: <17d88f8e-180c-b56c-4b76-75f66a0f7bc5@gmx.net>

Hi Folks,
because of the epic snow year we are facing i bought a pair of Kahtoola 
K10 crampons
instead of the microspikes.
Next question is: do i need boots for the crampons or can i use them 
with trailrunners ?
Does anyone use them successful with trailrunners?
Would you bring crampons / iceaxe to Mt. San Jacinto this year (mid may) ?
Happy Hiking and god bless you all

From stefan.popa at gmx.net  Mon Apr 10 13:32:23 2017
From: stefan.popa at gmx.net (Stefan Popa)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:32:23 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] International Thruhiker needs help with ATT gophone
Message-ID: <4a4d7824-3cf1-b3b0-cbf7-a77297750b7b@gmx.net>

Hello, perhaps anyone can help me with ATT Gophone.

I have an LG K220 cell phone. It is unlocked and can operate on the UMTS 
Frequencies 850 Mhz / 1900 Mhz.

The Gophone Website says that is sufficient to be compatible.

Chatpartner says IMEI is uncompatible / unknown, i have to buy new phone.

When i try to order the sim card it says: Plan must be choosen.

Can anyone please give me an advise how i can get this sim card ?

Or is it better to go to the ATT Shop in San Diego to get it ?

Thanks in advance

Stefan


From scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com  Mon Apr 10 13:57:37 2017
From: scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com (Scott Diamond)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 11:57:37 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
In-Reply-To: <17d88f8e-180c-b56c-4b76-75f66a0f7bc5@gmx.net>
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Hi Stefan,

I used K10 last year on the PCT (of course there were not many places that
I needed to put them on last year). They worked fine with my trail shoes.
Once one they provide a high level of confidence but they are somewhat of a
pain to put on/take off. You might consider having a pair of microspikes in
reserve to be mailed to you when you get further north. Microspikes are
much easier to deal with (easy on/off and easy to pack).

I'd bring crampon & ice axe for San Jacinto this year but maybe the locals
have better info than I do.

       -Rover



On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> because of the epic snow year we are facing i bought a pair of Kahtoola
> K10 crampons
> instead of the microspikes.
> Next question is: do i need boots for the crampons or can i use them with
> trailrunners ?
> Does anyone use them successful with trailrunners?
> Would you bring crampons / iceaxe to Mt. San Jacinto this year (mid may) ?
> Happy Hiking and god bless you all
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From thomas at stachl.me  Mon Apr 10 11:56:55 2017
From: thomas at stachl.me (Thomas Stachl)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:56:55 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
In-Reply-To: <17d88f8e-180c-b56c-4b76-75f66a0f7bc5@gmx.net>
References: <17d88f8e-180c-b56c-4b76-75f66a0f7bc5@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CAKUiQ9tA+92maPawuWmpBYXgYnaSTYFCef3FQpJNTRK24j0Sig@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stefan,

here is a nice review on the K10 crampons: https://youtu.be/dCNzyZhHxWA

It seems like the flex bar on the K10 allows them to be used with trail
runners as well.

Best,
Thomas

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:51 AM Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> because of the epic snow year we are facing i bought a pair of Kahtoola
> K10 crampons
> instead of the microspikes.
> Next question is: do i need boots for the crampons or can i use them
> with trailrunners ?
> Does anyone use them successful with trailrunners?
> Would you bring crampons / iceaxe to Mt. San Jacinto this year (mid may) ?
> Happy Hiking and god bless you all
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From brick at brickrobbins.com  Mon Apr 10 15:10:30 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:10:30 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
In-Reply-To: <CAKUiQ9tA+92maPawuWmpBYXgYnaSTYFCef3FQpJNTRK24j0Sig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17d88f8e-180c-b56c-4b76-75f66a0f7bc5@gmx.net>
 <CAKUiQ9tA+92maPawuWmpBYXgYnaSTYFCef3FQpJNTRK24j0Sig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALV1Nzm5-md=TPBqf_5OYKHYnP1QdRKBqKrjo+Z_20U3BO-yCA@mail.gmail.com>

Having hiked in a high snow year (1995) and I would not worry too much
about crampons. You will find you use them rarely, except cold
mornings. The rest of the time the snow will be too soft to matter. I
hiked in trial runners.

An Ice axe and the knowledge of how to use it will be much more useful
- I would say mandatory or at least a pole with a self arrest handle,
but you can't chop steps with a pole

From pctl at marcusschwartz.com  Mon Apr 10 22:43:50 2017
From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:43:50 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] International Thruhiker needs help with ATT gophone
In-Reply-To: <4a4d7824-3cf1-b3b0-cbf7-a77297750b7b@gmx.net>
References: <4a4d7824-3cf1-b3b0-cbf7-a77297750b7b@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <b4bcd0f6-88f8-7667-c0cd-fdbce8feec3f@marcusschwartz.com>

I'm not expert on AT&T's GoPhone line, but maybe they're saying the K220
is incompatible because it doesn't support AT&T's LTE bands.  GSMArena
shows that phone as capable of LTE bands 1, 3, 7, 8, and 20.  But, AT&T
uses 2, 4, 12, and 17.  I once had a carrier refuse to activate a
4G-capable phone without 4G service, maybe that's what's happening here.

That said, two things:

1. US Phone carriers are terrible at figuring out what phones are
compatible with their network -- they're used to people buying phones
directly from (and subsidized by) the carrier.  On 3 different
occasions, I've had to call my carrier to activate a SIM, because my
carrier's web site said my phone and/or SIM was incompatible.

2. In the US, CDMA carriers have much better coverage outside cities
than GSM carriers.  Verizon in particular has the best PCT coverage.

 -=Marcus

On 04/10/2017 11:32 AM, Stefan Popa wrote:
> Hello, perhaps anyone can help me with ATT Gophone.
> 
> I have an LG K220 cell phone. It is unlocked and can operate on the UMTS
> Frequencies 850 Mhz / 1900 Mhz.
> 
> The Gophone Website says that is sufficient to be compatible.
> 
> Chatpartner says IMEI is uncompatible / unknown, i have to buy new phone.
> 
> When i try to order the sim card it says: Plan must be choosen.
> 
> Can anyone please give me an advise how i can get this sim card ?
> 
> Or is it better to go to the ATT Shop in San Diego to get it ?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Stefan
> 
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From baidarker at gmail.com  Mon Apr 10 23:10:00 2017
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:10:00 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
In-Reply-To: <CALV1Nzm5-md=TPBqf_5OYKHYnP1QdRKBqKrjo+Z_20U3BO-yCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17d88f8e-180c-b56c-4b76-75f66a0f7bc5@gmx.net>
 <CAKUiQ9tA+92maPawuWmpBYXgYnaSTYFCef3FQpJNTRK24j0Sig@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALV1Nzm5-md=TPBqf_5OYKHYnP1QdRKBqKrjo+Z_20U3BO-yCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxcj11q1VL7rEARE25eeR3v3U7u3-P3y3sn=5A8j8Yqh7bugA@mail.gmail.com>

 They're great for trail runners and were designed with them in mind.  I
used them daily in 2010, another high snow year as we just never got a melt
out on an above average snow pack, which meant 5 weeks of snow travel.  I
used the earlier, aluminum spike form, which is  no longer available.  The
two of us who used them in our group, loved them and I counted them as some
of my favorite gear on that thru hike.  Perfect for trail runners and they
provide a more secure platform than microspikes when cutting steps on steep
traverses.  An ice axe or whippet should be in hand whenever you're using
cramps.

Have a great hike!

Shroomer

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
wrote:

> Having hiked in a high snow year (1995) and I would not worry too much
> about crampons. You will find you use them rarely, except cold
> mornings. The rest of the time the snow will be too soft to matter. I
> hiked in trial runners.
>
> An Ice axe and the knowledge of how to use it will be much more useful
> - I would say mandatory or at least a pole with a self arrest handle,
> but you can't chop steps with a pole
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From nobohiker at gmail.com  Mon Apr 10 23:56:03 2017
From: nobohiker at gmail.com (NoBo Hiker)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:56:03 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] International Thruhiker needs help with ATT gophone
In-Reply-To: <4a4d7824-3cf1-b3b0-cbf7-a77297750b7b@gmx.net>
References: <4a4d7824-3cf1-b3b0-cbf7-a77297750b7b@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <DF9C4DAC-0E53-4C72-8F01-B0C13C75B940@gmail.com>

this particular phone model has probably not been tested and approved by AT&T, hence, they won?t formally allow it on their network.
I?d call an independent store in San Diego ahead of your arrival and ask if they can make this phone work.

Happy Trails!


> On Apr 10, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello, perhaps anyone can help me with ATT Gophone.
> 
> I have an LG K220 cell phone. It is unlocked and can operate on the UMTS Frequencies 850 Mhz / 1900 Mhz.
> 
> The Gophone Website says that is sufficient to be compatible.
> 
> Chatpartner says IMEI is uncompatible / unknown, i have to buy new phone.
> 
> When i try to order the sim card it says: Plan must be choosen.
> 
> Can anyone please give me an advise how i can get this sim card ?
> 
> Or is it better to go to the ATT Shop in San Diego to get it ?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Stefan
> 
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From nobohiker at gmail.com  Tue Apr 11 00:01:29 2017
From: nobohiker at gmail.com (NoBo Hiker)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 22:01:29 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] DeLorme inReach Explorer
Message-ID: <4254C416-73C3-4C8E-8326-743E93F864A1@gmail.com>

Dear PCT-L,

I was asked by a friend overseas to purchase one of the last few DeLorme inReach Explorer at an REI sale but it turned out the product has already been used before, so I am not sure about it?s condition.
I can?t replace the product since it is no longer on sale (except the much more expensive Garmin one). So I am trying to figure out if it?s working, but it turns out nothing can be done without activating the device.
Does anyone know of a way to test it?

