From sdscpcts at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  2 18:18:40 2016
From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (sdscpcts)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 16:18:40 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Trailside repairs: Pack fabric and bear story
Message-ID: <fpw35qyt84a7ewdfo5sidell.1475450320914@email.android.com>

Putting packs in cars isn't a good solution! Bears can tear them apart too.?
? ? ? Rob?


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-------- Original message --------From: ned at mountaineducation.org Date: 9/30/16  11:10 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: 'PCT' <pct-l at backcountry.net> Cc: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com Subject: [pct-l] Trailside repairs: Pack fabric and bear story 
[.reposted for those who don't "do" Facebook.]





Your backpack is your house. It has everything you need nicely tucked away
inside. However, sometimes animals need what's inside, too!





We tend to think that it is impenetrable, wonderfully made, and strong
enough to take all the punishment we might throw at it, but what
inexperience or denial doesn't consider are claws and teeth!





My pack's biggest enemies on my PCT and CDT thru hikes were the mice,
marmots, chipmunks, and assorted ground squirrels that had no reservations
about using their teeth to chew their way through tough, old-school nylon to
investigate something that smelled edible inside. 





For these little repairs, I've always carried a strong sewing needle and
thick pack thread. These little critters don't do tremendous damage, so this
repair just takes maybe a half-hour, once you calm down and stop throwing
rocks at every mouse or chipmunk you see nearby.





However, I would suggest that you carry with you bigger patches of nylon
fabric or tape for when bears decide your house is their lunchbox!





One of my first encounters with bears on a thru hike was not on-trail at
all, but in a National Park campground one late April, 1974. (go figure.!)





For the first 800 miles of the PCT, I slept "cowboy-style" outside on my
tent or inside it with my pack leaning nicely against a tree near the tent
door, where I could easily see it. We didn't have bear canisters back then,
so the pack was usually full of all my food for my typical 17-day segments.
I never had a problem with "the locals" trying to get my food to that point,
but Park bears were about to teach me my first lesson!





I awoke, not long after I went to sleep, to the sounds of nylon being ripped
and shredded alternating with grunts and snorts from some big animal outside
in the dark. At first I wasn't sure what was going on, as I attempted to
extricate myself from my sleeping bag. 





I listened intently. The snorts and snuffles were deep and loud implying
something big was near my tent. The ripping sounds were like the screams of
a friend being attacked!





I scrambled out of my tent and couldn't see a thing. There was no moon and I
was camped under lots of tall pines. The sound was coming from somewhere
right in front of me. Of course, when I turned my puny flashlight on, I saw
my pack lying on its frame in the dirt totally disfigured and disemboweled
with wrappers and plastic bags lying shredded and partially eaten scattered
nearby. 





Towering astraddle the pack were two glowing eyes about garbage-can-height
off the ground. I couldn't see the black, furry body in the dark. The bear,
fresh out of its winter hibernation, looked at me and went back to its
dinner of my dream-hike-sustaining food. 





Swirling feelings of anger, bewilderment, and frustration clouded my
thoughts all at the same time. I didn't know what to do. I watched. Then I
thought I could scare the bear away from further killing my close companion
by advancing on it with my ice axe.





The bear did stop shredding, chewing, and drooling to look up at me as I got
closer while yelling, and waving some apparent stick in the air.
Defensively, it quickly hopped off the pack and made a short charge toward
me, then abruptly stopped while snorting loudly. I stopped and stood still.
It went back to its dinner, probably angry at me for even thinking I could
take it away from him.





Threats didn't work. Yelling did nothing. Then I thought of throwing rocks
at him. The little ones close to me made quiet little thumps on his body and
looked the size of mosquitoes when they hit. These didn't even faze him. 





Then I grabbed the rocks from the fire ring, some being the size of
footballs, and those disturbed him a bit more. At first, I could tell that
he didn't know what to make of the sudden pain coming from nowhere. He
stopped chewing and looked around. The second rock hit him and he moved off
of the dead pack. The third one gave him enough incentive to move a little
further away, yet still looking around for his attacker. Upon the thump of
the fourth rock, he decided to surrender his prized dinner discovery and
reluctantly sauntered off into the dark of the forest.





My house-on-my-back looked like it had been hit by a Kansas tornado!
Multi-colored dinner and candy wrappers were thrown by the devilish twister
in all directions around my home. The fabric of the pack was avulsed, its
strong threads dangling like electrical wires from a ripped and tossed
building wall. Though I had a hiking partner, I suddenly felt all alone.
What now?





I had thought to put our packs in someone's car for the rest of the night
(which we would do 5 months later after the next bear attack), but no one
else was in the early-season campground to ask for help. So, unable to think
of any other solution, we put them on the roof of the nearby outhouse and
tried to go back to sleep.





It took me two days to sew my home back together again.

 

 

 

Ned Tibbits, Director

Mountain Education, Inc.

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From sdscpcts at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  2 18:09:35 2016
From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (sdscpcts)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 16:09:35 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Weather watch now,Class of '17
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The first time I remember being snowed on was the 9th of August, one year, just south of Red Peak Pass in southern Yosemite National Park. It only snowed a few inches, but it was enough to make the point that it can snow any time of year.?
? ? ?Rob?

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-------- Original message --------From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> Date: 9/25/16  9:43 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net> Subject: [pct-l] Weather watch now,Class of '17 
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Ned,
You are absolutely correct.
Does the window close in October?....of course not.
But the potential for snow, especially light snow, increases at high
elevations after September and if a hiker is anticipating snow free
conditions and is not prepared for snow it can make his journey less
than pleasant if he encounters snow and I like to make my backpacking
adventures pleasant.

It may rain at 8,000 feet and be freezing rain or snow at 12,000 feet.
I have hiked the Sierra extensively since 1968 and have encountered
snow in the middle of summer on more than one occasion.

About 10 years ago on one of my JMT hikes, between Guitar Lake and
Whitney, my home made tenant collapsed on me in the middle of the night
under the weight of wet snow in late August or early September.
It snowed all night and needless to say I was not a happy camper.
It rained at lower elevations but snowed at the high elevation where
I camped that night.

I learned my lesson that night, about 10 years ago, that is why I like
to get through the Sierra before October.

Of course, like you say, the Sierra window is open past September but
the hiker needs to be aware and prepared for the potential of freezing
rain and snow at high elevations.

JMT Reinhold
Your happy trail companion
.....................................
? 
Ned wrote:
Thanks, Reinhold, for all your support and encouragement over the years!

I stretch the time frame to mid-November because most of the storms that hit
the Sierra early, September thru November, are usually less than a foot in
quantity and melt off within a day or so of the sun coming out. This is not
based on any statistics, but rather my own on-trail experience during those
months. However, you'll see below, that I have revised my recommended time
frames. [Dittli, would you concur?]

Let's look at the SoBo thru hike time window respective of powder snow
"bookends,"

At the Pacific Northwest end...

Light Winter:? consider a mid-June start
Average Winter:? consider a July 4th start (based on the recommendations by
locals)
Heavy Winter:? consider an August 1st start

At the Sierra end...
(again, these dates are based on living in the Sierra for the past 30 years.
A statistician can refine this...)

Early Winter:? ski areas open on Thanksgiving
Average Winter:? ski areas open for Christmas
Late Winter:? ski areas make snow for Christmas and pray for snow in January

People need to realize that storms track three ways on the coast,
- hit to the north, Portland and Seattle, and miss the Sierra
- hit both the north and south, tracking down the coast on its way east
- hit the south and miss the north.

Therefore, one end is usually hit harder than the other. So, it becomes a
gamble what you'll get when doing your planning months ahead of a hike!
Start dates SoBo have to be flexible and hikers have to be patient for safe
trail conditions. The longer you wait to start, the more consolidated will
be the snow and with wisdom, the safer you may be.

So, let's put together the 9 possibilities:
(Premise: 1 month for Washington, 1 month for Oregon, 1 month for NorCal,
and then they are in the Sierra at Donner)

1. PNW post-average winter to Sierra average winter start:
- July 4th to November 1st? (5 months of trail time)
- Meaning:? hikers start on steep, slippery, consolidated snow and go
through the Sierra under a moderate threat of light snow.

2. PNW post-average winter to Sierra late winter start:
- July 4th to mid-November (4.5 months)
- Meaning: hikers start on steep, slippery, consolidated snow and go through
the Sierra under a light-moderate threat of light snow.

3. PNW post-average winter to Sierra early winter start:
- July 4th to mid-October (3.5 months)
- Meaning: hikers start on steep, slippery, consolidated snow and go through
the Sierra under a moderate threat of light/heavy snow.

4. PNW post-light winter to Sierra late winter start:
- Mid-June to mid-November (5 months)
- Meaning: hikers will start on a thinner snowpack of steep, slippery snow
and go through the Sierra under a mild threat of light snow.

5 & 6

7. PNW post-heavy winter to Sierra early winter start:
- August 1st to mid-October (2.5 months)
- Meaning: hikers will start on steep, slippery consolidated snow and have a
moderate threat of snow in the northern Sierra and a pretty good chance of
deeper powder snow in the higher Sierra that may stop them in their tracks.

8 & 9

I'm not going to extrapolate all of them. You can see where I'm going. SoBo
hikers will have to do their best with the hiking season they get, being
aware of what can happen weather-wise in fall season Sierra.


Ned Tibbits, Director
Mountain Education, Inc.
ned at mountaineducation.org 
<http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>? 

......................................................


Listen to what Ned is saying gang,....Ned knows what he is talking about.

He is the expert when it comes to hiking in snow.

The only thing I would like to point out is that I always prefer and

recommend getting through the Sierra by the end of September.

The Sierra, because of its elevation, is a different kind of a beast.

It can snow in the Sierra at any time of the year, even in the middle

of summer...I have gotten snowed on in the Sierra in the middle of

the summer on more than one occasion.

However, after September, the chance of new snow in the Sierra

increases drastically, changes the whole equation, and you better be

prepared for serious snow hiking.

Scott Williamson, with 14 PCT thru-hikes (16 counting section hikes),

including 2 PCT yo-yo thru-hikes, and 3 prior PCT speed records, the

undeniable, unquestionable, indisputable "KING" of the PCT had to

bail out and abandon 2 other yo-yo attempts, in prior years, because

he got back? to the Sierra to late, after it already started snowing, on

his way back to the Mexican border.

Like I said, the equation changes dramatically ones it starts snowing

in the Sierra....that is why I prefer to get through the Sierra before

October.

JMT Reinhold

............................................................


Class of '17!

I want you to pay attention to the weather this September-November because,
for the majority of you, these are the months in which you'll be ending your
thru hikes next year. Watch, now, to be ready, then.

Doesn't matter whether you are planning on going NoBo or SoBo, watch how the
weather comes in this fall and how the high country along the PCT
transitions to winter. What you see this year, you may experience next year.
(Of course, this is not always true, but be aware, nonetheless, to help make
your planning decisions).

