From rgraybill44 at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 20:17:09 2016 From: rgraybill44 at gmail.com (Ron Graybill) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:17:09 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Need section hike partner: Miles 403-418 Message-ID: Ok, this is a bit of a long shot, due to a number of factors, but I need a hiking partner to join me on a hike (perhaps overnight, so about 7 or 8 miles each day), from the 9th crossing of Highway 2 (Angeles Crest Highway) at Mile 403 to Mile 418 at the Angeles Forest Highway. It's only 15 miles, but at age 72, 14 miles is about my daily limit, usually about 40 minutes per mile counting stops, so I'd like to be prepared to camp along the trail overnight if need be. On the other hand, if someone can only do it if we do the whole 15 miles in one day, I'm game--I'm sure I'd survive. I've got no health problems, just haven't been hiking a lot lately. As much as needing a hiking partner, I need somebody to share the logistics of getting to and from the trail. One possible way to arrange these logistics would be to have both of us drive up Highway 2 from La Canada and then take the Angeles Forest Highway on up to Mile 418 at the USDA Forest Service Mill Creek Summit fire station--where there is also a nice parking lot, and leave one car there. Then we get into the other car and drive back down to Upper Big Tujunga Canyon Road which will take us--in 9 miles--back over to Highway 2. From there we'd proceed the 7 miles up to the Chilao Campgrounds--perhaps the Little Pine campground in that group--and camp there overnight to get an early start the next morning. (That campground is open year around except, of course, when Highway 2 is closed for snow.) That campground is just 3 miles south of the 9th crossing of Highway 2 where we'd begin our hike. There is a nice parking lot right there off the adjacent Santa Clara Divide Road, where we could leave the second car. Then we make the hike, pick up the car we left up at Mile 418 and retrace our path back to Mile 403, pick up the car we left there and both go on home separately. I drove up and around all these areas today, and while there is some snow and ice on portions of the trail at the higher elevations between Mile 374 and 403, the segment between 403 and 418 appears to be free of snow. In fact, the trail descends 1000 feet between 403 and 418. We'd want to do this soon, although there is no bad weather predicted for that region for the next 15 days. I could do it leaving Ontario, CA, at noon on Wed. the 7th and not need to be back until Sunday the 11th. So that means I could also start on 8th to drive up there, leave one car, and camp overnight that Thursday night, the 8th, starting the hike on Friday the 9th. If that doesn't work, and the weather holds, I could do starting any time between Dec. 14 and Dec. 20. Also, I carry and inReach 2-way satellite communicator with me for emergencies and texting. Ron (Slo-Charger) Graybill Ontario, CA P.S. There may be any number of other ways to arrange the logistics, so feel free to suggest alterations if need be. From jalan04 at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 17:58:34 2016 From: jalan04 at gmail.com (Will M) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:58:34 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] On Trails: book by Thru Hiker Message-ID: I just read in my Goodreads Blog, that On Trails received a lot of votes in the Science and Technology segments for best book of the year. It is written by an AT Thru -Hiker I just heard about it today and wonder if anyone has read it. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27276431-on-trails Cheers, Jalan Jalan From jtpapini at icloud.com Thu Dec 8 18:30:25 2016 From: jtpapini at icloud.com (John Papini) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 19:30:25 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt Message-ID: Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I?m not sure which brand I?d like to buy. I?ve no doubt that there are plenty of quilt owners out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am extending my humble request. I?m hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out of this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not necessarily the most economical? Thank you! From melaniekclarke at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 21:37:50 2016 From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com (Melanie Clarke) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 19:37:50 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quilts get really drafty so I feel you are better off with one of the nice ultra-light down sleeping bags on the market. I'm a vegan so I need a synthetic bag where weight is a bigger issue. I can not be part of an industry that plucks the down out of alive screaming bloody geese every 6 months until they die horribly. The best ultra-light synthetic quilt I've found is Mountain Laurel, along with the Balaclava. After testing the quilt while hiking the CDT in Glacier N.P.; I ordered some extra fabric from Mountain Laurel and turned the quilt into a bag with a zipper. I put my neoair into my sleeping bag on top of the fabric. Since I sleep on top of fabric and the neoair (or pad) there is no wasted loft that I have to carry. If you want more information on how to do this, let me know. I have the 28 degree Spirit Mountain Laurel and with the Balaclava, bag (quilt + zipper and extra fabric), it's about 30 ounces. I'm 5'8" and I think I ordered the large so I could snuggle down inside. It's a very warm sleep system that works even when it's wet. I'll have to test this system with a thermometer but I think I would feel comfortable below 28 degrees. If you're interested in making the conversion, let me know and I'll send more detailed instructions. Diet Plan On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:30 PM, John Papini wrote: > Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was > wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt > brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I?m not sure which > brand I?d like to buy. I?ve no doubt that there are plenty of quilt owners > out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am > extending my humble request. I?m hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out of > this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not