Thanks & Happy Trails

Section Hiker Rick



From sdscpcts at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 12 19:48:26 2017
From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (sdscpcts)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 17:48:26 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO
Message-ID: <1855697736.1108212.1492042843604@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
? ? ?I asked a friend who is active in the ADZPCTKO committee if there is anything happening this year. Here is what he said:

      Wolverines will be there to do pack shakedowns. We will probably have a water report. Just tell them, all the info will be up on the website and Facebook by the first of the week. (I still haven't located this information).
There will be a ?kick off, but it will be very low key. No vendors, no talks. Just us welcoming the hikers as they come in. It is the weekend of April 22nd.?

? ? ?He told me that the committee had reserved all the campsites for the weekend of 21-23 April, but they would eventually release the ones that they weren't going to be using. It appears that they have done that now and that there are still about 25 site that currently are shown as available on the Lake Morena County Park website. So if you want to be out there that weekend, you can go to the park's website and register for a site.?
? ? ?The reason that no vendors will be displaying their products is that with only 50 through hikers coming through each day it wasn't worth their efforts.?
? ? ?Also the county parks changed their operations to greatly restrict the number of people who can stay in each campsite and they made it very difficult for the committee to reserve the campground a year in advance. So the committee decided to down scale their operations to just greet the through hikers as they come through.?
? ? ? ? ? ? ?Rob?
    

From stefan.popa at gmx.net  Thu Apr 13 04:28:16 2017
From: stefan.popa at gmx.net (Stefan Popa)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:28:16 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Sending winter gear to KM
Message-ID: <8e98e18c-cc10-29f9-3b8b-f7f85654261b@gmx.net>

Hello, i didn't found the information so i try to get here.
I want to ship my gear to KM on April 26 and pick it up on June 15.
So that's more than 30 days (the duration usps post offices hold packages).
Do KM hold it for more than 30 days ?
Is there a general rule ? How long do non usps resupply points hold your 
package.
Until ETA ?
Kind regards
Stefan


From brick at brickrobbins.com  Thu Apr 13 11:49:34 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:49:34 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Sending winter gear to KM
In-Reply-To: <8e98e18c-cc10-29f9-3b8b-f7f85654261b@gmx.net>
References: <8e98e18c-cc10-29f9-3b8b-f7f85654261b@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CALV1NznrKWf5M=2a5_WM9B=94KVHZQ+H=kZmm8jQjkgutBJJ+Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:28 AM, Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:
> Hello, i didn't found the information so i try to get here.
> I want to ship my gear to KM on April 26 and pick it up on June 15.
> So that's more than 30 days (the duration usps post offices hold packages).
> Do KM hold it for more than 30 days ?
> Is there a general rule ? How long do non usps resupply points hold your
> package.

I can't speak authoritatively nor officially, but when I was there KM
had a large room in the back full of packages. They kept them a long
time. Most of the mail drop places, even the post offices, go way out
of their way, and above and beyond the call of duty, to help out
hikers. Just treat their good will and help as trail magic, not as en
entitlement.

The most important thing is to make your parcel easy to spot among the
hundreds stacked on shelves and on the floor. Paint it bright purple
with yellow polka dots on all sides, so you can see a corner of it
poking out from under other boxes

Someone may know better

From stefan.popa at gmx.net  Thu Apr 13 12:53:05 2017
From: stefan.popa at gmx.net (Stefan Popa)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 19:53:05 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Sending winter gear to KM
In-Reply-To: <CALV1NznrKWf5M=2a5_WM9B=94KVHZQ+H=kZmm8jQjkgutBJJ+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e98e18c-cc10-29f9-3b8b-f7f85654261b@gmx.net>
 <CALV1NznrKWf5M=2a5_WM9B=94KVHZQ+H=kZmm8jQjkgutBJJ+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1cdd7801-74e2-e91c-dd21-21947f571bb2@gmx.net>

Hi, yeah great answer. The Guy from KM just told me that they hold

the package "FOR THE SEASON" :-)

That's great, i did'nt know how it is handled by the "non usps" mail 
drop places.

But i don't know if this is a general rule

El Duro


Am 13.04.2017 um 18:49 schrieb Brick Robbins:
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:28 AM, Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:
>> Hello, i didn't found the information so i try to get here.
>> I want to ship my gear to KM on April 26 and pick it up on June 15.
>> So that's more than 30 days (the duration usps post offices hold packages).
>> Do KM hold it for more than 30 days ?
>> Is there a general rule ? How long do non usps resupply points hold your
>> package.
> I can't speak authoritatively nor officially, but when I was there KM
> had a large room in the back full of packages. They kept them a long
> time. Most of the mail drop places, even the post offices, go way out
> of their way, and above and beyond the call of duty, to help out
> hikers. Just treat their good will and help as trail magic, not as en
> entitlement.
>
> The most important thing is to make your parcel easy to spot among the
> hundreds stacked on shelves and on the floor. Paint it bright purple
> with yellow polka dots on all sides, so you can see a corner of it
> poking out from under other boxes
>
> Someone may know better
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From pctl at oakapple.net  Thu Apr 13 14:55:55 2017
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:55:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Sec G: Long Valley Loop Road to Manter Creek
Message-ID: <201704131955.v3DJttYs021494@server-f.oakapple.net>


On April 11 I filled a gap south of Kennedy Meadows South.

Manter Creek in Rockhouse Basin was running well.   One actually had to use
the steppingstones to cross it.      There was even a tiny bit of snow 
around 7000' on the trail.    There also was water running along and in 
the Long Valley Loop Road, about half a mile south of the trail crossing.
That was not there last year around Easter time.

The trail is in great shape.    There is one 12" tree trunk
that might trouble stock, about a mile downhill from the road,
but it's serving as an effective cattle guard for now.    There were plenty
of cow pies on the trail above the tree and none below.

As is often the case with section hikers, the 4 hour drive from Hwy 178
was more exciting than the 4 mile hike.
The north arm of Long Valley Loop Road is permanently closed; so much
for the "Loop."
The south arm of Long Valley Loop Road, from near the Chimney Creek
Campground, is just one thrill after another.    You can probably
get through to the PCT trailhead in a passenger car, but borrow one from
somebody you don't like much.    An SUV is better, but remembering the
deteriorating funkiness of the last mile to the trailhead, I parked
at a wide spot for an old trailhead about a mile south of the PCT.
I wished I had brought some kind of saw, even a handsaw, to deal with
the blowdowns across the road.    There were three trucks parked along
the road, including a BLM truck at Long Valley
Campground but I guess he wasn't there to do logging.     However somebody
had worked on one of the bad spots during the time I was parked.    The worst
spot involved driving into a ditch to bypass a tree blocking most of the road.

Dayhikers as strong as I used to be could easily hike the 22 miles
between Kennedy Meadows and Chimney Creek Campground in one day, simplifying
the car shuttle.    Being able to hike this section is pleasant weather is
one of the rewards of day and section hiking.

David Hough

http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/resources.html 

From baidarker at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 15:06:20 2017
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:06:20 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Sending winter gear to KM
In-Reply-To: <1cdd7801-74e2-e91c-dd21-21947f571bb2@gmx.net>
References: <8e98e18c-cc10-29f9-3b8b-f7f85654261b@gmx.net>
 <CALV1NznrKWf5M=2a5_WM9B=94KVHZQ+H=kZmm8jQjkgutBJJ+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1cdd7801-74e2-e91c-dd21-21947f571bb2@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CAGxcj13QkjQPenREawsunBgBR+dGMgFFvRRZ=yUMcxtz5ZFj5g@mail.gmail.com>

It's also important to write on each package: *Please hold for PCT Thru
hiker, ETA:  ________ *whatever date you think you may be there.  And as
Brick notes, anything you can do to make your package easy to spot is worth
it as they'll be going through a pile of boxes.  I have the additional
problem when on the PCT in years when Scott Williamson is also on trail,
that I'm often given his boxes and I have to read that label really
carefully to make sure it's mine and not his.

Have a great hike!

Shroomer

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi, yeah great answer. The Guy from KM just told me that they hold
>
> the package "FOR THE SEASON" :-)
>
> That's great, i did'nt know how it is handled by the "non usps" mail drop
> places.
>
> But i don't know if this is a general rule
>
> El Duro
>
>
>
> Am 13.04.2017 um 18:49 schrieb Brick Robbins:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:28 AM, Stefan Popa <stefan.popa at gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, i didn't found the information so i try to get here.
>>> I want to ship my gear to KM on April 26 and pick it up on June 15.
>>> So that's more than 30 days (the duration usps post offices hold
>>> packages).
>>> Do KM hold it for more than 30 days ?
>>> Is there a general rule ? How long do non usps resupply points hold your
>>> package.
>>>
>> I can't speak authoritatively nor officially, but when I was there KM
>> had a large room in the back full of packages. They kept them a long
>> time. Most of the mail drop places, even the post offices, go way out
>> of their way, and above and beyond the call of duty, to help out
>> hikers. Just treat their good will and help as trail magic, not as en
>> entitlement.
>>
>> The most important thing is to make your parcel easy to spot among the
>> hundreds stacked on shelves and on the floor. Paint it bright purple
>> with yellow polka dots on all sides, so you can see a corner of it
>> poking out from under other boxes
>>
>> Someone may know better
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pct-L mailing list
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From pctl at oakapple.net  Thu Apr 13 15:27:08 2017
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:27:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] Sec E: 230th St to Hwy 58
Message-ID: <201704132027.v3DKR8Mp022188@server-f.oakapple.net>


On 8-10 April I hiked from Hwy 58 at Tehachapi Pass to 230th St on the
aqueduct, a trail distance of about 38 miles.     The flowers were stunning
in places, and the wind on 8 April was better than a CPAP machine.
I'll report northbound.

