[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 86, Issue 19
Christopher Bender
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Thu Feb 19 12:07:19 CST 2015
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> 1. Re: 2015 and SOBO (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 2. One or two months hiking the PCT (Benoit Ballester)
> 3. One or two months hiking the PCT (Benoit Ballester)
> 4. Re: One or two months hiking the PCT (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 5. "As It Happens" / running time- 1:26:45 / Stunningly
> exquisite video captures the essence of a 2011 thru hike.
> (Paint Your Wagon)
> 6. Re: Camping south of Tehachapi (gary_schenk at verizon.net)
> 7. Re: Camping south of Tehachapi (Paint Your Wagon)
> 8. Re: One or two months hiking the PCT (Brian Watt)
> 9. Re: One or two months hiking the PCT (Benoit Ballester)
> 10. 2005 data (william jennings)
> 11. Re: Camping south of Tehachapi (gary_schenk at verizon.net)
> 12. Re: Camping south of Tehachapi (Tortoise)
> 13. Sierra Resupply (Leslie LaRocca)
> 14. Re: Sierra Resupply (Jennifer Zimmerman)
> 15. Re: Sierra Resupply (marmot marmot)
> 16. Re: Sierra Resupply (marmot marmot)
> 17. Re: Sierra Resupply (Ken Powers)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:18:12 -0800
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> To: "Barry Teschlog" <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>, "PCT L."
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2015 and SOBO
> Message-ID: <D099F324967241EBA8F9A74FA8C056F3 at NedPC>
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>
> Barry's advice is very sound and I would agree whole-heartedly.
>
> I would simply add that a true SoBo, starting at Harts to M78, then heading
> south, with the "normal" snowpack at higher elevations and latitudes and
> the
> steep terrain there should not start until July 4th or later to allow the
> snow to melt off the trailtread. Any slip-and-fall in that terrain will
> send
> you sliding into a tree or over a cliff and the resultant injuries would
> certainly ruin your day and hike!
>
> Wait and watch what happens in March and April and adjust your start date
> and location according to trail conditions and your skill/experience level.
>
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education, Inc.
> www.mountaineducation.org
> ned at mountaineducation.org
>
>
> Mission:
> "To minimize wilderness accidents, injury, and illness in order to maximize
> wilderness enjoyment, safety, and personal growth, all through experiential
> education and risk awareness training."
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Teschlog
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 12:18 PM
> To: PCT L.
> Subject: [pct-l] 2015 and SOBO
>
> In hearing some of those numbers about permits and dates and the like, it's
> clearly going to be a record breaking year for numbers in So Cal - the herd
> is going to be epic (I just looked - 1494 from now through the end of May,
> 679 in the two weeks before KO Sunday). Some individuals are probably
> considering a SOBO hike to avoid the masses. While the superficial
> indications are that this may be a year to do so, upon further
> investigation, it might not be such a great idea or might take a bit of
> additional flexibility or planning.
>
> The last really "good" year to SOBO was probably 2005 when the Cascades of
> Washington had a very low snow pack. I was a NOBO section hiker that year,
> going from White Pass / Highway 12 to Snoqualmie Pass / I-90 in the first
> few days of July. I recall passing dozens of straight up SOBO's and
> flip-floppers (as 2005 also had a very high Sierra snow pack). Given where
> I was, the SOBO's and flippers that were starting south from Hart's Pass,
> would have done so roughly 12-17 or so days prior.
>
> First off, what are the superficial indications that 2015 might be a good
> year to SOBO:
>
> 1) The ski areas in Washington are getting crushed by the lack of snow.
> Snoqualmie Pass (I-90) ski area is shut down until further notice, until
> they get more snow. Snotel sensors in the Snoqualmie Pass area are at epic
> low values, indicating ~1-2 feet of snow cover as of this date.
>
> 2) Stevens Pass (US 2) Snotel sensors are, on this date, nearly as low as
> the 2005 values on the same date. 2005 was a banner year to SOBO.
>
> 3) Western Washington has had a very warm winter. Not that it's been a
> dry
> winter, as rain totals are not super low, but certainly a warm one - see
> the
> above ski areas.
