[pct-l] Coolibar umbrella vs. Go-Lite
Jon Phipps
jonaphipps at hotmail.com
Sat Feb 21 09:46:38 CST 2015
My Go-Lite Chrome Dome was often inverted by strong winds, usually as I rounded some bend around a ridge. It finally was destroyed (still intact, but some ribs broken) on Kennedy Meadows Rd.; slightly good fortune in that the desert was behind me and I could jettison what was now trash at the store.
I now have a Coolibar, which costs $45 (some 50% more than a Chrome Dome, if one can be found) and weighs maybe 3 oz. more; the 2 are about the same size. The Coolibar has a 2-canopy design, much like better golf umbrellas, which makes it stronger and allows wind to pass between the 2 canopies. I've no doubt the Coolibar can withstand higher winds than the Chrome Dome.
1 minor point: I didn't carry the storage sheath for my Chrome Dome; this resulted in some of the reflective, silver coating wearing off. Will sheath my (expensive) Collibar.
Anyone wanting a used Chrome Dome (bought to replace the destroyed one, but before I knew about Coolibar), post to me w/yr. add. and I'll mail it to you, suggesting that you donate a few $ to the underpaid staff at PCT-L. IKIK (my new acronym for: "I kid, I kid", which I think more appropriate than LOL).
Jon Phipps
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> > 1. Re: 2015 and SOBO (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> > 2. One or two months hiking the PCT (Benoit Ballester)
> > 3. One or two months hiking the PCT (Benoit Ballester)
> > 4. Re: One or two months hiking the PCT (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> > 5. "As It Happens" / running time- 1:26:45 / Stunningly
> > exquisite video captures the essence of a 2011 thru hike.
> > (Paint Your Wagon)
> > 6. Re: Camping south of Tehachapi (gary_schenk at verizon.net)
> > 7. Re: Camping south of Tehachapi (Paint Your Wagon)
> > 8. Re: One or two months hiking the PCT (Brian Watt)
> > 9. Re: One or two months hiking the PCT (Benoit Ballester)
> > 10. 2005 data (william jennings)
> > 11. Re: Camping south of Tehachapi (gary_schenk at verizon.net)
> > 12. Re: Camping south of Tehachapi (Tortoise)
> > 13. Sierra Resupply (Leslie LaRocca)
> > 14. Re: Sierra Resupply (Jennifer Zimmerman)
> > 15. Re: Sierra Resupply (marmot marmot)
> > 16. Re: Sierra Resupply (marmot marmot)
> > 17. Re: Sierra Resupply (Ken Powers)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:18:12 -0800
> > From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> > To: "Barry Teschlog" <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>, "PCT L."
> > <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2015 and SOBO
> > Message-ID: <D099F324967241EBA8F9A74FA8C056F3 at NedPC>
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> >
> > Barry's advice is very sound and I would agree whole-heartedly.
> >
> > I would simply add that a true SoBo, starting at Harts to M78, then heading
> > south, with the "normal" snowpack at higher elevations and latitudes and
> > the
> > steep terrain there should not start until July 4th or later to allow the
> > snow to melt off the trailtread. Any slip-and-fall in that terrain will
> > send
> > you sliding into a tree or over a cliff and the resultant injuries would
> > certainly ruin your day and hike!
> >
> > Wait and watch what happens in March and April and adjust your start date
> > and location according to trail conditions and your skill/experience level.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > Mountain Education, Inc.
> > www.mountaineducation.org
> > ned at mountaineducation.org
> >
> >
> > Mission:
> > "To minimize wilderness accidents, injury, and illness in order to maximize
> > wilderness enjoyment, safety, and personal growth, all through experiential
> > education and risk awareness training."
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Barry Teschlog
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 12:18 PM
> > To: PCT L.
> > Subject: [pct-l] 2015 and SOBO
> >
> > In hearing some of those numbers about permits and dates and the like, it's
> > clearly going to be a record breaking year for numbers in So Cal - the herd
> > is going to be epic (I just looked - 1494 from now through the end of May,
> > 679 in the two weeks before KO Sunday). Some individuals are probably
> > considering a SOBO hike to avoid the masses. While the superficial
> > indications are that this may be a year to do so, upon further
> > investigation, it might not be such a great idea or might take a bit of
> > additional flexibility or planning.
