[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 80, Issue 14
JoAnn
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Thu Aug 14 13:24:14 CDT 2014
#3
I'd be glad to take you from Seiad Valley to Dunsmuir. It's a very long
drive so unfortunately with our gas being $4.13/gallon I'd have to request
some help in that area.
Are you aware there will be virtually no water through that entire area?
are we there yet
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 4 hikers need ride from Winthrop to Snoqualmie pass
(Andrea Dinsmore)
2. Re: Bear Canisters: Good for Bear, not for Hungry Hiker?
(gary_schenk at verizon.net)
3. Re: Bear Canisters: Good for Bear, not for Hungry Hiker?
(Brick Robbins)
4. Re: SPOT (Lisa Peru)
5. Bear Canisters: Good for Bear, not for Hungry Hiker?
(Stephen Adams)
6. Trail Angels Burney (town), Etna and Seiad Valley/Dunsmuir
(River Malcolm)
7. Seattle Runner Smashes Speed Record For Full Length Of
Pacific Crest Trail (Brick Robbins)
8. Re: Seattle Runner Smashes Speed Record For Full Length Of
Pacific Crest Trail (Carl Siechert)
9. SPOT coverage (Nathan Dreon)
10. Re: Seattle Runner Smashes Speed Record For Full Length Of
Pacific Crest Trail (groundpounderbill22)
11. Re: Seattle Runner Smashes Speed Record For Full Length Of
Pacific Crest Trail (Tortoise)
12. Re: SPOT Connect in N Cascades (Rebecca Wilcox) (Gail Van Velzer)
13. Ride from Portland or Hood River/Bingen to PCT north of Trout
Lake? (harwoodcreek at gmail.com)
14. Bear Canisters & Weight Loss (Reinhold Metzger)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:19:43 -0700
From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 4 hikers need ride from Winthrop to Snoqualmie
pass
To: Ben Ulsh <ulshbdbd at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hitch to Pateros and catch the bus to Wenatchee.
Andrea
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Ben Ulsh <ulshbdbd at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there. If anyone can help out 4 stranded Hikers with a ride to
> snoqualmie pass from Winthrop that would be amazing. Wenatchee also
> works.
> Thank you!! Please call or text 626-353-8937
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:24:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Canisters: Good for Bear, not for Hungry
Hiker?
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On 08/13/14, Brick Robbins wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:34 AM, <gary_schenk at verizon.net> wrote:
> . Because there's only one sure fire way to protect bears from your food.
>
Actually, Bear Boxes work pretty well too, and bear cans are not fool
proof, as the fools that use them fail to close them properly on a
fairly regular basis. Also they physically fail and get opened by
bears every now and then.
But in any event, this really is a non issue because there is only a
fairly short section of the PCT that passes through a bear-bear-can
required area (SEKI on the south to Yosemite on the north), and really
there only one section where bear boxes are so far apart (50 miles -
Toulomne to the north boundary of YNP) that you can't travel from box
to box in a day and sleep next to the boxes.
It is not that big an issue to carry a can in this section,
_______________________________________________
Brick, I totally agree with your comments. Bear cans seem to be something
that people have blown totally out of proportion. Some act like they're
being asked to carry an anvil around.
Not that that slowed down Norman Clyde!
Gary
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:50:48 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Canisters: Good for Bear, not for Hungry
Hiker?
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:24 AM, <gary_schenk at verizon.net> wrote:
> Brick, I totally agree with your comments. Bear cans seem to be something
> that people have blown totally out of proportion. Some act like they're
> being asked to carry an anvil around.
>
> Not that that slowed down Norman Clyde!
The last time I hiked that area on a JMT thru hike, I did not use a
bear can, but I stored my food legally in a bear box each night. The
only section that was a "stretch" was Toulomne to Red's meadow, as
that is about 30 miles, and over Donahue Pass, but it is doable, at
least for me.
It does limit where you can stop. For folks that can't do a 30 mile
day, the only legal option is a bear can. I doubt anyone could make
Glen Aulin to Duck Pass in on day, as it is 50 miles over some pretty
difficult territory.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:24:07 -0400
From: Lisa Peru <lisaperu2011 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SPOT
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SPOT has maps showing their coverage areas,
http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=108, which are clearly NOT
merely southern. Using their service for five years now (including both N.