The points are,
- NoBo: Get to Manning by mid-September and
- SoBo: Get through the Sierra by mid-November

to avoid cold, wet, and maybe deep powder snow keeping you from your dream
of completing a thru hike of the Pacific Crest Trail.

The premise is this,
- Fall and winter weather bring cold, lots of damp, and maybe freezing rain
or powder snow. The human body does not do well in this environment without
help and that needs to be anticipated by having an awareness of it. If you
spend too much time while NoBo along the trail in the south and find
yourself way behind schedule, these conditions can and have stopped many a
thru hiker just shy of their goal after working towards it for months.

If you want a fun and successful thru hike, among many things, know what
you're up against and prepare for them, know your self and why you're there,
practice the skills required to overcome expected adversity and challenge
(personal/internal and environmental/external), and take lots of
progressively longer hikes, ending with one that is as exposed as the PCT
and long enough to require a resupply (3 weeks).

You will be hearing more advice from me as your start dates get nearer, as I
want all of you to have the fun and safe life-changing wilderness journeys
you hope for, but those come with planning grounded in reality! I will be
talking more about the "Realities of the Trail" over the next few months.

Ned Tibbits, Director
Mountain Education, Inc.




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From dofdear at cox.net  Mon Oct  3 22:52:28 2016
From: dofdear at cox.net (Dan C. aka Thumper)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 20:52:28 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Backpack Analysis
In-Reply-To: <20150607141702.RE5AD.96968.imail@fed1rmwml214>
Message-ID: <20161003235228.Q1FQ5.107882.root@fed1rmwml105>

Dear List,

Our friend Eric the Black posted a list of some 177 packs on his website:

http://blackwoodspress.com/blog/28703/ultimate-guide-lightweight-backpacks/

Now I don't know about you but I find a list that long way to much to consider.  As such I've done some simple analysis to help weed things out by adding 2 rankings; 1) a Volume to Weight Ration Ranking and 2) a Volume to Weight Ration to Cost Ration Ranking.  Eric has already broken the list down into 3 groupings,  Large Backpacks (65 ? 80 Liters), Medium Backpacks (50 ? 64 Liters) and Small Backpacks (35 ? 49 Liters).  So my rankings are within these groups.  It's still up to you to review each pack for features and functionality along with fit and sex appeal.  For usability select the text below and copy it into Excel or your favorite spreadsheet program.   Anyone wanting a workbook with formulas please contact me off list.  And as a side note I might be interested in regrouping the data with the middle group being say 45 - 55 Liters as I believe this is the most common pack size for a thru-hiker.