necessarily > the most economical? > > Thank you! > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From luckymanhikes at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 22:02:55 2016 From: luckymanhikes at gmail.com (Lucky Man) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 23:02:55 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John: Enlightened Equipment makes excellent down quilts. Yes, there's nothing like a nice toasty down quilt. I think my model is the Revelation 900-fill Downtek extra long, extra wide 20-degree model - only 24 ounces, made in America. It is lighter, less expensive, warmer and far better made than my costly but crappy Chinese-made Montbell Superspiral 20-degree bag, which weighed more than 2 pounds in extra long. The only EE sale I know of though is right after Thanksgiving. I have also heard good things about katabatic down quilts, but they seem to cost a lot more. On Thursday, December 8, 2016, John Papini > wrote: > Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was > wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt > brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I?m not sure which > brand I?d like to buy. I?ve no doubt that there are plenty of quilt owners > out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am > extending my humble request. I?m hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out of > this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not necessarily > the most economical? > > Thank you! > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pctl at marcusschwartz.com Fri Dec 9 00:57:13 2016 From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 22:57:13 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <929c6b2c-641e-278f-bd94-c34bddbac1ee@marcusschwartz.com> Hi John, I can't help you with a comparison of lots of different quilts, but I did use an Enlightened Equipment Revelation for a PCT thru-hike this year. I'd always used sleeping bags in the past (the EN32 Montbell Super Spiral Down Hugger and an older GoLite 20 degree half-zip bag, mostly). Quilts sounded like a good idea to me, so I thought it was time to switch to a quilt for my thru-hike. Mine was the 800-fill DownTek regular-length quilt, Massdrop edition (I think the Massdrop edition has a 7-denier shell rather than the standard 10-denier). I was actually quite disappointed with the Revelation, however, and often found myself wishing I'd brought one of my old mummy bags. For a number of reasons: 1. The chambers that hold the down are very large -- each one makes a "U" shape around the entire quilt. This means that the down clumps up very badly when you pack it, leaving you with huge cold spots. It's possible to shift the down around with your hands to get it evenly distributed, but you need a lot of space, a fair bit of time, and preferably some backlighting to do this. It's not practical to do on the trail. So, expect to have a lot of the down clumped up around your neck and feet, and virtually no insulation at various spots around the middle. If you spend a couple minutes beating up the quilt in your tent before you go to bed, it can help, but it won't be perfect, and I didn't find that extra chore very nice. 2. With the quilt "opened", that is, lying flat across you, lots of air escapes around your neck, leaving your shoulders cold. Some nights, I'd wake up from cold shoulders, even though my feet were uncomfortably hot. In the end, I couldn't keep warm on a cold night unless I wore my down jacket -- the extra loft would help to "plug" the hole around my neck. With the quilt "closed", that is, buttoned up underneath me, it was just like a sleeping bag, except that whenever my body shifted at night, there was a risk I'd let in lots of cold air. Which was not very pleasant when I was dead tired. 3. Using the elastic straps that hold the quilt to your sleeping pad makes the above problem much worse. I shipped the straps home. I never had trouble with rolling off my sleeping pad, so I didn't really need them any way. Though it's worth noting that I was using a Therm-a-Rest ProLite Plus Large, which was almost the size of my tent's entire floor (a Big Agnes Copper Spur UL1). I have back problems that keep me awake on most any other sleeping pad. 4. EE does not use standard EN temperature ratings. The "20 degree" rating is just their opinion. My quilt was rated 20 degrees, but I would say they exaggerated by about 10 degrees. Maybe if they meticulously shifted all the down around with the quilt laid out on a backlit glass table, they could get it to perform comparably to an EN20 sleeping bag. But that's not exactly practical on the trail. 5. Using the quilt "open", it rubs against my tent walls. Since my tent has a bathtub floor, and the sides of the bathtub floor often developed condensation, that meant the quilt absorbed water from the walls. There were a couple things I liked about it, however: 1. Despite the very thin fabric, it showed basically no wear at the end of the hike. I wasn't particularly gentle to it (e.g. I hung it out to dry on fir saplings and the like). I never washed it, and it smelled quite bad, but when I washed it after returning home, the smell was immediately gone. I just used a front-loading washing machine on Hand Wash with a bit of baby shampoo -- no special treatment was necessary. 2. My feet were very warm at night. I only needed sleeping socks north of Snoqualmie Pass. Though, this might be a side-effect of the poorly-distributed down getting caught at the bottom of the quilt. 