[pct-l] Gas canister availability on PCT
Rob McKay
Rob at assess.co.nz
Wed Jan 8 01:21:07 CST 2014
Hi - I note in Yogie's Handbook all hikers are using alcohol stoves - Have one and used it for a while, but weight for simplicity, just love my Ti Jetboil - What are supply towns like re gas canisters? I see "Bigfoot" changed to jetboil half way - Bigfoot, r u out there? what was availability for gas canisters like? Here in NZ they are very popular for TA Trail hikers. Thanks Rob
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1. Re: Extra oil that you carry (Ann Marie)
2. Re: Extra oil that you carry (Jim & Jane Moody)
3. Re: Extra oil that you carry (Terry)
4. Re: Extra oil that you carry (Brick Robbins)
5. Re: Extra oil that you carry (marmot marmot)
6. Re: Winter Hiking the Mojave? (Marian Harmon)
7. Re: Extra oil that you carry (marmot marmot)
8. Re: sleeping bag vs quilt (Heather)
9. Klymit Inertia (was: RE: sleeping bag vs quilt) (Jim Marco)
10. Update from Forest Service on Mountain Fire closure (Dan Welch)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 10:53:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Extra oil that you carry
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To PCT-L:
If it's two people, how much oz (extra calories) of liquid oil should we carry per day/or per 7-day week??
Yes, we are thru-hiking starting at Campo. So when should I add extra oil to our resupplies? Or should we just begin adding it when we buy (and ship forward) once we reach South Lake Tahoe?? Do you think we need the extra calories beforehand if we are focusing on buying high-calorie dinner and snacks up to that point?
Deb
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:24:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Extra oil that you carry
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AM,
I would not recommend carrying extra oil at the beginning unless it is very cold. I sent myself several restaurant packets of olive oil in each resupply box. I did not take a stove in 2012 or 2012 (sections from Chester to MP) but if you're going to cook, you might need more oil, depending on what and how you're cooking. I added the olive oil to reconstituted bean mix, cous-cous, or mashed potatoes.
Mango
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To PCT-L:
If it's two people, how much oz (extra calories) of liquid oil should we carry per day/or per 7-day week?
Yes, we are thru-hiking starting at Campo. So when should I add extra oil to our resupplies? Or should we just begin adding it when we buy (and ship forward) once we reach South Lake Tahoe? Do you think we need the extra calories beforehand if we are focusing on buying high-calorie dinner and snacks up to that point?
Deb
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:28:38 -0800
From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Extra oil that you carry
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What works for me is to fill an empty 8oz water bottle from Costo with olive oil and use about 2 ounces per day, which added 500 calories to my diet.
I am also thru- hiking the trail this year and will have an 8 oz bottle, with the top taped tightly with electrical tape, in every resupply box mailed from home. This worked well for me in september/November, while hiking from KM to Echo Lake.
I found that any more than about 2 oz per day was about my limit, without getting sick of it, unless I had a pasta dinner that night.
Terry
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On Jan 6, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> To PCT-L:
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> If it's two people, how much oz (extra calories) of liquid oil should we carry per day/or per 7-day week?
>
> Yes, we are thru-hiking starting at Campo. So when should I add extra oil to our resupplies? Or should we just begin adding it when we buy (and ship forward) once we reach South Lake Tahoe? Do you think we need the extra calories beforehand if we are focusing on buying high-calorie dinner and snacks up to that point?
>
> Deb
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:53:49 -0800
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Extra oil that you carry
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On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, we are thru-hiking starting at Campo. So when should I add extra oil to our resupplies?
I didn't get my hiker hunger till about 6 weeks in. I packed oil early
on, but didn't use it. After 6 weeks, I just could never quite get
enough food, no matter what.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 12:34:09 -0800
From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Extra oil that you carry
To: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>
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Having extra oil and fat feels like old school. Just a suggestion --unless you are allergic to nuts,packing macadamia nuts or cashews gives you good fats within a whole food. Fat separate from its source spoils quickly The more whole healthy food I eat the less weight I lose and the stronger I feel. Keep the refined sugars down so that you don't deplete your adrenals. That way you have fewer injuries A multi-vitamin is important also. Remember you are an athlete doing an endurance sport. It matters what you eat. Marmot
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> On Jan 6, 2014, at 10:57 AM, "Ann Marie" <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> To PCT-L:
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> If it's two people, how much oz (extra calories) of liquid oil should we carry per day/or per 7-day week?
>
> Yes, we are thru-hiking starting at Campo. So when should I add extra oil to our resupplies? Or should we just begin adding it when we buy (and ship forward) once we reach South Lake Tahoe? Do you think we need the extra calories beforehand if we are focusing on buying high-calorie dinner and snacks up to that point?
>
> Deb
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 12:34:41 -0800
From: Marian Harmon <marianharmon at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Winter Hiking the Mojave?
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As an update to what I noted the other day... I take back what I said about
snow out here... but only just a tiny little bit. This weekend I did see
some random patches of snow in the shady north bits along Cameron Ridge,
the last 7 mile segment of section E. It was a lovely 60 degree day... but
obviously getting quite chilly at night.
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>wrote:
> Would winter hiking be feasible from Highway 138 (Mile 517) up to Highway
> 58 (Mile 566)? There is a patch that gets up to 6000 feet or more, so I
> suppose it depends on snow levels for that part?