Thumper aka dofdear 


Name	Weight (lbs)	Volume (Liters)	 Cost (USD) 	Gender:	Vol/Weight Ratio	V/W Ration Ranking	Vol/Weight Ration to Cost	V/W Ration  to Cost Ranking
Large Backpacks (65 ? 80 Liters)					Higher better		Lower Better	
Mountain Hardware Ozonic 65 OutDry	3.94	68	 $270.00 	Unisex	17.25888325	21	15.64411765	21
Osprey Viva 65 (Women?s)	3.88	65	 $200.00 	Female	16.75257732	22	11.93846154	14
Lowe Alpine Cholatse 65:75	3.75	75	 $190.00 	Male	20	10	9.5	5
Lowe Alpine Metanoia 65:80	3.75	80	 $210.00 	Unisex	21.33333333	8	9.84375	8
Mountain Hardware South Col 70 OutDry	3.75	73	 $300.00 	Unisex	19.46666667	15	15.4109589	20
REI Flash 65	3.63	65	 $199.00 	Male	17.90633609	20	11.11338462	11
Montane Grand Tour 70	3.63	70	 $245.00 	Unisex	19.28374656	16	12.705	16
Exped Backcountry 65	3.5	65	 $399.00 	Unisex	18.57142857	18	21.48461538	22
Lowe Alpine Cholatse ND60:70 (Women?s)	3.5	70	 $190.00 	Female	20	10	9.5	5
Six Moon Designs Flex Pack	3.5	65	 $250.00 	Unisex	18.57142857	18	13.46153846	17
Exped Thunder 70	3.5	70	 $279.00 	Male	20	10	13.95	18
Exped Thunder 70 (Women?s)	3.5	70	 $279.00 	Female	20	10	13.95	18
Deuter ACT Zero 50 +15	3.38	65	 $189.00 	Male	19.23076923	17	9.828	7
Gregory Jade 63 (Women?s)	3.31	65	 $229.00 	Female	19.63746224	14	11.66138462	13
ULA Equipment Camino 2	3.25	75	 $260.00 	Unisex	23.07692308	7	11.26666667	12
Six Moon Designs Fusion 65	3.25	67	 $250.00 	Unisex	20.61538462	9	12.12686567	15
ULA Equipment Catalyst	3	75	 $260.00 	Unisex	25	6	10.4	10
ULA Equipment Epic	2.69	75	 $285.00 	Unisex	27.88104089	4	10.222	9
ULA Equipment Circuit	2.56	68	 $235.00 	Unisex	26.5625	5	8.847058824	3
ULA Equipment AirX	2.44	75	 $225.00 	Unisex	30.73770492	3	7.32	2
MyTrailCo Backpack Light 70L	2.25	70	 $179.00 	Unisex	31.11111111	2	5.753571429	1
Hyperlite Mountain Gear 3400 Series	2.06	72	 $330.00 	Unisex	34.95145631	1	9.441666667	4
Medium Backpacks (50 ? 64 Liters)								
Osprey Volt 60	3.94	60	 $180.00 	Male	15.2284264	46	11.82	38
Gregory Jade 53 (Women?s)	3.88	55	 $199.00 	Female	14.17525773	56	14.03854545	50
Mountain Hardware Ozonic 58 OutDry (Women?s)	3.88	61	 $260.00 	Female	15.72164948	43	16.53770492	53
Deuter ACT Lite 50 +10	3.81	60	 $189.00 	Male	15.7480315	42	12.0015	41
Granite Gear Nimbus Trace Access 60	3.81	57	 $329.95 	Male	14.96062992	50	22.05455263	57
Granite Gear Nimbus Trace Access 60 KI (Women?s)	3.81	57	 $329.95 	Female	14.96062992	50	22.05455263	57
Mountain Hardware Ozonic 50 OutDry	3.81	53	 $230.00 	Unisex	13.91076115	57	16.53396226	52
Deuter ACT Lite 45 +10 SL (Women?s)	3.75	55	 $189.00 	Female	14.66666667	54	12.88636364	46
Deuter ACT Lite 40 +10	3.69	50	 $179.00 	Male	13.5501355	59	13.2102	47
Kelty Redwing 50	3.69	51	 $139.95 	Unisex	13.82113821	58	10.12579412	26
Osprey Viva 50 (Women?s)	3.69	50	 $180.00 	Female	13.5501355	59	13.284	48
Black Diamond Mission 55	3.56	54	 $219.95 	Unisex	15.16853933	47	14.50040741	51
Lowe Alpine Cholatse 55	3.5	55	 $180.00 	Male	15.71428571	44	11.45454545	34
Mountain Hardware Direttissima 50 OutDry	3.5	53	 $270.00 	Unisex	15.14285714	48	17.83018868	56
Exped Mountain Pro 50	3.5	50	 $349.00 	Unisex	14.28571429	55	24.43	60
Exped Thunder 50	3.38	50	 $249.00 	Male	14.79289941	52	16.8324	54
Exped Thunder 50 (Women?s)	3.38	50	 $249.00 	Female	14.79289941	52	16.8324	54
Deuter ACT Zero 45 +15 SL (Women?s)	3.31	60	 $189.00 	Female	18.12688822	34	10.4265	28
Exped Backcountry 55	3.31	55	 $379.00 	Unisex	16.6163142	39	22.80890909	59
Lowe Alpine Cholatse ND50 (Women?s)	3.31	50	 $180.00 	Female	15.10574018	49	11.916	39
Black Diamond Element 60	3.31	61	 $219.95 	Male	18.42900302	31	11.9349918	40
REI Flash 60 (Women?s)	3.31	60	 $199.00 	Female	18.12688822	34	10.97816667	31
Black Diamond Elixir 60 (Women?s)	3.25	59	 $219.95 	Female	18.15384615	33	12.11588983	42
Osprey Stratos 50	3.19	50	 $180.00 	Male	15.67398119	45	11.484	35
Gregory Amber 60 (Women?s)	3.13	60	 $199.00 	Female	19.16932907	28	10.38116667	27
Granite Gear Lutsen 55	3.13	55	 $219.95 	Unisex	17.57188498	38	12.51715455	44
Kelty PK 50	3.13	50	 $199.95 	Male	15.97444089	40	12.51687	43
Osprey Sirrus 50 (Women?s)	3.13	50	 $180.00 	Female	15.97444089	40	11.268	33
Six Moon Designs Fusion 50	3.06	55	 $230.00 	Unisex	17.97385621	36	12.79636364	45
Granite Gear Leopard AC 58	3	56	 $249.95 	Male	18.66666667	30	13.39017857	49
Gregory Zulu 55	3	55	 $199.00 	Male	18.33333333	32	10.85454545	30
Montane Grand Tour 55	2.94	55	 $199.00 	Male	18.70748299	29	10.63745455	29
Granite Gear Blaze AC 60	2.81	58	 $239.95 	Male	20.6405694	23	11.62516379	36
Granite Gear Blaze AC 60 KI (Women?s)	2.81	58	 $239.95 	Female	20.6405694	23	11.62516379	36
Montane Grand Tour 50 (Women?s)	2.81	50	 $199.00 	Female	17.79359431	37	11.1838	32
Black Diamond Speed 50	2.75	54	 $189.95 	Unisex	19.63636364	25	9.67337963	23
Marmot Gravitron 48	2.56	50	 $179.00 	Unisex	19.53125	26	9.1648	19
Exped Lightning 60	2.56	60	 $229.00 	Male	23.4375	21	9.770666667	25
Klymit Motion 60	2.56	60	 $164.95 	Unisex	23.4375	21	7.037866667	12
Exped Torrent 50	2.56	50	 $169.00 	Unisex	19.53125	26	8.6528	16
Exped Lightning 60 (Women?s)	2.44	60	 $229.00 	Female	24.59016393	17	9.312666667	22
Osprey Exos 58	2.38	58	 $220.00 	Unisex	24.3697479	19	9.027586207	18
Elemental Horizons Aquilo	2.25	64	 $255.00 	Unisex	28.44444444	14	8.96484375	17
Mountainsmith Scream 55	2.25	55	 $149.95 	Unisex	24.44444444	18	6.134318182	8
Granite Gear Crown VC 60	2.19	63	 $199.95 	Male	28.76712329	13	6.950642857	11
MyTrailCo Backpack Light 50L	2.13	50	 $149.00 	Unisex	23.4741784	20	6.3474	9
Granite Gear Crown VC 60 KI (Women?s)	2.06	58	 $199.95 	Female	28.15533981	15	7.101672414	13
Gossamer Gear Mariposa 60	2.06	57	 $255.00 	Unisex	27.66990291	16	9.215789474	21
ULA Equipment OHM 2.0	2.06	63	 $210.00 	Unisex	30.58252427	10	6.866666667	10
Hyperlite Mountain Gear 2400 Series	1.88	56	 $290.00 	Unisex	29.78723404	12	9.735714286	24
Montane Ultra Tour 55	1.81	55	 $149.00 	Unisex	30.38674033	11	4.903454545	7
Equinox Katahdin	1.63	55	 $129.00 	Unisex	33.74233129	9	3.823090909	5
Zpacks Arc Haul	1.5	62	 $299.00 	Unisex	41.33333333	5	7.233870968	14
Zpacks Arc Zip	1.5	57	 $350.00 	Unisex	38	7	9.210526316	20
ULA Equipment CDT	1.5	54	 $145.00 	Unisex	36	8	4.027777778	6
Equinox ARAS Eagle	1.31	52	 $138.00 	Unisex	39.69465649	6	3.476538462	4
Zpacks Arc Blast 55	1.31	55	 $325.00 	Unisex	41.98473282	4	7.740909091	15
Granite Gear Virga 2	1.19	54	 $139.95 	Unisex	45.37815126	3	3.084083333	2
Gossamer Gear G4	1.06	53	 $114.95 	Unisex	50	2	2.299	1
Mountain Laurel Designs Exodus 57	1	57	 $195.00 	Unisex	57	1	3.421052632	3
Small Backpacks (35 ? 49 Liters)								
Osprey Aura AG 50 (Women?s)	4	47	 $230.00 	Female	11.75	86	19.57446809	90
Kelty Catalyst 46 (Women?s)	4	48	 $159.95 	Female	12	79	13.32916667	58
Deuter Futura PRO 44 EL	3.94	49	 $169.00 	Male	12.43654822	73	13.58897959	64
Deuter Futura PRO 40 SL (Women?s)	3.81	44	 $169.00 	Female	11.54855643	88	14.63386364	82
Deuter Futura PRO 42	3.81	47	 $169.00 	Male	12.33595801	75	13.69978723	66
REI Traverse 48	3.75	49	 $169.00 	Male	13.06666667	64	12.93367347	54
Black Diamond Mission 45	3.69	44	 $209.95 	Unisex	11.92411924	80	17.60717045	88
Deuter Futura 35 EL	3.63	39	 $149.00 	Unisex	10.74380165	94	13.86846154	68
Osprey Kestrel 48	3.63	47	 $180.00 	Male	12.9476584	65	13.90212766	69
Gregory Stout 45	3.63	45	 $169.00 	Unisex	12.39669421	74	13.63266667	65
REI Traverse 48 (Women?s)	3.63	47	 $169.00 	Female	12.9476584	65	13.05255319	55
Deuter ACT Lite 35 +10 SL (Women?s)	3.5	45	 $179.00 	Female	12.85714286	67	13.92222222	70
Osprey Kyte 46 (Women?s)	3.5	45	 $180.00 	Female	12.85714286	67	14	73
Mountainsmith Mayhem 45	3.5	45	 $159.95 	Unisex	12.85714286	67	12.44055556	47
Deuter ACT Trail PRO 40	3.38	40	 $169.00 	Male	11.83431953	84	14.2805	79
Gregory Alpinisto 50	3.38	40	 $239.00 	Unisex	11.83431953	84	20.1955	92
Deuter ACT Trail PRO 38 SL (Women?s)	3.31	38	 $169.00 	Female	11.48036254	89	14.72078947	83
Lowe Alpine Cholatse 45	3.31	45	 $170.00 	Male	13.59516616	62	12.50444444	49
Arcteryx Kea 37	3.31	40	 $199.00 	Unisex	12.08459215	78	16.46725	86
Gregory Stout 35	3.31	35	 $149.00 	Unisex	10.57401813	95	14.09114286	77
Exped Vertigo 45	3.25	45	 $199.00 	Unisex	13.84615385	58	14.37222222	81
Mountainsmith Approach 45	3.19	44	 $129.95 	Unisex	13.79310345	59	9.421375	27
Black Diamond Element 45	3.19	46	 $199.95 	Male	14.4200627	51	13.86609783	67
Black Diamond Stone 45	3.19	44	 $159.95 	Unisex	13.79310345	59	11.596375	40
Gregory Amber 44 (Women?s)	3.13	45	 $169.00 	Female	14.37699681	52	11.75488889	41
Black Diamond Elixir 45 (Women?s)	3.13	44	 $199.95 	Female	14.05750799	55	14.22371591	78
Osprey Kyte 36 (Women?s)	3.13	35	 $160.00 	Female	11.18210863	93	14.30857143	80
Lowe Alpine Cholatse 35	3.06	35	 $160.00 	Male	11.4379085	90	13.98857143	71
Lowe Alpine Cholatse ND35 (Women?s)	3.06	35	 $160.00 	Female	11.4379085	90	13.98857143	71
Mountain Hardware Direttissima 35 OutDry	3.06	35	 $200.00 	Unisex	11.4379085	90	17.48571429	87
Osprey Kestrel 38	3.06	37	 $160.00 	Male	12.09150327	77	13.23243243	56
Exped Mountain Pro 40	3.06	42	 $289.00 	Unisex	13.7254902	61	21.05571429	93
Gregory Amber 34 (Women?s)	3	35	 $149.00 	Female	11.66666667	87	12.77142857	52
Exped Backcountry 45	3	45	 $359.00 	Unisex	15	46	23.93333333	95
Salewa Guide 45	3	45	 $198.95 	Unisex	15	46	13.26333333	57
Granite Gear Lutsen 45	3	45	 $199.95 	Unisex	15	46	13.33	59
Kelty PK 50 (Women?s)	3	48	 $199.95 	Female	16	36	12.496875	48
Mountainsmith Mayhem 35	2.94	35	 $139.95 	Male	11.9047619	81	11.7558	42
Mountainsmith Mayhem 35 WSD (Women?s)	2.94	35	 $139.95 	Female	11.9047619	81	11.7558	42
Osprey Stratos 36	2.94	35	 $160.00 	Male	11.9047619	81	13.44	62
Granite Gear Lutsen 35	2.88	35	 $179.95 	Unisex	12.15277778	76	14.80731429	84
REI Trail 40	2.88	40	 $109.00 	Male	13.88888889	56	7.848	15
Gregory Zulu 40	2.88	40	 $179.00 	Male	13.88888889	56	12.888	53
Gregory Jade 38 (Women?s)	2.81	40	 $179.00 	Female	14.23487544	53	12.57475	51
Granite Gear Leopard VC 46	2.81	48	 $229.95 	Male	17.08185053	31	13.46165625	63
Osprey Manta AG 36	2.81	35	 $175.00 	Male	12.45551601	72	14.05	74
REI Trail 40 (Women?s)	2.81	40	 $109.00 	Female	14.23487544	53	7.65725	14
Deuter ACT Trail 36 EL	2.75	36	 $139.00 	Unisex	13.09090909	63	10.61805556	37
Montane Fast Alpine 40	2.75	40	 $229.00 	Unisex	14.54545455	50	15.74375	85
Six Moon Designs Flight 40 Backpacker	2.75	44	 $215.00 	Unisex	16	36	13.4375	61
Salewa Guide 35	2.75	35	 $178.95 	Unisex	12.72727273	70	14.06035714	76
Osprey Sirrus 36 (Women?s)	2.75	35	 $160.00 	Female	12.72727273	70	12.57142857	50
Marmot Eiger 42	2.69	42	 $189.00 	Unisex	15.6133829	38	12.105	44
Granite Gear Leopard VC 46 KI (Women?s)	2.69	44	 $229.95 	Female	16.35687732	35	14.05830682	75
Patagonia Crag Daddy 45	2.63	45	 $179.00 	Unisex	17.11026616	30	10.46155556	36
Deuter Guide Lite 32+	2.63	40	 $149.00 	Male	15.20912548	40	9.79675	31
Salewa Peuterey 40	2.63	40	 $188.95 	Unisex	15.20912548	40	12.4234625	46
Kelty Redwing 44	2.63	44	 $124.95 	Unisex	16.73003802	33	7.468602273	13
Kelty Redwing 40 (Women?s)	2.63	39	 $124.95 	Female	14.82889734	49	8.426115385	19
Black Diamond Speed 40	2.56	39	 $169.95 	Unisex	15.234375	39	11.15569231	39
Six Moon Designs Flight 40 FKT	2.44	44	 $220.00 	Unisex	18.03278689	25	12.2	45
Marmot Gravitron 38	2.38	40	 $169.00 	Unisex	16.80672269	32	10.0555	34
Deuter Guide Lite 28+ SL (Women?s)	2.38	36	 $149.00 	Female	15.12605042	44	9.850555556	33
Osprey Talon 44	2.38	43	 $150.00 	Male	18.06722689	23	8.302325581	18
Vargo Outdoors TI-ARC	2.38	36	 $299.95 	Unisex	15.12605042	44	19.83002778	91
Patagonia Cragsmith 35	2.31	35	 $129.00 	Unisex	15.15151515	42	8.514	21
Osprey Exos 48	2.31	48	 $190.00 	Unisex	20.77922078	15	9.14375	26
Exped Lightning 45	2.31	45	 $199.00 	Male	19.48051948	19	10.21533333	35
Salewa Miage 35	2.31	35	 $148.95 	Unisex	15.15151515	42	9.8307	32
Exped Torrent 40	2.31	40	 $149.00 	Unisex	17.31601732	29	8.60475	23
Patagonia Ascensionist 45	2.25	45	 $179.00 	Unisex	20	18	8.95	24
Gossamer Gear Gorilla 40	2.19	40	 $245.00 	Unisex	18.26484018	22	13.41375	60
Exped Lightning 45 (Women?s)	2.19	45	 $199.00 	Female	20.54794521	17	9.684666667	30
Osprey Exos 38	2.13	38	 $160.00 	Unisex	17.84037559	27	8.968421053	25
Osprey Tempest 40 (Women?s)	2.13	39	 $150.00 	Female	18.30985915	21	8.192307692	16
Gregory Zulu 35	2.13	35	 $159.00 	Male	16.43192488	34	9.676285714	29
Patagonia Ascensionist 35	2	35	 $149.00 	Unisex	17.5	28	8.514285714	22
Deuter Pace 36	2	36	 $129.00 	Unisex	18	26	7.166666667	12
Elemental Horizons Kalais	1.94	43	 $245.00 	Unisex	22.16494845	13	11.05348837	38
Vargo Outdoors TI-ARC CF	1.94	35	 $399.95 	Unisex	18.04123711	24	22.16865714	94
Exped Core 35	1.88	35	 $119.00 	Unisex	18.61702128	20	6.392	11
Montane Hyper Tour 38	1.81	38	 $399.00 	Unisex	20.99447514	14	19.005	89
Exped Serac 35	1.69	35	 $175.00 	Unisex	20.71005917	16	8.45	20
ULA Equipment Fastpack	1.63	40	 $135.00 	Unisex	24.5398773	11	5.50125	7
Montane Ultra Tour 40	1.63	40	 $139.00 	Unisex	24.5398773	11	5.66425	8
Equinox Pamola	1.5	40	 $119.00 	Unisex	26.66666667	9	4.4625	4
Arcteryx Alpha FL 45	1.44	45	 $259.00 	Unisex	31.25	7	8.288	17
Gossamer Gear Kumo 36	1.44	36	 $155.49 	Unisex	25	10	6.2196	10
Zpacks Arc Blast 45	1.31	45	 $325.00 	Unisex	34.35114504	6	9.461111111	28
Gossamer Gear Pilgrim 36	1.25	36	 $179.00 	Unisex	28.8	8	6.215277778	9
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 48	1	48	 $195.00 	Unisex	48	3	4.0625	3
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 48 CF	0.88	48	 $255.00 	Unisex	54.54545455	1	4.675	5
Mountain Laurel Designs Burn 38	0.81	38	 $180.00 	Unisex	46.91358025	5	3.836842105	2
Mountain Laurel Designs Burn 38 CF	0.75	38	 $240.00 	Unisex	50.66666667	2	4.736842105	6
Gossamer Gear Murmur 36	0.75	36	 $148.00 	Unisex	48	3	3.083333333	1