> >
> > The last really "good" year to SOBO was probably 2005 when the Cascades of
> > Washington had a very low snow pack. I was a NOBO section hiker that year,
> > going from White Pass / Highway 12 to Snoqualmie Pass / I-90 in the first
> > few days of July. I recall passing dozens of straight up SOBO's and
> > flip-floppers (as 2005 also had a very high Sierra snow pack). Given where
> > I was, the SOBO's and flippers that were starting south from Hart's Pass,
> > would have done so roughly 12-17 or so days prior.
> >
> > First off, what are the superficial indications that 2015 might be a good
> > year to SOBO:
> >
> > 1) The ski areas in Washington are getting crushed by the lack of snow.
> > Snoqualmie Pass (I-90) ski area is shut down until further notice, until
> > they get more snow. Snotel sensors in the Snoqualmie Pass area are at epic
> > low values, indicating ~1-2 feet of snow cover as of this date.
> >
> > 2) Stevens Pass (US 2) Snotel sensors are, on this date, nearly as low as
> > the 2005 values on the same date. 2005 was a banner year to SOBO.
> >
> > 3) Western Washington has had a very warm winter. Not that it's been a
> > dry
> > winter, as rain totals are not super low, but certainly a warm one - see
> > the
> > above ski areas.
> >
> > The anticipated sheer numbers in So Cal and other factors (So Cal drought
> > for example) might make a person who wants to avoid the mass herd in So Cal
> > knee jerk to a SOBO hike. Fair enough......but be sure to look closely at
> > all the information before deciding, or make your plans according to the
> > actual conditions. It's not so simple.......
> >
> > Check out the Harts Pass and Rainy Pass Snotel sensors. For perspective,
> > Hart's Pass is ~30 miles from the border and is the northernmost drivable
> > access point on the PCT. Rainy Pass is where the PCT crosses the North
> > Cascades Highway, ~31 miles south of Hart's Pass and ~20 miles north of
> > Stehekin. These are at a significantly higher elevation than Stevens Pass
> > and the areas around Snoqualmie Pass.
> >
> > The Harts and Rainy Pass snotel sensors are showing incredibly close to
> > normal levels of snow pack for this time of year, in stark contrast to the
> > values on this date from 2005 and in stark contrast to those at lower
> > elevations or further south.
> >
> > While it's too soon to hazard a guess at what will happen, prudence
> > indicates that a person considering a SOBO this year should plan for at
> > least a "normal" progression of snow from this point forward and then the
> > subsequent melt off. "Best case" for a SOBO (although worst from a water
> > supply perspective) would be for it to stop snowing at higher elevations
> > and
> > for a fast melt. Worst case for a SOBO-er would be for heavier than normal
> > snow going forward and a slow melt off.
> >
> > Note that typically, the north Cascades don't max out the snow pack until
> > early to mid April. Even in 2005, there were significant accumulations
> > after mid February and before mid April, and the areas has also had late
> > melt offs in 2011 and 2012.
> >
> > Given the pretty normal snow at higher elevations at the north end of the
> > trail, potential SOBO-ers should consider alternate start points and
> > strategies that would avoid the highest, northernmost parts of the trail,
> > at
> > least at the start of the SOBO. Consider getting on at Stevens Pass /
> > Highway 2 or Snoqualmie Pass / I-90 in lieu of at Hart's Pass and just go
> > south. Flip back north at an appropriate time to bag those miles (say from
> > Ashland, to pick a point with convenient air, rail and bus service to and
> > from the Seattle area and that takes a bit of time to hike to, allowing the
> > melt to happen).
> >
> > YMMV. HYOH. 2 cents. Free advice being worth what is paid. Yadda,
> > yadda,
> > yadda.....
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:23:10 +0100
> > From: Benoit Ballester <senasplage at gmail.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
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> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'd like to hike the PCT for at least a month (or possibly two months if I
> > can take an extra month off work).
> >
> > I'd like to know which section of the PCT I could hike in one month (or
> > two months).
