[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 75, Issue 11

Fri Mar 14 04:45:43 CDT 2014

I don't want to say it can't be done, because people do amazing things, but
it will be challenging.  The "comfortable load carrying capacity" is listed
at 20 lbs.  At times you may have to carry 6-7 liters of water + a few days
food.  For those stretches, you may have 15+ lbs of just food and water.
Volume (2100 cu in) will be a challenge as well, especially when you hit
bear canister country. If you think you want to do it, you better try it out
carefully on  a hiking trip with everything you plan to carry.

Good luck!
Timberline 

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On Behalf Of Micaela Cypher
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:22 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 75, Issue 11

hello, I have a ULA Relay backpack. I am concerned that it is too small to
hike the whole PCT. Does anyone know this pack? I really really want to use
it (It has emotional significance). Advice please?

Thanks, M

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Frogg Toggs (Jeffrey Olson)
   2. The Trail Show #22 ? The Inman 300 (Paul Magnanti)
   3. Wind Shell + Rain Shell (David Harris)
   4. Somewhere I viewed a list of PCT towns which fuel canisters
      can be purchaced. Does anyone have it? I would like a copy. We
      are now packing boxes and need to know if fuel needs to be
      shipped. Thanks, Hawk and Seaglass (Joe Roth)
   5. Re: Frogg Toggs (Terry)
   6. Re: Frogg Toggs (JPL)
   7. Re: Somewhere I viewed a list of PCT towns which fuel
      canisters can be purchaced. Does anyone have it? I would like a
      copy. We are now packing boxes and need to know if fuel needs to
      be shipped. Thanks, Hawk and Seaglass (Paul Bodnar)
   8. Re: Frogg Toggs (Terry)
   9. Trash (not hiker) (Liam)
  10. Re: Trash (not hiker) (JPL)
  11. Re: Frogg Toggs (JPL)
  12. Re: Trash (not hiker) (Luce Cruz)
  13. Re: Trash (not hiker) (Nikki Eddy)
  14. Re: Trash (not hiker) (aslive at charter.net)
  15. Re: Trash (not hiker) (marmot marmot)
  16. Re: Trash (not hiker) (Bob Bankhead)
  17. Re: Frogg Toggs (Diane Soini)
  18. Re: Frogg Toggs (James F. Miller)
  19. Snow Depth Tool on PCTA (Nobohiker)
  20. Climate and wather (?shild)
  21. Jose Burger (The Incredible Bulk)
  22. Re: Snow Depth Tool on PCTA (Terry)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:02:35 -0600
From: Jeffrey Olson <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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http://www.froggtoggswarehouse.com/products/frogg-toggs-ultra-lite2-rain-sui
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On 3/10/2014 10:46 AM, JPL wrote:
> And what, pray thee tell, is that wonderful jacket!  :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:34 AM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>
> That's a good point Jeffery and the biggest reason why I'm switching 
> out rain jackets at Cascade Locks. For Washington, I will have a 
> heavier but better better built, better insulated jacket.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Jeffrey Olson 
>> <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Be aware that FroggTogg jackets are short and it is easy for water to 
>> leech under the jacket and soak your midsection.  Happened to me in 
>> the windy/rainy/foggy Goat Rocks and contributed to near hypothermia...
>>
>> Jeff
>> Rapid City
>>
>>> I'm following the strategy you mention below with one wrinkle - I'm 
>>> adding a light rain shell for the highest parts of the Sierras.  My 
>>> strategy is like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> I'm carrying just a wind shirt to Kennedy Meadows where I'll add a  
>>> Frog Togg's rain shell (5.7 oz & VERY inexpensive).
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:25:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] The Trail Show #22 ? The Inman 300
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The Trail Show #22 ? The Inman 300

Show #22!! - Today we bring you Show Deuce Deuce - our longest show ever!!!?

We cover a lot of ground in this month's show: we announce The Trail Show
2013 Beer & Brewery of the Year, D-low talks jury duty, we interview Sean
Gobins of Warrior Hike, live in studio we have returning guest Liz "Snorkel"
Thomas to school us on the Inman 300, we talk fire restrictions on the PCT
and review the book "Ultralight Survival Kit" by Justin Lichter and the
documentary "Wayfaring" by Scott Herriott. We also do the iTunes Top 5, a
mob of Donator shout-outs, Mailbag, and a gear review that will knock yer
socks off.