WA and Maine), I have not had trouble, aside from few times I tried using a
hotel window, was in a deep canyon, or let the batteries run low (since I
hardly every change them). I might go with InReach if I bought a new unit,
just for the 2-way abilities and not needing to link to a smartphone. But
reliability has not been an issue with the SPOT for me.
PS: Would y'all mind trimming your replies to the list? Pretty please!
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:31:27 -0700
From: Stephen Adams <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Bear Canisters: Good for Bear, not for Hungry Hiker?
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Wasn't that a Dutch Oven in Norman's pack, and a hard cover Illiad?
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:25:50 -0700
From: River Malcolm <river at orcasonline.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Trail Angels Burney (town), Etna and Seiad
Valley/Dunsmuir
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Dear Hikers,
Hurrah ? I will be back on the trail for a section hike in September hiking
Northern CA.
I would love some trail angel help along the way ? though realize trail
angels may be totally exhausted after the biggest ?herd? ever.
Specifically--
1. BURNEY (town). ETA Sept. 10. Any trail angels in Burney who might be able
to pick me up at the Highway 299 trail crossing ? providing of course that
there is cell coverage there, or somewhere on the trail not too far south of
there( so I could call to ask)?
Also ? if you have experienced it as a reasonable place to hitch I would
love to hear that!
2. ETNA. ETA Sept. 25. Any trail angels in Etna who might be able to pick
me up at Sawyer?s Bar Road ? providing of course that there is cell coverage
there, or somewhere on the trail not too far south of there( so I could call
to ask)?
Also ? if you have experienced it as a reasonable place to hitch I would
love to hear that!
3. SEIAD VALLEY/DUNSMUIR. ETA Sept 30. This is the most important (well,
actually it?s only a comfort issue) and least likely. I?ll be heading by
Amtrak at midnight the next day from Dunsmuir back to Santa Barbara (where I
will spend the fall). I know there is a 4 hr bus in the morning from Seiad
Valley to Dunsmuir, but I wonder if there are angels who might be willing to
giving me a lift in the afternoon or evening from Seiad Valley to Dunsmuir?
Thanks so much for any advice you can give.
Happy Trails,
River
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:39:17 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Seattle Runner Smashes Speed Record For Full Length
Of Pacific Crest Trail
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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By TOM BANSE
A 23-year-old Seattle man has smashed the speed record for hiking the
full length of the Pacific Crest Trail. Recent college grad Joe
McConaughy crossed into Canada on Sunday, exactly 53 days, 6 hours and
37 minutes after leaving the Mexican border on the storied trail.
McConaughy says he felt elation and disbelief at the finish of the
2,660 mile journey.
?I immediately broke down,? he recalled a few hours later. ?I was
switching between laughing and crying - thinking of all these
incredible tales and trips we?d had day in, day out and all the pain.?
There is no official time keeper for long distance trail records.
McConaughy had a support team and a satellite tracking beacon to
verify his time. He says he ran the downhill and flat sections and
generally hiked the uphills.
Even McConaughy sounds astonished by the pace he maintained. ?I can?t
believe that I averaged 50 whole miles a day over some of the toughest
mountains in the West ? the toughest mountains in the West,? he
marveled.
The Seattle native shaved a full six days off the unofficial record
time for a supported end-to-end Pacific Crest Trail hike. Santa Monica
College track coach and exercise physiology instructor Josh Garrett ?
a vegan ? held the previous record of 59 days, 8 hours and 14 minutes.
Garrett set that mark last summer.
more
http://nwpr.org/post/seattle-runner-smashes-speed-record-full-length-pacific-crest-trail
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:56:36 -0700
From: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Seattle Runner Smashes Speed Record For Full
Length Of Pacific Crest Trail
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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"-- a vegan --"
And that's relevant because???
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
wrote:
>
> College track coach and exercise physiology instructor Josh Garrett ?