3. It weighed about 22 ounces, if I recall, which is lighter than most thru-hike-capable mummy bags. Though, I often found myself too cold, so IMO that really just means it wasn't warm enough. Some of the above downsides apply to all quilts, of course, so I think quilts are just not for me. But the Revelation seems unusual in flaw #1, the giant down compartments, so I think it's uniquely flawed. Intellectually, quilts sounded like a good idea to me before this hike, since there's no point in paying for and carrying down that will be compressed underneath my body. But, I now think they have too many practical problems to be the best choice. I wish I'd brought my 32 degree Montbell bag for most of the hike, and the 20-degree GoLite for the colder bits. -=Town Food On 12/08/2016 08:02 PM, Lucky Man wrote: > John: > Enlightened Equipment makes excellent down quilts. Yes, there's nothing > like a nice toasty down quilt. I think my model is the Revelation 900-fill > Downtek extra long, extra wide 20-degree model - only 24 ounces, made in > America. It is lighter, less expensive, warmer and far better made than my > costly but crappy Chinese-made Montbell Superspiral 20-degree bag, which > weighed more than 2 pounds in extra long. The only EE sale I know of though > is right after Thanksgiving. > > I have also heard good things about katabatic down quilts, but they seem to > cost a lot more. > > On Thursday, December 8, 2016, John Papini > wrote: > >> Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was >> wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt >> brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I?m not sure which >> brand I?d like to buy. I?ve no doubt that there are plenty of quilt owners >> out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am >> extending my humble request. I?m hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out of >> this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not necessarily >> the most economical? >> >> Thank you! >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From dale.mcduffie at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:25:15 2016 From: dale.mcduffie at gmail.com (Dale McDuffie) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 08:25:15 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's my solution, for what its worth: I looked into quilts to alleviate the claustrophobia I get with tight fitting sleeping bags. I settled on the Western Mountaineering TerraLite: a more rectangular back that completely unzips into a quilt. While on the CDT this fall I found I would start sleeping as a quilt feeling fine, wake up needing to tuck the edges under to to avoid drafts, and sometime zipping it all the way up. I also purchased a V-shaped nylon panel (custom) that allows me more room even with the bag fully zipped. Dale On 12/8/16 4:30 PM, John Papini wrote: > Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I?m not sure which brand I?d like to buy. I?ve no doubt that there are plenty of quilt owners out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am extending my humble request. I?m hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out of this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not necessarily the most economical? > > Thank you! > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:27:11 2016 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 16:27:11 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Diet Plan I would like the info about how you did this. I don't use down either. At the moment I'm thinking about the Mountainsmith Ultralamina. I'm small (5'2") so in the past have used a child's bag. They tend to be only up to 5ft. I sleep cold and am looking for the lightest 15? bag synthetic I can find. If any one else has any ideas please let me know. On a different subject. Check out a website for Molly Schiot. She has an Instagram site that celebrates women athletes. She is the author of "Game Changers",a book about sometimes forgotten women athletes. This is especially important because in the latest PCT book ,once again, a lot of the women got left out. Especially important to me,the women of '76 were forgotten. Carolyn Burkhart(Ravensong -first woman that we know of that solo thru-hiked the trail) Jean Ella and Cynthia Stockwell thru hiked as team. Everyone loves and values the guy hikers of '77 but what about the women who did the trail the year before? In every field women disappear out of history because of decisions that an author makes. I don't want this to happen in what we do. Jean Ella and Lynn Wisehart went on to hike the CDT a couple of years later. That's in the '70s everybody!!! As someone who didn't hike it until '96 I can't even imagine how difficult that was. Jean Ella gave a wonderful slideshow at the Gathering a few years ago. Marmot Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Melanie Clarke wrote: > > Quilts get really drafty so I feel you are better off with one of the > nice ultra-light down sleeping bags on the market. I'm a vegan so I need a > synthetic bag where weight is a bigger issue. I can not be part of an > industry that plucks the down out of alive screaming bloody geese every 6 > months until they die horribly. > > The best ultra-light synthetic quilt I've found is Mountain Laurel, along > with the Balaclava. After testing the quilt while hiking the CDT in > Glacier N.P.; I ordered some extra fabric from Mountain Laurel and turned > the quilt into a bag with a zipper. I put my neoair into my sleeping bag > on top of the fabric. Since I sleep on top of fabric and the neoair (or > pad) there is no wasted loft that I have to carry. If you want more > information on how to do this, let me know. I have the 28 degree Spirit > Mountain Laurel and with the Balaclava, bag (quilt + zipper and extra > fabric), it's about 30 ounces. I'm 5'8" and I think I ordered the large so > I could snuggle down inside. It's a very warm sleep system that works even > when it's wet. I'll have to test this system with a thermometer but I > think I would feel comfortable below 28 degrees. > > If you're interested in making the conversion, let me know and I'll send > more detailed instructions. > > Diet Plan > >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:30 PM, John Papini wrote: >> >> Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was >> wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt >> brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I?m not sure which >> brand I?d like to buy. I?ve no doubt that there are plenty of quilt owners >> out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am >> extending my humble request. I?m hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out of >> this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not necessarily >> the most economical? >> >> Thank you! >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From jjolson58 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:43:09 2016 From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 08:43:09 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <534344c5-2e90-e1eb-5f45-28d0852b17f0@gmail.com> I've got about 180 nights using a quilt over the last 13 years. I made the decision to NEVER stuff the quilt into a stuff or compression sack. The