Water: 

Cottonwood Creek is flowing well at the bridge - something I'd not seen
before.    There was also water cached in the area, in the ramada and
behind a wall in a little building atop the aqueduct.

Tylerhorse Canyon creek was flowing well too.
I think Tylerhorse is reliable during northbound through hiking season.
Surprisingly, there was good water flowing in Gamble Spring Canyon
and in an unnamed canyon halfway between.    I don't recall seeing those
before.

Up at the top of the hill, the Mile 549 Trail Angels from Tehachapi
were already set up with cold drinks and treats.       There's a log book
and a place to leave donations.

The Tiger Tank that I remembered from years ago has been dry for
quite a while, and the big news is that Oak Canyon Creek is completely dry.
Early in April after a heavy rain year!    I suppose that the fire destroyed
the watershed and whatever water is shed is completely used by the ranches
upstream.

There was a water cache just after the Oak Canyon Creek bridge, just as the
trail reaches the Tehachapi-Willow Springs Rd.    I didn't check for
a cache near Hwy 58.

Trail:

The Tehachapi Mountains seem to be glorified
sand dunes, or gruss dunes.    Very little rock outcropping.     This means
that when it rains, it has a dramatic effect.     All the trails wash out
in the washes and side canyons.    There were slipouts starting after
Tylerhorse Canyon and continuing for about a mile east of Gamble Spring
Canyon.    Some of these might be a problem for stock - they could make
unsteady hikers a little uncomfortable.     There was a hard-working youth
trail crew on our way out so maybe they were able to fix some of the
slipouts.    

No trees across the trail until reaching the prime Pirate Dirt Bike Zone, 
from mile 550 to 555.    The trees across the trail were carefully selected to
discourage dirt bikers without hindering stock much.
 
There were dirt bike tracks almost everywhere else.    One in particular
caused a problem hiking southbound in the Manzanita Wind Farm where the
PCT was easily missed when it branched off from a dirt bike trail,
because the PCT tread was buried in poppies.    Through hikers next month
will just have to imagine the flowers.
Mostly the wind farm was well signed and shouldn't be a problem for
northbounders.

David Hough

http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/resources.html


From JimLBanks at verizon.net  Thu Apr 13 15:38:50 2017
From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (Jim Banks)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:38:50 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Sec E: 230th St to Hwy 58
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Thanks for the trail update David.  I would encourage more hikers to post
this type of information, it is very useful to those coming along later.

I-Beam

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of David Hough
reading PCT-L
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:27 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Sec E: 230th St to Hwy 58


On 8-10 April I hiked from Hwy 58 at Tehachapi Pass to 230th St on the
aqueduct, a trail distance of about 38 miles.     The flowers were stunning
in places, and the wind on 8 April was better than a CPAP machine.
I'll report northbound.

Water: 

Cottonwood Creek is flowing well at the bridge - something I'd not seen
before.    There was also water cached in the area, in the ramada and
behind a wall in a little building atop the aqueduct.

Tylerhorse Canyon creek was flowing well too.
I think Tylerhorse is reliable during northbound through hiking season.
Surprisingly, there was good water flowing in Gamble Spring Canyon
and in an unnamed canyon halfway between.    I don't recall seeing those
before.

Up at the top of the hill, the Mile 549 Trail Angels from Tehachapi
were already set up with cold drinks and treats.       There's a log book
and a place to leave donations.

The Tiger Tank that I remembered from years ago has been dry for quite a
while, and the big news is that Oak Canyon Creek is completely dry.
Early in April after a heavy rain year!    I suppose that the fire destroyed
the watershed and whatever water is shed is completely used by the ranches
upstream.

There was a water cache just after the Oak Canyon Creek bridge, just as the
trail reaches the Tehachapi-Willow Springs Rd.    I didn't check for
a cache near Hwy 58.

Trail:

The Tehachapi Mountains seem to be glorified
sand dunes, or gruss dunes.    Very little rock outcropping.     This means
that when it rains, it has a dramatic effect.     All the trails wash out
in the washes and side canyons.    There were slipouts starting after
Tylerhorse Canyon and continuing for about a mile east of Gamble Spring
Canyon.    Some of these might be a problem for stock - they could make
unsteady hikers a little uncomfortable.     There was a hard-working youth
trail crew on our way out so maybe they were able to fix some of the
slipouts.    

No trees across the trail until reaching the prime Pirate Dirt Bike Zone, 
from mile 550 to 555.    The trees across the trail were carefully selected
to
discourage dirt bikers without hindering stock much.
 
There were dirt bike tracks almost everywhere else.    One in particular
caused a problem hiking southbound in the Manzanita Wind Farm where the PCT
was easily missed when it branched off from a dirt bike trail,
because the PCT tread was buried in poppies.    Through hikers next month
will just have to imagine the flowers.
Mostly the wind farm was well signed and shouldn't be a problem for
northbounders.

David Hough

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From ned at mountaineducation.org  Fri Apr 14 02:24:03 2017
From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 00:24:03 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
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No, you do not need boots with the K-10s, but when on crusty or icy surfaces
on snow, you may be glad you did.

Fuller Ridge may cause another PCT thru hiker SAR call-out if you don't have
a way to self-arrest.


Ned Tibbits, Director
Mountain Education, Inc.
ned at mountaineducation.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Stefan Popa
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:52 AM
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?

Hi Folks,
because of the epic snow year we are facing i bought a pair of Kahtoola
K10 crampons
instead of the microspikes.
Next question is: do i need boots for the crampons or can i use them with
trailrunners ?
Does anyone use them successful with trailrunners?
Would you bring crampons / iceaxe to Mt. San Jacinto this year (mid may) ?
Happy Hiking and god bless you all
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From stefan.popa at gmx.net  Fri Apr 14 04:47:12 2017
From: stefan.popa at gmx.net (Stefan Popa)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 11:47:12 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
In-Reply-To: <139501d2b4f0$182a1ed0$487e5c70$@mountaineducation.org>
References: <17d88f8e-180c-b56c-4b76-75f66a0f7bc5@gmx.net>
 <139501d2b4f0$182a1ed0$487e5c70$@mountaineducation.org>
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I have two options for the sierras:

1) full leather boots (http://www.hanwag.de/waxenstein-bio)

     pro: completely worn in, comfortable to hike in and adjustable in 
ankle support, durable, can kick steps.

     con: rel. heavy (1,6 Kg), dry slow when wet, get heavier when wet, 
get wet when river crossing with them and in wet snow

2) Trailrunners

     pro: light, fast dry. Can cross rivers with them, no need for water 
shoes.

     con: no ankle support, dangerous on steep icy slopes.

I don't know which one i will wear, so i ship both to KM.

I have 700 miles then to meditate about that matter



Am 14.04.2017 um 09:24 schrieb ned at mountaineducation.org:
> No, you do not need boots with the K-10s, but when on crusty or icy surfaces
> on snow, you may be glad you did.
>
> Fuller Ridge may cause another PCT thru hiker SAR call-out if you don't have
> a way to self-arrest.
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education, Inc.
> ned at mountaineducation.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Stefan Popa
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:52 AM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
>
> Hi Folks,
> because of the epic snow year we are facing i bought a pair of Kahtoola
> K10 crampons
> instead of the microspikes.
> Next question is: do i need boots for the crampons or can i use them with
> trailrunners ?
> Does anyone use them successful with trailrunners?
> Would you bring crampons / iceaxe to Mt. San Jacinto this year (mid may) ?
> Happy Hiking and god bless you all
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From pctl at marcusschwartz.com  Fri Apr 14 12:01:24 2017
From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:01:24 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
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 <139501d2b4f0$182a1ed0$487e5c70$@mountaineducation.org>
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My observation last year was that about zero percent of thru-hikers wore
leather boots.  Trail runners 100%.  Some JMT hikers had boots, but no
thru-hikers.

There were about 1 or 2 days on my hike when I would've liked boots --
maybe -- and they were due to unpredictable weather.  Weight and
breathability/dryability are king.

