[pct-l] Bear Canisters: Good for Bear, not for Hungry Hiker?

Tue Aug 12 20:34:53 CDT 2014

Oh wise one, please do enlighten the unwashed masses about "many other ways to keep food away from
bears".

Stop railing at "bureaucrats"; these are people just doing their jobs they best way they know how.

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 From: Gail Van Velzer <vanvelzer at charter.net>
To: ned at mountaineducation.org; johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com 
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net 
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Canisters: Good for Bear, not for Hungry Hiker?

Ned,
You hit the nail on the head!  Through my study, I have found that there are 
many other ways to keep food away from bears; that the BC is not the only 
way.  Why is it then, that the Forest Service beaurocrats who sit behind a 
desk and never get out there on a trail are making these decisions?  Also, 
for those of us who have medical issues (diabetes), carb loading isn't an 
option!  I would like the forest service to allow other proven means of 
protecting food from bears...but like that's going to happen!
Golly

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Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 2:12 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Bear Canisters: Good for Bear, not for Hungry Hiker?

>A little reflection on the use of Bear Canisters (BCs) by JMT vs. PCT thru 
>hikers and weight loss...
>
> I was wondering, with the requirement of BCs thru some of the roughest 
> sections of the Pacific Crest Trail (basically all of the JMT), could it 
> be so simple a statement as to say their food-space limitations are the 
> reason why PCT thru hikers lose so much weight?
>
> The JMT thru hiker starts out with a BC, but they aren’t that hungry at 
> first, so the BC works for them (at least for a while).
>
> The PCT thru hiker starts using a BC after their first 30 or so days 
> on-trail, certainly at the point already where they are really hungry, 
> then are limited with the volume of food they can carry and must start a 
> long-term food depreciation phase over the toughest trail and snow of 
> their trip!
>
> Is there any sense to this? BCs are good for the bear, but not so good for 
> the food-starving, long-distance hiker!
>
> So, I guess for the areas where BCs are required, it is best to major 
> carbo-load before going in or do these sections after several weeks of 
> packing in town food reserves, otherwise you’re going to lose weight!
>
> For some, this could be a good thing (to lose weight), but for the skinny 
> people like me, I “bonk” pretty early without eating a ton of food (after 
> being on the trail for at least a week).
>
> So, a Bear Canister can be a real food volume limiter and we can’t do 
> anything about it except bring two canisters (which my son did when he 
> flip-flopped the JMT a few years ago)...
>
> Food for thought. (Hey, just sayin’!)
>
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
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