[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 76, Issue 34
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Wed Apr 30 12:50:16 CDT 2014
Good Morning Sanjay,
I thought this was an appropriate message to demonstrate this pct email thread is a reliable source of information. In this instance people are relying on this information to confirm water caches. It to easy to join and you get an email every day. I dont read everything but if you drop a question you will get responses from people that have done the PCT or are currently on the PCT...
Cordially,
Jim
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Water Caches (Fritz Ward)
2. Re: 2013 class video (Fritz Ward)
3. Lost poncho/ground cloth approx mi 412 (River Malcolm)
4. Re: Water Caches (Eric Lee)
5. Re: Water Caches (Dave Fajer)
6. Re: Water Caches ( Cat McPeek )
7. Tom, please add me to your LinkedIn network
(Logan Siler via LinkedIn)
8. Bounces (marmot marmot)
9. Re: Tom, please add me to your LinkedIn network (Luce Cruz)
10. iPhone/Solarmonkey cable lost at ADZPCTKO (Sharon Young)
11. Re: Bounces (Brick Robbins)
12. Re: Bounces (Eric Lee)
13. Re: Bounces (James F. Miller)
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15. Re: Bounces (Yoshihiro Murakami)
16. Re: Bounces (Ryan Brooks)
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19. Re: Tom, please add me to your LinkedIn network (Tortoise)
20. Re: 2013 class video (Tortoise)
21. rare-video-shows-bears-climbing-sheer-cliff (Nathan Dreon)
22. (no subject) (santos666091525)
23. Re: Water Caches (Luis Velasco)
24. Lone Pine motels (walt Durling)
25. Re: Lone Pine motels (rickandurs at juno.com)
26. Re: Lone Pine motels (Stephen Clark)
27. Re: Water Caches (Stephen Clark)
28. Ride from Idyllwild to Big Bear (John Casterline)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:20:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Fritz Ward <fritz7ntd at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water Caches
To: David_Harris at hmc.edu, velascoluis at cox.net
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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And as a side note, those of us who have been doing small caches of water (and fruit) are starting to get overwhelmed by the numbers. I know I cannot keep up, so while I like to maintain a spot where hikers can enjoy a drink and some shade, I cannot possibly get enough water and other items into my cooler to keep up with the new numbers. I don't know how many other trail angels are in the same boat, but relying on smaller caches like Team Turtle's is just not advisable, and I apologize in advance to those who have found it empty.
Best wishes, Lonely Turtle
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From: David Money Harris <David_Harris at hmc.edu>
To: velascoluis <velascoluis at cox.net>
Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 3:06 am
Subject: [pct-l] Water Caches
Luis,
I?ve hiked the CA PCT without using water caches and I drink a lot. I carried 7
quarts from Rodriguez Tank to Barrel Spring and from Subway Cave across Hat
Creek Rim. I caught both of these stretches on days that weren?t at peak heat
and might have needed more capacity if they were warmer. I also carried 5-6
quarts on the 25-mile waterless stretches and could have needed more on hotter
days.
I don?t believe that it?s prudent to rely on a cache being available, and as
soon as I take that to heart, it means I have to carry enough to safely go from
reliable source to reliable source without needing a cache. Planning for these
sections added to the challenge and appeal of the hike for me.
I think it?s good to have small caches for emergencies; if I?d taken an injury
or had a catastrophic water system failure, I could have been in a bad situation
without the caches. But I disagree with the present dominant trail philosophy
that relies on carrying just enough water to go from cache to cache, and
especially with the minority that use cached water for discretionary purposes
such as washing. While I deeply appreciate the temptation to use a cache when I
see one, I think the explosion of caches along the trail may actually condition
us to be less self-reliant and thus degrade the PCT experience.
Doing the trail without caches involves being able to walk 20-30 miles per day
across some of these long stretches. Folks in the 10-15 mile per day pace would
have to carry well over 10 quarts, which is possible but unpleasant. But those
on such a pace aren?t through-hiking, and can solve their water issues by
preplacing personal caches somewhere out of sight.
David
Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:54:56 -0700
From: Luis Velasco <velascoluis at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water Cache at Scissors Xing
To: <gary_schenk at verizon.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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That is a Great question.
I?ve been pondering the same issue for years; not for the fact that water
is scarce between long distances but how to compensate for it. Where I
live (San Diego) many of the trails are without easy access water sources,
without encroaching on private property.
I?m a Water Guzzler, so I simple carry at least 5 liters when I hike.
However, I would really like to do the PCT trail without water caches and
want to know if any other Water Guzzler (like me) has accomplished this,
and more importantly, how?
- Luis
On 4/24/14, 8:14 AM, "gary_schenk at verizon.net" <gary_schenk at verizon.net>
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> So the question might be, why are water caches so necessary? Is the trail
> impossible to hike without them?
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:24:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Fritz Ward <fritz7ntd at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2013 class video
To: vanvelzer at charter.net, tortoise73 at charter.net
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The preview we saw at kickoff was wonderful. I would love to get a dvd of the video to show my students.
Lonely Turtle.
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Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2013 class video
Would love to see it too. I missed it at the kickoff.
Golly
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> Is the 2013 class video out yet? Is it available for download
> somewhere?
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:53:30 -0700
From: River Malcolm <river at orcasonline.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Lost poncho/ground cloth approx mi 412
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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If you find my cuben fiber poncho/ground cloth which I suspect I left either at my campsite east of trail at mi 412 ( by the way there is ATT cell coverage if you walk east toward the edge)or possibly sulfur springs campground.