From lucecruz13 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 07:59:42 2016
From: lucecruz13 at gmail.com (Luce Cruz)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 05:59:42 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Backpack Analysis
In-Reply-To: <20161003235228.Q1FQ5.107882.root@fed1rmwml105>
References: <20150607141702.RE5AD.96968.imail@fed1rmwml214>
 <20161003235228.Q1FQ5.107882.root@fed1rmwml105>
Message-ID: <CAPdO7FxATXzhyttGmvQ1yMtzJhTHHdLjfOr-TZ5kPaCkmQvuyg@mail.gmail.com>

Somehow, and I don't know how, this great pack was not on the list.

https://youtu.be/ZAtzN_ScKXY

-- 
Luce Cruz

From troopharrison at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 08:42:48 2016
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 08:42:48 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Backpack Analysis
In-Reply-To: <CAPdO7FxATXzhyttGmvQ1yMtzJhTHHdLjfOr-TZ5kPaCkmQvuyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20150607141702.RE5AD.96968.imail@fed1rmwml214>
 <20161003235228.Q1FQ5.107882.root@fed1rmwml105>
 <CAPdO7FxATXzhyttGmvQ1yMtzJhTHHdLjfOr-TZ5kPaCkmQvuyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90C34D49-AEA1-473F-9BB2-82BC311CC3D2@gmail.com>

"Intimidate your surroundings" :D

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Luce Cruz <lucecruz13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Somehow, and I don't know how, this great pack was not on the list.
> 
> https://youtu.be/ZAtzN_ScKXY
> 
> -- 
> Luce Cruz
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From ned at mountaineducation.org  Wed Oct  5 16:27:27 2016
From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:27:27 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] [John Muir Trail]Insulated shell for snow travel?
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 <2067298922.4895942.1475688382051@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi, Larry!

 

Well, that is going to depend on a number of environmental and personal things. For example,

 

1.       How much do you sweat when snowshoeing?

2.       Will there be much wind anticipated?

3.       How cold could it be?

4.       Do you get cold easily?

5.       Will you be wearing a full over-night pack?

6.       Will fleece do instead of down?

7.       How well does Gore-Tex do on you in the wet and cold?

 

If you sweat a lot, pretty much any waterproof shell is going to hold in too much moisture and you will get wet in such a cold environment. 

 

Going with a waterproof/breathable shell like Gore-Tex may help to let some of that moisture out, but that will depend on how thick the insulating layer is underneath and whether your heat will be sufficient to drive it through that layer and out the Gore membrane.

 

You can minimize sweating by slowing down or taking frequent breaks.

 

If you can?t stand a waterproof shell and it?s not actively snowing, maybe consider a simple wind shell over an insulating layer. This works well for me. 

 

I can get cold easily, so on really cold mornings, I don?t really get out of my thick down parka. I just throw the pack over it and head out, waiting for my inner furnace to heat me up enough to transition to something lighter. (Yes, I usually carry different layers of mid-insulation from a synthetic Tee shirt to a thin fleece or wool shirt, to the down parka, each able to be comfortably worn under a wind or Gore shell).

 

If there is a lot of wind, I don?t leave the tent or car without full insulation under Gore shells top and bottom when on snow.

 

Carrying a full pack makes the engine run hotter, so if I?m starting a 10-mile day over snow, I?ll start out with thinner insulation and maybe no shell, depending on wind and temperature.

 

The best insulated shell for me may be different for you! Know how you respond (heat and sweat) to work in a cold environment, how well the different types of insulation work for you under those conditions, and whether a wind shell will do a good enough job to keep you warm, but not wet.

 

We often talk about ?micro-climates? when it comes to staying warm in the cold. The most important micro-climate is the one next to your skin! Only you know how to manage that one!

 

Did that help?

 

 

Ned Tibbits, Director

Mountain Education, Inc.

 <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org> ned at mountaineducation.org 

 

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Ned, or other snow travel experts,

 

What is the best insulated shell to get for snow shoeing?

 

Larry

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From ned at mountaineducation.org  Fri Oct  7 11:42:17 2016
From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 09:42:17 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Mountain Education info and discounts
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Just wanted to remind folks that our pre-season discounts are tapering down.


 

If you are anticipating going snowshoeing, snow-camping, or snow-hiking this
winter or the next hiking season, save a little of your precious money and
take advantage of our wilderness school's registration discounts.

 

*         Frequent Flyers:  If you've taken a course with us before, you can
get a 10% discount, but remind us of when it was, course title and date, so
we can look it up. Welcome back!

 

*         Refer a Friend:  If you've taken a course with us before and bring
a friend on your subsequent class, you qualify for an additional 10%
discount (So, 20% for you) and your friend gets 10% off! Again, remind us
when you attended before, course title and date, so we can look it up. Way
to go!

 

*         Large Groups:  Student groups of 6 registering together can
receive a 10% discount each! Spread the word!

 

*         Early Birds: 

 

-          Pre-Labor Day:  Registrations paid in full before Labor Day: 20%
off!

-          Pre-Thanksgiving: Registrations paid in full before Thanksgiving:
10% off!

 

 

Also, we are posting a lot of good planning, preparation, wilderness skills,
and gear selection information on our Facebook page with pictures and videos
to make it real. Take a look! https://www.facebook.com/mountaineducation/ 

 

For those who don't do Facebook, we are trying to cross-post these to the
PCT and JMT groups, as well.

 

We hope all this info helps you be aware and ready for anything the
wilderness might throw at you because we want you to be confident and have
fun out there!

 

 

Ned Tibbits, Director

Mountain Education, Inc.

ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>  

 


From ned at mountaineducation.org  Fri Oct  7 13:12:07 2016
From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 11:12:07 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Wilderness Topics
Message-ID: <306601d220c6$50f1e810$f2d5b830$@mountaineducation.org>

As winter approaches, I wanted to tell everyone that Mountain Education is
ramping up its wilderness skills posts on its Facebook page!
https://www.facebook.com/mountaineducation/ 

 

We hope to cover topics like:

- Creek-crossing          - Water Shoes              - Pole use during
- Snow-caving                - Snow Shovels              - Cave evaluation
- Self-arrest                    - Steep Snow Risk Assessment
- Suncups                      - How to walk on consolidated snow
- Snowshoeing               - Snowshoes                  - Hiking Crampons 
- Hiking on Powder vs. Consolidated Snow           - Hiking Boots 
- Backpack Design          - How to pack a backpack
- Wilderness Safety         - Emergency Communications
- Snow Navigation          - GPS use on snow          - Map & Compass
- Avalanche Awareness & Avoidance                   - Route Selection
- How to find and get water in snow without falling in
- Microspikes                 - Indoors Cooking           - Tent
Organization
- Sunglasses                   - Search & Rescue          -
Hypo/hyperthermia
- Snowblindness             - Acute Mountain Sickness
- Dehydration                 - Altered Mental States    - Sanitation/LNT
- Infection Control          - Sleeping Bag Design
- Getting a Good Night's Sleep                             - Sleeping Pads
- Why Hike?                  - Environmental Navigation
- Look Up!                    - Picking a good Campsite
- Tent Design and Why   - Weather Forecasting
- Electronics in the Backcountry                           - Injury
Prevention
- Water Treatment vs. Filtration                            - Clothing
- First Aid Kit                - Sunscreen, Lip Balm, and bug repellent
- Thermometers and Whistles                               - To Tent or not?
...and many more!

 

If any of these interest you, let us know! If you'd like to hear our
thoughts on something not listed above, let us know...

 

 

Ned Tibbits, Director

Mountain Education, Inc.

ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>  

 


From ned at mountaineducation.org  Fri Oct  7 13:50:23 2016
From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 11:50:23 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Is there a webmaster in the house?
Message-ID: <318c01d220cb$a9703a00$fc50ae00$@mountaineducation.org>

Mountain Education is looking to hire a new webmaster to keep the school's
website looking and working great! 

 

We would prefer someone from our wonderful hiking community who knows how to
present a professional look and is social-media savvy. 

 

(I know you guys are out there because I've met you on the trail!) 

 

Let me know!

 

 

Ned Tibbits, Director

Mountain Education, Inc.

ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>  

 


From efuller at planhike.com  Sun Oct  9 10:35:28 2016
From: efuller at planhike.com (Eric Fuller)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 08:35:28 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Permits 2017
In-Reply-To: <CAO-n75wC7E5FW+S=TeU3OViOm2eydRUmUgfV2q6e2dvepKjqxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E08EF1266D2B42569CA3874B5746781D@RobertERiessPC>
 <CAO-n75wC7E5FW+S=TeU3OViOm2eydRUmUgfV2q6e2dvepKjqxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <219aa78e-bd93-c9eb-1516-f795ee7bba18@planhike.com>

In regards to water in the first 100 miles.

In my opinion, hikers drying up natural creeks and springs within the 
first 100 miles is not the issue.

mile 0 is a liquor store right off the bus stop.

during hiking season the Hauser canyon creek is typically dry. a trail 
angel set out water bottles.

mile 20 is the campground with lots of water sources and a liquor store 
outside the campground gates.

from lake morena there are 3 campgrounds and sometimes a cache with 
water on the way to the top of lagunas that im aware of and one one top 
just before town.