> > I would fly from France possibly mid-June.
> > I am thinking about starting from Kennedy Meadows up to Echo Lake for a
> > month of hiking (20 days at ~20mi/d).
> > If I can get two months, then I would carry on and plan 40 days of solid
> > hiking at ~20mi/d.
> >
> > Please let me know if you can think of a better section to do on the PCT.
> >
> > Any advices are of course more than welcome.
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:59:12 +0100
> > From: Benoit Ballester <senasplage at gmail.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> > Message-ID: <DC749227-D64F-4023-BE0F-CC815B36524B at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'd like to hike the PCT for at least a month (or possibly two months if I
> > can take an extra month off work).
> >
> > I'd like to know which section of the PCT I could hike in one month (or
> > two months).
> > I would fly from France possibly mid-June.
> > I am thinking about starting from Kennedy Meadows up to Echo Lake for a
> > month of hiking (20 days at ~20mi/d).
> > If I can get two months, then I would carry on and plan 40 days of solid
> > hiking at ~20mi/d.
> >
> > Please let me know if you can think of a better section to do on the PCT.
> >
> > Any advices are of course more than welcome.
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:43:32 -0800
> > From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> > To: "Benoit Ballester" <senasplage at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> > Message-ID: <641B60B8678F46C3A7079B37CD2652A3 at NedPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Benoit,
> >
> > My two recommendations would have to be,
> >
> > - The Sierra, from Kennedy Meadows to Tahoe, and
> > - The Cascades, Oregon and Washington (or Washington alone, depending on
> > your speed and ability)
> >
> >
> >
> > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > Mountain Education, Inc.
> > www.mountaineducation.org
> > ned at mountaineducation.org
> >
> >
> > Mission:
> > "To minimize wilderness accidents, injury, and illness in order to maximize
> > wilderness enjoyment, safety, and personal growth, all through experiential
> > education and risk awareness training."
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Benoit Ballester
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:59 AM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'd like to hike the PCT for at least a month (or possibly two months if I
> > can take an extra month off work).
> >
> > I'd like to know which section of the PCT I could hike in one month (or two
> > months).
> > I would fly from France possibly mid-June.
> > I am thinking about starting from Kennedy Meadows up to Echo Lake for a
> > month of hiking (20 days at ~20mi/d).
> > If I can get two months, then I would carry on and plan 40 days of solid
> > hiking at ~20mi/d.
> >
> > Please let me know if you can think of a better section to do on the PCT.
> >
> > Any advices are of course more than welcome.
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:00:45 -0700
> > From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: [pct-l] "As It Happens" / running time- 1:26:45 / Stunningly
> > exquisite video captures the essence of a 2011 thru hike.
> > Message-ID: <BLU184-DS1888C55FA954236ACC4CCE9B2F0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Just polished this video off-
> > (my belly?s full)
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIvyuazEoaw
> >
> > Most excellent.
> > Be patient...
> > and watch the whole thing.
> >
> > Well done,
> > with a few slow segments.
> > Gorgeous cinematography.
> > Extemporaneous pulse.
> >
> > Work safe- lol.
> >
> > PaintYW.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:36:37 -0600 (CST)
> > From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Camping south of Tehachapi
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > 15956307.333901.1424205397584.JavaMail.root at vznit170060.mailsrvcs.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > On 02/17/15, Paint Your Wagon wrote:
> > Anyway- slap my butt and call me Red.
> > ******************************************************************
> >
> > Hi, Red!
> > :-)
> > When I first came to California from Indiana back in the Pleistocene, I
> > thought California was all desert, too. Then I discovered the wonderful
> > California desert. Now I know.
> >
> > It's all good!
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:58:56 -0700
> > From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Camping south of Tehachapi
> > Message-ID: <BLU184-DS21C0AD598F86B6E565D5B19B2F0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Lets lay the blame where it belongs!
> >
> > Those dog gone high sierra (Yogi- note: singular use applied correctly)
> > mountains,
> > block the dang-burn rain from reaching the eastern sierra flank,
> > thus strangulating the whole enchilada until it cries uncle.
> > This casts a desert spell on much of the PCT?s territorial grip in
> > California.
