[pct-l] Hiking for Multiple Sclerosis, looking for connections

Meg megbull at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 31 14:16:23 CST 2014 

About a year ago, I posted on here that I am hiking the Pacific Crest Trail for Multiple Sclerosis (National M.S. Society) in 2014. It's almost here!
I've been reading this blog for 2 years and it has definitely helped me prepare, so thank you everyone!
Here is the link: http://youtu.be/4-weY0jNWWw
to the 1 min video giving the general view of why I am hiking. If you feel inclined, please help me make a difference in the lives of others. Thank you!

Megan
Megbull22 at gmail.com



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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Womens lightweight backpac (CClark)
   2. Re: mechanical clearing of trail (Marvin and Shirley Barg)
   3. Re: mechanical clearing of trail (Dan Welch)
   4. Re: Why California's Trails Are Disappearing From Our Maps
      (Diane Soini)
   5. "PCTHYOH" app iOS version updated (enyapjr at comcast.net)
   6. Re: "PCTHYOH" app iOS version updated (Dan Welch)
   7. Re: mechanical clearing of trail (Hank Magnuski)
   8. Re: mechanical clearing of trail (Dan Welch)
   9. Re: mechanical clearing of trail (Hank Magnuski)
  10. Re: mechanical clearing of trail (JPL)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 10:36:49 -0800 (PST)
From: CClark <dr_carolyn at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Womens lightweight backpac
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I have a very short torso (about 15.5").
I really like my ULA (ultralight adventures) Ohm 2. ?It's very adjustable, and is the most comfy pack I've found.

http://www.ula-equipment.com/product_p/ohm-2.0.htm



C Clark

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 00:32:47 -0700
From: anita griffin <anita.griffin at live.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Womens lightweight backpack?
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Any suggestions for a 17 inch torso?
??? ???  ??? ?  ??? ??? ?

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:21:40 -0800
From: "Marvin and Shirley Barg" <barg at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] mechanical clearing of trail
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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As a Canadian who has hiked the PCT, hand tool labor in so called wilderness
areas has bewildered me for years, hence the following IMO vent. As others
have written, this notion of using hand tools belongs to another era of
cheap wages and BTW, a younger and less selfish (ie. more likely to
volunteer and get 'er done) populace. Not to use 'machines' to keep trails
open in arbitrary wilderness areas smacks of a lack of common sense and an
impossibly romantic view of wilderness. Just sayin'.  Canada has its share
of foibles, but I do appreciate that when our rangers or park staff park
first open trails in spring, they're packing...packing a chain saw. I rarely
find trees blocking the park trails.

Grampa Kilt





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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:04:09 -0500
From: "Dan Welch" <welchenergy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] mechanical clearing of trail
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Agreed.  When there is a limited budget (and when ISN"T there a limited
budget??)  and mechanized tools can do the work in a fraction of the time,
insisting on non-mechanized tools means a fraction of the trails will get
cleared.  Even I can figure that out...

Timberline

<<  Not to use 'machines' to keep trails open in arbitrary wilderness areas
smacks of a lack of common sense and an impossibly romantic view of
wilderness. Just sayin'.  Canada has its share of foibles, but I do
appreciate that when our rangers or park staff park first open trails in
spring, they're packing...packing a chain saw. I rarely find trees blocking
the park trails.  >>




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:58:28 -0800
From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Why California's Trails Are Disappearing From Our
        Maps
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:

> From: Heather <mom_and_alex at yahoo.com>
> Diane, are you gonna run for congress (jk) or somehow get that
> platform out there?!

No, no way. I hate politics. And I'm a misanthrope. And I couldn't
sell my soul to the corporations no matter what they offered.



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:12:47 +0000 (UTC)
From: enyapjr at comcast.net
Subject: [pct-l] "PCTHYOH" app iOS version updated
To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The "PCTHYOH" app on my iPhone updated this morning - under "Cache" (upper left corner),
the "Refresh All Cachable Files" downloads latest files, including Halfmile's 2014 maps...  ;-)

Happy trails!!!
Jim (PITA)

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:11:08 -0500
From: "Dan Welch" <welchenergy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] "PCTHYOH" app iOS version updated
To: <enyapjr at comcast.net>,      "'pct-l'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I just did this with the Android app.  In this case it is a menu selection
to "Cache ALL files".  Worked perfectly.

Timberline

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On Behalf Of enyapjr at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:13 AM
To: pct-l
Subject: [pct-l] "PCTHYOH" app iOS version updated

The "PCTHYOH" app on my iPhone updated this morning - under "Cache" (upper
left corner), the "Refresh All Cachable Files" downloads latest files,
including Halfmile's 2014 maps...  ;-)

Happy trails!!!
Jim (PITA)
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:16:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Hank Magnuski <hankm at mtinet.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] mechanical clearing of trail
To: Dan Welch <welchenergy at gmail.com>
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I've seen a lot of trail corridors that have been mechanically cleared.

They look like a 50-vehicle multi-lane car wreck. Tree limbs that look like
they've been hacked off with a baseball bat, debris everywhere.

No thanks. That's not how I want to maintain my section of the trail.