 -=Marcus

On 04/14/2017 02:47 AM, Stefan Popa wrote:
> I have two options for the sierras:
> 
> 1) full leather boots (http://www.hanwag.de/waxenstein-bio)
> 
>     pro: completely worn in, comfortable to hike in and adjustable in
> ankle support, durable, can kick steps.
> 
>     con: rel. heavy (1,6 Kg), dry slow when wet, get heavier when wet,
> get wet when river crossing with them and in wet snow
> 
> 2) Trailrunners
> 
>     pro: light, fast dry. Can cross rivers with them, no need for water
> shoes.
> 
>     con: no ankle support, dangerous on steep icy slopes.
> 
> I don't know which one i will wear, so i ship both to KM.
> 
> I have 700 miles then to meditate about that matter
> 
> 
> 
> Am 14.04.2017 um 09:24 schrieb ned at mountaineducation.org:
>> No, you do not need boots with the K-10s, but when on crusty or icy
>> surfaces
>> on snow, you may be glad you did.
>>
>> Fuller Ridge may cause another PCT thru hiker SAR call-out if you
>> don't have
>> a way to self-arrest.
>>
>>
>> Ned Tibbits, Director
>> Mountain Education, Inc.
>> ned at mountaineducation.org
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Stefan
>> Popa
>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:52 AM
>> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>> because of the epic snow year we are facing i bought a pair of Kahtoola
>> K10 crampons
>> instead of the microspikes.
>> Next question is: do i need boots for the crampons or can i use them with
>> trailrunners ?
>> Does anyone use them successful with trailrunners?
>> Would you bring crampons / iceaxe to Mt. San Jacinto this year (mid
>> may) ?
>> Happy Hiking and god bless you all
>> _______________________________________________
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From stefan.popa at gmx.net  Fri Apr 14 13:45:54 2017
From: stefan.popa at gmx.net (Stefan Popa)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 20:45:54 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
In-Reply-To: <139501d2b4f0$182a1ed0$487e5c70$@mountaineducation.org>
References: <17d88f8e-180c-b56c-4b76-75f66a0f7bc5@gmx.net>
 <139501d2b4f0$182a1ed0$487e5c70$@mountaineducation.org>
Message-ID: <da6c710a-c4b4-b3bd-9be7-8aac021f79bc@gmx.net>

Thanks for the hint with Fuller Ridge. I will ship my self arrest gear 
to Idillwild then.

Stefan


Am 14.04.2017 um 09:24 schrieb ned at mountaineducation.org:
> No, you do not need boots with the K-10s, but when on crusty or icy surfaces
> on snow, you may be glad you did.
>
> Fuller Ridge may cause another PCT thru hiker SAR call-out if you don't have
> a way to self-arrest.
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education, Inc.
> ned at mountaineducation.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Stefan Popa
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:52 AM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
>
> Hi Folks,
> because of the epic snow year we are facing i bought a pair of Kahtoola
> K10 crampons
> instead of the microspikes.
> Next question is: do i need boots for the crampons or can i use them with
> trailrunners ?
> Does anyone use them successful with trailrunners?
> Would you bring crampons / iceaxe to Mt. San Jacinto this year (mid may) ?
> Happy Hiking and god bless you all
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From SaintGimp at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 14 17:00:08 2017
From: SaintGimp at hotmail.com (Eric Lee)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 22:00:08 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
In-Reply-To: <139501d2b4f0$182a1ed0$487e5c70$@mountaineducation.org>
References: <17d88f8e-180c-b56c-4b76-75f66a0f7bc5@gmx.net>
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Message-ID: <CY4PR19MB122275886DAAC0580909AE5CBD050@CY4PR19MB1222.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Ned wrote:
>
Fuller Ridge may cause another PCT thru hiker SAR call-out if you don't have a way to self-arrest.
>

Note that Stefan was asking about Fuller Ridge in mid-May.  I don't know what the conditions might be like then, but it's probably going to be different than what it's like now (which, judging from reports, sounds like full mountaineering gear is currently warranted).

Eric

From comrade2u at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 14 17:13:47 2017
From: comrade2u at yahoo.com (Michael Volkov)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 15:13:47 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
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 <139501d2b4f0$182a1ed0$487e5c70$@mountaineducation.org>
 <CY4PR19MB122275886DAAC0580909AE5CBD050@CY4PR19MB1222.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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Latest report from Nomad Ventures guys, who hiked it 2days ago, it's ok for microspikes in the morning, and slushy enough in the afternoon for a careful jaunt. Beyond that, they were rather nonchalant about its severity
Just sayin...

?Sent from TypeApp ?

On Apr 14, 2017, 15:00, at 15:00, Eric Lee <SaintGimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ned wrote:
>>
>Fuller Ridge may cause another PCT thru hiker SAR call-out if you don't
>have a way to self-arrest.
>>
>
>Note that Stefan was asking about Fuller Ridge in mid-May.  I don't
>know what the conditions might be like then, but it's probably going to
>be different than what it's like now (which, judging from reports,
>sounds like full mountaineering gear is currently warranted).
>
>Eric
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From comrade2u at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 14 17:14:42 2017
From: comrade2u at yahoo.com (Michael Volkov)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 15:14:42 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
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Oh, I'm taking the K10' in the morning only because I have them

?Sent from TypeApp ?

On Apr 14, 2017, 15:00, at 15:00, Eric Lee <SaintGimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ned wrote:
>>
>Fuller Ridge may cause another PCT thru hiker SAR call-out if you don't
>have a way to self-arrest.
>>
>
>Note that Stefan was asking about Fuller Ridge in mid-May.  I don't
>know what the conditions might be like then, but it's probably going to
>be different than what it's like now (which, judging from reports,
>sounds like full mountaineering gear is currently warranted).
>
>Eric
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From comrade2u at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 14 17:14:42 2017
From: comrade2u at yahoo.com (Michael Volkov)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 15:14:42 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
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Oh, I'm taking the K10' in the morning only because I have them

?Sent from TypeApp ?

On Apr 14, 2017, 15:00, at 15:00, Eric Lee <SaintGimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ned wrote:
>>
>Fuller Ridge may cause another PCT thru hiker SAR call-out if you don't
>have a way to self-arrest.
>>
>
>Note that Stefan was asking about Fuller Ridge in mid-May.  I don't
>know what the conditions might be like then, but it's probably going to
>be different than what it's like now (which, judging from reports,
>sounds like full mountaineering gear is currently warranted).
>
>Eric
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From dale.mcduffie at gmail.com  Fri Apr 14 19:26:41 2017
From: dale.mcduffie at gmail.com (Dale McDuffie)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 17:26:41 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Epic snowyear: K10 Crampons --> boots mandatory ?
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I just completed Fuller Ridge a few days ago with microspikes and poles.  The first mile or so and last two were the hard parts -- they had snow, whereas most of the middle is on the South facing slope and mostly snow free.  The footprints in the snow were almost spot on the trail per the HalfMile App Map View.  Sometimes it went above or below by a dozen or so feet but always returned.

I reached the start of the FR Trail at 2pm and arrived at the campsite at the other end near 7pm.  1mile-per-hour for that section because I was careful about foot placement.  No significant slips, but I did pass a couple of hikers without any traction devices that were struggling and had slit 10 or so feet into trees and had the scrapes to prove it.

I know several hikers behind me have completed FR too.

Dale

> On Apr 14, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Eric Lee <SaintGimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ned wrote:
>> 
> Fuller Ridge may cause another PCT thru hiker SAR call-out if you don't have a way to self-arrest.
>> 
> 
> Note that Stefan was asking about Fuller Ridge in mid-May.  I don't know what the conditions might be like then, but it's probably going to be different than what it's like now (which, judging from reports, sounds like full mountaineering gear is currently warranted).
> 
> Eric
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From tumstead96 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 15 00:38:15 2017
From: tumstead96 at gmail.com (Tim Umstead)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 22:38:15 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Two things
Message-ID: <CAD3yqM33pRL0pnUpm8Wn1UPZLoQWdb42GYDVtb_=dq2ezFFWgA@mail.gmail.com>

I have two things I wanted to put out to the list.  The first is PCT
related and the second is not.

First:  Many months ago Mama Raven created a slide show of our 2015 PCT
hike.  Just recently I posted it on Vimeo.  The slide show is split into 3
parts: California, Oregon and Washington, and Friends We Meet Along the
Way.  Beware they are a little long, but have fun watching them.

1-3 The Ravens-PCT-2015-Ca <https://vimeo.com/171882175>

2-3 The Ravens-PCT-2015-Or Wa <https://vimeo.com/206013184>

3-3 The Ravens-PCT-2015-Friends <https://vimeo.com/187617264>
Second:  I will not be watching the PCT-L for the next 6 months because the
whole Raven Mob, Papa Raven, Mama Raven, Bling and Little Crow will be
hiking the CDT.  We are not far away.  It is only one trail over.  We will
drive out of here on Mon the 17th and start hiking on Fri the 21st.  If you
would like to follow us our blog is at The Ravens
<https://theravens15.wordpress.com>.

I wish luck to all the PCT hikers this years.  You will have many daunting
adventures ahead of you this year.  Stick to it and you will make it.

The Ravens
PCT 96', 15'

From baidarker at gmail.com  Sat Apr 15 09:03:39 2017
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 07:03:39 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Two things
In-Reply-To: <CAD3yqM33pRL0pnUpm8Wn1UPZLoQWdb42GYDVtb_=dq2ezFFWgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD3yqM33pRL0pnUpm8Wn1UPZLoQWdb42GYDVtb_=dq2ezFFWgA@mail.gmail.com>
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Kudos to all you Ravens!!!  And have a wonderful CDT!  Wooooooo Hooooooo!!!

