[pct-l] running on the PCT

[Sage Hiker]

I don't know why people are still confusing the difference between the
allowing or inclusion of trail running and the disallowing of large
production racing events.
Trail running will ALWAYS BE ALLOWED. The PCTA was clear on this
point...However, the practice of "renting" sections of the trail out to
organizations for use as a racing venue will be discontinued. Promises of
"trail work" or "trail maintenence" should not be used as a form of
"currency" for gaining special use rights on the trail.  This will also
apply to ALL current user groups who might try to have events that could
similarly compromise the trails intended experience for other users.

-Sage
On Mar 16, 2015 11:25 AM, "Andrea Dinsmore" <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
wrote:

> Drew.....I am not a hiker or trail runner. I don't understand your
> reasoning on scheduling the trail runners at the same time the herd is
> heading north. Kind of like having a speed of 55 for semi trucks and 70 for
> cars on a one lane road. Another thought....why should a slow hiker be
> asked to side step the faster trail runner coming up from behind ??
>
> Andrea Dinsmore
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Drew Smith <jdrewsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think this is the right approach - managing the problem rather than
> > trying to solve it.  People who try to solve problems invariably create
> new
> > ones.
> >
> > There is no way to ban trail runners, even if it were desirable, so the
> > question here is what to do about organized trail running events.  A
> > reasonable approach would be for the PCTA to reach out to the organizers
> > with our concerns and propose some mitigations that would give everyone
> > what they need (not necessarily all they want).  For example, we could
> > propose to limit the size and number of events; schedule around peak PCT
> > herd times; and most importantly, educate runners on trail courtesy and
> > best practices, as well as stewardship and volunteering opportunities.
> > I'll bet that most of the runners who have behaved rudely simply were off
> > in their own little world (just like hikers) and didn't realize the
> impact
> > of their behavior.
> >
> > This approach would create allies rather than adversaries, which is
> always
> > a lot more effective in the long run.
> >
> > Happy Hour
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Tom Grundy <caver456 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just had a thought as to a potential way to address the conflict.  But,
> > > it's probably already been done, so let me know if it's stale bread?
> The
> > > nice thing is any of us could do it without any need for organization
> or
> > > overhead:
> > >
> > > invite a thought leader or decision maker from the faster /
> competetive /
> > > timed user group to accompany you on a hike (a member of the slower /
> > > non-competetive / non-timed user group) during a competetive event or
> > > anywhere that there's been a high density of conflict.  I.e. invite the
> > > Timberline Marathon organizer to go on a day hike with you on the day
> of
> > > the marathon.  Let him/her bring buddies so they don't feel too awkward
> > or
> > > whatever is needed.  Just go out there with the purpose of enjoying the
> > > trail and doing an experiment - not with the purpose of lecturing them.
> > >
> > > Has anyone tried that?  If so, how did it go?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:16 AM, James Vesely <
> > > JVesely at sstinternational.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > When I come upon someone who is walking a lot slower than me I have
> > never
> > > > ask for them to move out of my way rather I wait till they sense
> that I
> > > am
> > > > there and then I have the patience to wait for them to move over or I
> > > wait
> > > > till I come upon a section of trail that allows me to pass them.
> > > >
> > > > Expecting and or demanding for someone to jump out of your way, is in
> > my
> > > > book always rude and uncourteous.
> > > >
> > > > It is not about who is hoarding the trail 365 days a year it's about
> > > being
> > > > courteous to other people using it and having the patience to accept
> > > that.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > I love running on the PCT. I did so with my pack on multiple times
> > during
> > > > 2013 as I was simply so exhilarated by the surroundings and my level
> of
> > > > fitness, that I just couldn't help but break into a run.
> > > >
> > > > I think it's a bit of a hoarding or selfish attitude for someone to
> say
> > > > that others shouldn't use 2,670 miles of a public resource for all
> 365
> > > days
> > > > of the year because of the few days when that person wants to use it,
> > > they
> > > > want everything to be their way. If we find a way to all share the
> > > resource
> > > > safely, there will be more of us donating time and labor to
> maintaining
> > > > that shared resource and the resource will be healthier for that
> shared
> > > > love.
> > > >
> > > > Whether it's me and a bunch of friends having a friendly competition
> to
> > > > see who can get to town first or whether it's a bunch of strangers
> > > showing
> > > > up to tow the line, I see this as a healthy activity that would
> benefit
> > > the
> > > > trail and I would support continued competitive events along the
> trail.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > 1Pint
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