From tokencivilian at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 09:52:34 2016 From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com (Barry Teschlog) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 14:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] trekking brolly References: <1110109294.9542092.1470063154034.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1110109294.9542092.1470063154034.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> If you cover up, the necessity for an umbrella for sun protection is largely mitigated. I'd recommend you use long sleeve shirts and long pants, and have a wide brim hat with "Foreign Legion" style flaps to provide extra cover for your neck.? I added the flaps myself and found them to be quite effective for additional protection to the neck and ears.? It's not as hot as you might expect being covered up.? I used light grey "silk weight" Patagonia Capaline shirts which breathe quite well, plus REI convertible nylon trekking pants. Sun gloves might also come in handy.? "Strap tan" from the trekking poles is a clear marker of a thru hiker.? :-) When you're on snow up in the Sierra, watch out, the UV reflecting off of the snow is intense, and there's nothing an umbrella can do to help you there.? In spite of liberal application of high grade sunscreen, by the time I got to VVR, my face looked like that of a racoon, only in reverse (light where the sunglasses protected it, tanned / burnt elsewhere).? I'd recommend a buff that you can use to cover your face in addition to sun screen. YMMV.? HYOH.? 2 cents.? Yadda, yadda, yadda. As I am very light skinned I will need to take particular care with the sun. I was thinking of taking a Brolly, and wondered what people,s experience was with them. Would you recommend these for the PCT? Mayo From luckymanhikes at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 09:33:30 2016 From: luckymanhikes at gmail.com (Lucky Man) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 10:33:30 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Leavenworth WA Message-ID: After getting a ride from helpful Matt at Stevens Pass, four other hikers and I took half a day off in Leavenworth. Another hiker had told me to stay at Evergreen motel - but it doesn't have a working washer and dryer. Then I was surprised to find this sizable town doesn't have a coin laundry. The dour unhelpful clerk at Evergreen said I'd have to drive to the town east of here. But I checked all over and found that FairBridge Inn has two washers and dryers, and the pleasant clerk there let me wash my clothes there. If I'm ever in this faux-Bavarian village again, I'd definitely stay at FairBridge. From tnx4asking at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 13:50:48 2016 From: tnx4asking at gmail.com (John Casterline) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 11:50:48 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Trail Angel Chinook Pass area Message-ID: <4D359714-8249-4A10-BC40-6E76A0376785@gmail.com> I need a ride either tomorrow (Friday) or Saturday to Chinook Pass from Buckley. If u can help please call 407 257-1689. John's American Lung Association site lungcancerhike.org John Casterline From folkjunkie at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 00:15:36 2016 From: folkjunkie at gmail.com (Christine McClane) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 22:15:36 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Need ride(s) for section hike Message-ID: I'm hiking from Seiad Valley to Fish Lake/hwy 140 August 20-30 or 31. I have a potential ride on the 31st, but I would prefer to finish on the 30th because I have to work on 9/1. How easy would it be to get a hitch from Fish Lake or Lake of the Woods back to Medford/Ashland on a Tuesday if I don't find another ride? I am also looking for a ride to Seiad Valley, preferably from Medford or Ashland. I'm coming from Portland and will also need a place to leave my car, unless I take Greyhound or something down there. Can anyone here help, or point me in the direction of any trail angels, shuttle services, etc? Hoping I won't have to resort to craigslist rideshares and hitching! Thanks, Viewfinder PCT 2009-present From ctokash at comcast.net Sat Aug 6 09:53:23 2016 From: ctokash at comcast.net (Clint Tokash) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 10:53:23 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning Message-ID: <002701d1eff2$54793a10$fd6bae30$@comcast.net> Hi guys. Hoping to get feedback on this plan's feasibility. I left the trail in early July at Bucks Lake (Northern CA) due to an unhappy knee and am considering options for finishing my thru-hike as a flip-flop starting Sept 1. My plan is to fly into Seattle and take Amtrak to Stevens Pass. Hike northbound to Manning, take a bus to Vancouver, bus or train to Seattle, then Amtrak back to Stevens pass to finish my hike southbound. At 25 miles per day, I think this will put me far enough south in September to avoid any early winter storms in the Cascades. Questions: 1. Would it be better to fly into Portland and start at Cascade Locks northbound, then flip back there? It looks like Seattle transport is easier, but I don't really know. 2. Do I need to be concerned about early winter storms (late Sept and Oct) in Oregon and Northern CA? 3. Should I just forget the thru hike and finish next year starting northbound from Bucks Lake in July? ~ Burrban From geraldbking at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 16:28:50 2016 From: geraldbking at gmail.com (Jerry's gmail) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 14:28:50 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning In-Reply-To: <002701d1eff2$54793a10$fd6bae30$@comcast.net> References: <002701d1eff2$54793a10$fd6bae30$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Burrban, Starting at Cascade Locks seems like a good option. There are several ways people get from PDX to CCL including a couple of bus transfers. I'd put out a request for a ride on this list or FB. I can't do early September, but keep my email for a possible ride on your second trip to CCL. Of course snow can fly any time after September 25th, but the Oregon cascades are often passible, albeit wet and colder until about October 20th, then all bets are off. Flexibility and a bailout plan are key. Good luck, Navigator > On Aug 6, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Clint Tokash wrote: > > Hi guys. Hoping to get feedback on this plan's feasibility. > > I left the trail in early July at Bucks Lake (Northern CA) due to an unhappy > knee and am considering options for finishing my thru-hike as a flip-flop > starting Sept 1. > > > > My plan is to fly into Seattle and take Amtrak to Stevens Pass. Hike > northbound to Manning, take a bus to Vancouver, bus or train to Seattle, > then Amtrak back to Stevens pass to finish my hike southbound. At 25 miles > per day, I think this will put me far enough south in September to avoid any > early winter storms in the Cascades. > > Questions: > > 1. Would it be better to fly into Portland and start at Cascade Locks > northbound, then flip back there? It looks like Seattle transport is easier, > but I don't really know. > > 2. Do I need to be concerned about early winter storms (late Sept and Oct) > in Oregon and Northern CA? > > 3. Should I just forget the thru hike and finish next year starting > northbound from Bucks Lake in July? > > ~ Burrban > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From kroetsch.ash at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 16:53:23 2016 From: kroetsch.ash at gmail.com (kroetsch.ash at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 15:53:23 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) Message-ID: Hey guys, We are doing the thru hike on the PCT next year and we want to take a couple of goats with us. Anyone have advice on doing this...where to get some goats, previous experience doing it...things like that. Thanks!! Sent from my iPod From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Sat Aug 6 18:48:21 2016 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:48:21 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning In-Reply-To: References: <002701d1eff2$54793a10$fd6bae30$@comcast.net>, , Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: