[pct-l] Troublemakers

Sat Jan 9 22:14:34 CST 2016

They put out signs "no Hikers allowed" That's why it would be good to address this problem before it gets entrenched in the culture. No one cares if you(not you Ned)are a drunk --just throw up and piss on yourself in your tent and carry it to Canada. 
Marmot

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> On Jan 9, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ned Tibbits <ned at mountaineducation.org> wrote:
> 
> Just a quick question on this topic of "trail policing..."
> 
> What does the AT do about it?
> 
> 
> 
> Ned Tibbits, Director
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> -----Original Message----- From: Roger Carpenter
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Troublemakers
> 
> I agree totally with Marmot on each of her four do-nots on the trail.  I
> would just add that there are no PCT behavior police out there...except that
> anyone who finds a hiker acting obnoxiously can and should hold that hiker
> accountable for their actions.  If the 95% of us confront the 5% jerks, our
> message might reach a few of them.
> 
> Roger Carpenter
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of marmot
> marmot
> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: jcil000-hiker at yahoo.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Echo Chalet no longer a resupply point / troublemakers
> on the trail
> 
> Have you read Aspen's book about her recent hike of the PCT? I read it two
> months ago but couldn't talk about it until now.
> The monsters ( I won't call them hikers) who terrorized and killed a marmot
> in the Sierra are beyond any comment. Every time I think of it I feel ill.
> For those who are planning to hike the trail. Here are behaviors that I
> would have never thought would have to be addressed . 1. You do not kill or
> harm in any way ANY of the animals That includes finding it funny or
> something to be proud of,to do without a bear canister in the Sierra(you do
> harm to the Bears by teaching them that they can get food from hikers ,just
> as all of the serious hikers have been trying to teach differently). That
> also includes rattlers--I don't care how stupid and scared you are. Walk
> around them.
> 2. If you can't have a drink or two and stop ,when you get to town ,you need
> to stop drinking completely. You are screwing it up for everyone. You just
> don't remember how obnoxious you are. Drunks,stoners,immature idiots are
> just tiresome to everyone but themselves.
> 3. You don't steal from anyone--- hikers, trail Angels,towns people.
> 4. You don't "poor mouth" so that you can mooch food or stay at a hostel for
> free so that you can buy liquor or dope. I saw this over and over on my Myth
> from 2006 to 1213 and again last year when I went out again for the first
> 700 miles. Eventually those people get a reputation but it's unpleasant
> until the other hikers figure it out.
> If no one has taught you how to act around others it's time to learn. There
> have always been people on the long trails with different income levels.
> Hikers used to wash in creeks,camp out just short of town and come in to
> resupply if they could not afford to stay. On the PCT and the CDT ,the first
> time,I never had a pack that didn't have clothes drying on it.  It is one of
> thing that you learned how to do. I don't care if you are 16 or 90. You
> don't get to harm the trail. The trail includes everything  out there--trail
> tread,animals,people,towns It's time to treat this behavior just it should
> be. Call it out.
> Marmot
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 10:23 AM, "jcil000-hiker at yahoo.com"
>> <jcil000-hiker at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The post by Tim Crum doesn't surprise me.
>> The troublemakers of the world always find a way to ruin life for
> themajority of us just trying to enjoy life.
>> I live in San Francisco and observe the annual Bay To Breakers7.1 mile fun
> run each year. Its an annual event that has been goingon now for over 100
> years. Each year corporate donations (sponsors)have allowed a good amount of
> operating cash and expertise to help keepit operating. In the 1980s, the
> participant numbers were over 100,000 joggersand a hundred or so actual
> seeded runners up front.
>> About four years ago, the entire operation nearly ended as those
> corporatedonors decided they didn't want to be associated with the problems
> createdby the troublemakers including peeing in private residential
> driveways, leavingtheir beer cans along the streets, and just creating a
> drunk binge en mass. Thefamily atmosphere was poisoned as parents couldn't
> bring their little kids due tothe exhibitionists who were running around
> naked as if we all wanted to see that.
>> It was only with the promise by the City of SF and its police department
> that they wouldclean it all up that new corporate donors stepped forward to
> help. As it now is,we have only the one yucky problem of some ELDERLY NAKED
> MAN standing everymile or so. The police are confronting the drunks, seizing
> their booze, and / or haulingthem off to the drunk tank.
>> The PCT was / is a beautiful concept for everyone to enjoy. I'm not sure
> what mightbe done about the trouble makers. For every 100 hikers who simply
> wants to backpack, there is one who thinks its funny to cause trouble in any
> way possible. Eventhrough vandalism and theft. I've read more than a few
> cases where packers foundtheir gear stolen by other packers.
>> Day Early
>> 
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