> > Indiana?
> > Me old self originates from next door in Illinois (the ?s? is silent
> > folks.)
> > Maybe we?ll cross paths someday,
> > and one of us will have a flask of ?Kickapoo joy juice? to share with the
> > other.
> >
> > PaintYW
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:16:36 -0600
> > From: Brian Watt <bwatt at 1fifoto.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> > Message-ID: <54E3AFB4.9050803 at 1fifoto.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > I agree with Ned's choices.
> >
> > For some actual data, I was a thru-hiker this past year. It took me 22
> > days from Kennedy Meadows (PCT mile 702.2) to South Lake Tahoe at
> > Highway 50 (PCT mile 1094.5) with an average of 17.8 mi/day and one zero
> > day. I resupplied at Kennedy Meadows, Independence California (took a
> > zero day here), VVR, and South Lake Tahoe California. To Kennedy Meadows
> > I sent in my bear canister and snow gear there. From South Lake Tahoe I
> > send them all home. I think that your Kennedy Meadows to Echo Lake/South
> > Lake Tahoe is doable in just over 20 days. The Sierra Nevada mountains
> > are spectacular.
> >
> > For some more data, it took me 20 days from Sisters Oregon (PCT mile
> > 1989.5) to Snoqualmie Washington (PCT mile 2402.0) with an average of
> > 20.6 mi/day and one zero day. I resupplied at Sisters Oregon, Ollalie
> > Lake Resort, Timberline Lodge, Cascade Locks Oregon (took a zero day
> > here), White Pass Washington, and Snoqualmie Pass Washington. I also
> > think this is a doable section in about 20 days. And again, the Cascade
> > mountains are spectacular too especially the Goat Rocks Wilderness'
> > knife edge at PCT mile 2285.
> >
> > I would consider them in that order with the Sierra Nevada mountains
> > first and the Cascades second, but my favorite of the trail was the
> > knife edge. If you can get two months, then I would do both!
> >
> > SIncerely,
> > Bri/Tartan
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:35:31 +0100
> > From: Benoit Ballester <senasplage at gmail.com>
> > Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> > Message-ID: <E291EBC0-3C85-4352-9728-EFE1D3687312 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Thanks Ned, Marmot and Brian for you advices. I will study them thoroughly.
> > Indeed getting to the trail from SF (and back) as to be taken into account
> > in the choice of sections
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > On 17 Feb 2015, at 20:43, <ned at mountaineducation.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Benoit,
> > >
> > > My two recommendations would have to be,
> > >
> > > - The Sierra, from Kennedy Meadows to Tahoe, and
> > > - The Cascades, Oregon and Washington (or Washington alone, depending on
> > your speed and ability)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > > Mountain Education, Inc.
> > > www.mountaineducation.org
> > > ned at mountaineducation.org
> > >
> > >
> > > Mission:
> > > "To minimize wilderness accidents, injury, and illness in order to
> > maximize wilderness enjoyment, safety, and personal growth, all through
> > experiential education and risk awareness training."
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Benoit Ballester
> > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:59 AM
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I'd like to hike the PCT for at least a month (or possibly two months if
> > I can take an extra month off work).
> > >
> > > I'd like to know which section of the PCT I could hike in one month (or
> > two months).
> > > I would fly from France possibly mid-June.
> > > I am thinking about starting from Kennedy Meadows up to Echo Lake for a
> > month of hiking (20 days at ~20mi/d).
> > > If I can get two months, then I would carry on and plan 40 days of solid
> > hiking at ~20mi/d.
> > >
> > > Please let me know if you can think of a better section to do on the PCT.
> > >
> > > Any advices are of course more than welcome.
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Ben
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Pct-L mailing list
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 01:00:08 +0000
> > From: william jennings <mrjenn at hotmail.com>
> > To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: [pct-l] 2005 data
> > Message-ID: <BLU172-W484C45045B6463470A8559DF2C0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > 2005 did have an inordinate number of flip-floppers - 30. There were 159
> > finishers and
> > 20 of those were sectional hikers, 11 southbounders, so 98 NOBO's made it
> > straight thru.
