[pct-l] Troublemakers

Sun Jan 10 12:16:55 CST 2016

Do you all think it is because of the  trails publicity (Wild)?

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> On Jan 10, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Linda Sheehan <lwshee at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Andrea, that is a very telling point. Im sorry about this print size;
> can't seem to get rid of it now...
> However, one of the issues that has come up is the techno advances on the
> trail. Am I just old fashioned (well old anyway) or am I seeing more 'me
> against the trail' or 'I'm cool and I'm special because I can do all these
> miles' behavior. I've certainly noticed in the blogs and selfies (that word
> tells you something) that the miles per day and the *crowd* behavior is the
> only reason a lot of people do the trail. The experience is a reflection of
> them, not our small part of the wonderful, awesome and respectful
> experience of the wilderness. Anyway, I'll get off my high horse. This kind
> of behavior hasn't always been confined to the outdoors. I guess the
> Continental Divide trail will have to be solace to the younger ones to find
> more peace and solitude than the PCT has to offer now.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Andrea Dinsmore <
> andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com> wrote:
> 
>> I see a comparison between NOBOs and SOBOs.   SOBOs aren't into the
>> drinking, smoking, bad attitudes or smart ass behavior. They seem to be
>> more into the trail and their performance and planning.  Partying is the
>> furthest thought of their hike. Maybe part of this difference is that they
>> start a few at a time and have to immediately get serious about their
>> survival. This has been the way the SOBOs have been for 14 years.  The
>> NOBOs (that drink a lot) would hit here and show up with 1-2 cases of beer
>> each were always under 30 yrs old and showed up in a group. Solo hikers
>> occasionally with 1 six pack.
>> 
>> Andrea
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Linda Sheehan <lwshee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there anything we can do about this problem at an individual hiker
>>> level? I respect the attempts by the PCT organization to try and lessen
>>> the
>>> blow on the trail. But when we see things happening what do people of this
>>> forum think we can do to try to stem the tide?
>>> I have never (being a section hiker) attended, sad to say, the party in
>>> April at Moreno. Would that be a venue to enforce the golden rule in some
>>> way?
>>> Will this issue be dealt with in any way at the San Diego get together?
>>> lover of the hills, Linda S.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> From: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.org>
>>>> To: "Roger Carpenter" <pinecone at elkpass.com>, Pct-L at backcountry.net
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:07:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Troublemakers
>>>> 
>>>> Just a quick question on this topic of "trail policing..."
>>>> 
>>>> What does the AT do about it?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As an organization, not much that I'm aware of. With many more hikers,
>>> the
>>>> number of self-centered jerks is proportionally larger than on the PCT,
>>> and
>>>> more concentrated (shorter trail, more trail towns to resupply).
>>>> 
>>>> A recent issue of the AT magazine ("AT Journeys") highlighted the
>>> problems
>>>> that hikers are creating in Baxter State Park and Mt. Katahdin
>>>> particularly. Even a thru-runner, seeking to break the time record,
>>>> blatantly violated several BSP rules for Katadhin. Apparently, it's
>>> gotten
>>>> so bad that park officials are considering closing Katadhin as the
>>> northern
>>>> terminus of the AT, which would be a real tragedy.
>>>> 
>>>> The ATC is following many of the same strategies that the PCTA is (or
>>>> maybe vice-versa) - trying to get people to spread out their start
>>> times,
>>>> esp. at the southern end; increased education about LNT and town
>>> behavior,
>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing for sure - this is a problem in the greater society, not just
>>>> the trails. Bad trail behavior is just reflecting what's happening in
>>>> society. And I don't see it being eliminated any time soon.
>>>> 
>>>> Mango
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ned Tibbits, Director
>>>> Mountain Education, Inc.
>>>> www.mountaineducation.org
>>>> ned at mountaineducation.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> maximize
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