>
> The anticipated sheer numbers in So Cal and other factors (So Cal drought
> for example) might make a person who wants to avoid the mass herd in So Cal
> knee jerk to a SOBO hike. Fair enough......but be sure to look closely at
> all the information before deciding, or make your plans according to the
> actual conditions. It's not so simple.......
>
> Check out the Harts Pass and Rainy Pass Snotel sensors. For perspective,
> Hart's Pass is ~30 miles from the border and is the northernmost drivable
> access point on the PCT. Rainy Pass is where the PCT crosses the North
> Cascades Highway, ~31 miles south of Hart's Pass and ~20 miles north of
> Stehekin. These are at a significantly higher elevation than Stevens Pass
> and the areas around Snoqualmie Pass.
>
> The Harts and Rainy Pass snotel sensors are showing incredibly close to
> normal levels of snow pack for this time of year, in stark contrast to the
> values on this date from 2005 and in stark contrast to those at lower
> elevations or further south.
>
> While it's too soon to hazard a guess at what will happen, prudence
> indicates that a person considering a SOBO this year should plan for at
> least a "normal" progression of snow from this point forward and then the
> subsequent melt off. "Best case" for a SOBO (although worst from a water
> supply perspective) would be for it to stop snowing at higher elevations
> and
> for a fast melt. Worst case for a SOBO-er would be for heavier than normal
> snow going forward and a slow melt off.
>
> Note that typically, the north Cascades don't max out the snow pack until
> early to mid April. Even in 2005, there were significant accumulations
> after mid February and before mid April, and the areas has also had late
> melt offs in 2011 and 2012.
>
> Given the pretty normal snow at higher elevations at the north end of the
> trail, potential SOBO-ers should consider alternate start points and
> strategies that would avoid the highest, northernmost parts of the trail,
> at
> least at the start of the SOBO. Consider getting on at Stevens Pass /
> Highway 2 or Snoqualmie Pass / I-90 in lieu of at Hart's Pass and just go
> south. Flip back north at an appropriate time to bag those miles (say from
> Ashland, to pick a point with convenient air, rail and bus service to and
> from the Seattle area and that takes a bit of time to hike to, allowing the
> melt to happen).
>
> YMMV. HYOH. 2 cents. Free advice being worth what is paid. Yadda,
> yadda,
> yadda.....
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:23:10 +0100
> From: Benoit Ballester <senasplage at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I'd like to hike the PCT for at least a month (or possibly two months if I
> can take an extra month off work).
>
> I'd like to know which section of the PCT I could hike in one month (or
> two months).
> I would fly from France possibly mid-June.
> I am thinking about starting from Kennedy Meadows up to Echo Lake for a
> month of hiking (20 days at ~20mi/d).
> If I can get two months, then I would carry on and plan 40 days of solid
> hiking at ~20mi/d.
>
> Please let me know if you can think of a better section to do on the PCT.
>
> Any advices are of course more than welcome.
> Cheers,
>
> Ben
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:59:12 +0100
> From: Benoit Ballester <senasplage at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> Message-ID: <DC749227-D64F-4023-BE0F-CC815B36524B at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'd like to hike the PCT for at least a month (or possibly two months if I
> can take an extra month off work).
>
> I'd like to know which section of the PCT I could hike in one month (or
> two months).
> I would fly from France possibly mid-June.
> I am thinking about starting from Kennedy Meadows up to Echo Lake for a
> month of hiking (20 days at ~20mi/d).
> If I can get two months, then I would carry on and plan 40 days of solid
> hiking at ~20mi/d.
>
> Please let me know if you can think of a better section to do on the PCT.
>
> Any advices are of course more than welcome.
> Cheers,
>
> Ben
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:43:32 -0800
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> To: "Benoit Ballester" <senasplage at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> Message-ID: <641B60B8678F46C3A7079B37CD2652A3 at NedPC>
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>
> Benoit,
>
> My two recommendations would have to be,
>
> - The Sierra, from Kennedy Meadows to Tahoe, and
> - The Cascades, Oregon and Washington (or Washington alone, depending on
> your speed and ability)
>
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education, Inc.