> > The PCTA 2600 mile list:
> > is in disarray, as you can tell by the first entries. It gets worse in
> > 2006 and 2007 before
> > straightning out.
> > Names for "Letterman", "Sherpa", "Bizness as Usual", and Bryan "Hiker Bum"
> > are unknown.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:52:00 -0600 (CST)
> > From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Camping south of Tehachapi
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > 32775387.488556.1424224320249.JavaMail.root at vznit170182.mailsrvcs.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > On 02/17/15, Paint Your Wagon wrote:
> >
> > Indiana?
> > Me old self originates from next door in Illinois (the 's' is silent
> > folks.)
> > ********************************************************
> >
> > Not in Indiana...
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:34:44 -0800
> > From: Tortoise <tortoise73 at charter.net>
> > To: PCT-list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Cc: Paint Your Wagon <n801yz at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Camping south of Tehachapi
> > Message-ID: <9C844C84-B14A-470C-B0B8-33E7DA97224B at charter.net>
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> >
> > Since we're picking at this nit, sierra is Spanish for mountain range or
> > mountain chain. Nevada translates as snowfall or snowstorm. Thus "Sierra
> > Mountains" is "mountain range mountains".
> >
> > I live in the San Francisco Bay area for 30 years. Often I heard people
> > refer to the Sierra Nevada as the Sierras.
> >
> > All for now. Happy trails.
> >
> > Tortoise
> >
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> >
> > Dictated / Typoed on my iPad.
> >
> > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 12:58, Paint Your Wagon <n801yz at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Lets lay the blame where it belongs!
> > >
> > > Those dog gone high sierra (Yogi- note: singular use applied correctly)
> > mountains,
> > > block the dang-burn rain from reaching the eastern sierra flank,
> > > thus strangulating the whole enchilada until it cries uncle.
> > > This casts a desert spell on much of the PCT?s territorial grip in
> > California.
> > > Indiana?
> > > Me old self originates from next door in Illinois (the ?s? is silent
> > folks.)
> > > Maybe we?ll cross paths someday,
> > > and one of us will have a flask of ?Kickapoo joy juice? to share with
> > the other.
> > >
> > > PaintYW
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> > Message: 13
> > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:22:25 -0800
> > From: Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Sierra Resupply
> > Message-ID:
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> > I am reviewing my schedule this morning...is it really unrealistic to go
> > from KM all the way to VVR with no resupply in between? Yes, I'm doing
> > Whitney. In Yogis guide, people's opinions go both ways. I'm actually
> > really drawn to the challenge, but would like any opinions others can
> > offer.
> > Thanks! Leslie
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:38:02 -0600
> > From: Jennifer Zimmerman <jenniferlzim at gmail.com>
> > To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra Resupply
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > KM to VVR in one shot is totally do-able. I knew of a lot of hikers who
> > did this in 2013 - a low snow year though, so hiking might have gone faster
> > than over normal snowpack. I personally really enjoyed the hike out to
> > Onion Valley via Kearsarge Pass. It was one of the most scenic parts of the
> > trail and Bishop was a great town for a zero.
> >
> > On the way down to the trailhead we met a couple returning to the PCT via
> > the pass. They had planned to go straight through to VVR but felt worn
> > down/hungry and decided to take a zero in the valley. So, I guess what I'm
> > saying is, you could plan to do KM-VVR but reserve the right to change your
> > mind if the altitude is kicking your butt.
> >
> > Enjoy your hike! Not long now!
> >
> > JZ
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I am reviewing my schedule this morning...is it really unrealistic to go
> > > from KM all the way to VVR with no resupply in between? Yes, I'm doing
> > > Whitney. In Yogis guide, people's opinions go both ways. I'm actually
> > > really drawn to the challenge, but would like any opinions others can
> > > offer.
> > > Thanks! Leslie
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> > Message: 15
> > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:46:13 -0800
> > From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> > To: Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra Resupply
> > Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS4045AD3655039B0B828F9FDC82C0 at phx.gbl>
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> >
> > In the olden days that's what everyone used to do. Depends on the snow
> > pack. You have 3/4 bailout /resupply spots if it starts to feel like too
> > much. I comfortably did 24 miles a day from Kennedy Meadows to
> > Independence. Then slowed a bit But did not have much snow either time. I
> > vaguely remember most folks thought Kennedy to VVR was a 10 to 12 day trip.