And as always ... Beer O' Da Month (courtesy of the Nash Rambler), Trail
News with Mags, Trail O' Da Month (Inman 300), Disco's Trail Tip O' Da Month
and Ask-A-Hiker with D-low.
The March show is sponsored by the upcoming Denver Brew-Hike on May 3rd!
More info on the Brew-Hike will be available in April at
www.facebook.com/thetrailshow.

www.thetrailshow.com
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www.facebook.com/thetrailshow
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https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-trail-show/id532824960
www.cafepress.com/thetrailshow
?
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The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught, a
portion of the rainbow I have clutched --Thoreau

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:34:50 -0700
From: David Harris <David_Harris at hmc.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] Wind Shell + Rain Shell
To: hopeforgorilla at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Chris,

I wore an REI synthetic long-sleeve shirt and carried a ~5oz Montbell
synthetic vest and a ~4 oz Zpacks waterproof breathable cuben fiber rain
jacket.  I used them all regularly between the Mexican border and Tahoe and
wouldn't have wanted to carry less.

The REI shirt (and their Sahara pants) are favorite items of clothing now. 
I've worn the shirt for ~4000 miles and it's still in close-to-new condition
except that I've had to replace some buttons.
It has kept me comfortable in strong winds in all seasons.  With those items
and a wide-brimmed hat, I get many weeks out of a 1 oz SPF 50 tube of
sunscreen, used just on my nose and the backs of my hands.

The vest and jacket make up my warmth and rain system.  Unless I have a
perfectly clear weather forecast through my next stop, I wouldn't bounce my
rain jacket.  Both items are light, but together, they are enough to keep me
warm enough while I cook dinner and for the first hour of hiking on a cold
morning before dawn.

David

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:42:41 -0700
From: Joe Roth <jroth2353 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Somewhere I viewed a list of PCT towns which fuel
    canisters can be purchaced. Does anyone have it? I would like a copy.
    We are now packing boxes and need to know if fuel needs to be shipped.
    Thanks, Hawk and Seaglass
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:52:03 -0700
From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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JPL, I thee answer prayer!

My experience has been, the Frogg Toggs seem to always leak around the front
neck/upper chest and because I use trekking poles, I get rain water running
up my sleeves to my elbows after a short amount of time. If it's a warm
rain, it doesn't really matter because it does keep me reasonably dry and I
not getting cold. The problem with them however is, if it's cold and wet
and, you close up the neck area and put bands or Velcro on the sleeves to
solve those problems, you end up getting soaked from your own sweat. 

For me anyway, the trade off to the heavier jacket is worth the extra weight
for the cold and rainy areas of the trail.  The heavier jacket can be sealed
off much better around the upper chest and the sleeves. The jacket also has
arm pit vents that can be opened up, along with full length zippered vents
on both sides, that can be opened and closed as necessary. Also, because
it's a bit heavier, it acts as an insulation layer as well. 

To me, the trade off is worth the extra weight when it's needed. 

Terry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
> 
> And what, pray thee tell, is that wonderful jacket!  :)
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:34 AM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
> 
> That's a good point Jeffery and the biggest reason why I'm switching out
rain jackets at Cascade Locks. For Washington, I will have a heavier but
better better built, better insulated jacket.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
wrote:
>> 
>> Be aware that FroggTogg jackets are short and it is easy for water to 
>> leech under the jacket and soak your midsection.  Happened to me in 
>> the windy/rainy/foggy Goat Rocks and contributed to near hypothermia...
>> 
>> Jeff
>> Rapid City
>> 
>>> I'm following the strategy you mention below with one wrinkle - I'm 
>>> adding a light rain shell for the highest parts of the Sierras.  My 
>>> strategy is like
>>> this:
>>> 
>>> I'm carrying just a wind shirt to Kennedy Meadows where I'll add a  
>>> Frog Togg's rain shell (5.7 oz & VERY inexpensive).
>> 
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 13:54:49 -0400
From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
To: "Terry" <tsparks56 at aol.com>,    "Pct-L at backcountry.net"
    <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Closer.! :)  What exactly is the "heavier jacket"?????? Brand, model...

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:52 PM
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs

JPL, I thee answer prayer!

My experience has been, the Frogg Toggs seem to always leak around the front
neck/upper chest and because I use trekking poles, I get rain water running
up my sleeves to my elbows after a short amount of time. If it's a warm
rain, it doesn't really matter because it does keep me reasonably dry and I
not getting cold. The problem with them however is, if it's cold and wet
and, you close up the neck area and put bands or Velcro on the sleeves to
solve those problems, you end up getting soaked from your own sweat.