Shroomer

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have two things I wanted to put out to the list.  The first is PCT
> related and the second is not.
>
> First:  Many months ago Mama Raven created a slide show of our 2015 PCT
> hike.  Just recently I posted it on Vimeo.  The slide show is split into 3
> parts: California, Oregon and Washington, and Friends We Meet Along the
> Way.  Beware they are a little long, but have fun watching them.
>
> 1-3 The Ravens-PCT-2015-Ca <https://vimeo.com/171882175>
>
> 2-3 The Ravens-PCT-2015-Or Wa <https://vimeo.com/206013184>
>
> 3-3 The Ravens-PCT-2015-Friends <https://vimeo.com/187617264>
> Second:  I will not be watching the PCT-L for the next 6 months because the
> whole Raven Mob, Papa Raven, Mama Raven, Bling and Little Crow will be
> hiking the CDT.  We are not far away.  It is only one trail over.  We will
> drive out of here on Mon the 17th and start hiking on Fri the 21st.  If you
> would like to follow us our blog is at The Ravens
> <https://theravens15.wordpress.com>.
>
> I wish luck to all the PCT hikers this years.  You will have many daunting
> adventures ahead of you this year.  Stick to it and you will make it.
>
> The Ravens
> PCT 96', 15'
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From brownwetdog at gmail.com  Sat Apr 15 17:12:18 2017
From: brownwetdog at gmail.com (Carol Brown)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 16:12:18 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Exiting at Splinter's Cabin (Mile 301)
Message-ID: <CABfvMEpS3xZK0nSjY3CwdX6WaCBcGKoFCb2GvoPiXfQ7FOikKA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm section hiking and picking up a bit I've missed - all of Section B and
part of Section C.  Years ago, Shutterbug (who used to frequent this list)
dropped my mom (Marge the Old Gal) and me off at Splinter's Cabin and we
headed north.

Now I'm looking to hike north to Splinter's Cabin and then get off the
PCT.  In looking at the maps, exiting at Splinter's Cabin it looks like I
could start walking out Road 3N34C to Road 2N26Y and then onto Hook Creek
Road, eventually reaching Lake Arrowhead.   It looks like maybe 5 miles?
And I would hope for a ride. Once I reached Lake Arrowhead, I'd catch the
transit to Ontario International Airport and fly home.

Am I missing anything?  Are there any trail angels in that area I should be
contacting?   Thanks in advance.     Carol

From stefan.popa at gmx.net  Sun Apr 16 12:41:38 2017
From: stefan.popa at gmx.net (Stefan Popa)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:41:38 +0200
Subject: [pct-l] Bearcan program losses
Message-ID: <7653fbd9-e2fa-227b-aa73-674092f68ac3@gmx.net>

Hi folks, there is this bear can loan program which is organized by 
Grumpy Bear's in KM.
These guys do us hikers a very big favor, especially us foreign hikers 
who don't have a use for a can after the hike and cannot send them home 
(overseas).
Many cans where not send back last year. So they have financial losses. 
That's a shame. Please send the cans back and consider to make a 
donation at grumpy's in KM
to compensate the losses.
Stefan (El Duro)


From mardav at charter.net  Wed Apr 19 21:54:33 2017
From: mardav at charter.net (Marion Davison)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 19:54:33 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] exiting at Splinters
Message-ID: <96820fbb-8c3b-90d6-eda0-0cd5b51bb887@charter.net>

Yes, you certainly can walk out from Splinters to Lake Arrowhead.  I've 
done it with a whole boy scout troop.  Yes, it's maybe 3 to 4 miles, 
mostly uphill.  Shady, mostly dirt and not unpleasant.  I wouldn't be 
surprised if a local or an offroader gave you a lift into town.  It is a 
busy trailhead and a busy road.  Sorry, I know of no angels, but I bet 
Arrowhead has Uber drivers.

From grandpafaris at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 23 12:36:53 2017
From: grandpafaris at yahoo.com (Jim Faris)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:36:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] pct in washington
References: <858256367.7281887.1492969013876.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <858256367.7281887.1492969013876@mail.yahoo.com>

it it travel able need some feedback i was thinking sobo ???

From grandpafaris at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 23 16:08:01 2017
From: grandpafaris at yahoo.com (Jim Faris)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 21:08:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
References: <639678447.7450539.1492981681901.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <639678447.7450539.1492981681901@mail.yahoo.com>

how are trails vvr to Yosemite,, ?around may 20 ? ,, would it be better to start from Hart's pass ?can anybody help with ????

From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 24 08:44:02 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:44:02 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Kickoff
Message-ID: <BY2PR20MB0246059C1B042ABA81DFFDD4C81F0@BY2PR20MB0246.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

Just left a wonderful "Stealth Kickoff". Quiet,effective,efficient
Fed Hikers, chatted,calmed nervous new hiker thoughts. Watched the Wolverines take from 5 to 22 lbs off of people's backs. It was like the KO from 15 years ago. Lovely
There's so much water we even had mosquitoes. 
Best hike ever to the class of 2017. 
See you all at the Gathering next fall in Colorado
Marmot

Sent from my iPhone

From tokencivilian at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 24 10:06:56 2017
From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com (Barry Teschlog)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 15:06:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] PCT in Washington
References: <1603057101.8990078.1493046416776.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1603057101.8990078.1493046416776@mail.yahoo.com>

Jim said, in re the subject:"it it travel able need some feedback i was thinking sobo"
There was also a question from the same poster:
"how are trails vvr to Yosemite,, ?around may 20 ? ,, would it be better to start from Hart's pass ?can anybody help with ???"
Reply:

Washington right now is still buried under many feet of snow, and will be until well into June before the first significant stretches melt out.? Note that the earliest clear parts of the PCT in northern / central? Washington are around Stehekin & the Suiattle River, due to the unusually low elevation at these locations.? Either side of these sections are significantly higher in elevation and will be snow bound until the noted time frames.? There will still be significant snow in places until well into July.? Early season hikers in Washington must be ready to deal with snow covered trail in both forest and on open, steep hillsides.? Navigation in forest is challenging.? Slips and falls in either case can result in slides into rocks / trees.

As for VVR to Yosemite in mid / late May, unless the Sierra gets sustained 110 degree days and 80 degree nights starting about now, the PCT is likely to be more or less still solidly covered in snow around May 20th.? If the question is to start at Hart's Pass on May 20th in lieu of a VVR to Yosemite area hike, note that it's unlikely that the road to Harts Pass will have melted sufficiently to drive there.? WSDOT is currently clearing (plowing / snow blowing) the north Cascades Highway (to Rainy Pass, 31 trail miles south of Harts Pass and significantly lower in elevation).? They're 2 weeks into what they estimate to be an 8 week job, which will put it about first of June, roughly.? Typically there is still feet of snow at Rainy Pass when they complete this task.? The PCT is substantially higher in elevation north of there.
North Cascades clearing can be monitored at:http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Traffic/Passes/NorthCascades/updates2017.htm
Google "Snotel" and look for both the Rainy Pass and Harts Pass sensors for a guide to the melt in the area.? Note that a "zero" SWE reading on a Snotel sensor doesn't mean the trail is clear, it just means the sensor is at zero.? Experience indicates that substantial snow lingers for 2-4 weeks, sometimes more, beyond when a sensor reads zero.? 

Also understand a quirk of geography of the PCT.? In Washington, the passes are usually the LOW points of the trail, with respect to the local terrain, while in the Sierra, the passes are the high points.? Ridges generally are north south in Washington and the trail descends from the ridges on either side to the pass.? In the Sierra, the ridges are more east west and the trail ascends to the pass to get to the next drainage.





From susanvirnig at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 16:35:03 2017
From: susanvirnig at gmail.com (Susan Virnig)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:35:03 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Section N or F or D late June?
Message-ID: <59228A2B-EDFC-4632-AE6C-406F3581ED7C@gmail.com>

I?m a section hiker and had been hoping to hike Section N from Belden to Old Station the last week or so of June, but with the record-breaking snowfall, is that possible?  Last year while hiking the Hat Creek rim section on June 23-26, I heard that hikers had to turn around in the Lassen area because of so much snow.  And there?s more this year.  Any thoughts?

So instead, I?m wondering about doing either Section F, Highway 58 to Walker Pass at Highway 178 OR Section D through the San Gabriel mountains.  But are those just too hot and/or waterless during the last half of June?

I?ve hiked from Sierra City north to Manning (except the remaining portion of Section N above) so I?m looking to hike new trail this June, but don?t want to be potholing thru the Sierra.  Any recommendations?

?Susan from Spokane (Sunshine)

From ned at mountaineducation.org  Tue Apr 25 18:53:37 2017
From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:53:37 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
Message-ID: <038b01d2be1f$285be3a0$7913aae0$@mountaineducation.org>

It is time for Mountain Education to think a bit more seriously about
backcountry electronics, like solar chargers and batteries. There are
obvious pros and cons with electricity in the cold and wet, but when its
working, it's a good thing!

 

So, I've heard a lot about the SunTactics 8 solar panel. Good one?

I'll be running 4 different devices that charge off a USB, so what size
battery should I carry for 7 days in the sierra?

 

 

Ned Tibbits, Director

Mountain Education, Inc.

ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>  

 


From tumstead96 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 25 23:33:11 2017
From: tumstead96 at gmail.com (Tim Umstead)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 21:33:11 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
In-Reply-To: <038b01d2be1f$285be3a0$7913aae0$@mountaineducation.org>
References: <038b01d2be1f$285be3a0$7913aae0$@mountaineducation.org>
Message-ID: <CAD3yqM0Niz_gxipmpUuT1K64kDf_+i_mzC0O3M50xofUZy8t=g@mail.gmail.com>

What are the batteries sizes (mAh) of your four devices and how many times
do you think you will need to charge them?  Total that up and that should
give you an idea of the size of battery you will need.  Also, remember that
you will not be fully charging your device so it will not use is full mAh.

When we did the PCT in '15 I took a 6000 mAh to keep a smart phone, a
camera, a tablet, and 4 mp3 players charged. Not once did I drain the
battery.