result of doing this with any down product is clumping, as a previous poster described. You can break up the clumps, but it's a tedious process to do when you're tired and just want to lie down. Also, any skin oil and dirt that makes its way through the nylon (it happens) makes it harder and harder to de-clump the down. I use a Nunatak Alpinist that has 800 weight down. My quilt is just now starting to lump up, (no clumps yet) and I have to spend an extra 30 seconds fluffing. It still has about two inches of loft across the body, and a bit more in the foot box. I need to wash the quilt. While hiking, what works for me is putting the quilt into a black plastic garbage bag, the kind with a plastic drawstring. It is the last thing that goes into the pack, which is a big sack, the biggest possible. I used a Golite Gust when they made those, and now a Golite Pinnacle, which also is no longer made. Any large sack with mesh pockets works. With four days of food, the quilt takes up half the pack. With a day's worth of food, it takes up two thirds. This is just another strategy, not the "T"ruth... Jeff Laramie, WY --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From tumstead96 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:55:28 2016 From: tumstead96 at gmail.com (Tim Umstead) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 09:55:28 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: <534344c5-2e90-e1eb-5f45-28d0852b17f0@gmail.com> References: <534344c5-2e90-e1eb-5f45-28d0852b17f0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Opening note: my wife and I share one quit between the two of us. It cuts down on the overall weight and we get the added warmth of two bodies close to each other. My wife and I started out using a 20? Feathered Friends sleeping bag with a nylon coupler. The coupler turned the sleeping bag into a quit and it naturally pulled the sides in to minimize air flow. We bought it for our first PCT thru-hike 20 years ago. As we used that bag over the next 18 years and nearly 5500 miles of hiking, we had very few problems. Bags made 20 years ago are built like a rock; heavy nylon, very large zippers (that is how the coupler attached), and a lot of down. There were three things that I did not like about that bag. First was the weight, at 55.75oz (just under 3.5 pounds) it was a very heavy bag. True it was one bag for two people so you could divide the weight in half (1.75 lb per a person) and it did not look as bad, but still someone had to carry it. Second it did not pack down very much. Once that bag was put into a pack there was very little room for anything else. A lastly, we would get a bad draft at the top of the bag right between the two of us. For 18 years we coped with it, stuffing a coat between our heads. I preparation for our second PCT thru-hike, we upgraded our Feathered Friends bag and got a Z-Packs 900 Fill Power Down Twin Size Quilt ( http://www.zpacks.com/quilts/twinquilt.shtml). This quit is open on the bottom so you will be sleeping right on your pad. We got an overfilled 20? long quit with DriDown. I see they do not offer DriDown option right now. One feature of this quit I really like is the middle buttons that close off the center air gap and the separate elastic neck cinches. The quit is light at 30.75oz (just under 2 lbs) and it compresses down very nicely. We also do not stuff our quit and a stuff sack, we stuff it straight into the bottom of my wifes Gossamer Gear Gorilla backpack. We have had the down shift around in the tubes but it has not been a big problem, in fact it can be an asset. While thru-hiking the PCT last summer, in the hot areas, the down shifting to the sides allowed the quit to be comfortable on warm nights. And in the cold locations just a few shakes on the edge of the quit moved the down back to the middle. Now we have used the Z-Packs quit on over 3500 miles of hiking and I can say that I'm very pleased with its performance. The Ravens PCT 96 and 15 From melaniekclarke at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:59:47 2016 From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com (Melanie Clarke) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 09:59:47 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marmot, you gave me the best idea! I forwarded my conversion plans to Ron at Mountain Laurel to see if they are interested in manufacturing this product to save as many geese as we can from a horrible life of suffering. I'll send you the photos and instructions I sent him. Diet Plan On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:27 AM, marmot marmot wrote: > Hi Diet Plan > I would like the info about how you did this. I don't use down either. At > the moment I'm thinking about the Mountainsmith Ultralamina. I'm small > (5'2") so in the past have used a child's bag. They tend to be only up to > 5ft. I sleep cold and am looking for the lightest 15? bag synthetic I can > find. If any one else has any ideas please let me know. > On a different subject. Check out a website for Molly Schiot. She has an > Instagram site that celebrates women athletes. She is the author of "Game > Changers",a book about sometimes forgotten women athletes. This is > especially important because in the latest PCT book ,once again, a lot of > the women got left out. Especially important to me,the women of '76 were > forgotten. Carolyn Burkhart(Ravensong -first woman that we know of that > solo thru-hiked the trail) Jean Ella and Cynthia Stockwell thru hiked as > team. Everyone loves and values the guy hikers of '77 but what about the > women who did the trail the year before? In every field women disappear > out of history because of decisions that an author makes. I don't want this > to happen in what we do. Jean Ella and Lynn Wisehart went on to hike the > CDT a couple of years later. That's in the '70s everybody!!! As someone who > didn't hike it until '96 I can't even imagine how difficult that was. Jean > Ella gave a wonderful slideshow at the Gathering a few years ago. > Marmot > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Melanie Clarke > wrote: > > > > Quilts get really drafty so I feel you are better off with one of the > > nice ultra-light down sleeping bags on the market. I'm a vegan so I > need a > > synthetic bag where weight is a bigger issue. I can not be part of an > > industry that plucks the down out of alive screaming bloody geese every 6 > > months