marmot marmot > Date: August 6, 2016 at 4:28:26 PM PDT To: Jerry's gmail > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning Just a thought. Don't know if it's still possible. But if you have the papers to get into Canada,why not start at Manning and head south It would save you all the messing around and travel. Easy bus to Manning from Vanc. Otherwise if it's not possible. Going north from either spot and flipping is doable if you boot it. It's easy to get to Cascafe Locks from Portland. Going south,I ran into too much snow in the Trinity Alps(and too many storms coming in,so couldn't wait it out) to continue south after Oct 20th. But I could have jumped to Hwy 5 if I had been doing it in another year without the trail being closed by fire in 2012. Marmot Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Jerry's gmail > wrote: Burrban, Starting at Cascade Locks seems like a good option. There are several ways people get from PDX to CCL including a couple of bus transfers. I'd put out a request for a ride on this list or FB. I can't do early September, but keep my email for a possible ride on your second trip to CCL. Of course snow can fly any time after September 25th, but the Oregon cascades are often passible, albeit wet and colder until about October 20th, then all bets are off. Flexibility and a bailout plan are key. Good luck, Navigator On Aug 6, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Clint Tokash > wrote: Hi guys. Hoping to get feedback on this plan's feasibility. I left the trail in early July at Bucks Lake (Northern CA) due to an unhappy knee and am considering options for finishing my thru-hike as a flip-flop starting Sept 1. My plan is to fly into Seattle and take Amtrak to Stevens Pass. Hike northbound to Manning, take a bus to Vancouver, bus or train to Seattle, then Amtrak back to Stevens pass to finish my hike southbound. At 25 miles per day, I think this will put me far enough south in September to avoid any early winter storms in the Cascades. Questions: 1. Would it be better to fly into Portland and start at Cascade Locks northbound, then flip back there? It looks like Seattle transport is easier, but I don't really know. 2. Do I need to be concerned about early winter storms (late Sept and Oct) in Oregon and Northern CA? 3. Should I just forget the thru hike and finish next year starting northbound from Bucks Lake in July? ~ Burrban _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Sat Aug 6 18:48:38 2016 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:48:38 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: marmot marmot > Date: August 6, 2016 at 4:16:29 PM PDT To: "kroetsch.ash at gmail.com" > Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject) Try googling Goat packing in Boseman Montana (Tetons)and in Wash state. I've seen goats on the trail in both places. I saw a group on the PCT north of Snowqualimie in 2012. On the CDT in 96 I saw a guy goat packing. We talked a bit. He actually thought I was Alice because he had seen her in exactly the same spot 3 years earlier on her thruhike of the trail. He used to take out climbers and their gear. Marmot Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2016, at 3:43 PM, "kroetsch.ash at gmail.com" > wrote: Hey guys, We are doing the thru hike on the PCT next year and we want to take a couple of goats with us. Anyone have advice on doing this...where to get some goats, previous experience doing it...things like that. Thanks!! Sent from my iPod _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From sdscpcts at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 19:43:51 2016 From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (Rob Langsdorf) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 00:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning In-Reply-To: References: <002701d1eff2$54793a10$fd6bae30$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <504767166.12227694.1470530631743.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I wouldn't chance crossing southbound from Canada as the fine is pretty big. ????????? Rob From: marmot marmot To: "pct-l @backcountry.net" Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 4:48 PM Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: marmot marmot > Date: August 6, 2016 at 4:28:26 PM PDT To: Jerry's gmail > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning Just a thought. Don't know if it's still possible. But if you have the papers to get into Canada,why not start at Manning and head south It would save you all the messing around and travel. Easy bus to Manning from Vanc. Otherwise if it's not possible. Going north from either spot and flipping is doable if you boot it. It's easy to get to Cascafe Locks from Portland. Going south,I ran into too much snow in the Trinity Alps(and too many storms coming in,so couldn't wait it out) to continue south after Oct 20th. But I could have jumped to Hwy 5 if I had been doing it in another year without the trail being closed by fire in 2012. Marmot Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Jerry's gmail > wrote: Burrban, Starting at Cascade Locks seems like a good option. There are several ways people get from PDX to CCL including a couple of bus transfers. I'd put out a request for a ride on this list or FB. I can't do early September, but keep my email for a possible ride on your second trip to CCL. Of course snow can fly any time after September 25th, but the Oregon cascades are often passible, albeit wet and colder until about October 20th, then all bets are off. Flexibility and a bailout plan are key. Good luck, Navigator On Aug 6, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Clint Tokash > wrote: Hi guys. Hoping to get feedback on this plan's feasibility. I left the trail in early July at Bucks Lake (Northern CA) due to an unhappy knee and am considering options for finishing my thru-hike as a flip-flop starting Sept 1. My plan is to fly into Seattle and take Amtrak to Stevens Pass. Hike northbound to Manning, take a bus to Vancouver, bus or train to Seattle, then Amtrak back to Stevens pass to finish my hike southbound. At 25 miles per day, I think this will put me far enough south in September to avoid any early winter storms in the Cascades. Questions: 1. Would it be better to fly into Portland and start at Cascade Locks northbound, then flip back there? It looks like Seattle transport is easier, but I don't really know. 2. Do I need to be concerned about early winter storms (late Sept and Oct) in Oregon and Northern CA? 3. Should I just forget the thru hike and finish next year starting northbound from Bucks Lake in July? ~ Burrban _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. 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From richardb10 at live.com Sun Aug 7 08:54:43 2016 From: richardb10 at live.com (Richard Brinkman) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 06:54:43 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I remember a couple - appropriately named 'The Goat People' - who tried to thru-hike with a goat in roughly 2005. They were forced to hike south - 18 miles! - out of a national park in California as goats did not meet 'stock' criteria. Roadwalker -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of kroetsch.ash at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 2:53 PM To: PCT Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) Hey guys, We are doing the thru hike on the PCT next year and we want to take a couple of goats with us. Anyone have advice on doing this...where to get some goats, previous experience doing it...things like that. Thanks!! Sent from my iPod _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From karen.kellerford at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 19:51:00 2016 From: karen.kellerford at gmail.com (Karen Keller) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 17:51:00 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Kennedy M to Lone Pine Message-ID: <79D13426-7962-47FA-B4F6-9E33F40EECB8@gmail.com> I am hoping to hike between K Meadows and Lone Pine this week and am having trouble figuring out the best way. I have a car. I'll need to leave it and get back to it. I could go either northbound or southbound. Any advise/suggestions