For me anyway, the trade off to the heavier jacket is worth the extra weight
for the cold and rainy areas of the trail.  The heavier jacket can be sealed
off much better around the upper chest and the sleeves. The jacket also has
arm pit vents that can be opened up, along with full length zippered vents
on both sides, that can be opened and closed as necessary. Also, because
it's a bit heavier, it acts as an insulation layer as well.

To me, the trade off is worth the extra weight when it's needed.

Terry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
> And what, pray thee tell, is that wonderful jacket!  :)
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:34 AM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>
> That's a good point Jeffery and the biggest reason why I'm switching 
> out rain jackets at Cascade Locks. For Washington, I will have a 
> heavier but better better built, better insulated jacket.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Jeffrey Olson 
>> <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Be aware that FroggTogg jackets are short and it is easy for water to 
>> leech under the jacket and soak your midsection.  Happened to me in 
>> the windy/rainy/foggy Goat Rocks and contributed to near hypothermia...
>>
>> Jeff
>> Rapid City
>>
>>> I'm following the strategy you mention below with one wrinkle - I'm 
>>> adding a light rain shell for the highest parts of the Sierras.  My 
>>> strategy is like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> I'm carrying just a wind shirt to Kennedy Meadows where I'll add a  
>>> Frog Togg's rain shell (5.7 oz & VERY inexpensive).
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:01:12 -0400
From: Paul Bodnar <paulbodnar at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Somewhere I viewed a list of PCT towns which fuel
    canisters can be purchaced. Does anyone have it? I would like a copy.
    We are now packing boxes and need to know if fuel needs to be shipped.
    Thanks, Hawk and Seaglass
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Somewhere I viewed a list of PCT towns which fuel canisters can be
purchaced. Does anyone have it? I would like a copy. We are now packing
boxes and need to know if fuel needs to be shipped. Thanks, Hawk and
Seaglass

Here is a list I made up and updated from my 2012 Thru Hike. Mileage is
approximate.  Hopefully other hikers can update the list.
Paul (Tangent)
hikethru.com
1, Campo; Alcohol
43, Mt. Laguna; Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas 77, Julian ?
110, Warner Springs; Alcohol
179, Idyllwild; Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas 274, Big Bear;
Alcohol, butane/propane (canister) at Big 5, white gas 364, Wrightwood;
Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas 455, Agua Dulce;
Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas (REI side trip or at
Hikerheaven) 559, Mojave; Alcohol 559, Tehachapi; Alcohol,butane/propane
(canister), white gas 652, Lake Isabella; Alcohol 703, Kennedy Meadows;
Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas 745, Lone Pine;
Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas Bishop; Alcohol,
butane/propane(canister), white gas 789, Independence;
butane/propane(canister) at both gas stations.
856, Muir Ranch, Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas could be
available in the elaborate hiker box they have located here. Please don't
count on the hiker box for your resupply. The Muir Ranch has also sold a
limited amount of hiking type supplies including canister fuel to hikers in
the past. Remember supplies here are limited and vary from day due to day
the infrequent stocking of supplies and isolated location.
877, Vermillion Valley Resort; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas
902, Reds Meadow; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas Mammoth;
Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas 942, Tuolumne Meadows;
Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas 1095, Echo Lake; None 1095,
South Tahoe; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas 1198, Sierra
City; Alcohol 1290, Belden; Alcohol 1335, Chester; butane/propane (canister)
at hardware/fishing supply
(expensive)
1378, Old Station; Alcohol
1424, Burney Falls State Park; Alcohol
1424, Town of Burney; Alcohol
1506, Castella; Alcohol
1506, Dunsmuir; Alcohol
1506, Mt. Shasta; Alcohol,butane/propane (canister) 1606, Etna; Alcohol
(check hardware store for butane/propane (canister) and possible white gas).
1662, Seiad Valley; Alcohol, butane/propane canisters at stores.
1727, Callahans Lodge; None
1727, Ashland; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas 1835, Crater
Lake; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas 1912, Shelter Cove;
Alcohol 1958, Elk Lake Resort; None 1989, Sisters; Alcohol,Bend REI
Alcohol/butane/propane (canister), white gas 2107, Timberline Lodge; None
2155, Cascade Locks; Alcohol Portland; Alcohol, butane/propane(canister),
white gas 2303, White Pass; Alcohol, canister (limited supply) Packwood;
Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas 2402, Snoqualmie Pass; Alcohol
2476, Skykomish/ Baring/Dinsmores; Alcohol. Dinsmores might have
butane/propane canisters in 2014.
2574, Stehekin; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas (supplies at
the camp store, along bus route, can easily run out during peak hiking
season)