Kitchen creek is a water source but is said to be polluted by marijuana 
growers.

Lagunas have a several piped or tanked water sources along the stretch.

Rodriguez jeep rd has a tank which last year was very very low because 
it has a leak that hasn't been fixed for years. and apparently has not 
be refilled.

during hiking season, scissor crossings creek has been dry the dozen or 
so times ive been thru there. Full Water bottles are found left behind 
by trail anglels around the bridge. 4 miles east is an rv park with water.

3rd gate cache

then barrel spring at 102.

I guess what I'm saying is that the first 100 can be hiked without ever 
tapping  a natural resource like a spring or creek.. not to say noone 
ever filters water out of the laguna creek. but the creek is the only 
one that I could envision drying up.  It's not the hikers I worry about, 
its the illigal marijuana growing operation on laguna that threatens the 
creek.

Hundy

On 9/27/2016 3:39 PM, Cody B wrote:
> BR,
>
> The permit limits are in place to protect the fragile environments and
> ecosystems that the Pacific Crest Trail passes through from overuse by
> hikers. They are there for a very good reason and it is indeed backed by
> research on environmental impact. The first several hundred miles are
> particularly vulnerable as there are very limited water resources and many
> of them cannot support hundreds of hikers draining them in addition to
> supplying the necessary water for the native plants and animals.
>
> It is possible to hike the PCT legally without a long-distance permit
> published by the PCTA, but that does require seeking out each permit
> individually and doing the research on your own. The permit issued by the
> PCTA is actually a collection of permits by the National Parks Service,
> State Parks Systems, Forest Service, and others that allows you to pass
> through the entire trail corridor without seeking out each necessary permit
> individually. It is a service provided to us and there is a limit on that
> service so that the trail is still there, beautiful, and most importantly,
> usable for years to come.
>
> I saw a lot of disregard for permits on the trail this summer and it
> concerns me. People ranted about "the government trying to control their
> rights saying when they can or can't hike" (I would like to note that the
> PCTA is not a government organization) while not paying any regard to the
> reason those permits are there.
>
> PLEASE be conscientious about this. If we aim to be stewards of the
> environment and participate in LNT practices then paying mind to the permit
> system and the permit limits is extremely important. They are not there to
> limit us. They are there to protect us and the beauty we love to indulge
> ourselves in.
>
> Passionately,
>
> Wikipedia
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Robert E. Riess <robert.riess at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations to the Class of 2016, who were lucky enough to draw a PCTA
>> Long Distance Permit starting at the border, and who had no ADZPCTKO to
>> inspire and enlighten them. I am saddened by what I hope is a temporary
>> halt to the world-class hiking event which for 17 great years gave so much
>> to so many, provided by so few, and who did it so very, very well. I am
>> thankful for the opportunity to have partaken.
>>
>>
>>
>> Certainly, a 2016 PCT through hike is an accomplishment of great pride and
>> satisfaction.  Some were not so fortunate.  Some from overseas could not
>> get a permit to conform with their travel arrangements and just gave up on
>> their goal of hiking the PCT in 2016.  At least one hiker known to me had
>> to cancel his airline ticket and rebook to conform with his PCTA permit at
>> an additional cost of over $1000.  Some were scared to death of being
>> stopped by the US Forest Service because their only chance to hike did not
>> conform with the date of their PCTA Long Distance Permit.  They were in
>> genuine fear of having their passports confiscated for ?illegal hiking.?
>> Many US and foreign hikers had permits which were at variance with the
>> actual dates of their starts, and many more hiked without a permit of any
>> kind.
>>
>>
>>
>> In 2015 and 2016, the PCTA, on its own authority as trail manager,
>> established a daily quota of 50 Long Distance Permits starting at the
>> border during the height of through-hiker season.  I was told by Beth
>> Boyst, the PCT Trail Manager for the US Forest Service, that the limit of
>> 50 permits per day was her idea, stating also that she arrived at the
>> decision based upon exhaustive research into the increase in hiker numbers
>> experienced during the years 2012-2014, and their attendant impact on the
>> first 100 miles of the PCT.   This confused me in that one agency limited
>> the number of permits and another took credit for the decision, so on April
>> 14 of this year, I submitted a Freedom of Information Act request asking
>> for all documentation discussing or supporting the 50 permit daily limit.
>> The US Forest Service reply to my FOIA request providing 4 pages of
>> responsive documents was received on July 7.  I will provide my original
>> FOIA request and the Forest Service?s response by email to anyone who
>> requests them.  I have read these documents many times, and I have found no
>> basis whatsoever for limiting daily hiking permits.  This is the official
>> response of the government of the United States to a valid request for
>> information.  By law, it is exhaustive and complete.  There is no more
>> information to consider.  No anecdotes, no feelings, no opinions, no
>> guesses.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, with the 2016 PCT through hiking season drawing to a close, there will
>> be many hikers with recent experiences on the trail who may be willing to
>> share their experiences and offer their opinions regarding the necessity
>> and efficacy of the 2015-2016 permit limitations.  IMO, this is necessary
>> if the PCT hiking community wants to influence the 2017 hiking season on
>> the PCT, either in favor of permit limitations, or opposed to them.  You
>> should not expect to be asked for your experiences and opinions by the US
>> Forest Service or the PCTA.  Some of us recall how the permit limitations
>> were implemented for the past 2 years.  There was no public discussion,
>> there was no opportunity for hikers to state their positions, and there was
>> no advance notice.  Hikers first became aware of the 50 permit per day
>> limitation simultaneously with the opening of the issuance of permits by
>> the PCTA.  There is every indication there will be more of the same in
>> 2017.  Congratulations to the Class of 2016.  Good Luck to the Class of
>> 2017.   BR
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From pctl at oakapple.net  Wed Oct 12 11:35:22 2016
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 09:35:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] I hope everybody is off the trail
Message-ID: <201610121635.u9CGZMkZ000143@server-f.oakapple.net>


The weather forecast looks very bad starting tomorrow, from Mammoth all
the way north to Winthrop.       Worse than the rain will be the high winds
knocking down trees in saturated soil.

Sequoia and Lone Pine south seem to be OK,    
I hope any remaining southbounders are at least that far.     
On Labor Day there were still several in the Lassen-Belden zone.

Today looks beautiful almost everywhere.     Just like the day the Donner
party decided to take an extra zero to rest the animals. 

From grandpafaris at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 15 16:13:12 2016
From: grandpafaris at yahoo.com (Jim Faris)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 21:13:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
References: <1625502637.422557.1476565992595.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1625502637.422557.1476565992595@mail.yahoo.com>

does anybody know if there is any water Mojave , off ? ?hwy?58 ? ?tehachapi ? pass can any catches or any ?water ?any where out there

From grandpafaris at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 15 16:16:30 2016
From: grandpafaris at yahoo.com (Jim Faris)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 21:16:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
References: <1146722053.403141.1476566190640.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1146722053.403141.1476566190640@mail.yahoo.com>



From mel at tungate.com  Sat Oct 15 16:41:00 2016
From: mel at tungate.com (Mel)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 14:41:00 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1625502637.422557.1476565992595@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1625502637.422557.1476565992595.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1625502637.422557.1476565992595@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F124C043-2704-427A-9123-FF58F9C12286@tungate.com>

There was some at 566.5 at the broken sign north of 58 last Sunday might.   About 48 liters.   But in hiking terms, 6 days is a long time.  

Mel



> On Oct 15, 2016, at 2:13 PM, Jim Faris <grandpafaris at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> does anybody know if there is any water Mojave , off    hwy 58    tehachapi   pass can any catches or any  water  any where out there
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From grandpafaris at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 15 16:44:56 2016
From: grandpafaris at yahoo.com (Jim Faris)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 21:44:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] looking for water
References: <1296971782.407264.1476567896765.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1296971782.407264.1476567896765@mail.yahoo.com>

Tehachapi pass / Mojave ? ?is there a place i can put a cache in the desert ?starting off Hwy 58?

From bwatt at 1fifoto.com  Tue Oct 18 16:06:52 2016
From: bwatt at 1fifoto.com (Brian Watt)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 16:06:52 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Austin Long Distance Hiking group meet-up at downtown REI
 on 10/19
Message-ID: <5a99333a-a8f3-4b6f-c4cc-3e068910d285@1fifoto.com>

Final reminder that the Austin Long Distance Hiking FB Group is meeting 
tomorrow (Wednesday 10/19) at the Downtown REI, 601 N Lamar Blvd, Austin 
TX from 6 to 9 PM. Come ask questions. Come tell about your thru-hiking 
adventure. Sign-up here: 
https://www.facebook.com/events/701504856663417/ 
<https://www.facebook.com/events/701504856663417/?ref=4&action_history=null&source=4>


From ralbach at austin.rr.com  Wed Oct 19 08:05:07 2016
From: ralbach at austin.rr.com (Albach)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 08:05:07 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Section F: Kelso Valley road access
Message-ID: <e391c1d7-79df-8e93-3a8d-a37f698cac58@austin.rr.com>

Howdy Hikers,

I'm seeking advice on how myself and two kiddos (18/15) could reach the 
PCT crossing of Kelso Valley road. We try to put in a half section prior 
to overindulging in the holiday food fests. Getting back from Walker 
pass should not be a problem w the bus.

Note that we will be flying in and out of LAX so the dual car approach 
won't be an option for us.

Thanks,

-Robert

From ned at mountaineducation.org  Wed Oct 19 10:19:50 2016
From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 08:19:50 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Tent Design for Happy Hikes, pt. 1
Message-ID: <1de301d22a1c$3c975fd0$b5c61f70$@mountaineducation.org>

[Again, this is for those who don't "do" Facebook where, on the Mountain
Education, Inc. page, aspiring hikers can find lots of wilderness safety
info to consider before their next trip!]

 

 

[First, the classic disclaimer: We are not tent designers nor are we tent
manufacturers in any way. What follows are just our observations and
opinions on tent design, function, and performance after watching and using
many in the field over our 34 as a wilderness school. We solely hope this
helps you make an educated decision when you come to purchasing a tent.]

 

 

If your pack is your home, your tent is your bedroom!

 

Let's talk tent design for happy hikes.

 

 

Purpose: To provide a portable, enclosed, and secure shelter from the
outside world.

(The right tent for you, then, needs to be based on these four "knowns"!)

 

Outside World (anticipated elements):

-          Weather

-          Bugs/Animals

-          Campsites (exposure, surface material, campfires, people)

Portable:

-          Size, Weight, and Volume (You'll have to carry it!)

