[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 69, Issue 28- Shoe recommnedation: Trail Runner or Boot
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Tim-
I recommend the Soloman XA 3D Ultra 2 (Gortex version). I completed a 520 mile section through Oregon and part of Washington this year and they were very comfortable, stiff but not cumbersome, and water resistent during the miles in washington. I am an avid trail unner and would not even consider running in these as I prefer lighter shoes ( La Sportiv as, etc). But for the PCT or trail with a pack, these shoes were perfect. I did break them in prior to the hike as to address and hot-spots. No blisters at all. The toe box was big enough to handle the inevitable foot sweeling. Depending on the terrain, I can proably put another 100-200 miles on them. Also, I have been prone to rolling ankles but cannot wear a high top shoe . This sole base is similar to the Wings model and provided great stability. Good luck and walk-on!
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Today's Topics:
1. Trail Yogurt (Alan Miller)
2. Great article about Lloyd Gust (Rob Flynn)
3. Re: Great article about Lloyd Gust (Rob Flynn)
4. Need a shoe between a NB trail runner and a boot (Tim Umstead)
5. Re: Need a shoe between a NB trail runner and a boot (Jim Banks)
6. Hitchhiking Hints (Mary Kwart)
7. Re: Trail Yogurt (Diane Soini)
8. Re: Hiking shoes and inserts (Diane Soini)
9. Pct Rattlers! (Doug Carlson)
10. Re: Pct Rattlers! (Jim Banks)
11. Re: Pct Rattlers! (Eric Lee)
12. Pct Rattlers! (Maxine Weyant)
13. Re: Pct Rattlers! (Dan Jacobs)
14. Re: Trail Yogurt (Yoshihiro Murakami)
15. Pct Rattlers! (Maxine Weyant)
16. Re: Pct Rattlers! (Dan Jacobs)
17. Pct Rattlers! (Dan C. aka Thumper)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:39:12 -0400
From: Alan Miller <alan.miller401 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Trail Yogurt
To: dianesoini at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi Diane, I saw you had written an article on gossamergear's blog and
recognized your name from here. I was really intrigued by the yogurt. Can
you tell me what proportion of Nido and water you used to make the yogurt.
I have a trip coming up in October and wanted to use the idea to impress a
few friends. Also, is the peanut butter container leak proof? I have
tried using the Ziploc twist-lock things to rehydrate food and found they
leaked all over the place. Thanks
http://gossamergear.com/wp/tips/backpacking-with-no-cook-foods
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:40:44 -0400
From: Rob Flynn <rob.flynn at live.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Great article about Lloyd Gust
To: "Pct-L at backcountry. net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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So sad that future thru-hikers won't be able to experience this great man's
generosity. What a selfless person he is, who made a living from scratch.
I'm glad he will be a part of the Obsidian Falls area; that beautiful spot
will take on even more meaning now.
Inspector Gadget
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:01:50 -0400
From: Rob Flynn <rob.flynn at live.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Great article about Lloyd Gust
To: "'Pct-L at backcountry. net'" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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Apparently that web address was too long, this goes to the same place:
http://tinyurl.com/kkor2ha
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So sad that future thru-hikers won't be able to experience this great man's
generosity. What a selfless person he is, who made a living from scratch.
I'm glad he will be a part of the Obsidian Falls area; that beautiful spot
will take on even more meaning now.
Inspector Gadget
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:24:50 -0700
From: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Need a shoe between a NB trail runner and a boot
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For years my wife and I have hiked in NB trail runners and we have no
complaints. Just recently my wife found out that she have bad arthritis in
the balls joints in one foot. The Dr. advised moving to a shoe with a
stiffer sole. I'm looking for suggestions on a low cut shoe with a stiff
sole. Does any one know of one?
The Ravens
PCT 96
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:36:10 -0700
From: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Need a shoe between a NB trail runner and a boot
To: "'PCT-L'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Tim, look at the line of OBoz (stands for outside Bozeman, they are
headquartered in Bozeman, Montana) trail runners. I have been using the
Hardscrabble for the last few years. It is a trail runner with a sole that
is stiffer than most. Unfortunately, they discontinued that model, but I
think some of their other trail runners have a similar stiff sole. One
thing to watch out for those is that most of their boots and trail runners
have some kind of "water proofing". You probably want to avoid those.