> > But that's when packs were heavier. I resupplied the first trip in
> > Independence. It took 6 1/2 days to go Independence to Tuolumne. I'm a slow
> > hiker
> > Marmot
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I am reviewing my schedule this morning...is it really unrealistic to go
> > > from KM all the way to VVR with no resupply in between? Yes, I'm doing
> > > Whitney. In Yogis guide, people's opinions go both ways. I'm actually
> > > really drawn to the challenge, but would like any opinions others can
> > offer.
> > > Thanks! Leslie
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> > Message: 16
> > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:56:45 -0800
> > From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> > To: Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra Resupply
> > Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS40332C5B2676D6D394CEABAC82C0 at phx.gbl>
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> >
> > Don't count on it but it is possible to yogi food from SB JMT hikers. They
> > always have too much And there can be food in hiker box at MTR
> > Marmot
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 18, 2015, at 9:46 AM, marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > In the olden days that's what everyone used to do. Depends on the snow
> > pack. You have 3/4 bailout /resupply spots if it starts to feel like too
> > much. I comfortably did 24 miles a day from Kennedy Meadows to
> > Independence. Then slowed a bit But did not have much snow either time. I
> > vaguely remember most folks thought Kennedy to VVR was a 10 to 12 day trip.
> > But that's when packs were heavier. I resupplied the first trip in
> > Independence. It took 6 1/2 days to go Independence to Tuolumne. I'm a slow
> > hiker
> > > Marmot
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I am reviewing my schedule this morning...is it really unrealistic to go
> > >> from KM all the way to VVR with no resupply in between? Yes, I'm doing
> > >> Whitney. In Yogis guide, people's opinions go both ways. I'm actually
> > >> really drawn to the challenge, but would like any opinions others can
> > offer.
> > >> Thanks! Leslie
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> > Message: 17
> > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:57:38 -0800
> > From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
> > To: Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra Resupply
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > We have done it twice (2000 & 2007) - 2 people with one bear canister.
> >
> > www.gottawalk.com/planning/packing-a-bear-canister
> >
> > The food was the same every day and pretty boring. We were hiking at a
> > calorie deficit, but made it up when eating at VVR.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I am reviewing my schedule this morning...is it really unrealistic to go
> > > from KM all the way to VVR with no resupply in between? Yes, I'm doing
> > > Whitney. In Yogis guide, people's opinions go both ways. I'm actually
> > > really drawn to the challenge, but would like any opinions others can
> > offer.
> > > Thanks! Leslie
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:08:32 -0800
> From: Stephen Adams <reddirt23 at att.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fwd: [Sierra-Club-Angeles-Chapter-TCH] Yosemite
> 8000' no snow
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> Yeah, it looks pretty thin up there. Just got a good look at the Sierra Crest on the way back from Saline Valley.
> I tend to use the north face of Split Mtn when I head up early season for hiking etc, say early June.
> Anyway, It's mid Feb and I can still see rocks on that face, and very little accumulation anywhere. I've seen more snowpack up there some years in Oct. It may still dump, but starting to look like the drought will cont...
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 06:15:57 -0800
> From: Betty Wheeler <bettywheeler at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT on KUOW today
> Message-ID:
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> Here's a link where you can hear the radio segment. The first 5 minutes are
> an interview with Jack Haskel, followed by Carolyn.
> http://kuow.org/post/wild-means-more-hikers-pct-and-more-poop
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Kit Ravensong <kitravensong at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Sometime between 12:20 and 1:00 today is a program on the PCT and
> > implications regarding Wild in the cinema. I was interviewed last week, as
> > well as several other veteran hikers and the PCTA. It will be posted on
> > their website afterwards as well.