> www.mountaineducation.org
> ned at mountaineducation.org
>
>
> Mission:
> "To minimize wilderness accidents, injury, and illness in order to maximize
> wilderness enjoyment, safety, and personal growth, all through experiential
> education and risk awareness training."
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benoit Ballester
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:59 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'd like to hike the PCT for at least a month (or possibly two months if I
> can take an extra month off work).
>
> I'd like to know which section of the PCT I could hike in one month (or two
> months).
> I would fly from France possibly mid-June.
> I am thinking about starting from Kennedy Meadows up to Echo Lake for a
> month of hiking (20 days at ~20mi/d).
> If I can get two months, then I would carry on and plan 40 days of solid
> hiking at ~20mi/d.
>
> Please let me know if you can think of a better section to do on the PCT.
>
> Any advices are of course more than welcome.
> Cheers,
>
> Ben
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:00:45 -0700
> From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] "As It Happens" / running time- 1:26:45 / Stunningly
> exquisite video captures the essence of a 2011 thru hike.
> Message-ID: <BLU184-DS1888C55FA954236ACC4CCE9B2F0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Just polished this video off-
> (my belly?s full)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIvyuazEoaw
>
> Most excellent.
> Be patient...
> and watch the whole thing.
>
> Well done,
> with a few slow segments.
> Gorgeous cinematography.
> Extemporaneous pulse.
>
> Work safe- lol.
>
> PaintYW.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:36:37 -0600 (CST)
> From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Camping south of Tehachapi
> Message-ID:
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> On 02/17/15, Paint Your Wagon wrote:
> Anyway- slap my butt and call me Red.
> ******************************************************************
>
> Hi, Red!
> :-)
> When I first came to California from Indiana back in the Pleistocene, I
> thought California was all desert, too. Then I discovered the wonderful
> California desert. Now I know.
>
> It's all good!
>
> Gary
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:58:56 -0700
> From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Camping south of Tehachapi
> Message-ID: <BLU184-DS21C0AD598F86B6E565D5B19B2F0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Lets lay the blame where it belongs!
>
> Those dog gone high sierra (Yogi- note: singular use applied correctly)
> mountains,
> block the dang-burn rain from reaching the eastern sierra flank,
> thus strangulating the whole enchilada until it cries uncle.
> This casts a desert spell on much of the PCT?s territorial grip in
> California.
> Indiana?
> Me old self originates from next door in Illinois (the ?s? is silent
> folks.)
> Maybe we?ll cross paths someday,
> and one of us will have a flask of ?Kickapoo joy juice? to share with the
> other.
>
> PaintYW
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:16:36 -0600
> From: Brian Watt <bwatt at 1fifoto.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> Message-ID: <54E3AFB4.9050803 at 1fifoto.com>
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>
> Hi Ben,
>
> I agree with Ned's choices.
>
> For some actual data, I was a thru-hiker this past year. It took me 22
> days from Kennedy Meadows (PCT mile 702.2) to South Lake Tahoe at
> Highway 50 (PCT mile 1094.5) with an average of 17.8 mi/day and one zero
> day. I resupplied at Kennedy Meadows, Independence California (took a
> zero day here), VVR, and South Lake Tahoe California. To Kennedy Meadows
> I sent in my bear canister and snow gear there. From South Lake Tahoe I
> send them all home. I think that your Kennedy Meadows to Echo Lake/South
> Lake Tahoe is doable in just over 20 days. The Sierra Nevada mountains
> are spectacular.
>
> For some more data, it took me 20 days from Sisters Oregon (PCT mile
> 1989.5) to Snoqualmie Washington (PCT mile 2402.0) with an average of
> 20.6 mi/day and one zero day. I resupplied at Sisters Oregon, Ollalie
> Lake Resort, Timberline Lodge, Cascade Locks Oregon (took a zero day
> here), White Pass Washington, and Snoqualmie Pass Washington. I also
> think this is a doable section in about 20 days. And again, the Cascade
> mountains are spectacular too especially the Goat Rocks Wilderness'
> knife edge at PCT mile 2285.
>
> I would consider them in that order with the Sierra Nevada mountains
> first and the Cascades second, but my favorite of the trail was the
> knife edge. If you can get two months, then I would do both!