> a vegan ? held the previous record of 59 days, 8 hours and 14 minutes.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:20:39 -0700
From: Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] SPOT coverage
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The Globalstar Wiki page says the satellites orbit at 52 degrees
inclination, which means they will fly over every state in the US and much
of Canada. ?So any sky you can see in Washington might have a Globalstar
satellite in it.
I think the coverage map shows coverage as overlapping circles because a
satellite must be able to see a ground station to forward a message. ?The
circles are drawn around the ground stations. ?They overlap in areas where a
satellite can see more than one ground station.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 03:37:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: groundpounderbill22 <groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Seattle Runner Smashes Speed Record For Full
Length Of Pacific Crest Trail
To: brick at brickrobbins.com <brick at brickrobbins.com>,
pct-l at backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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We met String Bean on our Whitney hike, we were headed back to K M he
seemed like a Great guy?
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
------ Original message------From: Brick RobbinsDate: Wed, Aug 13, 2014
16:39To: PCT;Subject:[pct-l] Seattle Runner Smashes Speed Record For Full
Length Of Pacific Crest TrailBy TOM BANSEA 23-year-old Seattle man has
smashed the speed record for hiking thefull length of the Pacific Crest
Trail. Recent college grad JoeMcConaughy crossed into Canada on Sunday,
exactly 53 days, 6 hours and37 minutes after leaving the Mexican border on
the storied trail.McConaughy says he felt elation and disbelief at the
finish of the2,660 mile journey.?I immediately broke down,? he recalled a
few hours later. ?I wasswitching between laughing and crying - thinking of
all theseincredible tales and trips we?d had day in, day out and all the
pain.?There is no official time keeper for long distance trail
records.McConaughy had a support team and a satellite tracking beacon
toverify his time. He says he ran the downhill and flat sections
andgenerally hiked the uphills.Even McConaughy sounds astonishe
d by the pace he maintained. ?I can?tbelieve that I averaged 50 whole miles
a day over some of the toughestmountains in the West ? the toughest
mountains in the West,? hemarveled.The Seattle native shaved a full six days
off the unofficial recordtime for a supported end-to-end Pacific Crest Trail
hike. Santa MonicaCollege track coach and exercise physiology instructor
Josh Garrett ?a vegan ? held the previous record of 59 days, 8 hours and 14
minutes.Garrett set that mark last
summer.morehttp://nwpr.org/post/seattle-runner-smashes-speed-record-full-length-pacific-crest-trail_______________________________________________Pct-L
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 05:17:13 -0700
From: Tortoise <tortoise73 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Seattle Runner Smashes Speed Record For Full
Length Of Pacific Crest Trail
To: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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As I recall " a vegan " is relevant because he made a big deal out of his
doing the trail on a vegan diet.
Tortoise
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> On Aug 13, 2014, at 16:56, Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "-- a vegan --"
>
> And that's relevant because???
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> College track coach and exercise physiology instructor Josh Garrett ?
>> a vegan ? held the previous record of 59 days, 8 hours and 14 minutes.
>>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 05:22:31 -0700
From: "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SPOT Connect in N Cascades (Rebecca Wilcox)
To: "Ed Jarrett" <edjarrett at msn.com>, "PCT List"
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I can vouch for In Reach and it's coverage. We were in a canyon and were
able to get a message out, a 911 call, and communicate with the emergency
personnel as to the nature of our emergency so they could send the proper
help. For those that don't know, the trail gave way near Aqua Dulce (20
miles north) and my horse and I went down the steep incline. I fell 100
feet and my horse fell 300 feet to the bottom of the canyon. I was able to
cling to a burned bush, but couldn't move or I'd fall further. My horse and
I were both airlifted out. I had a broken leg and Dakota had a broken skull
(and later we found out he also broke his withers). We are all healed now
and ready to begin training for the trail again. You can read our story on
the In Reach website.
Golly
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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SPOT Connect in N Cascades (Rebecca Wilcox)
> Globalstar has a series of equatorial satellites in low earth orbit.