> > Ravensong
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:01:19 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> To: Benoit Ballester <senasplage at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<Pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
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> Yup, Ned and Brian have the two sections pegged. You can't go wrong with
> the High Sierra or the Northern Cascades. If you want gorgeous country,
> both sections are the tops on the trail, and mid June will give you some
> snow, but very hike able conditions. And if the drought continues, it
> shouldn't be too bad difficult.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Benoit Ballester <senasplage at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Ned, Marmot and Brian for you advices. I will study them thoroughly.
> > Indeed getting to the trail from SF (and back) as to be taken into account
> > in the choice of sections
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > On 17 Feb 2015, at 20:43, <ned at mountaineducation.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Benoit,
> > >
> > > My two recommendations would have to be,
> > >
> > > - The Sierra, from Kennedy Meadows to Tahoe, and
> > > - The Cascades, Oregon and Washington (or Washington alone, depending on
> > your speed and ability)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > > Mountain Education, Inc.
> > > www.mountaineducation.org
> > > ned at mountaineducation.org
> > >
> > >
> > > Mission:
> > > "To minimize wilderness accidents, injury, and illness in order to
> > maximize wilderness enjoyment, safety, and personal growth, all through
> > experiential education and risk awareness training."
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Benoit Ballester
> > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:59 AM
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I'd like to hike the PCT for at least a month (or possibly two months if
> > I can take an extra month off work).
> > >
> > > I'd like to know which section of the PCT I could hike in one month (or
> > two months).
> > > I would fly from France possibly mid-June.
> > > I am thinking about starting from Kennedy Meadows up to Echo Lake for a
> > month of hiking (20 days at ~20mi/d).
> > > If I can get two months, then I would carry on and plan 40 days of solid
> > hiking at ~20mi/d.
> > >
> > > Please let me know if you can think of a better section to do on the PCT.
> > >
> > > Any advices are of course more than welcome.
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Ben
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:52:40 -0800
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
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> Right now the northern part of Washington only has 14% of their normal
> amount. Half of the Washington ski areas are closed or close to closing.
> Watch the weather up here. Sometimes we get a big dump in early April.
>
> Andrea
> PCT MOM
> On Feb 20, 2015 8:03 AM, "Scott Williams" <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yup, Ned and Brian have the two sections pegged. You can't go wrong with
> > the High Sierra or the Northern Cascades. If you want gorgeous country,
> > both sections are the tops on the trail, and mid June will give you some
> > snow, but very hike able conditions. And if the drought continues, it
> > shouldn't be too bad difficult.
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Benoit Ballester <senasplage at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Ned, Marmot and Brian for you advices. I will study them
> > thoroughly.
> > > Indeed getting to the trail from SF (and back) as to be taken into
> > account
> > > in the choice of sections
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 17 Feb 2015, at 20:43, <ned at mountaineducation.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Benoit,
> > > >
> > > > My two recommendations would have to be,
> > > >
> > > > - The Sierra, from Kennedy Meadows to Tahoe, and
> > > > - The Cascades, Oregon and Washington (or Washington alone, depending
> > on
> > > your speed and ability)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > > > Mountain Education, Inc.
> > > > www.mountaineducation.org
> > > > ned at mountaineducation.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mission:
> > > > "To minimize wilderness accidents, injury, and illness in order to
> > > maximize wilderness enjoyment, safety, and personal growth, all through
> > > experiential education and risk awareness training."
> > > > -----Original Message----- From: Benoit Ballester
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:59 AM
> > > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > > Subject: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to hike the PCT for at least a month (or possibly two months
> > if
> > > I can take an extra month off work).
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to know which section of the PCT I could hike in one month (or
> > > two months).
> > > > I would fly from France possibly mid-June.
> > > > I am thinking about starting from Kennedy Meadows up to Echo Lake for a
> > > month of hiking (20 days at ~20mi/d).
> > > > If I can get two months, then I would carry on and plan 40 days of
> > solid
> > > hiking at ~20mi/d.
> > > >
> > > > Please let me know if you can think of a better section to do on the
> > PCT.
> > > >
> > > > Any advices are of course more than welcome.
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Ben
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 9:41:56 -0800
> From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
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> After review of the Harts Pass data since 2009, it is fair to state the snow levels are 14% below normal or 86% of normal. Just saying it's not 14% of normal.
> There's still plenty of snow.
>
> Thumper
>
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