>
> SIncerely,
> Bri/Tartan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:35:31 +0100
> From: Benoit Ballester <senasplage at gmail.com>
> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> Message-ID: <E291EBC0-3C85-4352-9728-EFE1D3687312 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Thanks Ned, Marmot and Brian for you advices. I will study them thoroughly.
> Indeed getting to the trail from SF (and back) as to be taken into account
> in the choice of sections
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> On 17 Feb 2015, at 20:43, <ned at mountaineducation.org> wrote:
>
> > Benoit,
> >
> > My two recommendations would have to be,
> >
> > - The Sierra, from Kennedy Meadows to Tahoe, and
> > - The Cascades, Oregon and Washington (or Washington alone, depending on
> your speed and ability)
> >
> >
> >
> > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > Mountain Education, Inc.
> > www.mountaineducation.org
> > ned at mountaineducation.org
> >
> >
> > Mission:
> > "To minimize wilderness accidents, injury, and illness in order to
> maximize wilderness enjoyment, safety, and personal growth, all through
> experiential education and risk awareness training."
> > -----Original Message----- From: Benoit Ballester
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:59 AM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] One or two months hiking the PCT
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'd like to hike the PCT for at least a month (or possibly two months if
> I can take an extra month off work).
> >
> > I'd like to know which section of the PCT I could hike in one month (or
> two months).
> > I would fly from France possibly mid-June.
> > I am thinking about starting from Kennedy Meadows up to Echo Lake for a
> month of hiking (20 days at ~20mi/d).
> > If I can get two months, then I would carry on and plan 40 days of solid
> hiking at ~20mi/d.
> >
> > Please let me know if you can think of a better section to do on the PCT.
> >
> > Any advices are of course more than welcome.
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 01:00:08 +0000
> From: william jennings <mrjenn at hotmail.com>
> To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] 2005 data
> Message-ID: <BLU172-W484C45045B6463470A8559DF2C0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> 2005 did have an inordinate number of flip-floppers - 30. There were 159
> finishers and
> 20 of those were sectional hikers, 11 southbounders, so 98 NOBO's made it
> straight thru.
> The PCTA 2600 mile list:
> is in disarray, as you can tell by the first entries. It gets worse in
> 2006 and 2007 before
> straightning out.
> Names for "Letterman", "Sherpa", "Bizness as Usual", and Bryan "Hiker Bum"
> are unknown.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:52:00 -0600 (CST)
> From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Camping south of Tehachapi
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> On 02/17/15, Paint Your Wagon wrote:
>
> Indiana?
> Me old self originates from next door in Illinois (the 's' is silent
> folks.)
> ********************************************************
>
> Not in Indiana...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:34:44 -0800
> From: Tortoise <tortoise73 at charter.net>
> To: PCT-list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: Paint Your Wagon <n801yz at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Camping south of Tehachapi
> Message-ID: <9C844C84-B14A-470C-B0B8-33E7DA97224B at charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Since we're picking at this nit, sierra is Spanish for mountain range or
> mountain chain. Nevada translates as snowfall or snowstorm. Thus "Sierra
> Mountains" is "mountain range mountains".
>
> I live in the San Francisco Bay area for 30 years. Often I heard people
> refer to the Sierra Nevada as the Sierras.
>
> All for now. Happy trails.
>
> Tortoise
>
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>
> Dictated / Typoed on my iPad.
>
> > On Feb 17, 2015, at 12:58, Paint Your Wagon <n801yz at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Lets lay the blame where it belongs!
> >
> > Those dog gone high sierra (Yogi- note: singular use applied correctly)
> mountains,
> > block the dang-burn rain from reaching the eastern sierra flank,
> > thus strangulating the whole enchilada until it cries uncle.
> > This casts a desert spell on much of the PCT?s territorial grip in
> California.
> > Indiana?
> > Me old self originates from next door in Illinois (the ?s? is silent
> folks.)
> > Maybe we?ll cross paths someday,
> > and one of us will have a flask of ?Kickapoo joy juice? to share with
> the other.