-          Difficulty of trip

-          How carried

Enclosed:

-          Purpose/Function (why a tent, ease of pitching, adjustability)

-          Design (roominess, dimension, shape, doors, storage, cleaning)

-          Materials & Construction (fabric, zippers, seams, pole design and
strength)

Security:

-          Weatherproof (sun, heat, sparks, cold, wind, rain, hail, ice,
snow, splash, wind-driven)

-          Bug/animal-proof (crawling, climbing, flying, chewing,
slithering, creeping, clawing)

-          Privacy

Choosing a tent based on the season the manufacturer designed it for, alone,
assumes the designers knew what you'll be walking into, and you'll be hoping
it's true! Let's break all this down into greater detail so you can make an
educated and informed decision:

 

Part-2 just came out today, but we wanted to post part-1, first. Part-2 will
get into the details of "The Outside World."

https://www.facebook.com/mountaineducation/ 

 

 

Ned Tibbits, Director

Mountain Education, Inc.

ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>  

 


From bwatt at 1fifoto.com  Wed Oct 19 12:16:36 2016
From: bwatt at 1fifoto.com (Brian Watt)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:16:36 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Austin Long Distance Hiking group meet-up at downtown
 REI on 10/19
In-Reply-To: <CAHbk4RLXuae9ncDUAV1TMsz0ZFEeqCp++DKu=bncEJB2D7U5Mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a99333a-a8f3-4b6f-c4cc-3e068910d285@1fifoto.com>
 <CAHbk4RLXuae9ncDUAV1TMsz0ZFEeqCp++DKu=bncEJB2D7U5Mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ab070ac-fa52-ba23-e400-136d8ac4004a@1fifoto.com>

Sam,

I'm planning on doing another after the holidays as people's hiking 
plans begin to coalesce. Stay tuned...

Bri



From troopharrison at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 12:34:27 2016
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:34:27 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Incompetent veins
In-Reply-To: <5A9C1949-621E-41B8-8806-5AE7B966500C@gmail.com>
References: <D53EA776-AF60-4C30-87C9-A08DE3424D7F@gmail.com>
 <5A9C1949-621E-41B8-8806-5AE7B966500C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F9CDEDDD-AEF1-48FD-B464-2AF0B397C8E0@gmail.com>

Sorry it took me so long to reply! Jerry, I love that! I'm just ornery enough to do it
Cheers
Hacker

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Jerry's gmail <geraldbking at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Remember to mail that doctor a postcard from Stehekin! ?
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Sabrina Harrison <troopharrison at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everybody!
>> 
>> As if life post-40 and the rigor of a household with four children is not challenging enough, I've recently been diagnosed with "incompetent veins." Like most incompetent things, I guess they've been slacking behind the scenes because I haven't been able to tell yet. It was like a medical bait and switch. I went in for one issue, and they discovered that instead. 
>> 
>> My doctor, (whose veins are extremely competent) would like me to "take it easy" and "not stress the system."  He would also like me to wear compression socks 100% of the time, or as close to it as I can stand. He is talking about mindfulness to the level that, should I decide to go on a 3 hour roadtrip, I would bring my compression socks. I didn't have the heart to tell him I have aspirations of through hiking the PCT in 10 years, along with some LASH's as I wait.
>> 
>> I told you this, partly to amuse myself, perhaps to amuse you a little bit, and also to ask for people to chime in if they have any advice on distance hiking with incompetent veins.
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>> Hacker
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From sam at samwhited.com  Wed Oct 19 11:44:51 2016
From: sam at samwhited.com (Sam Whited)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:44:51 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Austin Long Distance Hiking group meet-up at downtown
 REI on 10/19
In-Reply-To: <5a99333a-a8f3-4b6f-c4cc-3e068910d285@1fifoto.com>
References: <5a99333a-a8f3-4b6f-c4cc-3e068910d285@1fifoto.com>
Message-ID: <CAHbk4RLXuae9ncDUAV1TMsz0ZFEeqCp++DKu=bncEJB2D7U5Mg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Brian Watt <bwatt at 1fifoto.com> wrote:
> Final reminder that the Austin Long Distance Hiking FB Group is meeting
> tomorrow (Wednesday 10/19) at the Downtown REI, 601 N Lamar Blvd, Austin TX
> from 6 to 9 PM. Come ask questions. Come tell about your thru-hiking
> adventure. Sign-up here: https://www.facebook.com/events/701504856663417/
> <https://www.facebook.com/events/701504856663417/?ref=4&action_history=null&source=4>

Oh no! I was going to come to this, but I forgot it was debate night
and I was going to watch it with some friends. Maybe next time; keep
posting here or over on at-l (for those of us who don't have a
Facebook)!

?Sam



-- 
Sam Whited
pub 4096R/54083AE104EA7AD3

From HStroh at sjmslaw.com  Wed Oct 19 15:01:44 2016
From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:01:44 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] SB Section hike-Mckenzie Pass to Hwy 140 Fish Lake
Message-ID: <3515ce328a434529a028e8703f209d87@MALAWI.SJLM.local>

Need a diversion from politics so am planning my 2017 southbound section hike: McKenzie Pass (1981.3) to Fish Lake (1770.9).

I can go whenever-opinions as to the best time of year?

I will be using the train to get to the trailhead and return home. I can get off at the Amtrak Station in Chemult or Eugene and will hitch or look for other transportation to McKenzie. I assume Eugene will provide more options-right? Finally, is a hitch from the trailhead at Hwy 140 to Klamath Falls feasible, i.e. sufficient traffic to catch a lift?

Thanks.

Herb

From dennis.phelan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 17:41:02 2016
From: dennis.phelan at gmail.com (Dennis Phelan)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 15:41:02 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] SB Section hike-Mckenzie Pass to Hwy 140 Fish Lake
In-Reply-To: <3515ce328a434529a028e8703f209d87@MALAWI.SJLM.local>
References: <3515ce328a434529a028e8703f209d87@MALAWI.SJLM.local>
Message-ID: <CAE1UnwShdGOxdmKkzS14sKj7bDa2EXRkv7nzDcVWmOR3_uUa-A@mail.gmail.com>

Mckenzie Pass is just outside of the town of Sisters which is close to
Bend,  I would go to Bend.  I would go in the beginning of August; less
mosquitos.   I am not sure about the amount of traffic on hwy 140, but it
is the only way to get to Fish Lake so would expect a fair amount of
traffic, however Fish lake is not a huge resort, so there will not be a ton
of traffic. You might consider getting a room at Fish lake and they might
be able to help you get a ride to a major town.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Herb Stroh <HStroh at sjmslaw.com> wrote:

> Need a diversion from politics so am planning my 2017 southbound section
> hike: McKenzie Pass (1981.3) to Fish Lake (1770.9).
>
> I can go whenever-opinions as to the best time of year?
>
> I will be using the train to get to the trailhead and return home. I can
> get off at the Amtrak Station in Chemult or Eugene and will hitch or look
> for other transportation to McKenzie. I assume Eugene will provide more
> options-right? Finally, is a hitch from the trailhead at Hwy 140 to Klamath
> Falls feasible, i.e. sufficient traffic to catch a lift?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Herb
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From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 18:14:21 2016
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:14:21 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] SB Section hike-Mckenzie Pass to Hwy 140 Fish Lake
In-Reply-To: <CAE1UnwShdGOxdmKkzS14sKj7bDa2EXRkv7nzDcVWmOR3_uUa-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3515ce328a434529a028e8703f209d87@MALAWI.SJLM.local>
 <CAE1UnwShdGOxdmKkzS14sKj7bDa2EXRkv7nzDcVWmOR3_uUa-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e58cdb5e-7d0b-3be4-641a-ebd1146a2f8e@gmail.com>

You can get off the train in Eugene, and take the bus to Sisters

http://pacificcrestbuslines.com/eugene-to-bend/

You can hitch the 40 or so miles from Fish Lake or Lake of the Woods 
into Klamath Falls on Hwy 140 - there's a decent amount of traffic.

Mosquitos are terrible until the first hard freeze, and can be miserable 
through August if it's a high snow year.  AFter Labor Day you'll miss 
the PCT hiker herd and families with kids will be back in school.

Jeff...

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Herb Stroh <HStroh at sjmslaw.com> wrote:

Need a diversion from politics so am planning my 2017 southbound section 
hike: McKenzie Pass (1981.3) to Fish Lake (1770.9).

I can go whenever-opinions as to the best time of year? I will be using 
the train to get to the trailhead and return home. I can get off at the 
Amtrak Station in Chemult or Eugene and will hitch or look for other 
transportation to McKenzie. I assume Eugene will provide more 
options-right?

Finally, is a hitch from the trailhead at Hwy 140 to Klamath Falls 
feasible, i.e. sufficient traffic to catch a lift? Thanks. Herb _


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From rgraybill44 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 23:26:59 2016
From: rgraybill44 at gmail.com (Ron Graybill)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 21:26:59 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] McDonalds at Cajon Jct.
Message-ID: <CAEnMNWUJS29oMw4o4A-ieyh4dNPGiLmspJtt5xrs9xn8+XP_kA@mail.gmail.com>

Stopped by the McDonalds at Cajon Junction on Interstate 15 (PCT Mile 342).
It was damaged in the Blue Cut Fire, Aug. 16-23, 2016, but the renovation
and restoration is in full swing and the foreman indicated the plan is to
have it opened again by mid-November, certainly by Thanksgiving.
Ron "Slo-Charger" Graybill

From bwatt at 1fifoto.com  Thu Oct 20 11:14:12 2016
From: bwatt at 1fifoto.com (Brian Watt)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 11:14:12 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Austin Long Distance Hiking group meet-up at downtown REI
 on 10/19
Message-ID: <8aa586f7-d44c-ecdd-2951-f885adcc2eee@1fifoto.com>

It was an amazing Austin Long Distance Hiking meeting yesterday night at 
the downtown REI in Austin TX.

We had Paul, Madeline, Tyler, Elizabeth, Nikki and Pete who all hiked 
the Pacific Crest Trail just last year - that's over 12,000 miles. 
Amazing, just amazing! Also Jack was there, who's already completed the 
AT in 2014, and is now planning on a 2017 PCT thru-hike. It was great 
that he was able to ask questions and get current info from those who 
had just finished. I even chatted briefly about my failed CDT thru-hike 
attempt (only 500 miles). Some jokes, some chuckles, some experiences, 
some frights, some horror stories were shared. It was a good night, a 
very good night.

I'll be setting up another meet-up in January as more people commit and 
make plans and want to chat about what it's really like to hike a long 
trail.

Bri/Tartan PCT 2014


From ned at mountaineducation.org  Thu Oct 20 13:00:16 2016
From: ned at mountaineducation.org (ned at mountaineducation.org)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 11:00:16 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Tent Design for Happy Hikes (part 2)
Message-ID: <24a601d22afb$d0eee240$72cca6c0$@mountaineducation.org>

Tent Design for Happy Hikes...(part 2)

 

[First, the classic disclosure: We are not tent designers nor are we tent
manufacturers in any way. What follows are just our observations and
opinions on tent design, function, and performance after watching and using
many in the field over our 34 as a wilderness school. We solely hope this
helps you make an educated decision when you come to purchasing a tent.]