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 13:46:12 -0700
From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <6DEE5FAB-31AF-4B73-8AC7-B02D3CFA76E7 at aol.com>
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JPL,
The jacket I have was made by Mountain Hardware and bought last year on sale
at REI. As for the model, I really don't know and it's not all that
important anyway. All that needs to be done is to find a jacket that has
those features and/or the features you want, there are several brands to
choose from. 
A couple of features I really like on mine that I haven't mention is the
flexible brim incorporated into the hood, kinda like built in visor, that
helps keep the drips off my face and out of my eyes. The other item is the 3
water proof, zippered pockets, one chest pocket and two waist pockets. 

I believe I paid around $70.00 for the jacket and found it on the sale rack,
marked down from $110.00 or so. 

I hope that helps answer your questions, of not, feel free to contact me off
list.

Terry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:54 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
> 
> Closer.! :)  What exactly is the "heavier jacket"?????? Brand, model...
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:52 PM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
> 
> JPL, I thee answer prayer!
> 
> My experience has been, the Frogg Toggs seem to always leak around the
front neck/upper chest and because I use trekking poles, I get rain water
running up my sleeves to my elbows after a short amount of time. If it's a
warm rain, it doesn't really matter because it does keep me reasonably dry
and I not getting cold. The problem with them however is, if it's cold and
wet and, you close up the neck area and put bands or Velcro on the sleeves
to solve those problems, you end up getting soaked from your own sweat.
> 
> For me anyway, the trade off to the heavier jacket is worth the extra
weight for the cold and rainy areas of the trail.  The heavier jacket can be
sealed off much better around the upper chest and the sleeves. The jacket
also has arm pit vents that can be opened up, along with full length
zippered vents on both sides, that can be opened and closed as necessary.
Also, because it's a bit heavier, it acts as an insulation layer as well.
> 
> To me, the trade off is worth the extra weight when it's needed.
> 
> Terry
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> And what, pray thee tell, is that wonderful jacket!  :)
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:34 AM
>> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>> 
>> That's a good point Jeffery and the biggest reason why I'm switching out
rain jackets at Cascade Locks. For Washington, I will have a heavier but
better better built, better insulated jacket.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Be aware that FroggTogg jackets are short and it is easy for water 
>>> to leech under the jacket and soak your midsection.  Happened to me 
>>> in the windy/rainy/foggy Goat Rocks and contributed to near
hypothermia...
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> Rapid City
>>> 
>>>> I'm following the strategy you mention below with one wrinkle - I'm 
>>>> adding a light rain shell for the highest parts of the Sierras.  My 
>>>> strategy is like
>>>> this:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm carrying just a wind shirt to Kennedy Meadows where I'll add a  
>>>> Frog Togg's rain shell (5.7 oz & VERY inexpensive).
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pct-L mailing list
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:54:07 -0400
From: Liam <liamcameron90 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Wondering if anyone has any good tips on how to keep the garbage created by
food (plastic wrappers, carboard boxes) many worry is the food residue that
will be spoiling on it so how to contain this and not have a mobile dump in
your bag.

Thanks!

Liam

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:57:23 -0400
From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: "Liam" <liamcameron90 at gmail.com>,    <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Big zip lock bag.  Squash the air out of it.  Make sure to hang it with your
bear bag, or put it in your canister.

-----Original Message-----
From: Liam
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 4:54 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)

Wondering if anyone has any good tips on how to keep the garbage created by
food (plastic wrappers, carboard boxes) many worry is the food residue that
will be spoiling on it so how to contain this and not have a mobile dump in
your bag.

Thanks!

Liam
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:08:43 -0400
From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
To: "Terry" <tsparks56 at aol.com>,    "Pct-L at backcountry.net"
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ok, good; I actually have a Mountain Hardware jacket that I like.  Thanks
for the details; very helpful.

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 4:46 PM
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs

JPL,
The jacket I have was made by Mountain Hardware and bought last year on sale
at REI. As for the model, I really don't know and it's not all that
important anyway. All that needs to be done is to find a jacket that has
those features and/or the features you want, there are several brands to
choose from.
A couple of features I really like on mine that I haven't mention is the
flexible brim incorporated into the hood, kinda like built in visor, that
helps keep the drips off my face and out of my eyes. The other item is the 3
water proof, zippered pockets, one chest pocket and two waist pockets.

I believe I paid around $70.00 for the jacket and found it on the sale rack,
marked down from $110.00 or so.