would be appreciated. Sent from my iPhone From irontigerjb at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 09:00:31 2016 From: irontigerjb at gmail.com (JB) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 09:00:31 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems a baaaaaad idea > On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Richard Brinkman wrote: > > Hi, > > I remember a couple - appropriately named 'The Goat People' - who tried to > thru-hike with a goat in roughly 2005. They were forced to hike south - 18 > miles! - out of a national park in California as goats did not meet 'stock' > criteria. > > Roadwalker > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of > kroetsch.ash at gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 2:53 PM > To: PCT > Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) > > Hey guys, > > We are doing the thru hike on the PCT next year and we want to take a couple > of goats with us. Anyone have advice on doing this...where to get some > goats, previous experience doing it...things like that. > > Thanks!! > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From brick at brickrobbins.com Mon Aug 8 00:40:44 2016 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 22:40:44 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning In-Reply-To: <504767166.12227694.1470530631743.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <002701d1eff2$54793a10$fd6bae30$@comcast.net> <504767166.12227694.1470530631743.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Rob Langsdorf wrote: > I wouldn't chance crossing southbound from Canada as the fine is pretty big. Rob is correct. There is no legal way to enter the USA via the PCT. http://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/permits/entering-the-u-s-from-canada-on-the-pct/ And CBP does watch. The recently apprehended some Pokemon Go players that chased pokemon into the USA https://goo.gl/WcS8so From denisstanton at mac.com Mon Aug 8 01:15:34 2016 From: denisstanton at mac.com (Denis Stanton) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 18:15:34 +1200 Subject: [pct-l] Kennedy M to Lone Pine In-Reply-To: <79D13426-7962-47FA-B4F6-9E33F40EECB8@gmail.com> References: <79D13426-7962-47FA-B4F6-9E33F40EECB8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <83BDBAC5-9F5E-4E86-B936-81D525E94519@mac.com> Hi Karen, I did exactly that hike a few years ago. Kennedy Meadows is hard to get to as there is no public transport and only limited traffic. It is definitely do-able though, and recommended :-) I drove to Kennedy Meadow and talked nicely to the store owner. He was quite happy for me to leave my car right in front of the store for three or four days. There are possibly other places in Kennedy Meadows as well. I hiked the PCt as far as Trail Pass, then off the PCT down to Horseshoe Meadows. It was slowish hitch from there down to Lone Pine. Maybe an hour at roadside. Would probably have been faster to go the trailhead parking lot and approach drivers directly, assuming you have winning smile. I guess that also gives you the advantage of being able to choose who you approach, which could a consideration for a woman travelling solo. At Lone Pine I had good luck in hitching back down Hwy 395 to the Kennedy Meadows turnoff (I forget the road name). I recommend setting up your pack and holding out your thumb at the gas station exit on the south end of town. That way you get seen by people putting out of the gas station rather than by those already doing 65 MPH on the highway. The hardest hitch was from Hwy 395 back up to Kennedy Meadows. It was a long wait in hot sun for me. I had actually cached some bottled water in the scrub when I drove up the earlier and I was glad of it. Eventually you?ll get a hiker or a fisherman. Have fun Denis Stanton ?Goodwill" > On 8/08/2016, at 12:51 PM, Karen Keller wrote: > > I am hoping to hike between K Meadows and Lone Pine this week and am having trouble figuring out the best way. I have a car. I'll need to leave it and get back to it. I could go either northbound or southbound. Any advise/suggestions would be appreciated. > From brick at brickrobbins.com Mon Aug 8 13:34:27 2016 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 11:34:27 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Kennedy M to Lone Pine In-Reply-To: <83BDBAC5-9F5E-4E86-B936-81D525E94519@mac.com> References: <79D13426-7962-47FA-B4F6-9E33F40EECB8@gmail.com> <83BDBAC5-9F5E-4E86-B936-81D525E94519@mac.com> Message-ID: Here is an Idea. Drive to KM, and leave your car. Yogi a ride down to 395 by using your winning smile and asking people. Star early enough to make sure you arrive in Pearsonville in time for your reservation on the Easter Sierra Express, that you have emailed ahead to arrange a pickup. Unless of course, the ride you Yogi-ed is going north to Lone Pine. I have had much more success asking people face to face for rides, than hitch hiking. Since "9 mile road" from 395 to KM is the difficult part to get a ride, I would suggest using the "face to face" option in KM. There is more traffic up and down the hill out of Lone Pine so it is less of a problem. http://www.estransit.com/routes-schedule/395-routes/mammoth-lakes-to-lancaster/ Then from Lone Pine, hitch up the hill to the pass, and start walking When you arrive in KM, your car will be waiting On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Denis Stanton wrote: > Hi Karen, > > I did exactly that hike a few years ago. Kennedy Meadows is hard to get to as there is no public transport and only limited traffic. It is definitely do-able though, and recommended :-) > > I drove to Kennedy Meadow and talked nicely to the store owner. He was quite happy for me to leave my car right in front of the store for three or four days. There are possibly other places in Kennedy Meadows as well. I hiked the PCt as far as Trail Pass, then off the PCT down to Horseshoe Meadows. It was slowish hitch from there down to Lone Pine. Maybe an hour at roadside. Would probably have been faster to go the trailhead parking lot and approach drivers directly, assuming you have winning smile. I guess that also gives you the advantage of being able to choose who you approach, which could a consideration for a woman travelling solo. At Lone Pine I had good luck in hitching back down Hwy 395 to the Kennedy Meadows turnoff (I forget the road name). I recommend setting up your pack and holding out your thumb at the gas station exit on the south end of town. That way you get seen by people putting out of the gas station rather than by those already doing 65 MPH on the highway. > > The hardest hitch was from Hwy 395 back up to Kennedy Meadows. It was a long wait in hot sun for me. I had actually cached some bottled water in the scrub when I drove up the earlier and I was glad of it. Eventually you?ll get a hiker or a fisherman. > > Have fun > > Denis Stanton > ?Goodwill" > > >> On 8/08/2016, at 12:51 PM, Karen Keller wrote: >> >> I am hoping to hike between K Meadows and Lone Pine this week and am having trouble figuring out the best way. I have a car. I'll need to leave it and get back to it. I could go either northbound or southbound. Any advise/suggestions would be appreciated. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From akaercher at liberty.edu Mon Aug 8 13:53:28 2016 From: akaercher at liberty.edu (Kaercher, Alexandra) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 18:53:28 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Just out of genuine curiousity, why?? Haha. ________________________________ From: Pct-L on behalf of JB Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:00:31 AM To: Richard Brinkman Cc: PCT Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject) Seems a baaaaaad idea > On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Richard Brinkman wrote: > > Hi, > > I remember a couple - appropriately named 'The Goat People' - who tried to > thru-hike with a goat in roughly 2005. They were forced to hike south - 18 > miles! - out of a national park in California as goats did not meet 'stock' > criteria. > > Roadwalker > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of > kroetsch.ash at gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 2:53 PM > To: PCT > Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) > > Hey guys, > > We are doing the thru hike on the PCT next year and we want to take a couple > of goats with us. Anyone have advice on doing this...where to get some > goats, previous experience doing it...things like that. > > Thanks!! > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From irontigerjb at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 14:04:21 2016 From: irontigerjb at gmail.com (JB) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:04:21 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was just an easy joke more than a substance based opinion :) HYOH, with or without goats JB aka Thesaurus > On Aug 8, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Kaercher, Alexandra wrote: > > Just out of genuine curiousity, why?? Haha. > > > > From: Pct-L on behalf of JB > Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:00:31 AM > To: Richard Brinkman > Cc: PCT > Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject) > > Seems a baaaaaad idea > > > On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Richard Brinkman wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I remember a couple - appropriately named 'The Goat People' - who tried to > > thru-hike with a goat in roughly 2005. They were forced to hike south - 18 > > miles! - out of a national park in California as goats did not meet 'stock' > > criteria. > > > > Roadwalker > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of > > kroetsch.ash at gmail.com > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 2:53 PM > > To: PCT > > Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) > > > > Hey guys, > > > > We are doing the thru hike on the PCT next year and we want to take a couple > > of goats with us. Anyone have advice on doing this...where to get some > > goats, previous experience doing it...things like that. > > > > Thanks!! > > > > Sent from my iPod > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pct-L mailing list > > Pct-L at backcountry.net > > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > > > List Archives: > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From akaercher at liberty.edu Mon Aug 8 14:56:38 2016 From: akaercher at liberty.edu (Kaercher, Alexandra) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 19:56:38 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: No, I meant why do they want to hike with goats! Haha. ________________________________ From: JB Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 2:04:21 PM To: Kaercher, Alexandra Cc: Richard Brinkman; PCT Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject) Was just an easy joke more than a substance based opinion :) HYOH, with or without goats JB aka Thesaurus On Aug 8, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Kaercher, Alexandra > wrote: Just out of genuine curiousity, why?? Haha. ________________________________ From: Pct-L > on behalf of JB > Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:00:31 AM To: Richard Brinkman Cc: PCT Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject) Seems a baaaaaad idea > On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Richard Brinkman > wrote: > > Hi, > > I remember a couple - appropriately named 'The Goat People' - who tried to > thru-hike with a goat in roughly 2005. They were forced to hike south - 18 > miles! - out of a national park in California as goats did not meet 'stock' > criteria. > > Roadwalker > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of > kroetsch.ash at gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 2:53 PM > To: PCT > Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) > > Hey guys, > > We are doing the thru hike on the PCT next year and we want to take a couple > of goats with us. Anyone have advice on doing this...where to get some > goats, previous experience doing it...things like that. > > Thanks!! > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From troopharrison at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 15:08:26 2016 From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 15:08:26 -0500 Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <307B41E1-6EEE-46C3-B10F-A3D8F6394815@gmail.com> "HYOH, with or without goats" :D Love this group!! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2016, at 2:04 PM, JB wrote: > > Was just an easy joke more than a substance based opinion :) > > HYOH, with or without goats > > JB aka Thesaurus > >> On Aug 8, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Kaercher, Alexandra wrote: >> >> Just out of genuine curiousity, why?? Haha. >> >> >> >> From: Pct-L on behalf of JB >> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:00:31 AM >> To: Richard Brinkman >> Cc: PCT >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject) >> >> Seems a baaaaaad idea >> >>> On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Richard Brinkman wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I remember a couple - appropriately named 'The Goat People' - who tried to >>> thru-hike with a goat in roughly 2005. They were forced to hike south - 18 >>> miles! - out of a national park in California as goats did not meet 'stock' >>> criteria. >>> >>> Roadwalker >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of >>> kroetsch.ash at gmail.com >>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 2:53 PM >>> To: PCT >>> Subject: [pct-l] (no subject) >>> >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> We are doing the thru hike on the PCT next year and we want to take a couple >>> of goats with us. Anyone have advice on doing this...where to get some >>> goats, previous experience doing it...things like that. >>> >>> Thanks!! >>> >>> Sent from my iPod >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pct-L mailing list >>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> >>> List Archives: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pct-L mailing list >>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> >>> List Archives: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From timpnye at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 13:45:27 2016 From: timpnye at gmail.com (timpnye) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 11:45:27 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Kennedy M to Lone Pine Message-ID: Water report. I did that part of the trail two weeks ago. Water sources are sparse. Kern at the swallow bridge barely flowing and only in stretches. Cow water, heavily used in what pools are there. Was a brief flow one spot on cow Creek. I'm not sure you could count on either. The spring 15 miles up the trail is still flowing, but it took me a long time even though I'd had no trouble a few years ago. There was a stream/spring flowing a mile and a half before that, that I wouldnt pass by. After that Trail Pass to campground is your next water. Bring enough carrying capacity.? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Brick Robbins Date: 8/8/16 11:34 AM (GMT-08:00) To: PCT List Subject: Re: [pct-l] Kennedy M to Lone Pine Here is an Idea. Drive to KM, and leave your car. Yogi a ride down to 395 by using your winning smile and asking people. Star early enough to make sure you arrive in Pearsonville in time for your reservation on the Easter Sierra Express, that you have emailed ahead to arrange a pickup. Unless of course, the ride you Yogi-ed is going north to Lone Pine. I have had much more success asking people face to face for rides, than hitch hiking. Since "9 mile road" from 395 to KM is the difficult part to get a ride, I would suggest using the "face to face" option in KM. There is more traffic up and down the hill out of Lone Pine so it is less of a problem. http://www.estransit.com/routes-schedule/395-routes/mammoth-lakes-to-lancaster/ Then from Lone Pine, hitch up the hill to the pass, and start walking When you arrive in KM, your car will be waiting On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Denis Stanton wrote: > Hi Karen, > > I did exactly that hike a few years ago.? Kennedy Meadows is hard to get to as there is no public transport and only limited traffic.? It is definitely do-able though, and recommended :-) > > I drove to Kennedy Meadow and talked nicely to the store owner.? He was quite happy for me to leave my car right in front