Right now we are hiking the CDT and I have 16000 mAh of batteries. The
electronics are carrying are: two smart phones, two cameras, a tablet, and
4 mp3 players. The reason for the extra battery capacity is the CDT
requires much more guidance with a GPS or a smart phone. I would prefer not
to get out my compass. The PCT is so well marked we really do not have to
babysit half-miles app, but people do.

Somewhere in southern New Mexico
The Ravens
PCT '96 '15
CDT '17

On Apr 25, 2017 5:53 PM, <ned at mountaineducation.org> wrote:

> It is time for Mountain Education to think a bit more seriously about
> backcountry electronics, like solar chargers and batteries. There are
> obvious pros and cons with electricity in the cold and wet, but when its
> working, it's a good thing!
>
>
>
> So, I've heard a lot about the SunTactics 8 solar panel. Good one?
>
> I'll be running 4 different devices that charge off a USB, so what size
> battery should I carry for 7 days in the sierra?
>
>
>
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
>
> Mountain Education, Inc.
>
> ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>
>
>
>
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From edjarrett at msn.com  Wed Apr 26 08:33:25 2017
From: edjarrett at msn.com (Ed Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:33:25 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
In-Reply-To: <038b01d2be1f$285be3a0$7913aae0$@mountaineducation.org>
References: <038b01d2be1f$285be3a0$7913aae0$@mountaineducation.org>
Message-ID: <MWHPR19MB1168FBE7F74D5CD5BCC51C7AAA110@MWHPR19MB1168.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I used a SunTatics 5 solar panel and a 10,000 mha battery while on the longer stretches of trail. It kept my Samsung Galaxy 7, an inReach Explorer and my headlamp fully charged. Some days I mounted the solar panel on top of my pack and charged while walking. Other days I just brought it out at break times. Come evening time I would charge my devices from the battery as needed. I'm sure I could have gotten by with a battery half the size because everything was usually fully charged at the start of the last day of a 7 day stretch. Of course if the sun is not out the solar panel will not charge the battery nearly as quickly.


Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)
Web site: http://aclayjar.net
Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71


________________________________
From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of ned at mountaineducation.org <ned at mountaineducation.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels

It is time for Mountain Education to think a bit more seriously about
backcountry electronics, like solar chargers and batteries. There are
obvious pros and cons with electricity in the cold and wet, but when its
working, it's a good thing!



So, I've heard a lot about the SunTactics 8 solar panel. Good one?

I'll be running 4 different devices that charge off a USB, so what size
battery should I carry for 7 days in the sierra?





Ned Tibbits, Director

Mountain Education, Inc.

ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>



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From nobohiker at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 17:44:59 2017
From: nobohiker at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:44:59 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
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References: <038b01d2be1f$285be3a0$7913aae0$@mountaineducation.org>
 <MWHPR19MB1168FBE7F74D5CD5BCC51C7AAA110@MWHPR19MB1168.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D6D81F7E-E81A-4EF6-8D0D-077D163CB8DF@gmail.com>

I also used a small lightweight battery pack in combination with 5 or 8 Watt solar panel, but ever since I switched to a http://suntactics.com/, I don't need the battery pack anymore as my smartphone and camera are charged up in no time. 

Clouds will obviously slow things down. 
Key is to direct the panel directly towards the sun during breaks - even short breaks, especially around mid day will provide plenty of charge.

Also note that their products are hand made and of high quality. I picked mine up in the Bay Area in person, right where they make them. 

Rick

BTW, I am not working for suntactics, I am just a happy customers. 

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ed Jarrett <edjarrett at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I used a SunTatics 5 solar panel and a 10,000 mha battery while on the longer stretches of trail. It kept my Samsung Galaxy 7, an inReach Explorer and my headlamp fully charged. Some days I mounted the solar panel on top of my pack and charged while walking. Other days I just brought it out at break times. Come evening time I would charge my devices from the battery as needed. I'm sure I could have gotten by with a battery half the size because everything was usually fully charged at the start of the last day of a 7 day stretch. Of course if the sun is not out the solar panel will not charge the battery nearly as quickly.
> 
> 
> Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)
> Web site: http://aclayjar.net
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53
> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of ned at mountaineducation.org <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:53 PM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
> 
> It is time for Mountain Education to think a bit more seriously about
> backcountry electronics, like solar chargers and batteries. There are
> obvious pros and cons with electricity in the cold and wet, but when its
> working, it's a good thing!
> 
> 
> 
> So, I've heard a lot about the SunTactics 8 solar panel. Good one?
> 
> I'll be running 4 different devices that charge off a USB, so what size
> battery should I carry for 7 days in the sierra?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> 
> Mountain Education, Inc.
> 
> ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>
> 
> 
> 
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From richardb10 at live.com  Wed Apr 26 18:56:21 2017
From: richardb10 at live.com (Richard Brinkman)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 23:56:21 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
In-Reply-To: <D6D81F7E-E81A-4EF6-8D0D-077D163CB8DF@gmail.com>
References: <038b01d2be1f$285be3a0$7913aae0$@mountaineducation.org>
 <MWHPR19MB1168FBE7F74D5CD5BCC51C7AAA110@MWHPR19MB1168.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <D6D81F7E-E81A-4EF6-8D0D-077D163CB8DF@gmail.com>
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Greetings All,

I did not carry a solar charger in 2015.  Fortunately, my phone (Samsung
Galaxy) did not bleed any battery when it was turned off, even for days.  I
only turned it on when I needed to use the Halfmile App., and immediately
turned it off afterward.  This system worked well for me.

Roadwalker


-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 3:45 PM
To: Ed Jarrett
Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels

I also used a small lightweight battery pack in combination with 5 or 8 Watt
solar panel, but ever since I switched to a http://suntactics.com/, I don't
need the battery pack anymore as my smartphone and camera are charged up in
no time. 

Clouds will obviously slow things down. 
Key is to direct the panel directly towards the sun during breaks - even
short breaks, especially around mid day will provide plenty of charge.

Also note that their products are hand made and of high quality. I picked
mine up in the Bay Area in person, right where they make them. 

Rick

BTW, I am not working for suntactics, I am just a happy customers. 

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ed Jarrett <edjarrett at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I used a SunTatics 5 solar panel and a 10,000 mha battery while on the
longer stretches of trail. It kept my Samsung Galaxy 7, an inReach Explorer
and my headlamp fully charged. Some days I mounted the solar panel on top of
my pack and charged while walking. Other days I just brought it out at break
times. Come evening time I would charge my devices from the battery as
needed. I'm sure I could have gotten by with a battery half the size because
everything was usually fully charged at the start of the last day of a 7 day
stretch. Of course if the sun is not out the solar panel will not charge the
battery nearly as quickly.
> 
> 
> Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)
> Web site: http://aclayjar.net
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53
> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of 
> ned at mountaineducation.org <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:53 PM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
> 
> It is time for Mountain Education to think a bit more seriously about 
> backcountry electronics, like solar chargers and batteries. There are 
> obvious pros and cons with electricity in the cold and wet, but when 
> its working, it's a good thing!
> 
> 
> 
> So, I've heard a lot about the SunTactics 8 solar panel. Good one?
> 
> I'll be running 4 different devices that charge off a USB, so what 
> size battery should I carry for 7 days in the sierra?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> 
> Mountain Education, Inc.
> 
> ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>
> 
> 
> 
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From baidarker at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 22:32:35 2017
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 20:32:35 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
In-Reply-To: <D6D81F7E-E81A-4EF6-8D0D-077D163CB8DF@gmail.com>
References: <038b01d2be1f$285be3a0$7913aae0$@mountaineducation.org>
 <MWHPR19MB1168FBE7F74D5CD5BCC51C7AAA110@MWHPR19MB1168.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <D6D81F7E-E81A-4EF6-8D0D-077D163CB8DF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxcj10AfbBpH3LfeEifwGk2YPdqhZ8T29=ohpVuxWnCbNK_Hw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Rick,

Which of the Syntactics did you use as there are several sizes?  I'm with
Ned in finally looking for a portable charger or battery system for my next
hike as I'm using more electronics now.  In the past, my old Galaxy was
fine using it as Roadwalker describes.

Thanks,

Shroomer

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Rick <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also used a small lightweight battery pack in combination with 5 or 8
> Watt solar panel, but ever since I switched to a http://suntactics.com/,
> I don't need the battery pack anymore as my smartphone and camera are
> charged up in no time.
>
> Clouds will obviously slow things down.
> Key is to direct the panel directly towards the sun during breaks - even
> short breaks, especially around mid day will provide plenty of charge.
>
> Also note that their products are hand made and of high quality. I picked
> mine up in the Bay Area in person, right where they make them.
>
> Rick
>
> BTW, I am not working for suntactics, I am just a happy customers.
>
> > On Apr 26, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ed Jarrett <edjarrett at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > I used a SunTatics 5 solar panel and a 10,000 mha battery while on the
> longer stretches of trail. It kept my Samsung Galaxy 7, an inReach Explorer
> and my headlamp fully charged. Some days I mounted the solar panel on top
> of my pack and charged while walking. Other days I just brought it out at
> break times. Come evening time I would charge my devices from the battery
> as needed. I'm sure I could have gotten by with a battery half the size
> because everything was usually fully charged at the start of the last day
> of a 7 day stretch. Of course if the sun is not out the solar panel will
> not charge the battery nearly as quickly.
> >
> >
> > Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)
> > Web site: http://aclayjar.net
> > Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53
> > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of
> ned at mountaineducation.org <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:53 PM
> > To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
> >
> > It is time for Mountain Education to think a bit more seriously about
> > backcountry electronics, like solar chargers and batteries. There are
> > obvious pros and cons with electricity in the cold and wet, but when its
> > working, it's a good thing!
> >
> >
> >
> > So, I've heard a lot about the SunTactics 8 solar panel. Good one?
> >
> > I'll be running 4 different devices that charge off a USB, so what size
> > battery should I carry for 7 days in the sierra?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ned Tibbits, Director
> >
> > Mountain Education, Inc.
> >
> > ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>
> >
> >
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From underwoodtylers at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 08:20:57 2017
From: underwoodtylers at gmail.com (underwoodtylers at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 08:20:57 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
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Hey guys,

Last year I used an Anker Astro 6700 while on the PCT. I didn't have any issues with the charger and would normally get about 2.5 full iPhone 6s charges from it. The only downside I had was it took awhile to charge like 4-5 hours. The weight was 4.8 ounces. 