> >
> > PaintYW
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:22:25 -0800
> From: Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Sierra Resupply
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> I am reviewing my schedule this morning...is it really unrealistic to go
> from KM all the way to VVR with no resupply in between? Yes, I'm doing
> Whitney. In Yogis guide, people's opinions go both ways. I'm actually
> really drawn to the challenge, but would like any opinions others can
> offer.
> Thanks! Leslie
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:38:02 -0600
> From: Jennifer Zimmerman <jenniferlzim at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra Resupply
> Message-ID:
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>
> KM to VVR in one shot is totally do-able. I knew of a lot of hikers who
> did this in 2013 - a low snow year though, so hiking might have gone faster
> than over normal snowpack. I personally really enjoyed the hike out to
> Onion Valley via Kearsarge Pass. It was one of the most scenic parts of the
> trail and Bishop was a great town for a zero.
>
> On the way down to the trailhead we met a couple returning to the PCT via
> the pass. They had planned to go straight through to VVR but felt worn
> down/hungry and decided to take a zero in the valley. So, I guess what I'm
> saying is, you could plan to do KM-VVR but reserve the right to change your
> mind if the altitude is kicking your butt.
>
> Enjoy your hike! Not long now!
>
> JZ
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I am reviewing my schedule this morning...is it really unrealistic to go
> > from KM all the way to VVR with no resupply in between? Yes, I'm doing
> > Whitney. In Yogis guide, people's opinions go both ways. I'm actually
> > really drawn to the challenge, but would like any opinions others can
> > offer.
> > Thanks! Leslie
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> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:46:13 -0800
> From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> To: Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra Resupply
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> In the olden days that's what everyone used to do. Depends on the snow
> pack. You have 3/4 bailout /resupply spots if it starts to feel like too
> much. I comfortably did 24 miles a day from Kennedy Meadows to
> Independence. Then slowed a bit But did not have much snow either time. I
> vaguely remember most folks thought Kennedy to VVR was a 10 to 12 day trip.
> But that's when packs were heavier. I resupplied the first trip in
> Independence. It took 6 1/2 days to go Independence to Tuolumne. I'm a slow
> hiker
> Marmot
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am reviewing my schedule this morning...is it really unrealistic to go
> > from KM all the way to VVR with no resupply in between? Yes, I'm doing
> > Whitney. In Yogis guide, people's opinions go both ways. I'm actually
> > really drawn to the challenge, but would like any opinions others can
> offer.
> > Thanks! Leslie
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> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:56:45 -0800
> From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> To: Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra Resupply
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> Don't count on it but it is possible to yogi food from SB JMT hikers. They
> always have too much And there can be food in hiker box at MTR
> Marmot
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 18, 2015, at 9:46 AM, marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > In the olden days that's what everyone used to do. Depends on the snow
> pack. You have 3/4 bailout /resupply spots if it starts to feel like too
> much. I comfortably did 24 miles a day from Kennedy Meadows to
> Independence. Then slowed a bit But did not have much snow either time. I
> vaguely remember most folks thought Kennedy to VVR was a 10 to 12 day trip.
> But that's when packs were heavier. I resupplied the first trip in
> Independence. It took 6 1/2 days to go Independence to Tuolumne. I'm a slow
> hiker
> > Marmot
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am reviewing my schedule this morning...is it really unrealistic to go
> >> from KM all the way to VVR with no resupply in between? Yes, I'm doing
> >> Whitney. In Yogis guide, people's opinions go both ways. I'm actually
> >> really drawn to the challenge, but would like any opinions others can
> offer.
> >> Thanks! Leslie
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:57:38 -0800
> From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
> To: Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra Resupply
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> We have done it twice (2000 & 2007) - 2 people with one bear canister.
>
> www.gottawalk.com/planning/packing-a-bear-canister
>
> The food was the same every day and pretty boring. We were hiking at a
> calorie deficit, but made it up when eating at VVR.
>
> Ken
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Leslie LaRocca <larocca690 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I am reviewing my schedule this morning...is it really unrealistic to go
> > from KM all the way to VVR with no resupply in between? Yes, I'm doing
> > Whitney. In Yogis guide, people's opinions go both ways. I'm actually
> > really drawn to the challenge, but would like any opinions others can
> offer.
> > Thanks! Leslie
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