until they die horribly. > > > > The best ultra-light synthetic quilt I've found is Mountain Laurel, along > > with the Balaclava. After testing the quilt while hiking the CDT in > > Glacier N.P.; I ordered some extra fabric from Mountain Laurel and turned > > the quilt into a bag with a zipper. I put my neoair into my sleeping bag > > on top of the fabric. Since I sleep on top of fabric and the neoair (or > > pad) there is no wasted loft that I have to carry. If you want more > > information on how to do this, let me know. I have the 28 degree Spirit > > Mountain Laurel and with the Balaclava, bag (quilt + zipper and extra > > fabric), it's about 30 ounces. I'm 5'8" and I think I ordered the large > so > > I could snuggle down inside. It's a very warm sleep system that works > even > > when it's wet. I'll have to test this system with a thermometer but I > > think I would feel comfortable below 28 degrees. > > > > If you're interested in making the conversion, let me know and I'll send > > more detailed instructions. > > > > Diet Plan > > > >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:30 PM, John Papini > wrote: > >> > >> Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was > >> wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt > >> brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I?m not sure which > >> brand I?d like to buy. I?ve no doubt that there are plenty of quilt > owners > >> out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am > >> extending my humble request. I?m hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out > of > >> this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not > necessarily > >> the most economical? > >> > >> Thank you! > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pct-L mailing list > >> Pct-L at backcountry.net > >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > >> > >> List Archives: > >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From sbryce at scottbryce.com Fri Dec 9 14:09:20 2016 From: sbryce at scottbryce.com (Scott Bryce) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 13:09:20 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Kite Mosquito Patch Message-ID: Has anybody heard of this. Any idea if it will work on the PCT? http://www.kitepatch.com/kite-patch From doug.swam at outlook.com Fri Dec 9 15:34:57 2016 From: doug.swam at outlook.com (Doug Swam) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 21:34:57 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you experimented with your current bag by unzipping all the way and laying it on top like a makeshift-quilt? Zero cost method to experiment before you hint your way into a multi-hundred dollar gift. You might determine that you require some sort of method to secure it to you....or your pad....or around your neck/head. It'll already have a footbox if you do this with a mummy bag. ________________________________ From: Pct-L on behalf of John Papini Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 4:30 PM To: Pct Mailing List Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I'm not sure which brand I'd like to buy. I've no doubt that there are plenty of quilt owners out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am extending my humble request. I'm hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out of this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not necessarily the most economical... Thank you! _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l Pct-L Info Page - Backcountry.Net mailman.backcountry.net To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Pct-L Archives. Using Pct-L: To post a message to all the list members, send email to ... List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From melaniekclarke at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 16:32:35 2016 From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com (Melanie Clarke) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 14:32:35 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Excellent advice!!!! Unless you have extra money to throw around, unzip and test your existing bag as a quilt before spending lots of money. I also want to offer two more advantages of synthetic bags. They do not clump together after being compressed on a daily basis and will retain it's warmth on a long distance hike. And, synthetic bags still retain the ability to hold some warmth, even when wet. Down does have a higher warmth to weight ratio when dry and brand new, before daily compression in a pack. Many elite successful hikers recommend down and I feel they are genuinely offering the best advice to other hikers. So at the end of the day, you have to have enough compassion inside you to not want to see animals put through a life of very cruel suffering. I just want to say that synthetic is not without its advantages over down. Please choose ultra-light synthetic to end this cruel practice. In a similar fashion, Angora Wool is where they rip the hair off of screaming rabbits (google it). Many companies, Gap, Eddie Bauer, etc. now refuse to stock products with Angora Wool. We need to do the same with down. I will help anyone who wants to convert the Mountain Laurel quilt into an ultra-light bag and today, I forwarded photos and instructions to Ron over at Mountain Laurel to ask if he could actually start manufacturing these bags. San Jose seldom gets below 28 degrees but maybe on a cold night I could head up to Grant's Ranch or Mt. Hamilton to test the bag to lower temperatures. I'm pretty sure my 30 ounces of converted quilt to bag and balaclava will take me to at least 15-20 degrees. That's getting really close to what down will do for you! Diet Plan On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Doug Swam wrote: > Have you experimented with your current bag by unzipping all the way and > laying it on top like a makeshift-quilt? Zero cost method to experiment > before you hint your way into a multi-hundred dollar gift. You might > determine that you require some sort of method to secure it to you....or > your pad....or around your neck/head. It'll already have a footbox if you > do this with a mummy bag. > > > ________________________________ > From: Pct-L on behalf of John Papini < > jtpapini at icloud.