This year, I am using the Anker Powercore+ 10050.  The sole reason for the switch is the Powercore+ charges in 3 hours and I get an extra 2-3 charges for my iPhone 6s. (less time in towns, yay.) The weight difference is minimal as this battery pack weighs in at 7.5 ounces. 

I have tested several different models and companies and by my own tests these came to be superior for price and weight. 

I personally do not use a solar charger. I had a bad experience with one and just never bought another. 

PS. The wall charger itself is important too you would need to grab something that is quick charge compatible. If you get a charger that is not QC capable your battery pack will charge super slow. 


Red Flash


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 10:32 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Rick,
> 
> Which of the Syntactics did you use as there are several sizes?  I'm with
> Ned in finally looking for a portable charger or battery system for my next
> hike as I'm using more electronics now.  In the past, my old Galaxy was
> fine using it as Roadwalker describes.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Shroomer
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Rick <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I also used a small lightweight battery pack in combination with 5 or 8
>> Watt solar panel, but ever since I switched to a http://suntactics.com/,
>> I don't need the battery pack anymore as my smartphone and camera are
>> charged up in no time.
>> 
>> Clouds will obviously slow things down.
>> Key is to direct the panel directly towards the sun during breaks - even
>> short breaks, especially around mid day will provide plenty of charge.
>> 
>> Also note that their products are hand made and of high quality. I picked
>> mine up in the Bay Area in person, right where they make them.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> BTW, I am not working for suntactics, I am just a happy customers.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ed Jarrett <edjarrett at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used a SunTatics 5 solar panel and a 10,000 mha battery while on the
>> longer stretches of trail. It kept my Samsung Galaxy 7, an inReach Explorer
>> and my headlamp fully charged. Some days I mounted the solar panel on top
>> of my pack and charged while walking. Other days I just brought it out at
>> break times. Come evening time I would charge my devices from the battery
>> as needed. I'm sure I could have gotten by with a battery half the size
>> because everything was usually fully charged at the start of the last day
>> of a 7 day stretch. Of course if the sun is not out the solar panel will
>> not charge the battery nearly as quickly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)
>>> Web site: http://aclayjar.net
>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53
>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of
>> ned at mountaineducation.org <ned at mountaineducation.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:53 PM
>>> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
>>> 
>>> It is time for Mountain Education to think a bit more seriously about
>>> backcountry electronics, like solar chargers and batteries. There are
>>> obvious pros and cons with electricity in the cold and wet, but when its
>>> working, it's a good thing!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, I've heard a lot about the SunTactics 8 solar panel. Good one?
>>> 
>>> I'll be running 4 different devices that charge off a USB, so what size
>>> battery should I carry for 7 days in the sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ned Tibbits, Director
>>> 
>>> Mountain Education, Inc.
>>> 
>>> ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>
>>> 
>>> 
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From HStroh at sjmslaw.com  Thu Apr 27 09:26:38 2017
From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 14:26:38 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
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I use a 6000mAh USB Battery SunTactics, weighs about 4.5 ounces. I get 3+ recharges of an IPhone with it. I have never drained it even on a two week trip. But I am only charging a phone.

I know people have success with solar chargers, but I don't want to fiddle with them during my hiking day. With a battery, I just plug in the phone as I set up camp and disconnect before going to sleep.

Herb 

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of underwoodtylers at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 6:21 AM
To: Scott Williams
Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels


Hey guys,

Last year I used an Anker Astro 6700 while on the PCT. I didn't have any issues with the charger and would normally get about 2.5 full iPhone 6s charges from it. The only downside I had was it took awhile to charge like 4-5 hours. The weight was 4.8 ounces. 

This year, I am using the Anker Powercore+ 10050.  The sole reason for the switch is the Powercore+ charges in 3 hours and I get an extra 2-3 charges for my iPhone 6s. (less time in towns, yay.) The weight difference is minimal as this battery pack weighs in at 7.5 ounces. 

I have tested several different models and companies and by my own tests these came to be superior for price and weight. 

I personally do not use a solar charger. I had a bad experience with one and just never bought another. 

PS. The wall charger itself is important too you would need to grab something that is quick charge compatible. If you get a charger that is not QC capable your battery pack will charge super slow. 


Red Flash


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 10:32 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Rick,
> 
> Which of the Syntactics did you use as there are several sizes?  I'm 
> with Ned in finally looking for a portable charger or battery system 
> for my next hike as I'm using more electronics now.  In the past, my 
> old Galaxy was fine using it as Roadwalker describes.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Shroomer
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Rick <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I also used a small lightweight battery pack in combination with 5 or 
>> 8 Watt solar panel, but ever since I switched to a 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__suntactics.com_&d
>> =DQICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=ouoU-5bWB1hGSQsVF7qHade7G0U6SKCUqXI8nbm_amI&m=Ou20NGUxW1lorX4t_nCMoA8EGHG5GVXrTHCeciVmL1w&s=lgXLSfvr5_yXdwE8vVG4vJ5aiqlIKRXI1AoPnXwy_Ms&e= , I don't need the battery pack anymore as my smartphone and camera are charged up in no time.
>> 
>> Clouds will obviously slow things down.
>> Key is to direct the panel directly towards the sun during breaks - 
>> even short breaks, especially around mid day will provide plenty of charge.
>> 
>> Also note that their products are hand made and of high quality. I 
>> picked mine up in the Bay Area in person, right where they make them.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> BTW, I am not working for suntactics, I am just a happy customers.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ed Jarrett <edjarrett at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used a SunTatics 5 solar panel and a 10,000 mha battery while on 
>>> the
>> longer stretches of trail. It kept my Samsung Galaxy 7, an inReach 
>> Explorer and my headlamp fully charged. Some days I mounted the solar 
>> panel on top of my pack and charged while walking. Other days I just 
>> brought it out at break times. Come evening time I would charge my 
>> devices from the battery as needed. I'm sure I could have gotten by 
>> with a battery half the size because everything was usually fully 
>> charged at the start of the last day of a 7 day stretch. Of course if 
>> the sun is not out the solar panel will not charge the battery nearly as quickly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)
>>> Web site: 
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__aclayjar.net&d=D
>>> QICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=ouoU-5bWB1hGSQ
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>>> ciVmL1w&s=ylvi2EfiEStiRr87f8Pc2dXeLh-P5LLDUaR4MQFKIso&e=
>>> Twitter: 
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_EdJ
>>> arrett53&d=DQICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=ou
>>> oU-5bWB1hGSQsVF7qHade7G0U6SKCUqXI8nbm_amI&m=Ou20NGUxW1lorX4t_nCMoA8E
>>> GHG5GVXrTHCeciVmL1w&s=5ztK44hK_tl9Ia24aCLLKHDbtZkjgaFBF-cjy6Kv-gY&e=
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>>> m_ed.jarrett.71&d=DQICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfii
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>>> ac-0&e=
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of
>> ned at mountaineducation.org <ned at mountaineducation.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:53 PM
>>> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
>>> 
>>> It is time for Mountain Education to think a bit more seriously 
>>> about backcountry electronics, like solar chargers and batteries. 
>>> There are obvious pros and cons with electricity in the cold and 
>>> wet, but when its working, it's a good thing!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, I've heard a lot about the SunTactics 8 solar panel. Good one?
>>> 
>>> I'll be running 4 different devices that charge off a USB, so what 
>>> size battery should I carry for 7 days in the sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ned Tibbits, Director
>>> 
>>> Mountain Education, Inc.
>>> 
>>> ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>
>>> 
>>> 
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From tokencivilian at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 27 09:43:31 2017
From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com (Barry Teschlog)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 14:43:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Let the melt commence
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Forecast for Mammoth Lakes & Tahoe, a couple of fair proxies for the high Sierra is for sunny and upper 50's into the mid 60's for highs, lows at / below freezing the next couple days, going to the upper 30's or low 40's after that.? 

NWS point forecast for Crabtree Meadows is for highs climbing over the coming week into the upper 40's to low 50's.

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/snowapp/swcchart.action
Per the above, south Sierra snow pack is currently only a few percent above where it was on this date in either 2011 or 2006.? It'll be interesting to see how the melt progresses.



From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 10:14:54 2017
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:14:54 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
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I used an Solar Monkey Adventurer for nine days on the Oregon Desert 
Trail last spring.  It includes a 3500 mAh battery as well as solar 
panel.  It weighs about nine ounces, not bad for the battery and 
charger.  Check out the customer reviews at the bottom of the Amazon page.

https://www.amazon.com/Powertraveller-Solarmonkey-Adventurer-SMA-U-003-Rechargeable/dp/B007ZN9B9Q

It was easy to strap to the top of my pack, and as I was hiking north, I 
strapped it to face south.  The hinge was stiff enough to hold the 
charger open.  I charged my phone each night and the battery during the 
day.  I made sure that every time I stopped and took the pack off, I 
angled the charger on the ground to face the sun.  This adds another 
element to hiking - the "fiddling" part.