 

Now, a little detail about the 4 things mentioned before that you might want
a tent to provide for you. The first was protection from the outside world,
or at least what you anticipate will be in the environment outside your
tent...

 

The Outside World:

If a tent is an enclosed, portable shelter from the elements, what do you
think those elements will be on your next trip? Find out!

- Research the comments from others who've been there at the same time of
year (better yet, from those who work there every year!) to read what they
had to deal with.

- Go there on a short trip to experience the area for yourself. (However,
realize that what you read from someone else's singular experience there or
find out for yourself may not be what confronts you next time. Such is
mountain weather! That's why we say, "Plan for the worst and hope for the
best.")

Know in advance what you'll likely be hiking into. Select a tent design that
can handle it.

 

Next, know yourself!

- If you love to sleep, having a warm, dry, secure shelter from the raging
storm outside is paramount to your happiness. Since mountain storms can
develop unexpectedly, you need a shelter that can protect you from nasty
weather!

- If you don't mind sleeping out in the open, exposed to the elements and
animals, and are willing to have a wet and cold night once in a while, then
maybe a simple tarp will do for you.

 

Know in advance what you want a tent to provide for you. How will it handle:

- Weather: Do you expect to deal with bad wind, rain, hail, snow, blowing
sand, thunder and lightning, hot sun, or ice? How well your tent functions
in these situations and conditions may dictate which tent to buy! The
designs that work will be talked about below. If you opt for a tarp because
you don't mind risking getting wet and cold occasionally, make sure you'll
have the likelihood to stay warm during the event and to dry out after.

- Bugs & Animals: As you will find out, it is the little pests (mice, ground
squirrels, chipmunks, ants, scorpions, mosquitoes, crickets, etc.) that get
into everything, including your tent. So, if getting a good night's sleep
requires these be kept at bay, you'll want a tent that can be zipped tight
with a tub floor and raised doors (zipper that is off the ground). Remember
to close the door behind you! Bears? If you keep your food (and the smell of
it) in a bear canister far from your tent, you needn't worry. Experience
will dictate, also.

- Campsites: The location of and activities within your campsite may
influence your choice of tent design, too!

1. If your campsites will be above timberline and exposed to wind-driven
rain, hail, or snow, you will relish a strong, multi-pole design. If you
will be in a lot of hot sun, you might want a light color or mostly netting
on walls and roof to keep you cooler.

2. If you're travelling on open rock, sand, or snow with few nice areas of
dirt for stake placement, you might want a free-standing design that can be
used with "deadman" anchors.

3. If you love spending your evenings staring into a campfire near your
tent, you might want to check which way the sparks are drifting, and if
toward your tent, hope that it is flame retardant!

4. If you plan on hiking a very popular trail where people may be camping
near you (or you are in a big group of people hiking together already), you
might want a design that prevents others from seeing into your tent.

5. If your campsites will be small in size, you might want a narrow tent
design (especially if you are climbing and sleeping on ledges!).

 

Coming next will be "Portability." Your shelter needs to be small enough to
fit in or on your pack and light enough to keep your load manageable.

(c) 2016 Mountain Education, Inc.

 

 

Ned Tibbits, Director

Mountain Education, Inc.

ned at mountaineducation.org <mailto:ned at mountaineducation.org>  

 


From moodyjj at comcast.net  Thu Oct 20 16:32:19 2016
From: moodyjj at comcast.net (Jim & Jane Moody)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 21:32:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] reactivating emails
In-Reply-To: <2135612749.24680989.1476999030318.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1898405456.24682155.1476999139170.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Greetings List, 
Several months ago I was dropped from the list, apparently due to excessive bouncebacks. I would like to reactivate on the list, but I don't know how to reset or adjust the settings to deal with this problem. Any suggestions? Ask Brick for advice? 

Thanks in advance. 

Mango 


From brick at brickrobbins.com  Thu Oct 20 18:28:54 2016
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:28:54 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] reactivating emails
In-Reply-To: <1898405456.24682155.1476999139170.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <2135612749.24680989.1476999030318.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
 <1898405456.24682155.1476999139170.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CALV1NzkMvQ+s9qAUc=gKn+miRiHt_4bnWreEEMBY-GHH+ER5QA@mail.gmail.com>

you seem to be on the list

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net> wrote:
> Greetings List,
> Several months ago I was dropped from the list, apparently due to excessive bouncebacks. I would like to reactivate on the list, but I don't know how to reset or adjust the settings to deal with this problem. Any suggestions? Ask Brick for advice?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mango
>
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From brick at brickrobbins.com  Thu Oct 20 19:17:38 2016
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 17:17:38 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] reactivating emails
In-Reply-To: <1409298752.24798097.1477007987240.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <2135612749.24680989.1476999030318.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
 <1898405456.24682155.1476999139170.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
 <CALV1NzkMvQ+s9qAUc=gKn+miRiHt_4bnWreEEMBY-GHH+ER5QA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1409298752.24798097.1477007987240.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CALV1Nzm=G5beGCkKojhYxAj3m-a0=svJZg8qq66v-_Y_+SpnxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dunno.

If you get this, you are receiving list emails, because I set this to
the list, not your personal address

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net> wrote:
> Brick,
> Thanks for the response.  If I'm on the list, why aren't I receiving any
> emails?  Do I need to change some spam filter setting? I seem to remember
> that a couple of years ago several list members with Comcast as ISP had
> similar problems.
>
> mango
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Brick Robbins" <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> To: "Jim & Jane Moody" <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Cc: "PCT" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 7:28:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] reactivating emails
>
>
> you seem to be on the list
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> Greetings List,
>> Several months ago I was dropped from the list, apparently due to
>> excessive bouncebacks. I would like to reactivate on the list, but I don't
>> know how to reset or adjust the settings to deal with this problem. Any
>> suggestions? Ask Brick for advice?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Mango
>>
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From troopharrison at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 23:03:01 2016
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 23:03:01 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Austin Long Distance Hiking group meet-up at downtown
 REI on 10/19
In-Reply-To: <8aa586f7-d44c-ecdd-2951-f885adcc2eee@1fifoto.com>
References: <8aa586f7-d44c-ecdd-2951-f885adcc2eee@1fifoto.com>
Message-ID: <73AE4FF0-346D-4A6B-A9A9-354CCBEED143@gmail.com>

RAD!! I'm there

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Brian Watt <bwatt at 1fifoto.com> wrote:
> 
> It was an amazing Austin Long Distance Hiking meeting yesterday night at the downtown REI in Austin TX.
> 
> We had Paul, Madeline, Tyler, Elizabeth, Nikki and Pete who all hiked the Pacific Crest Trail just last year - that's over 12,000 miles. Amazing, just amazing! Also Jack was there, who's already completed the AT in 2014, and is now planning on a 2017 PCT thru-hike. It was great that he was able to ask questions and get current info from those who had just finished. I even chatted briefly about my failed CDT thru-hike attempt (only 500 miles). Some jokes, some chuckles, some experiences, some frights, some horror stories were shared. It was a good night, a very good night.
> 
> I'll be setting up another meet-up in January as more people commit and make plans and want to chat about what it's really like to hike a long trail.
> 
> Bri/Tartan PCT 2014
> 
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From scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 17:17:13 2016
From: scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com (Scott Diamond)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 15:17:13 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Signs Desktop Background
Message-ID: <CAH8m_as-XKPa+eHvQvm7ZJgpjG-KY8vQA0UZ+03Lat3LW19PZw@mail.gmail.com>

As I hiked the PCT this year, I took shots of some of the various trail
signs. For fun I put together a photo collage and thought I might use it as
my windows background. Honestly, it did not work out quite as well as I had
hoped but anyway I I thought I'd share the image with the list:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4tDj1wIpNU5a0h3Y1dNajl3Vms

Thanks, Scott

From lucecruz13 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 21:46:07 2016
From: lucecruz13 at gmail.com (Luce Cruz)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 20:46:07 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Signs Desktop Background
In-Reply-To: <CAH8m_as-XKPa+eHvQvm7ZJgpjG-KY8vQA0UZ+03Lat3LW19PZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH8m_as-XKPa+eHvQvm7ZJgpjG-KY8vQA0UZ+03Lat3LW19PZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdO7Fx2XG49QSxYczSUNboNzmVUMxB3j8zsfanVxa0tbRrb0A@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know why you think it didn't work out very well. It's now part of
the desktop image rotation over here. I like it very much and thank you for
sharing that with us.

-- 
Luce Cruz

From hatty.mckay at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 19:38:01 2016
From: hatty.mckay at gmail.com (Hatty McKay)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 01:38:01 +0100
Subject: [pct-l] HIKING PARTNER
Message-ID: <6D2D3575-FC72-4778-B9C9-049593C8277A@gmail.com>

Hi there!
I am an 18 year novice hiker who is planning to attempt to thru hike the PCT starting in mid - late march 2017,  and I would love start the hike with someone.
My pace is around 15-18 miles per day (building it up as I go along).
If there?s anyone like me or in a similar position to me please let me know, send me an email for more info!! 
Hatty 

From troopharrison at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 20:31:05 2016
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 20:31:05 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] HIKING PARTNER
In-Reply-To: <6D2D3575-FC72-4778-B9C9-049593C8277A@gmail.com>
References: <6D2D3575-FC72-4778-B9C9-049593C8277A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEFF01A4-D7A1-4D76-AA7D-F2349BC501EF@gmail.com>

Hey Hatty! Are you on the PCT class of 2017 Facebook page? I just recently joined it and I really like it! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Hatty McKay <hatty.mckay at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi there!
> I am an 18 year novice hiker who is planning to attempt to thru hike the PCT starting in mid - late march 2017,  and I would love start the hike with someone.
> My pace is around 15-18 miles per day (building it up as I go along).
> If there?s anyone like me or in a similar position to me please let me know, send me an email for more info!! 
> Hatty 
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From troopharrison at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 20:45:31 2016
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 20:45:31 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] HIKING PARTNER
In-Reply-To: <CANw+0US1usYbJkBQEUEqZiYGab6Qx73CdFUP7OZ6qDG=+STFTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D2D3575-FC72-4778-B9C9-049593C8277A@gmail.com>
 <EEFF01A4-D7A1-4D76-AA7D-F2349BC501EF@gmail.com>
 <CANw+0US1usYbJkBQEUEqZiYGab6Qx73CdFUP7OZ6qDG=+STFTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F1AF1C4-FEA3-4329-802E-D4B5BFD0F71A@gmail.com>

Sorry about that!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/243855379127788/

 from my iPhone



Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 25, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Matt Vasilogambros <matt.vasilogambros at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello! What's the official link to that Facebook page?
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Sabrina Harrison <troopharrison at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Hatty! Are you on the PCT class of 2017 Facebook page? I just recently joined it and I really like it!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Oct 25, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Hatty McKay <hatty.mckay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi there!
>> > I am an 18 year novice hiker who is planning to attempt to thru hike the PCT starting in mid - late march 2017,  and I would love start the hike with someone.
>> > My pace is around 15-18 miles per day (building it up as I go along).
>> > If there?s anyone like me or in a similar position to me please let me know, send me an email for more info!!
>> > Hatty
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Pct-L mailing list
>> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
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>> >
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From matt.vasilogambros at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 20:35:07 2016
From: matt.vasilogambros at gmail.com (Matt Vasilogambros)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 21:35:07 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] HIKING PARTNER
In-Reply-To: <EEFF01A4-D7A1-4D76-AA7D-F2349BC501EF@gmail.com>
References: <6D2D3575-FC72-4778-B9C9-049593C8277A@gmail.com>
 <EEFF01A4-D7A1-4D76-AA7D-F2349BC501EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANw+0US1usYbJkBQEUEqZiYGab6Qx73CdFUP7OZ6qDG=+STFTg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello! What's the official link to that Facebook page?