Hank

On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, Dan Welch wrote:

> Agreed.  When there is a limited budget (and when ISN"T there a limited
> budget??)  and mechanized tools can do the work in a fraction of the time,
> insisting on non-mechanized tools means a fraction of the trails will get
> cleared.  Even I can figure that out...
>
> Timberline
>
> <<  Not to use 'machines' to keep trails open in arbitrary wilderness areas
> smacks of a lack of common sense and an impossibly romantic view of
> wilderness. Just sayin'.  Canada has its share of foibles, but I do
> appreciate that when our rangers or park staff park first open trails in
> spring, they're packing...packing a chain saw. I rarely find trees blocking
> the park trails.  >>


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:04:50 -0500
From: "Dan Welch" <welchenergy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] mechanical clearing of trail
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <000401cf1e95$cc24fc10$646ef430$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

I guess it depends on what you mean by "mechanically cleared".  If they are
bringing in bushwhackers, I see your point.  However, the difference in end
result between a chainsaw cut log vs a hand-operated cross cut log is a
little more subtle.  I doubt most would ever know the difference...

BTW - it sounds like you're personally involved in trail maintenance.
Thanks for the work you do!

Timberline



<<  I've seen a lot of trail corridors that have been mechanically cleared.

They look like a 50-vehicle multi-lane car wreck. Tree limbs that look like
they've been hacked off with a baseball bat, debris everywhere.

No thanks. That's not how I want to maintain my section of the trail.  >>




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:26:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Hank Magnuski <hankm at mtinet.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] mechanical clearing of trail
To: Dan Welch <welchenergy at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1401310813530.21920 at sv-04.mtinet.com>
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Yes, cuts with a chain saw are faster than a hand saw and there is not much
difference in the results.

But the comparison shouldn't stop there. Most people would be surprised at how
effective a cross-cut crew can be vs. chain saw operators.

The chain sawyers seem to be constantly fiddling with their equipment, replacing
the chains, oiling them, sharpening them, gassing the saw. And the saws are so
much heavier to carry you usually need a pack animal to carry the saw and fuel
around.

A cross-cut crew can be in and out of an area while the chain saws are still
being unloaded from the mules.

That plus the smoke and noise and gas residue left by chain saws makes the
comparison a little more balanced.

Hank

p.s. Yes, I work with the Carsonora Crew maintaining the Dorothy Pass to Carson
Pass section of the PCT.




On Fri, 31 Jan 2014, Dan Welch wrote:

> I guess it depends on what you mean by "mechanically cleared".  If they are
> bringing in bushwhackers, I see your point.  However, the difference in end
> result between a chainsaw cut log vs a hand-operated cross cut log is a
> little more subtle.  I doubt most would ever know the difference...
>
> BTW - it sounds like you're personally involved in trail maintenance.
> Thanks for the work you do!
>
> Timberline
>
>
>
> <<  I've seen a lot of trail corridors that have been mechanically cleared.
>
> They look like a 50-vehicle multi-lane car wreck. Tree limbs that look like
> they've been hacked off with a baseball bat, debris everywhere.
>
> No thanks. That's not how I want to maintain my section of the trail.  >>


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:10:40 -0500
From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] mechanical clearing of trail
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <5F64FC446A1F4C35B666B45EEE754E21 at jpl3PC>
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        reply-type=original

We have trained cross-cut crews in Shenandoah NP and they can do a job!  The
other factor to consider is the impression on the public and wilderness
opponents.  If wilderness advocates don't respect the "no machines" rule,
then our arguments are undercut and the "anti's" will come in with why can't
we use our machines (bicycles, ATVs, dirt bikes, etc.).  Wilderness
protection is not a one shot deal; those of us who are wilderness lovers
need to be out there standing up every day!

-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Magnuski
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:26 AM
To: Dan Welch
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] mechanical clearing of trail


Yes, cuts with a chain saw are faster than a hand saw and there is not much
difference in the results.

But the comparison shouldn't stop there. Most people would be surprised at
how
effective a cross-cut crew can be vs. chain saw operators.

The chain sawyers seem to be constantly fiddling with their equipment,
replacing
the chains, oiling them, sharpening them, gassing the saw. And the saws are
so
much heavier to carry you usually need a pack animal to carry the saw and
fuel
around.

A cross-cut crew can be in and out of an area while the chain saws are still
being unloaded from the mules.

That plus the smoke and noise and gas residue left by chain saws makes the
comparison a little more balanced.

Hank

p.s. Yes, I work with the Carsonora Crew maintaining the Dorothy Pass to
Carson
Pass section of the PCT.




On Fri, 31 Jan 2014, Dan Welch wrote:

> I guess it depends on what you mean by "mechanically cleared".  If they
> are
> bringing in bushwhackers, I see your point.  However, the difference in
> end
> result between a chainsaw cut log vs a hand-operated cross cut log is a
> little more subtle.  I doubt most would ever know the difference...
>
> BTW - it sounds like you're personally involved in trail maintenance.
> Thanks for the work you do!
>
> Timberline
>
>
>
> <<  I've seen a lot of trail corridors that have been mechanically
> cleared.
>
> They look like a 50-vehicle multi-lane car wreck. Tree limbs that look
> like
> they've been hacked off with a baseball bat, debris everywhere.
>
> No thanks. That's not how I want to maintain my section of the trail.  >>
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