> Iridium satellites are also in low earth orbit but are global, providing
> better coverage toward the poles. SPOT is a subsidy of Globalstar, so you
> can imagine what satellite system it uses. InReach uses the Iridium
> satellites, meaning that it is going to have a better chance of satellite
> coverage the further away from the equator one gets. In addition, InReach
> can receive text messages in addition to sending them, while SPOT cannot,
> and according to the SPOT rep I talked to last week, they have no plans on
> offering that capability. Because Inreach can receive messages, it is
> able to receive a confirmation that a message has actually made it out to
> the satellites, unlike SPOT where you never know if it made it out until
> you get home.
> SPOT works well so long as you recognize its limitations and do not expect
> to be able to send out a message from Washington when you are in a canyon
> with a wall to the south of you; it just won't happen. I have used SPOT
> from the Mexican border to the Canadian border, and while the results are
> better further south, I have been satisfied with it throughout. That
> being said, I will likely change to InReach for next year just so I can
> receive messages and have some assurance that things are OK at home, as
> well as have the ability to recharge in the field.
>
> Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)A Clay Jar: http://aclayjar.blogspot.com/ Twitter:
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>> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:16:44 -0700
>> From: lucecruz13 at gmail.com
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SPOT Connect in N Cascades (Rebecca Wilcox)
>>
>> All of the stories about whether a SPOT works anywhere in the US are
>> purely
>> anecdotal. People doing all kinds of things in many different areas have
>> used a SPOT device for tracking, basic message sending, and summoning
>> emergency help, and many try to use the device under less than optimal
>> conditions in less than optimal ways and then decide that because it
>> didn't
>> work for them, in a certain area, it doesn't work for anyone there.
>>
>> What was the name of the fellow that used a SPOT to summon help for his
>> badly injured ankle a not far from the Canadian border on the PCT a
>> couple
>> years ago? Chef something? Something Chef? Rescuers walked in, assessed
>> his
>> injuries, assisted him, and then helped him get airlifted out to a
>> hospital. Worked for him, so by the same process folks use to poo-poo it,
>> it clearly works well in WA. It does for me for taking and message
>> triggering.
>>
>> I would say by whatever brand or service you want, or buy a real PLB
>> emergency beacon for around $300-500 and not pay any monthly service fees
>> for a higher possibility that if you run into trouble, you will more
>> reliably summon help, as the devices run on a different system that is
>> more
>> robust.
>>
>> Roll the dice, take your chances.
>>
>> Luce Cruz
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:03:51 -0700
From: <harwoodcreek at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Ride from Portland or Hood River/Bingen to PCT north
of Trout Lake?
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Are there any angels in the vicinity that could offer ride assistance as
described above, on Saturday morning Aug. 16 (or late on Friday?) Just
myself. Suggestions appreciated - thanks!
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 02:16:29 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Bear Canisters & Weight Loss
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>
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Lord, enlighten the masses for they know not what they are talking about.
Gaining or loosing weight while hiking has nothing to do with canisters.
It is plain and simple a matter of calories "IN" vs "CALORIES BURNED".
Come on guys, try to understand this....it ain't Rocket Science".
In other words, simplified so everybody can understand it,...more
calories in than burned, you gain weigh...more calories burned than in,
you loose weigh....that is it, nothing more, nothing less.
Therefore, whether you start loosing or gaining weight on day one or
day ten is simply a matter of when you start burning more or less
calories than you are taking in.
The average, ordinary, daily diet delivers roughly 2,000 calories.
However, a backpacker hauling A$$$ 8-10 hours a day will burn
considerably more calories, more likely around 4,000+- calories.
So, unless his menu delivers the calories burned, he will loose weight.
For instance, on my JMT speed hikes I burn about 7,000-8,000 calories
per day but, to keep my pack weight to a minimum, my menu weighs only
about 2 lb per day and delivers only about 4,00-4,500 calories per day.
As a result I loose about 2 lb per day, starting day 1, or approximately
10 lb over the 5 days.
In thru-hiking, most hiker's heavy emphasis on UL results in menus that
do not deliver calories equal to calories burned.
One way to solve that problem, without increasing the food weight is
to incorporate more fat in your menu.