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 4:30 PM > To: Pct Mailing List > Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt > > Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was > wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt > brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I'm not sure which > brand I'd like to buy. I've no doubt that there are plenty of quilt owners > out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am > extending my humble request. I'm hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out of > this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not necessarily > the most economical... > > Thank you! > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > Pct-L Info Page - Backcountry.Net mailman/listinfo/pct-l> > mailman.backcountry.net > To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Pct-L > Archives. Using Pct-L: To post a message to all the list members, send > email to ... > > > > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From pctl at oakapple.net Fri Dec 9 17:48:51 2016 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 15:48:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [pct-l] a few resources for day/section hikers Message-ID: <201612092348.uB9NmpMT026600@server-f.oakapple.net> I've started writing up some information for persons who would like to dayhike as much of the PCT as possible and backpack the rest in the shortest sessions possible. I welcome feedback about errors, omissions, and better ideas. I have drafted the backpack suggestions for Oregon and Washington and will start working on California soon. http://pcnst.oakapple.net Home page. http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/resources.html Resources for piecewise hiking. http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/updates.html Updates to the dayhike information in the Semb books. http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/backpacks.html Suggestions for backpacking the PCNST where necessary. http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/alternatives.html Alternatives to through hikes. From hello at nicholasnicholas.com Fri Dec 9 16:37:12 2016 From: hello at nicholasnicholas.com (Nicholas Roberts) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 22:37:12 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happy to see some animal activism on in this thread. :-) On Fri, Dec 9, 2016, 14:32 Melanie Clarke wrote: > Excellent advice!!!! Unless you have extra money to throw around, unzip > and test your existing bag as a quilt before spending lots of money. > > I also want to offer two more advantages of synthetic bags. They do not > clump together after being compressed on a daily basis and will retain it's > warmth on a long distance hike. And, synthetic bags still retain the > ability to hold some warmth, even when wet. Down does have a higher warmth > to weight ratio when dry and brand new, before daily compression in a > pack. Many elite successful hikers recommend down and I feel they are > genuinely offering the best advice to other hikers. So at the end of the > day, you have to have enough compassion inside you to not want to see > animals put through a life of very cruel suffering. I just want to say > that synthetic is not without its advantages over down. > > Please choose ultra-light synthetic to end this cruel practice. In a > similar fashion, Angora Wool is where they rip the hair off of screaming > rabbits (google it). Many companies, Gap, Eddie Bauer, etc. now refuse to > stock products with Angora Wool. We need to do the same with down. I will > help anyone who wants to convert the Mountain Laurel quilt into an > ultra-light bag and today, I forwarded photos and instructions to Ron over > at Mountain Laurel to ask if he could actually start manufacturing these > bags. > > San Jose seldom gets below 28 degrees but maybe on a cold night I could > head up to Grant's Ranch or Mt. Hamilton to test the bag to lower > temperatures. I'm pretty sure my 30 ounces of converted quilt to bag and > balaclava will take me to at least 15-20 degrees. That's getting really > close to what down will do for you! > > Diet Plan > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Doug Swam wrote: > > > Have you experimented with your current bag by unzipping all the way and > > laying it on top like a makeshift-quilt? Zero cost method to experiment > > before you hint your way into a multi-hundred dollar gift. You might > > determine that you require some sort of method to secure it to you....or > > your pad....or around your neck/head. It'll already have a footbox if you > > do this with a mummy bag. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Pct-L on behalf of John Papini < > > jtpapini at icloud.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 4:30 PM > > To: Pct Mailing List > > Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt > > > > Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was > > wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt > > brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I'm not sure which > > brand I'd like to buy. I've no doubt that there are plenty of quilt > owners > > out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am > > extending my humble request. I'm hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out > of > > this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not necessarily > > the most economical... > > > > Thank you! > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > Pct-L Info Page - Backcountry.Net > mailman/listinfo/pct-l> > > mailman.backcountry.net > > To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Pct-L > > Archives. Using Pct-L: To post a message to all the list members, send > > email to ... > > > > > > > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From troopharrison at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 22:05:12 2016 From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 22:05:12 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] a few resources for day/section hikers In-Reply-To: <201612092348.uB9NmpMT026600@server-f.oakapple.net> References: <201612092348.uB9NmpMT026600@server-f.oakapple.net> Message-ID: <61B269B0-69B8-444D-A60C-04D57FA06058@gmail.com> Thank you so much for this! I'm saving it for future reference. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 9, 2016, at 5:48 PM, David Hough reading PCT-L wrote: > > > I've started writing up some information for persons who would like > to dayhike as much of the PCT as possible and backpack the rest in the > shortest sessions possible. > > I welcome feedback about errors, omissions, and better ideas. > I have drafted the backpack suggestions for Oregon and Washington > and will start working on California soon. > > http://pcnst.oakapple.net > Home page. > > http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/resources.html > Resources for piecewise hiking. > > http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/updates.html > Updates to the dayhike information in the Semb books. > > http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/backpacks.html > Suggestions for backpacking the PCNST where necessary. > > http://pcnst.oakapple.net/bits/alternatives.html > Alternatives to through hikes. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From sebastian.opalko at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 21:39:06 2016 From: sebastian.opalko at gmail.com (sebastian.opalko at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 22:39:06 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt Message-ID: Agree ------ Original message------From: Nicholas RobertsDate: Fri, Dec 9, 2016 10:09 PMTo: Melanie Clarke;Doug Swam;Cc: Pct Mailing List;Subject:Re: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt Happy to see some animal activism on in this thread. :-)On Fri, Dec 9, 2016, 14:32 Melanie Clarke wrote:> Excellent advice!!!! Unless you have extra money to throw around, unzip> and test your existing bag as a quilt before spending lots of money.>> I also want to offer two more advantages of synthetic bags. They do not> clump together after being compressed on a daily basis and will retain it's> warmth on a long distance hike. And, synthetic bags still retain the> ability to hold some warmth, even when wet. Down does have a higher warmth> to weight ratio when dry and brand new, before daily compression in a> pack. Many elite successful hikers recommend down and I feel they are> genuinely offering the best advice to other hikers. So at the end of the> day, you have to have enough compassion inside you to not want to see> animals put through a life of very cruel suffering. I just want to say> that synthetic is not without its advantages over down.>> Please choose ultra-light synthetic to end this cruel practice. In a> similar fashion, Angora Wool is where they rip the hair off of screaming> rabbits (google it). Many companies, Gap, Eddie Bauer, etc. now refuse to> stock products with Angora Wool. We need to do the same with down. I will> help anyone who wants to convert the Mountain Laurel quilt into an> ultra-light bag and today, I forwarded photos and instructions to Ron over> at Mountain Laurel to ask if he could actually start manufacturing these> bags.>> San Jose seldom gets below 28 degrees but maybe on a cold night I could> head up to Grant's Ranch or Mt. Hamilton to test the bag to lower> temperatures. I'm pretty sure my 30 ounces of converted quilt to bag and> balaclava will take me to at least 15-20 degrees. That's getting really> close to what down will do for you!>> Diet Plan>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Doug Swam wrote:>> > Have you experimented with your current bag by unzipping all the way and> > laying it on top like a makeshift-quilt? Zero cost method to experiment> > before you hint your way into a multi-hundred dollar gift. You might> > determine that you require some sort of method to secure it to you....or> > your pad....or around your neck/head. It'll already have a footbox if you> > do this with a mummy bag.> >> >> > ________________________________> > From: Pct-L on behalf of John Papini <> > jtpapini at icloud.com>> > Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 4:30 PM> > To: Pct Mailing List> > Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt> >> > Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was> > wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt> > brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I'm not sure which> > brand I'd like to buy. I've no doubt that there are plenty of quilt> owners> > out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am> > extending my humble request. I'm hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out> of> > this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not necessarily> > the most economical...> >> > Thank you!> > _______________________________________________> > Pct-L mailing list> > Pct-L at backcountry.net> > To unsubscribe, or change options visit:> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l> > Pct-L Info Page - Backcountry.Net > mailman/listinfo/pct-l>> > mailman.backcountry.net> > To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Pct-L> > Archives. Using Pct-L: To post a message to all the list members, send> > email to ...> >> >> >> >> > List Archives:> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.> > _______________________________________________> > Pct-L mailing list> > Pct-L at backcountry.net> > To unsubscribe, or change options visit:> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l> >> > List Archives:> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.> >> _______________________________________________> Pct-L mailing list> Pct-L at backcountry.net> To unsubscribe, or change options visit:> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>> List Archives:> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.>_______________________________________________Pct-L mailing listPct-L at backcountry.netTo unsubscribe, or change options visit:http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-lList Archives:http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From dylanpatrickclark at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 11:34:25 2016 From: dylanpatrickclark at gmail.com (dylan patrick clark) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 17:34:25 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hiked this past season with a MLD spirit 28 quilt and loved it. I did a lot of research to figure out the best synthetic sleeping option and this is what I came up with. It can be a bit drafty until you get the hang of adjusting it, having a liner helps too. So long as I wore an insulated jacket and warm socks, I was never uncomfortable, even on nights when I'd wake up to a frozen tent. It's really nice to not have to worry about keeping your bag dry or fluffed up. I would just throw mine in the bottom