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Sabrina Harrison <troopharrison at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Hatty! Are you on the PCT class of 2017 Facebook page? I just recently
> joined it and I really like it!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 25, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Hatty McKay <hatty.mckay at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there!
> > I am an 18 year novice hiker who is planning to attempt to thru hike the
> PCT starting in mid - late march 2017,  and I would love start the hike
> with someone.
> > My pace is around 15-18 miles per day (building it up as I go along).
> > If there?s anyone like me or in a similar position to me please let me
> know, send me an email for more info!!
> > Hatty
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
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> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
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From katyshaw at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 12:20:09 2016
From: katyshaw at gmail.com (Katy Shaw)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 10:20:09 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] HIKING PARTNER
In-Reply-To: <0F1AF1C4-FEA3-4329-802E-D4B5BFD0F71A@gmail.com>
References: <6D2D3575-FC72-4778-B9C9-049593C8277A@gmail.com>
 <EEFF01A4-D7A1-4D76-AA7D-F2349BC501EF@gmail.com>
 <CANw+0US1usYbJkBQEUEqZiYGab6Qx73CdFUP7OZ6qDG=+STFTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <0F1AF1C4-FEA3-4329-802E-D4B5BFD0F71A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP=VGDQWChO=a2fLRSzUV3OtH-ONHTgpTf-1rRDA+QrmC507mQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hatty

On the PCT 2017 Facebook Page, there is a roster where you can add your
name and also an option to indicate if you are looking for a hiking
partner. :)

-Katy

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Sabrina Harrison <troopharrison at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sorry about that!
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/243855379127788/
>
>  from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Oct 25, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Matt Vasilogambros <
> matt.vasilogambros at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello! What's the official link to that Facebook page?
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Sabrina Harrison <
> troopharrison at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hey Hatty! Are you on the PCT class of 2017 Facebook page? I just
> recently joined it and I really like it!
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Oct 25, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Hatty McKay <hatty.mckay at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi there!
> >> > I am an 18 year novice hiker who is planning to attempt to thru hike
> the PCT starting in mid - late march 2017,  and I would love start the hike
> with someone.
> >> > My pace is around 15-18 miles per day (building it up as I go along).
> >> > If there?s anyone like me or in a similar position to me please let
> me know, send me an email for more info!!
> >> > Hatty
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Pct-L mailing list
> >> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >> > To unsubscribe, or change options visit:
> >> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >> >
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> >> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
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From sbryce at scottbryce.com  Wed Oct 26 12:58:10 2016
From: sbryce at scottbryce.com (Scott Bryce)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:58:10 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] HIKING PARTNER
In-Reply-To: <6D2D3575-FC72-4778-B9C9-049593C8277A@gmail.com>
References: <6D2D3575-FC72-4778-B9C9-049593C8277A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1032eff6-f63f-6cc5-1688-de0bd0f58cec@scottbryce.com>

On 10/25/2016 6:38 PM, Hatty McKay wrote:
> I am an 18 year novice hiker who is planning to attempt to thru hike
> the PCT starting in mid - late march 2017,  and I would love start
> the hike with someone.

There will be a few dozen people starting within a day or two of you.
You will wind up meeting them on the trail. After a few days you are
likely to meet someone whose hiking style and pace match yours and you
can develop whatever style of partnership works for you.


From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 26 13:39:58 2016
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:39:58 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] HIKING PARTNER
In-Reply-To: <6D2D3575-FC72-4778-B9C9-049593C8277A@gmail.com>
References: <6D2D3575-FC72-4778-B9C9-049593C8277A@gmail.com>
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Hi Hatty
Small suggestion. Mentally leave yourself open to changing partners even though you may start with someone. As you walk,you will learn how you need to hike. It's part of what a trail can give to you---learning what is really right for you in your life. 
If the numbers are still the same,there will be 25 people out there at exactly the same time. Soon there will be many more--catching up. 
Have a great hike
Marmot

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> On Oct 25, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Hatty McKay <hatty.mckay at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi there!
> I am an 18 year novice hiker who is planning to attempt to thru hike the PCT starting in mid - late march 2017,  and I would love start the hike with someone.
> My pace is around 15-18 miles per day (building it up as I go along).
> If there?s anyone like me or in a similar position to me please let me know, send me an email for more info!! 
> Hatty 
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From baidarker at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 07:46:14 2016
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 05:46:14 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] HIKING PARTNER
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Hey Hatty,

Ditto to all that's been said so far.  I started the PCT with a few people
I met on this forum years ago.  Add fb to the mix nowadays and you'll
probably have folks to meet up with and that's nice for the start.  Within
the first week, however, it became clear that we all had very different
paces, and the little confederacy slowly broke up, in a very natural way,
and I eventually met up with a group who hiked at my pace, and who had
things in common and I hiked most of the trail with them.

Years later I'm still dear friends with all of them.  A young gal from
Seattle, her boyfriend from Long Island, a Swiss champion skier and
mountaineer, a mountain man from the mountains of Tennessee and me, an old
hippie from San Francisco.  You couldn't get anything more disparate, but
you couldn't find better hiking partners for a very snowy year in the
Sierra.  That diversity of compadres is half of what makes a long trail so
much fun.

Meanwhile, back at home, I'd recommend trying to meet other long distance
hikers, or hikers to be, in your area over the winter.  And you can use
this forum and fb to do a shout out for training partners who may live
locally.  In Northern California, we've got a big group of past thru hikers
and up and coming hikers, who train regularly over the winter.  Each year
we've been fielding folks for the PCT, CDT, and the AT, and regularly have
folks who meet on training hikes and then go on to start together and some
who have finished together.  Too much fun!  Hiking with those who have done
it already is absolutely invaluable for hearing first hand the pros and
cons of gear and strategy.  And it is a great introduction to the tribe of
wonderful long distance hikers you're about to join.

Have a marvelous hike!

Shroomer

On Oct 25, 2016 8:38 PM, "Hatty McKay" <hatty.mckay at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi there!
> I am an 18 year novice hiker who is planning to attempt to thru hike the
> PCT starting in mid - late march 2017,  and I would love start the hike
> with someone.
> My pace is around 15-18 miles per day (building it up as I go along).
> If there?s anyone like me or in a similar position to me please let me
> know, send me an email for more info!!
> Hatty
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From luckymanhikes at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 20:44:30 2016
From: luckymanhikes at gmail.com (Lucky Man)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:44:30 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Ziggy and the Bear closed
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I'm on a hike on the AT now (and there's nothing like a hike or rather
rock-climbing crash course on the AT to make you appreciate those beautiful
switchbacks on the PCT) and heard from another hiker that Ziggy and the
Bear have closed. I don't believe I've seen this on the pct-l or elsewhere
but checked Z&B's website, which states that they have permanently closed.

Does anyone know details? After stopping there this spring on a PCT hike I
certainly can understand why. When I got there Z&B were kind and helpful
but all the hikers on the patio just sat there staring into their phones
all evening. None said a word when I said hello. Every once in a while Z or
B would step outside and try to start a - brace yourselves - conversation.
I'd reply but no one else could overcome the mesmerizing effect of his
phone screen. Then our hosts would give up and go back inside. It was sad.

From moonbeams13 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 21:46:09 2016
From: moonbeams13 at gmail.com (Cody B)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:46:09 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Ziggy and the Bear closed
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They are moving to be closer to their kids and grandkids.

On Oct 29, 2016 8:44 PM, "Lucky Man" <luckymanhikes at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm on a hike on the AT now (and there's nothing like a hike or rather
> rock-climbing crash course on the AT to make you appreciate those beautiful
> switchbacks on the PCT) and heard from another hiker that Ziggy and the
> Bear have closed. I don't believe I've seen this on the pct-l or elsewhere
> but checked Z&B's website, which states that they have permanently closed.
>
> Does anyone know details? After stopping there this spring on a PCT hike I
> certainly can understand why. When I got there Z&B were kind and helpful
> but all the hikers on the patio just sat there staring into their phones
> all evening. None said a word when I said hello. Every once in a while Z or
> B would step outside and try to start a - brace yourselves - conversation.
> I'd reply but no one else could overcome the mesmerizing effect of his
> phone screen. Then our hosts would give up and go back inside. It was sad.
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From scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 11:24:24 2016
From: scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com (Scott Diamond)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:24:24 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping bags
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It depends in part on your sleeping pad as well. I used a Therm-a-Rest Z
Lite Sol and for a sleeping bag I used two different down bags:

Mountain Hardware Speed
Nominal rating: 32F
Weight: 1lb 1oz (498 grams)

Mountain Hardware Phantom Flame 15
Nominal rating: 15F
Weight: 2lb 4 oz (1002 grams)

The lighter bag was fine for most of the PCT but I wore all my clothes
(including rain gear) a few nights in the Sierra Nevada. I switched to the
heavier bag about 1/2 way into Washington. It was extremely warm. If I were
to use one bag I think a 1.5 lb 800 fill down bag would be about right.

       -Scott



On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Phillip Porter <bowti3nation at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey guys and gals, I need some opinions on sleeping bags. Azan cold rating
> , average weight I should be looking for , and Company info for Quality
> reasons.
> Thanks in advance :-)
>

From soggy2pair at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 23:38:26 2016
From: soggy2pair at yahoo.com (CJ & Cristy Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 04:38:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Info/Status on possible missing hiker: Sherpa, Kris Fowler
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I saw on a Facebook post mention of Sherpa Kris Fowler not being heard of since October 12th.
The family is working with the Yakima County Sheriffs office and some other volunteers and hikers.I took a quick search at PCT-L Archives and didn't see any commentary around this.
The post says:"Last seen in Packwood and Matches Washing on the 12th. ?Heading to the Snoqualmie Pass. There is now a missing persons report out."
https://www.facebook.com/sally.g.fowler/posts/10207667412188790


.cj