The only app I used during the day was GaiaGps.  Everything else was 
turned off.  AT night I'd listen to podcasts for an hour or two before 
falling asleep.

There were a couple days of cloud cover and the charger didn't do well.  
When it was sunny I could fully charge the battery.  This was in early 
April.  I think that the closer to the summer solstice you are, the more 
efficient the charger would be.

Jeff



On 4/27/2017 8:26 AM, Herb Stroh wrote:
> I use a 6000mAh USB Battery SunTactics, weighs about 4.5 ounces. I get 3+ recharges of an IPhone with it. I have never drained it even on a two week trip. But I am only charging a phone.
>
> I know people have success with solar chargers, but I don't want to fiddle with them during my hiking day. With a battery, I just plug in the phone as I set up camp and disconnect before going to sleep.
>
> Herb
>


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From ned at mountaineducation.org  Thu Apr 27 11:14:11 2017
From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:14:11 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] [John Muir Trail] Re: Any weather forecast for July/Aug
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Since we?ll be cruising through there in a few days, I like to watch the NOAA weather for Tyndall crossing

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-118.38781955566411 <http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-118.38781955566411&lat=36.642903936276696#.WQIIPIgrJaQ> &lat=36.642903936276696#.WQIIPIgrJaQ 

 

Until the thaw starts, but after April 1st, high sierra snow is compact, hard enough to walk on without snowshoes, smooth, and covers most all creeks (above snowline). The thaw starts when nighttime temps stay above freezing and daytime temps rise from the 40s into the 60s or higher. 

 

It?s not there, yet! I?m expecting (based on a feeling) the thaw to officially start late, say late May to mid-June, with a few minor snow storms between now and then. Take your 3-season tents and wait a day after each storm over a foot for avalanche safety!

 

We will be posting Snow/Trail/Creek Condition Reports for the southern Sierra each week starting May 10 at http://mountaineducation.org/trail-snow-condition-reports/ 

 

Play safe & stay found!

 

 

Ned Tibbits, Director

Mountain Education, Inc.

 <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org> ned at mountaineducation.org 

 

From: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com [mailto:johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 8:29 AM
To: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [John Muir Trail] Re: Any weather forecast for July/Aug

 

  

 <http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/multi_season/13_seasonal_outlooks/color/churchill.php> http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/multi_season/13_seasonal_outlooks/color/churchill.php

 

Above normal chances for precipitation, equal chances for above or below normal temperatures.  Forecasts for 3-4 months out, of course, are pretty iffy.  ? Jim Ringland

 

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Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 6:51 AM
To:  <mailto:johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com> johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [John Muir Trail] Re: Any weather forecast for July/Aug

 

  

Any High Sierra Weather related news?

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From nobohiker at gmail.com  Fri Apr 28 10:52:07 2017
From: nobohiker at gmail.com (NoBo Hiker)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 08:52:07 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
In-Reply-To: <CAGxcj10AfbBpH3LfeEifwGk2YPdqhZ8T29=ohpVuxWnCbNK_Hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <038b01d2be1f$285be3a0$7913aae0$@mountaineducation.org>
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Message-ID: <4FADBBC9-BCD6-4EC5-AF2D-7C67D44F67D5@gmail.com>

Hey Shroomer - we met at the recent ALDHA by the way

I am using the sCharger-5. Here is a picture of the charger in use right before sunset with Yosemite?s Clouds Rest in the background as a bonus.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jxsiacn3fnfpfuk/sCharger-5.jpg?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jxsiacn3fnfpfuk/sCharger-5.jpg?dl=0>

It?s a great product, you won?t be disappointed.

Section Hiker Rick


> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Rick, 
> 
> Which of the Syntactics did you use as there are several sizes?  I'm with Ned in finally looking for a portable charger or battery system for my next hike as I'm using more electronics now.  In the past, my old Galaxy was fine using it as Roadwalker describes.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Shroomer 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Rick <nobohiker at gmail.com <mailto:nobohiker at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I also used a small lightweight battery pack in combination with 5 or 8 Watt solar panel, but ever since I switched to a http://suntactics.com/ <http://suntactics.com/>, I don't need the battery pack anymore as my smartphone and camera are charged up in no time.
> 
> Clouds will obviously slow things down.
> Key is to direct the panel directly towards the sun during breaks - even short breaks, especially around mid day will provide plenty of charge.
> 
> Also note that their products are hand made and of high quality. I picked mine up in the Bay Area in person, right where they make them.
> 
> Rick
> 
> BTW, I am not working for suntactics, I am just a happy customers.
> 
> > On Apr 26, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ed Jarrett <edjarrett at msn.com <mailto:edjarrett at msn.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I used a SunTatics 5 solar panel and a 10,000 mha battery while on the longer stretches of trail. It kept my Samsung Galaxy 7, an inReach Explorer and my headlamp fully charged. Some days I mounted the solar panel on top of my pack and charged while walking. Other days I just brought it out at break times. Come evening time I would charge my devices from the battery as needed. I'm sure I could have gotten by with a battery half the size because everything was usually fully charged at the start of the last day of a 7 day stretch. Of course if the sun is not out the solar panel will not charge the battery nearly as quickly.
> >
> >
> > Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)
> > Web site: http://aclayjar.net <http://aclayjar.net/>
> > Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53 <https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53>
> > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71 <https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71>
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net <mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net>> on behalf of ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org> <ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:53 PM
> > To: Pct-L at backcountry.net <mailto:Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
> >
> > It is time for Mountain Education to think a bit more seriously about
> > backcountry electronics, like solar chargers and batteries. There are
> > obvious pros and cons with electricity in the cold and wet, but when its
> > working, it's a good thing!
> >
> >
> >
> > So, I've heard a lot about the SunTactics 8 solar panel. Good one?
> >
> > I'll be running 4 different devices that charge off a USB, so what size
> > battery should I carry for 7 days in the sierra?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ned Tibbits, Director
> >
> > Mountain Education, Inc.
> >
> > ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org> <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>>
> >
> >
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From baidarker at gmail.com  Fri Apr 28 13:17:16 2017
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:17:16 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
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Thanks for the specifics Rick.  It sounds great.   I'm gonna order one and
start playing with it this summer in the Winds.  Then it's off to NZ with
me and we'll see how it does in some real clouds and wet.  But at 7 oz I'll
give it a shot.

Good to meet you at the Ruck.  See ya at the Gathering I hope.  Symbiosis
and I will be presenting on our hike and explorations in Madagascar last
summer.  Wild and crazy place!  Lots of lemurs!!!  And I love the little
guys!  Just about the cutest animal on the earth and sweet!

See ya up trail and thanks again,

Shroomer

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:52 AM, NoBo Hiker <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Shroomer - we met at the recent ALDHA by the way
>
> I am using the sCharger-5. Here is a picture of the charger in use right
> before sunset with Yosemite?s Clouds Rest in the background as a bonus.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jxsiacn3fnfpfuk/sCharger-5.jpg?dl=0
>
> It?s a great product, you won?t be disappointed.
>
> Section Hiker Rick
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Rick,
>
> Which of the Syntactics did you use as there are several sizes?  I'm with
> Ned in finally looking for a portable charger or battery system for my next
> hike as I'm using more electronics now.  In the past, my old Galaxy was
> fine using it as Roadwalker describes.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Rick <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I also used a small lightweight battery pack in combination with 5 or 8
>> Watt solar panel, but ever since I switched to a http://suntactics.com/,
>> I don't need the battery pack anymore as my smartphone and camera are
>> charged up in no time.
>>
>> Clouds will obviously slow things down.
>> Key is to direct the panel directly towards the sun during breaks - even
>> short breaks, especially around mid day will provide plenty of charge.
>>
>> Also note that their products are hand made and of high quality. I picked
>> mine up in the Bay Area in person, right where they make them.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> BTW, I am not working for suntactics, I am just a happy customers.
>>
>> > On Apr 26, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ed Jarrett <edjarrett at msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I used a SunTatics 5 solar panel and a 10,000 mha battery while on the
>> longer stretches of trail. It kept my Samsung Galaxy 7, an inReach Explorer
>> and my headlamp fully charged. Some days I mounted the solar panel on top
>> of my pack and charged while walking. Other days I just brought it out at
>> break times. Come evening time I would charge my devices from the battery
>> as needed. I'm sure I could have gotten by with a battery half the size
>> because everything was usually fully charged at the start of the last day
>> of a 7 day stretch. Of course if the sun is not out the solar panel will
>> not charge the battery nearly as quickly.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)
>> > Web site: http://aclayjar.net
>> > Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53
>> > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of
>> ned at mountaineducation.org <ned at mountaineducation.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:53 PM
>> > To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>> > Subject: [pct-l] portable batteries and solar panels
>> >
>> > It is time for Mountain Education to think a bit more seriously about
>> > backcountry electronics, like solar chargers and batteries. There are
>> > obvious pros and cons with electricity in the cold and wet, but when its
>> > working, it's a good thing!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So, I've heard a lot about the SunTactics 8 solar panel. Good one?
>> >
>> > I'll be running 4 different devices that charge off a USB, so what size
>> > battery should I carry for 7 days in the sierra?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ned Tibbits, Director
>> >
>> > Mountain Education, Inc.
>> >
>> > ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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