of the store for three or four days.? There are possibly other places in Kennedy Meadows as well.? I hiked the PCt as far as Trail Pass, then off the PCT down to Horseshoe Meadows.? It was slowish hitch from there down to Lone Pine.? Maybe an hour at roadside.? Would probably have been faster to go the trailhead parking lot and approach drivers directly, assuming you have winning smile.? I guess that also gives you the advantage of being able to choose who you approach, which could a consideration for a woman travelling solo.? At Lone Pine I had good luck in hitching back down Hwy 395 to the Kennedy Meadows turnoff (I forget the road name).? I recommend setting up your pack and holding out your thumb at the gas station exit on the south end of town.? That way you get seen by people putting out of the gas station rather than by those already doing 65 MPH on the highway. > > The hardest hitch was from Hwy 395 back up to Kennedy Meadows.? It was a long wait in hot sun for me.? I had actually cached some bottled water in the scrub when I drove up the earlier and I was glad of it.? Eventually you?ll get a hiker or a fisherman. > > Have fun > > Denis Stanton > ?Goodwill" > > >> On 8/08/2016, at 12:51 PM, Karen Keller wrote: >> >> I am hoping to hike between K Meadows and Lone Pine this week and am having trouble figuring out the best way. I have a car. I'll need to leave it and get back to it. I could go either northbound or southbound. Any advise/suggestions would be appreciated. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From tokencivilian at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 13:56:11 2016 From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com (Barry Teschlog) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 18:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] no subject - pack goats References: <1769051246.2027099.1470768971991.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1769051246.2027099.1470768971991.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The other day, the following was posted: "Hey guys, We are doing the thru hike on the PCT next year and we want to take a couple of goats with us. Anyone have advice on doing this...where to get some goats, previous experience doing it...things like that. Thanks!! " Reply: If you're having to ask about where to get goats, you obviously don't have the experience necessary to safely (for the animal) take them on a long, complex pack trip that is a thru hike attempt. For the sake of any pack animal you may use, first gain the necessary experience under far less demanding circumstances. From switchgoose at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 14:07:28 2016 From: switchgoose at yahoo.com (Lisa Goyne) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 12:07:28 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] OST alternate at Windigo Pass Message-ID: <86A5ED4D-ED54-4B4E-BD73-3F2AB1242040@yahoo.com> Hi all, My cousin and I are hiking the OR section of the PCT and are considering the Oregon Skyline Trail from Windigo Pass to Shelter Cove. And we're wondering about trail maintenance. Have any of you heard anything about this section of the OST? Or do you know where I can get info on it? I'm in a place with very limited cell service. Thanks, Lisa From HStroh at sjmslaw.com Tue Aug 9 15:11:02 2016 From: HStroh at sjmslaw.com (Herb Stroh) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 20:11:02 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] no subject - pack goats In-Reply-To: <1769051246.2027099.1470768971991.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1769051246.2027099.1470768971991.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1769051246.2027099.1470768971991.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9ab96f7b2c61472cb5311a1520af9579@MALAWI.SJLM.local> A somewhat humorous story on packing with goats appeared in Backpacker Mag some time ago: http://www.backpacker.com/destinations-stories/my-partner-ate-my-socks-a-tale-of-goatpacking/3/#bp=0/img1 It does seem to suggest that one should have experience packing with goats before undergoing a lengthy trip. Herb -----Original Message----- From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Barry Teschlog Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:56 AM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] no subject - pack goats The other day, the following was posted: "Hey guys, We are doing the thru hike on the PCT next year and we want to take a couple of goats with us. Anyone have advice on doing this...where to get some goats, previous experience doing it...things like that. Thanks!! " Reply: If you're having to ask about where to get goats, you obviously don't have the experience necessary to safely (for the animal) take them on a long, complex pack trip that is a thru hike attempt. For the sake of any pack animal you may use, first gain the necessary experience under far less demanding circumstances. From charlesdstuart at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 16:04:29 2016 From: charlesdstuart at gmail.com (Charles Stuart) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:04:29 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] OST alternate at Windigo Pass In-Reply-To: <86A5ED4D-ED54-4B4E-BD73-3F2AB1242040@yahoo.com> References: <86A5ED4D-ED54-4B4E-BD73-3F2AB1242040@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Lisa, I just finished this alternate about two hours ago and am currently at Shelter Cove (drinking too much beer). The alternate is in pretty good shape. There are some really annoying blowdowns in the last five miles but they're no more frequent and no worse than they are in many places on the PCT proper in this section right now. Aside from those, the trail is well-maintained, had small and gentle elevation changes, and is very easy to hike. It also has lots of water, which the section of the PCT you'd be skipping does not (assuming the water report is accurate). The trail is not well-marked and there are a lot of junctions, but the alternate is on the Halfmile maps and on the free Halfmile app, so if you have either of those you should be fine. Hope that helps. -Oolong On Tuesday, August 9, 2016, Lisa Goyne wrote: > Hi all, > > My cousin and I are hiking the OR section of the PCT and are considering > the Oregon Skyline Trail from Windigo Pass to Shelter Cove. And we're > wondering about trail maintenance. Have any of you heard anything about > this section of the OST? Or do you know where I can get info on it? I'm in > a place with very limited cell service. > > Thanks, > Lisa > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From michaeljirving at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 18:53:20 2016 From: michaeljirving at gmail.com (Michael Irving) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:53:20 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] OST alternate at Windigo Pass In-Reply-To: <86A5ED4D-ED54-4B4E-BD73-3F2AB1242040@yahoo.com> References: <86A5ED4D-ED54-4B4E-BD73-3F2AB1242040@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do yourself a favor and hike the PCT section. I've done both and the OST is one of the most dusty, boring, lodgepole pine view I've ever hiked. I really liked the real PCT in that section as well as Summit Lake. Having said that, the south section of the OST as of a few weeks ago is blowdown-free except just near Crescent Lake. I hiked the northern section 2 years ago so I can't comment on those conditions. Diamond View Lake is the highlight of that section and along the creek at the northern end. -GoalTech > On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Lisa Goyne wrote: > > Hi all, > > My cousin and I are hiking the OR section of the PCT and are considering the Oregon Skyline Trail from Windigo Pass to Shelter Cove. And we're wondering about trail maintenance. Have any of you heard anything about this section of the OST? Or do you know where I can get info on it? I'm in a place with very limited cell service. > > Thanks, > Lisa > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From emilytoby at hotmail.com Tue Aug 9 19:14:17 2016 From: emilytoby at hotmail.com (Emily Toby) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 00:14:17 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] OST