I-Beam
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Subject: [pct-l] Need a shoe between a NB trail runner and a boot
For years my wife and I have hiked in NB trail runners and we have no
complaints. Just recently my wife found out that she have bad arthritis in
the balls joints in one foot. The Dr. advised moving to a shoe with a
stiffer sole. I'm looking for suggestions on a low cut shoe with a stiff
sole. Does any one know of one?
The Ravens
PCT 96
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:09:02 -0700
From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Hitchhiking Hints
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I second Diane's analysis of hitchhiking. I have met some great and
interesting people that way. I have been hitchhiking since the 70's to
get to trails and have only had one bad experience near the Emigrant
Wilderness in the 70's when two guys picked me up? and put my pack in
their camper shell, then quickly started detouring on dirt roads--not
going to the destination. They asked me if I wanted to "party". I said
no and after a few moments they decided I wasn't worth the trouble and
took me back down to the road. But this was when I was young and cute.
Nothing remotely close has happened to me since then. It helps to be
older now because people feel sorry for you and their sense of
curiosity is aroused about why someone of that age is out and about.
You can really get picked up fast when there are two older people
hitching together--I hitched into Lake City with an older male
Colorado Trail hiker I met a few days earlier. We played the older
couple card--?We got picked up by a young couple who were intrigued
about us and since it was starting to hail, felt sorry for us being in
the bad weather. They said they never picked up hitchhikers.
--Fireweed
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:55:17 -0700
From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Yogurt
To: Alan Miller <alan.miller401 at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I learned the yogurt trick from Shroomer. He uses ziplocs. My jar was
leakproof. I have to search to find good leakproof containers and
when I do, I save them.
I was not precise with measurements. I tested it at home using the
measurements on the back of the Nido. But out in the field, I'm
pretty sure I used a lot more Nido than the ratio for they say for milk.
My yogurt would sometimes be runny, but it still tasted good.
Sometimes, like when it got really hot, it would get sort of chunky
like ricotta cheese. Sometimes it would be like perfect yogurt but it
seemed to be a lot tangier and sometimes it even seemed a little
carbonated.
Since Shroomer never got sick doing this despite doing it for most of
the CDT, I thought I would give it a try, and I never got sick doing
it for two weeks either. It's a war of the good vs the bad bacteria.
The good ones taste good and the bad ones don't, so it's easy to tell
who has won.
On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Alan Miller wrote:
> Hi Diane, I saw you had written an article on gossamergear's blog
> and recognized your name from here. I was really intrigued by the
> yogurt. Can you tell me what proportion of Nido and water you used
> to make the yogurt. I have a trip coming up in October and wanted
> to use the idea to impress a few friends. Also, is the peanut
> butter container leak proof? I have tried using the Ziploc twist-
> lock things to rehydrate food and found they leaked all over the
> place. Thanks
>
> http://gossamergear.com/wp/tips/backpacking-with-no-cook-foods
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:00:05 -0700
From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking shoes and inserts
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I have always wanted to try this. Thanks for the field report! I got
a small stick that went right through my worn-out New Balance Minimus
once.
On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking shoes and inserts
>
> I cut a plastic insole from a gallon water jug to go under my shoe
> insoles which gave me added protection and a bit more support.
>
> -Trew
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:43:38 -0700
From: "Doug Carlson" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Pct Rattlers!
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I was out hiking this morning here in AZ and almost stepped on a rattler-
only one half rattle on this tail. He was coiled up into a tight ball on
the trail I was hiking on and I almost stepped on him without seeing him.
In passing he moved and I caught the movement and jumped away. It was a
rattler alright- and absolutely quiet. Very close call. I do have a
picture of the rattler, BTW, taken right after it died.
Now my wife is a little more concerned tonight about, well, rattlers. Does
anyone know of any PCT hikers that have been bitten on the trail? I know
there is always a first for everything, but I want to assure her snake
bites are very rare occurrences on the trail. At least I hope that is the
case.
-Trew
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:17:08 -0700
From: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct Rattlers!
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I assume that when you say "right after it died," that you killed the snake.
Why would you do that? If somehow I misread your post, then please
disregard the following.