If you find it and can carry it to your next resupply and we can work out a way for you to send it to me you will have warned an entire constellation of stars in trail angel heaven.
Thanks for your good thoughts. It is great to be on the trail even when hard things happen -- even when they're my mistakes! Most of the time they are impersonal -- fire, wind, rain, poodle bush, endangered a species -- I like that the trail teaches me to take my own mistakes ( and those of others) less personally.
Thanks
River
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:00:42 -0700
From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water Caches
To: "'PCT'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Lonely Turtle wrote:
>
I know I cannot keep up, so while I like to maintain a spot where hikers can
enjoy a drink and some shade, I cannot possibly get enough water and other
items into my cooler to keep up with the new numbers.
>
As a trail angel, it's always tempting to set your sights on serving *every*
thru-hiker that comes along. That used to be feasible many years ago but
isn't any longer, for most people. We need to get away from the idea of
this stuff as "trail infrastructure" and go back to the idea of "trail
magic". Some people will be in the right place at the right time to enjoy
what you provide, and others will not, and that's just the magic of the
trail.
Think of it this way: if you pick up a hitchhiking thruhiker and give them a
ride, that doesn't obligate you to hang around at that trailhead for the
next three weeks and give rides to everyone. You do what you can and let
serendipity hold sway. The same mentality should apply to water caches,
food caches, opening your home, etc., etc. There's nothing sadder than
seeing the stressed, harried look on a trail angel's face when they've set a
goal of serving every thru-hiker on the trail and then they get overwhelmed
by all the traffic. I've witnessed a couple of those situations and believe
me, no one goes away feeling good about it.
Conversely, thru-hikers need to understand that *nothing* on the trail is
guaranteed. Not water caches, not rides, not people's homes. Enjoy what
you come across but don't get pissed when you miss it. It's all part of the
magic of the trail.
Eric
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:32:17 -0700
From: Dave Fajer <davefajer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water Caches
To: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>, 'PCT' <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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An outstanding summary and message!
Thanks,
Coastal
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com> </div><div>Date:04/29/2014 11:00 AM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: 'PCT' <pct-l at backcountry.net> </div><div>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water Caches </div><div>
</div>Lonely Turtle wrote:
>
I know I cannot keep up, so while I like to maintain a spot where hikers can
enjoy a drink and some shade, I cannot possibly get enough water and other
items into my cooler to keep up with the new numbers.
>
As a trail angel, it's always tempting to set your sights on serving *every*
thru-hiker that comes along.? That used to be feasible many years ago but
isn't any longer, for most people.? We need to get away from the idea of
this stuff as "trail infrastructure" and go back to the idea of "trail
magic".? Some people will be in the right place at the right time to enjoy
what you provide, and others will not, and that's just the magic of the
trail.
Think of it this way: if you pick up a hitchhiking thruhiker and give them a
ride, that doesn't obligate you to hang around at that trailhead for the
next three weeks and give rides to everyone.? You do what you can and let
serendipity hold sway.? The same mentality should apply to water caches,
food caches, opening your home, etc., etc.? There's nothing sadder than
seeing the stressed, harried look on a trail angel's face when they've set a
goal of serving every thru-hiker on the trail and then they get overwhelmed
by all the traffic.? I've witnessed a couple of those situations and believe
me, no one goes away feeling good about it.
Conversely, thru-hikers need to understand that *nothing* on the trail is
guaranteed.? Not water caches, not rides, not people's homes.? Enjoy what
you come across but don't get pissed when you miss it.? It's all part of the
magic of the trail.
Eric
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 12:09:42 -0700
From: " Cat McPeek " <sagegirl51 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water Caches
To: " Eric Lee " <saintgimp at hotmail.com>, " 'PCT' "
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This is so true. Magic is just that.
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From: "Eric Lee" <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
To: "'PCT'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Water Caches
Date: Tue, Apr 29, 2014 11:00 AM
Lonely Turtle wrote:
>
I know I cannot keep up, so while I like to maintain a spot where hikers can
enjoy a drink and some shade, I cannot possibly get enough water and other
items into my cooler to keep up with the new numbers.
>
As a trail angel, it's always tempting to set your sights on serving *every*
thru-hiker that comes along. That used to be feasible many years ago but
isn't any longer, for most people. We need to get away from the idea of
this stuff as "trail infrastructure" and go back to the idea of "trail
magic". Some people will be in the right place at the right time to enjoy
what you provide, and others will not, and that's just the magic of the
trail.
Think of it this way: if you pick up a hitchhiking thruhiker and give them a
ride, that doesn't obligate you to hang around at that trailhead for the
next three weeks and give rides to everyone. You do what you can and let
serendipity hold sway. The same mentality should apply to water caches,
food caches, opening your home, etc., etc. There's nothing sadder than
seeing the stressed, harried look on a trail angel's face when they've set a
goal of serving every thru-hiker on the trail and then they get overwhelmed
by all the traffic. I've witnessed a couple of those situations and believe
me, no one goes away feeling good about it.
Conversely, thru-hikers need to understand that *nothing* on the trail is
guaranteed. Not water caches, not rides, not people's homes. Enjoy what
you come across but don't get pissed when you miss it. It's all part of the
magic of the trail.
Eric
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 19:19:01 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: [pct-l] Tom, please add me to your LinkedIn network
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 12:19:25 -0700
From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Bounces
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I do not understand what you mean by bounces. I simply hit reply or reply all when answering. Tried to reply just to the email I was sent(owner) but that did not go through. Marmot
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 12:37:32 -0700
From: Luce Cruz <lucecruz13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tom, please add me to your LinkedIn network
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