alternate at Windigo Pass In-Reply-To: References: <86A5ED4D-ED54-4B4E-BD73-3F2AB1242040@yahoo.com>, Message-ID: I heartily concur. I've hiked both, and the PCT is much much more interesting. It's harder, there's more elevation gain /loss, but hiking along the base of Diamond Peak is special. Swimming in summit lake, refreshing. There was also an unidentified cold water spring along the trail, near the northern end of the base of the mountain. Mmmm, ain't nothing better than ice cold ontrail water. Well, maybe an ice cold beer! But I didn't find any of those. In contrast, the alternate is along dusty overused horsetrails. Viewless, except at Diamond View Lake, and potentially confusing. Bleh. If the route wasn't on the maps, nobody'd take it. ?berBitch Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Michael Irving wrote: > > Do yourself a favor and hike the PCT section. I've done both and the OST is one of the most dusty, boring, lodgepole pine view I've ever hiked. I really liked the real PCT in that section as well as Summit Lake. > > Having said that, the south section of the OST as of a few weeks ago is blowdown-free except just near Crescent Lake. I hiked the northern section 2 years ago so I can't comment on those conditions. Diamond View Lake is the highlight of that section and along the creek at the northern end. > > -GoalTech > >> On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Lisa Goyne wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> My cousin and I are hiking the OR section of the PCT and are considering the Oregon Skyline Trail from Windigo Pass to Shelter Cove. And we're wondering about trail maintenance. Have any of you heard anything about this section of the OST? Or do you know where I can get info on it? I'm in a place with very limited cell service. >> >> Thanks, >> Lisa >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From dylanpatrickclark at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 13:10:27 2016 From: dylanpatrickclark at gmail.com (dylan patrick clark) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 18:10:27 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning In-Reply-To: References: <002701d1eff2$54793a10$fd6bae30$@comcast.net> <504767166.12227694.1470530631743.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On a related note, I was wondering what people thought about hiking sobo from Ashland to Old Station starting early October. Are there any potentially dangerous sections? Any other info about Trinity Alps weather as mentioned earlier by Marmot? Thanks! Dylan On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 10:40 PM Brick Robbins wrote: > On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Rob Langsdorf wrote: > > I wouldn't chance crossing southbound from Canada as the fine is pretty > big. > > Rob is correct. There is no legal way to enter the USA via the PCT. > > http://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/permits/entering-the-u-s-from-canada-on-the-pct/ > > And CBP does watch. The recently apprehended some Pokemon Go players > that chased pokemon into the USA > > https://goo.gl/WcS8so > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From switchgoose at yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 16:03:04 2016 From: switchgoose at yahoo.com (Lisa Goyne) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:03:04 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] OST alternate at Windigo Pass In-Reply-To: References: <86A5ED4D-ED54-4B4E-BD73-3F2AB1242040@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, everyone. Great info and things to think about. Leaning towards the alternate, but we'll see. Lisa > On Aug 9, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Emily Toby wrote: > > I heartily concur. I've hiked both, and the PCT is much much more interesting. It's harder, there's more elevation gain /loss, but hiking along the base of Diamond Peak is special. Swimming in summit lake, refreshing. There was also an unidentified cold water spring along the trail, near the northern end of the base of the mountain. Mmmm, ain't nothing better than ice cold ontrail water. Well, maybe an ice cold beer! But I didn't find any of those. > > In contrast, the alternate is along dusty overused horsetrails. Viewless, except at Diamond View Lake, and potentially confusing. Bleh. If the route wasn't on the maps, nobody'd take it. > > ?berBitch > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Michael Irving wrote: >> >> Do yourself a favor and hike the PCT section. I've done both and the OST is one of the most dusty, boring, lodgepole pine view I've ever hiked. I really liked the real PCT in that section as well as Summit Lake. >> >> Having said that, the south section of the OST as of a few weeks ago is blowdown-free except just near Crescent Lake. I hiked the northern section 2 years ago so I can't comment on those conditions. Diamond View Lake is the highlight of that section and along the creek at the northern end. >> >> -GoalTech >> >>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Lisa Goyne wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> My cousin and I are hiking the OR section of the PCT and are considering the Oregon Skyline Trail from Windigo Pass to Shelter Cove. And we're wondering about trail maintenance. Have any of you heard anything about this section of the OST? Or do you know where I can get info on it? I'm in a place with very limited cell service. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Lisa >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pct-L mailing list >>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> >>> List Archives: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From timpnye at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 16:11:42 2016 From: timpnye at gmail.com (Timothy Nye) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:11:42 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning In-Reply-To: References: <002701d1eff2$54793a10$fd6bae30$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <81D64B1E-3B94-467B-83AB-B74EE2DC9418@gmail.com> All of this depends on your conditioning and experience. The climb North from Interstate 90 will tell you how your knee is as will the subsequent descent. Otherwise, this sounds complicated from a travel standpoint, at least to me. You may surprise yourself as to the miles you can do. I?d be inclined to do all of Washington in one go, if only because its so beautiful that if you don?t finish you?ll have great memories. If you do this, try not to get caught up in a group that will compromise your mileage. You?ll be fully conditioned by then. Absent snow, you could make good time through Oregon SoBo, or even take the train to Dunsmuire and hike NorBo from Castella. Oregon is where you can makeup the most miles, IMO. Now ask yourself about your level of experience. Can you handle snow? Navigation skills? Gear? Minimizing avalanche risks and extra calorie expenditure? Basically, are you prepared mentally? Have you checked when resupply spots in Oregon close for the season? As a note of caution, just to keep things real, check with Andrea Dinsmore about I?m Fine and his experience in the North Cascades a couple of years ago. There are no guarantees about the weather. The Donner Party got stuck in October. However, the trail is accessible as is the outside world from the trail. Just a few thoughts. On Aug 6, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Jerry's gmail wrote: > Burrban, > Starting at Cascade Locks seems like a good option. There are several ways people get from PDX to CCL including a couple of bus transfers. I'd put out a request for a ride on this list or FB. I can't do early September, but keep my email for a possible ride on your second trip to CCL. > Of course snow can fly any time after September 25th, but the Oregon cascades are often passible, albeit wet and colder until about October 20th, then all bets are off. Flexibility and a bailout plan are key. > Good luck, > Navigator > >> On Aug 6, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Clint Tokash wrote: >> >> Hi guys. Hoping to get feedback on this plan's feasibility. >> >> I left the trail in early July at Bucks Lake (Northern CA) due to an unhappy >> knee and am considering