I hope that helps answer your questions, of not, feel free to contact me off
list.

Terry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:54 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
> Closer.! :)  What exactly is the "heavier jacket"?????? Brand, model...
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:52 PM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>
> JPL, I thee answer prayer!
>
> My experience has been, the Frogg Toggs seem to always leak around the 
> front neck/upper chest and because I use trekking poles, I get rain 
> water running up my sleeves to my elbows after a short amount of time. 
> If it's a warm rain, it doesn't really matter because it does keep me 
> reasonably dry and I not getting cold. The problem with them however 
> is, if it's cold and wet and, you close up the neck area and put bands 
> or Velcro on the sleeves to solve those problems, you end up getting
soaked from your own sweat.
>
> For me anyway, the trade off to the heavier jacket is worth the extra 
> weight for the cold and rainy areas of the trail.  The heavier jacket 
> can be sealed off much better around the upper chest and the sleeves. 
> The jacket also has arm pit vents that can be opened up, along with 
> full length zippered vents on both sides, that can be opened and 
> closed as necessary. Also, because it's a bit heavier, it acts as an 
> insulation layer as well.
>
> To me, the trade off is worth the extra weight when it's needed.
>
> Terry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>>
>> And what, pray thee tell, is that wonderful jacket!  :)
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:34 AM
>> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>>
>> That's a good point Jeffery and the biggest reason why I'm switching 
>> out rain jackets at Cascade Locks. For Washington, I will have a 
>> heavier but better better built, better insulated jacket.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Jeffrey Olson 
>>> <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Be aware that FroggTogg jackets are short and it is easy for water 
>>> to leech under the jacket and soak your midsection.  Happened to me 
>>> in the windy/rainy/foggy Goat Rocks and contributed to near
hypothermia...
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Rapid City
>>>
>>>> I'm following the strategy you mention below with one wrinkle - I'm 
>>>> adding a light rain shell for the highest parts of the Sierras.  My 
>>>> strategy is like
>>>> this:
>>>>
>>>> I'm carrying just a wind shirt to Kennedy Meadows where I'll add a 
>>>> Frog Togg's rain shell (5.7 oz & VERY inexpensive).
>>>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:22:12 -0700
From: Luce Cruz <lucecruz13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I use the Mountain House bags after I'm done with the meals. They are good
strong zip top bags.

Luce Cruz

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:03:18 -0700
From: Nikki Eddy <nikkieddy at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: Liam <liamcameron90 at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I use doggy poop bags for most of my garbage...they're biodegradable and I
can pack a lot in a little bit of space! :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Liam <liamcameron90 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wondering if anyone has any good tips on how to keep the garbage created
by food (plastic wrappers, carboard boxes) many worry is the food residue
that will be spoiling on it so how to contain this and not have a mobile
dump in your bag.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Liam
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: aslive at charter.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: Liam <liamcameron90 at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Pack it in, pack it out.

Shepherd

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Liam wrote:

> Wondering if anyone has any good tips on how to keep the garbage 
> created by food (plastic wrappers, carboard boxes) many worry is the 
> food residue that will be spoiling on it so how to contain this and 
> not have a mobile dump in your bag.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Liam
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:15:14 -0700
From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: Liam <liamcameron90 at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Most likely you won't have any cardboard   It's only ziplocks you will have
to take out. One big bag hold all

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2014, at 1:54 PM, "Liam" <liamcameron90 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wondering if anyone has any good tips on how to keep the garbage created
by food (plastic wrappers, carboard boxes) many worry is the food residue
that will be spoiling on it so how to contain this and not have a mobile
dump in your bag.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Liam
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:26:52 -0700
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I use the 12.5 x 20 inch odor-proof bags from Loksack.

I discard the used bag with the trash it contains when I reach my re-supply
spot.

I put a fresh bag for the next leg in every re-supply box.

I've had Yosemite bears walk right past them in the night and never know
they were there.

Caveat: no matter what trash container I may use, I save the really smelly
packaging (like tuna in foil packs) for the last day or two of the leg.

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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:09:45 -0700
From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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In my opinion and experience, a rain jacket is better than a wind shirt
because a rain jacket does both. But get a cheap rain jacket. A frogg toggs
will work on the PCT since it's not very overgrown. You can patch it with
duct tape or buy another. They're pretty cheap. Even better is the Z-packs
cuben fiber rain jacket. It's very comfortable, not sweaty and a lot more
durable than a frogg toggs. Don't get a fashionable thing from REI. That's
just too heavy. You may get rain in So Cal and if you do, it carries the
possibility of being the worst kind of rain, the kind that causes
hypothermia. That said, I've survived in So Cal without a rain jacket, with
just a polycryo ground sheet and grim determination and 30 mile days. Ha ha.
Best trip ever!