Snakes are part of natural world and play a very important part in the
balance of life. I enjoy seeing wildlife on the trail, including rattle
snakes. If this is your level of respect for the wildlife, please stay
home!
I-Beam
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Subject: [pct-l] Pct Rattlers!
I was out hiking this morning here in AZ and almost stepped on a rattler-
only one half rattle on this tail. He was coiled up into a tight ball on
the trail I was hiking on and I almost stepped on him without seeing him.
In passing he moved and I caught the movement and jumped away. It was a
rattler alright- and absolutely quiet. Very close call. I do have a
picture of the rattler, BTW, taken right after it died.
Now my wife is a little more concerned tonight about, well, rattlers. Does
anyone know of any PCT hikers that have been bitten on the trail? I know
there is always a first for everything, but I want to assure her snake
bites are very rare occurrences on the trail. At least I hope that is the
case.
-Trew
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:24:42 -0700
From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct Rattlers!
To: "'Doug Carlson'" <doug-sue at centurylink.net>,
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Trew wrote:
>
Now my wife is a little more concerned tonight about, well, rattlers. Does
anyone know of any PCT hikers that have been bitten on the trail? I know
there is always a first for everything, but I want to assure her snake
bites are very rare occurrences on the trail. At least I hope that is the
case.
>
Rattlesnake bites are indeed very rare occurrences on the PCT. At the
moment I can't recall any stories of people being bitten at all, though I
think there must have been a couple over the last 14 years that I've been
connected to the community. I'm quite sure that no one has died from a bite
on the PCT during that time.
If you find rattlesnakes on the PCT, please don't kill them. Just go around
them, or carefully prod them to move with your hiking poles or something.
There's no good reason to kill them and several bad outcomes when you do.
Eric
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:41:52 -0700
From: Maxine Weyant <weyantm at msn.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Pct Rattlers!
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If you feel compelled and entitled to kill animals along the trail that you don't like or that frighten you, I respectfully suggest that you stay off the PCT.
(And the AT, the CDT, the Arizona Trail?..)
Dys-feng shui-nal
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:33:04 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct Rattlers!
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I believer it is very unfair, even immature, to jump to such conclusions
without having the rest of the story. Those that believe they have the
right and/or duty to admonish without the details should be ashamed of
their actions and lack of patience.
Please keep those jerky knees away from me.
Dan Jacobs
Vancouver, WA
On Sep 27, 2013 9:42 PM, "Maxine Weyant" <weyantm at msn.com> wrote:
> If you feel compelled and entitled to kill animals along the trail that
> you don't like or that frighten you, I respectfully suggest that you stay
> off the PCT.
> (And the AT, the CDT, the Arizona Trail?..)
>
> Dys-feng shui-nal
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:51:45 +0900
From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Yogurt
Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Alan Miller
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I also learned the yogurt from Shroomer this summer. I used powdered milk.
I don't know whether it worked fine, because my yogurt tasted sour and I
did not know the taste of Shroomer's yogurt. The taste of powdered milk is
too sweet for me, so I think it is better to make yogurt on the trail.
Shroomer used ziplocs, but I think it is better to use plastic container as
like Diane. I keep one, and ready to make the yogurt on the trail in Japan.
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 00:48:01 -0700
From: Maxine Weyant <weyantm at msn.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Pct Rattlers!
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Well, he stepped over the snake. Then he said it was dead. Pardon me for jumping to conclusions.
I don't think I'm being a knee-jerk whatever you're trying to label me with for assuming that he killed the snake.
If the snake had leapt to its own death out of shame for only having one rattle, if it had drawn a gun on the guy, if it had hissed
something insulting to the man about having done something to his sister, or his mother...
well, I think he might have mentioned it.
If someone says: "There was this bear (marmot, cougar, deer, cow, lizard, elk?) near the trail, which I didn't see it at first until it moved,
which frightened me, so I bludgeoned it to death," even though nothing bad had happened--when is that ever OK?
Dys-feng shui-nal
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:27:26 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct Rattlers!
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I don't deal in off list shenanigans and spreading of rumors. I continue to
reserve judgment until I have more details straight from the horses mouth.
Dan Jacobs
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 7:25:59 -0700
From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Pct Rattlers!
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I want Dan on my jury!
Thumper
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