options for finishing my thru-hike as a flip-flop >> starting Sept 1. >> >> >> >> My plan is to fly into Seattle and take Amtrak to Stevens Pass. Hike >> northbound to Manning, take a bus to Vancouver, bus or train to Seattle, >> then Amtrak back to Stevens pass to finish my hike southbound. At 25 miles >> per day, I think this will put me far enough south in September to avoid any >> early winter storms in the Cascades. >> >> Questions: >> >> 1. Would it be better to fly into Portland and start at Cascade Locks >> northbound, then flip back there? It looks like Seattle transport is easier, >> but I don't really know. >> >> 2. Do I need to be concerned about early winter storms (late Sept and Oct) >> in Oregon and Northern CA? >> >> 3. Should I just forget the thru hike and finish next year starting >> northbound from Bucks Lake in July? >> >> ~ Burrban >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From ctokash at comcast.net Wed Aug 10 17:57:34 2016 From: ctokash at comcast.net (Clint Tokash) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 18:57:34 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Options for finishing Nor CA to Manning In-Reply-To: <81D64B1E-3B94-467B-83AB-B74EE2DC9418@gmail.com> References: <002701d1eff2$54793a10$fd6bae30$@comcast.net> <81D64B1E-3B94-467B-83AB-B74EE2DC9418@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm confident I could finish by the end of October. I was doing 30+ mile days before "halftime". What I'm not confident about is the weather, and I'd rather do the rest of the PCT in one piece, so no thru hike I guess ? I'll finish next year starting mid July or maybe a bit earlier where I left off in NorCal. This year I'll do a few 100 or so mile hikes this fall and probably whine a lot and go stir crazy ? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Timothy Nye wrote: > > All of this depends on your conditioning and experience. > > The climb North from Interstate 90 will tell you how your knee is as will the subsequent descent. Otherwise, this sounds complicated from a travel standpoint, at least to me. You may surprise yourself as to the miles you can do. > > I?d be inclined to do all of Washington in one go, if only because its so beautiful that if you don?t finish you?ll have great memories. If you do this, try not to get caught up in a group that will compromise your mileage. You?ll be fully conditioned by then. Absent snow, you could make good time through Oregon SoBo, or even take the train to Dunsmuire and hike NorBo from Castella. Oregon is where you can makeup the most miles, IMO. > > Now ask yourself about your level of experience. Can you handle snow? Navigation skills? Gear? Minimizing avalanche risks and extra calorie expenditure? Basically, are you prepared mentally? Have you checked when resupply spots in Oregon close for the season? > > As a note of caution, just to keep things real, check with Andrea Dinsmore about I?m Fine and his experience in the North Cascades a couple of years ago. > > There are no guarantees about the weather. The Donner Party got stuck in October. However, the trail is accessible as is the outside world from the trail. > > Just a few thoughts. >> On Aug 6, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Jerry's gmail wrote: >> >> Burrban, >> Starting at Cascade Locks seems like a good option. There are several ways people get from PDX to CCL including a couple of bus transfers. I'd put out a request for a ride on this list or FB. I can't do early September, but keep my email for a possible ride on your second trip to CCL. >> Of course snow can fly any time after September 25th, but the Oregon cascades are often passible, albeit wet and colder until about October 20th, then all bets are off. Flexibility and a bailout plan are key. >> Good luck, >> Navigator >> >>> On Aug 6, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Clint Tokash wrote: >>> >>> Hi guys. Hoping to get feedback on this plan's feasibility. >>> >>> I left the trail in early July at Bucks Lake (Northern CA) due to an unhappy >>> knee and am considering options for finishing my thru-hike as a flip-flop >>> starting Sept 1. >>> >>> >>> >>> My plan is to fly into Seattle and take Amtrak to Stevens Pass. Hike >>> northbound to Manning, take a bus to Vancouver, bus or train to Seattle, >>> then Amtrak back to Stevens pass to finish my hike southbound. At 25 miles >>> per day, I think this will put me far enough south in September to avoid any >>> early winter storms in the Cascades. >>> >>> Questions: >>> >>> 1. Would it be better to fly into Portland and start at Cascade Locks >>> northbound, then flip back there? It looks like Seattle transport is easier, >>> but I don't really know. >>> >>> 2. Do I need to be concerned about early winter storms (late Sept and Oct) >>> in Oregon and Northern CA? >>> >>> 3. Should I just forget the thru hike and finish next year starting >>> northbound from Bucks Lake in July? >>> >>> ~ Burrban >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pct-L mailing list >>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> >>> List Archives: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > From kwhite483 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 06:32:46 2016 From: kwhite483 at yahoo.com (Karen White) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Road 23 to Trout Lake, WA References: <1598064400.15157835.1471347166893.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1598064400.15157835.1471347166893.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone know if Road 23 is open this summer?? Is it a hard hitch? Karen From brick at brickrobbins.com Tue Aug 16 11:21:56 2016 From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:21:56 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Road 23 to Trout Lake, WA In-Reply-To: <1598064400.15157835.1471347166893.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1598064400.15157835.1471347166893.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1598064400.15157835.1471347166893.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: google gave me this answer http://www.columbian.com/news/2016/may/08/gifford-pinchot-forest-road-no-23-wont-open-in-2016/ On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Karen White wrote: > Does anyone know if Road 23 is open this summer? Is it a hard hitch? > Karen > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From jjolson58 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 11:30:42 2016 From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:30:42 -0600 Subject: [pct-l] Road 23 to Trout Lake, WA In-Reply-To: References: <1598064400.15157835.1471347166893.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1598064400.15157835.1471347166893.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I hitched into Trout Lake once from where the trail crosses paved Road 23 - not much traffic. I camped fairly close and was on the road early. I walked halfway to Trout Lake before getting picked up. There was another hiker in the back of the pickup - Warner springs Monte... this must have been 2005. Jeff On 8/16/2016 10:21 AM, Brick Robbins wrote: > google gave me this answer > > http://www.columbian.com/news/2016/may/08/gifford-pinchot-forest-road-no-23-wont-open-in-2016/ > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Karen White wrote: >> Does anyone know if Road 23 is open this summer? Is it a hard hitch? >> Karen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Tue Aug 16 18:22:07 2016 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 23:22:07 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Road 23 to Trout Lake, WA In-Reply-To: References: <1598064400.15157835.1471347166893.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1598064400.15157835.1471347166893.