of my pack without a stuff sack or anything. DEATH On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:09 PM Nicholas Roberts wrote: > Happy to see some animal activism on in this thread. :-) > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016, 14:32 Melanie Clarke > wrote: > > > Excellent advice!!!! Unless you have extra money to throw around, unzip > > and test your existing bag as a quilt before spending lots of money. > > > > I also want to offer two more advantages of synthetic bags. They do not > > clump together after being compressed on a daily basis and will retain > it's > > warmth on a long distance hike. And, synthetic bags still retain the > > ability to hold some warmth, even when wet. Down does have a higher > warmth > > to weight ratio when dry and brand new, before daily compression in a > > pack. Many elite successful hikers recommend down and I feel they are > > genuinely offering the best advice to other hikers. So at the end of the > > day, you have to have enough compassion inside you to not want to see > > animals put through a life of very cruel suffering. I just want to say > > that synthetic is not without its advantages over down. > > > > Please choose ultra-light synthetic to end this cruel practice. In a > > similar fashion, Angora Wool is where they rip the hair off of screaming > > rabbits (google it). Many companies, Gap, Eddie Bauer, etc. now refuse > to > > stock products with Angora Wool. We need to do the same with down. I > will > > help anyone who wants to convert the Mountain Laurel quilt into an > > ultra-light bag and today, I forwarded photos and instructions to Ron > over > > at Mountain Laurel to ask if he could actually start manufacturing these > > bags. > > > > San Jose seldom gets below 28 degrees but maybe on a cold night I could > > head up to Grant's Ranch or Mt. Hamilton to test the bag to lower > > temperatures. I'm pretty sure my 30 ounces of converted quilt to bag and > > balaclava will take me to at least 15-20 degrees. That's getting really > > close to what down will do for you! > > > > Diet Plan > > > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Doug Swam wrote: > > > > > Have you experimented with your current bag by unzipping all the way > and > > > laying it on top like a makeshift-quilt? Zero cost method to experiment > > > before you hint your way into a multi-hundred dollar gift. You might > > > determine that you require some sort of method to secure it to > you....or > > > your pad....or around your neck/head. It'll already have a footbox if > you > > > do this with a mummy bag. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Pct-L on behalf of John Papini < > > > jtpapini at icloud.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 4:30 PM > > > To: Pct Mailing List > > > Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight Quilt > > > > > > Hello! I am looking to make the jump from mummy bag to quilt, and was > > > wondering if anybody would care to correspond privately about quilt > > > brands/styles. As I said, I know I want a quilt, but I'm not sure which > > > brand I'd like to buy. I've no doubt that there are plenty of quilt > > owners > > > out there who have researched this to death, so to those folks I am > > > extending my humble request. I'm hoping to wrangle a Christmas gift out > > of > > > this, so I am looking for the best/lightest quilt option, not > necessarily > > > the most economical... > > > > > > Thank you! > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pct-L mailing list > > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > Pct-L Info Page - Backcountry.Net > > mailman/listinfo/pct-l> > > > mailman.backcountry.net > > > To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Pct-L > > > Archives. Using Pct-L: To post a message to all the list members, send > > > email to ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List Archives: > > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pct-L mailing list > > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > > > List Archives: > > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From mkleedom at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 15:39:13 2016 From: mkleedom at gmail.com (Megan Leedom) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:39:13 -0800 Subject: [pct-l] Kite Mosquito Patch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think the patch is available yet, but I've used their spray on a couple backpacking trips. It seemed just as effective as deet without all the nastiness of deet and it smells good too (like vanilla). I'd definitely like to try the patch when it comes out! Megan On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Scott Bryce wrote: > Has anybody heard of this. Any idea if it will work on the PCT? > > http://www.kitepatch.com/kite-patch > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From cmalex at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 10:38:11 2016 From: cmalex at gmail.com (Chris Alexander) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 16:38:11 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] 35% Off PCT Photography Book Until Tuesday Message-ID: Just a quick reminder, if you order our PCT coffee table book by Tuesday December 20th, you'll receive it by December 24th. Thanks so much for supporting our work! Here's where to get it for 35% off: Direct from us -- http://wanderingthewild.com/book Amazon -- http://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Crest-Trail-Journey-Photographs/dp/B01528MDNG Best, Shutterbug and Northstar PCT Class of 2012 From xraylimaperu at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 23:13:51 2016 From: xraylimaperu at gmail.com (adin) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 05:13:51 -0000 Subject: [pct-l] My first post since 2003 Message-ID: Well, I'm back. How many people now on the list were here in 2003? I recall the discussions related to ultra-light, light, standard, and needing a group of Nepalese sherpas to help lug all the gear ;-). I recall being a supporter of mid-high boots and about a 25 pound pack. Well, that set off an uproar! But now, 14 years later, age and mishaps have taken their toll, and I'm an ultra-light kind of guy--I have no choice. I hope all are well and adventuring. I'm at about 6 miles per trek. It's hard to believe both where I once was and where I am now. Good luck to you, one and all. marco3x