I know you vegetarians are giving me that "EVIL" look.
I know, fruits and veggies are good for you, but they are heavy and
low on calories per ounce.
In my opinion,..."FAT" is a thru-hikers best friend.
I know, I'm getting that "EVIL" look again from our Vegetarians.
But hey, do the math, protein and carbohydrates deliver about 110
calories/oz while fat delivers about 250 calories/oz.
That is why many long distance hikers, especially speed hikers like
Scott Williamson, usually carry some oil to add to their meals and beef
up the calories without beefing up the weight.
Besides, you will burn all that fat anyhow in addition to your own
body fat.
Macadamia nuts are a great way to incorporate fat into your menu.
I rely heavy on Macadamia nuts on my JMT speed hikes to beef up the
calories without beefing up the weight.
At 200 calories/oz you have to go to straight oil to beat that.
Another good thing about Macadamia nuts, they are not dry tasting like
most nuts therefore you don't need to drink a gallon of water when you
eat them.
Also, Macadamia nuts are high in Monounsaturated fat which is on of the
most benign fats and does not effect your cholesterol.
Some folks say that's the problem with JMT Reinhold...."TO MANY
MACADAMIA NUTS".
JMT Reinhold
Your Macadamia nuts loving trail companion
................................
Yogi wrote:
Katy is absolutely correct.
And............although it is fun to load up on calories in town, your body
cannot use all those calories, and you end up pooping it all out. I had a
long conversation with Brenda Braaten about this. Brenda is the Belden
Trail Angel, and she is a Registered Dietitian, has a Doctorate in
Nutrition, did her sabbatical research on thru-hiker food. She convinced
me that when I get to town, I should have the giant burger, go back several
hours later for the fries and milkshake because the body cannot process it
all at once. You'll just end up carrying 5 extra pounds out of
town..........inside your stomach.
Yogi
www.yogisbooks.com
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On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:55 PM, goslowgofar <goslowgofar at yahoo.com
<http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>> wrote:
>/ So, are you saying that PCT hikers don't lose any weight until after
>they
/>/ pick up the bear canisters at KM? Hmmm. Don't think that's accurate.
I
/>/ know that on the AT, where bear canisters aren't used, and food
resupply
/>/ options are plentiful, hikers still lose weight. That was definitely
true
/>/ when I hiked it in '85...
/>/ I'd rather use a bear canister and protect the bears. It's part of the
/>/ experience!
/>/ Katy
/>/
/>/ Ned said:
/>/ ________________________________
/>/
/>/ A little reflection on the use of Bear Canisters (BCs) by JMT vs. PCT
thru
/>/ hikers and weight loss... I was wondering, with the requirement of BCs
thru
/>/ some of the roughest sections of the Pacific Crest Trail (basically all
of
/>/ the JMT), could it be so simple a statement as to say their food-space
/>/ limitations are the reason why PCT thru hikers lose so much weight? The
JMT
/>/ thru hiker starts out with a BC, but they aren't that hungry at first,
so
/>/ the BC works for them (at least for a while). The PCT thru hiker starts
/>/ using a BC after their first 30 or so days on-trail, certainly at the
point
/>/ already where they are really hungry, then are limited with the volume
of
/>/ food they can carry and must start a long-term food depreciation phase
over
/>/ the toughest trail and snow of their trip! Is there any sense to this?
BCs
/>/ are good for the bear, but not so good for the food-starving,
long-distance
/>/ hiker! So, I guess for the areas where BCs are required, it is best
/>/ to major carbo-load before going in or do these sections after several
/>/ weeks of packing in town food reserves, otherwise you're going to lose
/>/ weight! For some, this could be a good thing (to lose weight), but for
the
/>/ skinny people like me, I "bonk" pretty early without eating a ton of
food
/>/ (after being on the trail for at least a week). So, a Bear Canister can
be
/>/ a real food volume limiter and we can't do anything about it except
bring
/>/ two canisters (which my son did when he flip-flopped the JMT a few
years
/>/ ago)... Food for thought. (Hey, just sayin'!) Ned Tibbits, Director
/>/ Mountain Education, Inc.
///
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