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: I'm not in LA where my guidebooks and maps are. So ,I can't remember the road number. On the main paved road to Trout Lake it was so easy to get a ride. It took me minutes --I did not even get the time to wash the dirt from my face. At the store there's a phone list of local "friends to PCT hikers"to get a ride back to trail for a donation. Cheap rooms above the market. Great food at the gas station restaurant. One of my favorite trail towns Marmot Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Jeffrey Olson wrote: > > I hitched into Trout Lake once from where the trail crosses paved Road 23 - not much traffic. I camped fairly close and was on the road early. I walked halfway to Trout Lake before getting picked up. There was another hiker in the back of the pickup - Warner springs Monte... this must have been 2005. > > Jeff > > >> On 8/16/2016 10:21 AM, Brick Robbins wrote: >> google gave me this answer >> >> http://www.columbian.com/news/2016/may/08/gifford-pinchot-forest-road-no-23-wont-open-in-2016/ >> >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Karen White wrote: >>> Does anyone know if Road 23 is open this summer? Is it a hard hitch? >>> Karen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pct-L mailing list >>> Pct-L at backcountry.net >>> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >>> >>> List Archives: >>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From sdscpcts at yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 14:22:23 2016 From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (sdscpcts) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:22:23 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Need ride(s) for section hike Message-ID: Tuesdays and Fridays there is a bus that leaves Yreka at 3pm and gets to Seiad Valley an hour and a half later. Unfortunately I can't find a way to go from Oregon to Yreka.? ? ? ?Rob? Sent from my Galaxy Tab? A -------- Original message --------From: Christine McClane Date: 8/3/16 10:15 PM (GMT-08:00) To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] Need ride(s) for section hike I'm hiking from Seiad Valley to Fish Lake/hwy 140 August 20-30 or 31. I have a potential ride on the 31st, but I would prefer to finish on the 30th because I have to work on 9/1. How easy would it be to get a hitch from Fish Lake or Lake of the Woods back to Medford/Ashland on a Tuesday if I don't find another ride? I am also looking for a ride to Seiad Valley, preferably from Medford or Ashland. I'm coming from Portland and will also need a place to leave my car, unless I take Greyhound or something down there. Can anyone here help, or point me in the direction of any trail angels, shuttle services, etc? Hoping I won't have to resort to craigslist rideshares and hitching! Thanks, Viewfinder PCT 2009-present _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From veselyjames at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 09:20:50 2016 From: veselyjames at gmail.com (James Vesely) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:20:50 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Bikes? Here we go again. Message-ID: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us/bill-opening-wilderness-areas-to-bikes-also-opens-debate.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-4&action=click&contentCollection=U.S.®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article From 4140lcl at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 17:49:56 2016 From: 4140lcl at gmail.com (Tim Crum) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:49:56 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Anza RV Resort Message-ID: I am doing some planning from my next set of section hikes next spring. My next section will be Scissors X to San Gorgonio Pass in early to mid March (weather depending). I see that Anza RV Resort is approximately 2 miles west of the trail (as the crow flies). I see two roads (Table Mt. Truck Trail and Indian Paint Brush) that intersect the trail (about 2 miles apart). These run into other roads that lead over to the Resort. It looks to be 3-5 miles from the trail depending on the route. Has anyone used Anza RV and accessed it from the Table Mt. Truck Rd. area? If so, how was it? How was the walk in? What route from the trail did you use? How was the store (looks like basic convenience type). I have an e-mail in to the resort but thought I would see if anyone has used them. Thanks ahead for any info. Tim From markowitza25 at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 21:03:46 2016 From: markowitza25 at gmail.com (Aaron Markowitz) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 22:03:46 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Ride from Eastern Sierras to LA Message-ID: Hi there, My hiking partner and I finished up our section hike last week and we're looking for a way back to LA on August 26. Right now we're staying at Lee Vining (town between Mammoth Lakes and Bridgeport) and spending a few final days in the Sierra. If anyone happens to be in the area headed South, we'd really appreciate the ride. Happy to cover gas and share stories from the trail between Kennedy Meadows S and Ashland! Many thanks and happy trails, Pebble and Pika From tnx4asking at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 16:14:41 2016 From: tnx4asking at gmail.com (John Casterline) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:14:41 -0400 Subject: [pct-l] Black diamond Message-ID: Have a Black Diamond Whippet (ice like pick on top) for sale for $65. I paid $99.95. I used for 130 miles this year and it is still in excellent shape. If live in Half Moon Bay area, can pick up. If I have to mail, add $6.00. Contact me offline at tnx4asking at gmail.com -- John Caster____ lungcancerhike.org johnbcasterline.com Facebook From mattbradley1 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 13:23:44 2016 From: mattbradley1 at gmail.com (Matt Bradley) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:23:44 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Need a Ride to Burney Falls Monday Message-ID: Hey, I haven't been active on this list in a long time. I'm headed out for a section hike next week and I'm hoping to find a ride from either Redding or from Burney to Burney Falls SP. Is there anyone in that area who is available on Monday the 29th of August? I'm happy to pay gas money. -- *Matt Bradley* mattbradley1 at gmail.com Co-Founder: Whole Earth Nature School http://WholeEarthSchool.com From sdscpcts at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 21:21:46 2016 From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (Rob Langsdorf) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 02:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] Bikes? Here we go again. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <693139799.2561254.1472610106755@mail.yahoo.com> James, ???? One of the reasons that this issue has come up is that in the creation of the Boulder-White Clouds wilderness area mountain bikers were tossed out of an area that was popular with them with a stroke of Obama's pen: Many are still wincing from last year?s creation of a 431-square-mile wilderness complex in central Idaho called the Boulder-White Clouds. Before it was wilderness, the area was popular with mountain bikers, who had advocated a national monument designation that would have allowed riding to continue. But then a political shift turned momentum toward a wilderness designation, and with the stroke of President Obama?s pen, the trails were closed and the cyclists were out.?It left a bad taste in a lot of peoples? mouths,? said Eric Brown, the trail director at the Whatcom Mountain Bike Coalition. ??? This way of doing things tends to encourage people to fight back. Had the area been made a National Monument, this conflict wouldn't have come up and those who are now pushing for bikes every where wouldn't have the footing that they now have. ??? This issue points out how we need to take care to have hearings, etc. before we just declare a place a wilderness area. ?????????????? Rob From: James Vesely To: pct-l at backcountry.net Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:20 AM Subject: [pct-l] Bikes? Here we go again. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us/bill-opening-wilderness-areas-to-bikes-also-opens-debate.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-4&action=click&contentCollection=U.S.®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article _______________________________________________ Pct-L mailing list Pct-L at backcountry.net To unsubscribe, or change options visit: http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l List Archives: http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.