> Ron "Slo Charger" Graybill
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 14:43:53 -0800
From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Extra oil that you carry
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More about food choices. 1/2 cup of pecans gives you 440 calories just short of 400 of those from fat You also get 6 grams of protein. I don't get hiker hunger until about a month into a long hike. At high altitude I have to make myself eat When I go to town I hit the market first for fresh fruit and salad. Otherwise being hungry makes some hikers fill up on junk. That will come back to bite you in injury and exhaustion Carrying cabbage or carrots out of town works great I haven't done it lately but used to sprout mixed sprouts in a ziplock with holes in it pinned to back of my pack. As long as there is good water and it's not too hot it's lovely in wraps or on top of my tacos. Marmot
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> On Jan 6, 2014, at 10:57 AM, "Ann Marie" <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
> To PCT-L:
>
> If it's two people, how much oz (extra calories) of liquid oil should we carry per day/or per 7-day week?
>
> Yes, we are thru-hiking starting at Campo. So when should I add extra oil to our resupplies? Or should we just begin adding it when we buy (and ship forward) once we reach South Lake Tahoe? Do you think we need the extra calories beforehand if we are focusing on buying high-calorie dinner and snacks up to that point?
>
> Deb
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:37:24 -0500
From: Heather <mom_and_alex at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag vs quilt
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I, too, tend to thrash around a lot and to sleep cold, especially from my knees to my toes. I have slept comfortably under my ThermaRest Ventra Down Comforter (I do not know of it having a temp rating) several times, by snapping it into its bag configuration, then using my silk liner as a bivy on the outside to snug it around me. In conditions below 32 degrees F, I added the emergency blanket around my legs before drawing the silk over all. (Email me if you're interested in the weight.)
For my head I use my regular winter fleece hat, rather than carry a sleeping hood.
As a bit of digression, what I have not solved is that whatever part of my torso - front, back or side - is against my sleeping pad gets sweaty. I partially solved that by moving to a hammock, but under a ground-tarp it's still a problem. Thinking maybe a Klymit Inertia may solve it - has anyone used that?
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 17:23:42 -0500
From: Karen Keller <karen.kellerford at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] sleeping bag vs quilt
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I am a big toss and turner and tend to get all twisted up in my bag with my
face in the back of the hood . Considering a quilt with separate hood or
something but I sleep cold and worry about drafts. Any experience from
other cold, restless sleepers? Currently use marmot helium.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 03:45:54 +0000
From: Jim Marco <jdm27 at cornell.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] Klymit Inertia (was: RE: sleeping bag vs quilt)
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Heather,
Yeah, I have one. But because of all the tossing and turning I do, I just went back to my standard NeoAir Medium. I was in a construction accident more than twenty years ago (24 or 25) that screwed up a couple vertebra/disks. Sleeping is never all that comfortable, I have learned to just ignore the pain, and roll when I start getting stiff. That said, I wake up with the inertia in odd positions. I put my leg through it a couple times. It is a bit narrower than the neoair, so I am always fooling with it to stay on it. After the first two weeks, I switched back. Not sure how it does in cold weather, I didn't use it till June, so it never saw snow. I liked the idea I could put it inside my SS, but I never got a chance to test it. On hot nights it was no better or worse that the neoair, despite using my bag as a quilt. It *is* thinner, I think it is only about 1-3/4" thick.
My thoughts only . . .
jdm
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I, too, tend to thrash around a lot and to sleep cold, especially from my knees to my toes. I have slept comfortably under my ThermaRest Ventra Down Comforter (I do not know of it having a temp rating) several times, by snapping it into its bag configuration, then using my silk liner as a bivy on the outside to snug it around me. In conditions below 32 degrees F, I added the emergency blanket around my legs before drawing the silk over all. (Email me if you're interested in the weight.)
For my head I use my regular winter fleece hat, rather than carry a sleeping hood.
As a bit of digression, what I have not solved is that whatever part of my torso - front, back or side - is against my sleeping pad gets sweaty. I partially solved that by moving to a hammock, but under a ground-tarp it's still a problem. Thinking maybe a Klymit Inertia may solve it - has anyone used that?
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I am a big toss and turner and tend to get all twisted up in my bag with my face in the back of the hood . Considering a quilt with separate hood or something but I sleep cold and worry about drafts. Any experience from other cold, restless sleepers? Currently use marmot helium.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 00:41:34 -0500
From: "Dan Welch" <welchenergy at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Update from Forest Service on Mountain Fire closure
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I just received the following message from Andy Smith who is the point
person for searching out a PCT re-route around the Mountain Fire Closure. I
let him know I would be back in touch around March 1 to follow up and get an
update. Plenty of volunteer opportunities for those interested - but you
should go through either Andy Smith (909-382-2937) or PCTA.
Timberline
***
Hi Dan,
Just got your message and you were next on list to contact after holidays.
Yes, I am working with post fire Burned Area Emergency Rehab (BAER)
contractors starting tomorrow. We will be scouting Spitler Peak trail as a
potential re-route option. I have been able to spend a lot of time over the
holidays assessing trails, especially PCT. Additionally, I have an SCA
crew with the PCTA in March to work on trails.
The majority of retention walls that were in the burn area have failed or
will be sooner than later. These are my priority as they pose a threat to
hikers. Re- contouring many miles of side hill trail is also going to be a
big job as well as removing rocks, trees, etc.. that have fallen.
I will let you know how the work is going on from time to time. Also,
please understand that the closure remains in effect and that people are not
allowed to work on trails. I will do all that I can in the near future to
provide some volunteer opportunities to work on the trails.
Thanks for your interest!
Andy
Andrew Smith
Natural Resource Specialist
San Bernardino N.F.
San Jacinto R.D.
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