On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:

> Frogg Toggs

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:55:02 -0700
From: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS27786D2C9363590CD443168CA770 at phx.gbl>
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Poncho.

Rain Poncho.

Its all you need for the entire trail...for rain gear that is.

Bigfoot Jim

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com> wrote:

In my opinion and experience, a rain jacket is better than a wind shirt
because a rain jacket does both. But get a cheap rain jacket. A frogg toggs
will work on the PCT since it's not very overgrown. You can patch it with
duct tape or buy another. They're pretty cheap. Even better is the Z-packs
cuben fiber rain jacket. It's very comfortable, not sweaty and a lot more
durable than a frogg toggs. Don't get a fashionable thing from REI. That's
just too heavy. You may get rain in So Cal and if you do, it carries the
possibility of being the worst kind of rain, the kind that causes
hypothermia. That said, I've survived in So Cal without a rain jacket, with
just a polycryo ground sheet and grim determination and 30 mile days. Ha ha.
Best trip ever!

On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:

> Frogg Toggs

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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:16:28 -0700
From: Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Snow Depth Tool on PCTA
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi there,

I am thinking about a section hike in SoCal later this month. Getting on the
PCT would take me to the top of Mt San Jacinto first and since the elevation
is 10,833' / 3,302m and they had a snow storm coming through last week, I am
obviously concerned about snow depth/ice. So I checked every other day or so
on the pcta.org website for snow depth. After the storm, the tool made sense
as it was showing snow above 7000isch ft. 
Then, every other day or so, the snow line was moving up...then recently, no
snow was reported at all, which does not make sense.
So I pinged the local hiker community and sure enough there still is plenty
of snow up there, patches around 7500 increasing with elevation.

So heads up for all of you out there to be careful with that tool. This
probably can be said about all tools and forecasts...

Happy Trails,

Section Hiker Rick

My planned route:
https://goo.gl/maps/GQbam

Link to the local Hikers:
http://www.mtsanjacinto.info

Snow Depth Tool on PCTA:
http://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/maps-and-guidebooks/
then select "Snow Depth"

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:12:50 +0000
From: ?shild <aashildkap at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Climate and wather
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hi
I?m looking for statistics of climate/weather at the different areas along
the trail, like mean temperature, number of days below 32F, snow levels,
rain etc.
Any recommendation?

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:48:20 -0400
From: The Incredible Bulk <ki6asp at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Jose Burger
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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The 2005 class DVD has a photo of the Jose Burger in all its luscious
goodness,  in case you want to see what to expect.  I am jonesing for one
now.

The Incredible Bulk

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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:42:41 -0700
From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow Depth Tool on PCTA
To: Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <2A6A431E-A202-4433-91DF-10253CDEF546 at aol.com>
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The way things are going in So. Cal, that report will be 100% correct before
we know it. There is no rain in the 10 day forecast and we have another
round of Santa Ana Winds due to arrive on Friday, with temps at and above
80* predicted.  So Cal is screwed this year for rain and water as, normally
our biggest rain storms  happen before the 3 rd week of March and we are
already there, without rain in the 10 day forecast. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2014, at 11:16 PM, Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I am thinking about a section hike in SoCal later this month. Getting 
> on the PCT would take me to the top of Mt San Jacinto first and since 
> the elevation is 10,833' / 3,302m and they had a snow storm coming 
> through last week, I am obviously concerned about snow depth/ice. So I 
> checked every other day or so on the pcta.org website for snow depth. 
> After the storm, the tool made sense as it was showing snow above 7000isch
ft.
> Then, every other day or so, the snow line was moving up...then 
> recently, no snow was reported at all, which does not make sense.
> So I pinged the local hiker community and sure enough there still is 
> plenty of snow up there, patches around 7500 increasing with elevation.
> 
> So heads up for all of you out there to be careful with that tool. 
> This probably can be said about all tools and forecasts...
> 
> Happy Trails,
> 
> Section Hiker Rick
> 
> 
> 
> My planned route:
> https://goo.gl/maps/GQbam
> 
> Link to the local Hikers:
> http://www.mtsanjacinto.info
> 
> Snow Depth Tool on PCTA:
> http://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/maps-and-guidebooks/
> then select "Snow Depth"
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