[pct-l] Opinions on the list -MTB

[Jim Banks]

Jim, the last part of your post is very misleading (I assume unintentional).
ALL of the PCT is off limits to bikes.  There is not one inch of it where
they are legal.

I-Beam

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Jim Marco
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 5:30 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Opinions on the list -MTB

Nick, 
	I generally support all kinds of non-motorized activities in the
backcountry. Generally, rules are in place for a reason, though. Taking a
bike through heavily wooded areas, is no problem. Taking a bike up, or down,
a rocky mountain trail is quite dangerous. I generally use my common sense
about dangerous situations. I could hope that anyone would check the rules
first. I have found sections of trails closed for hunting, for example. If
there is any potential danger caused by my activity, I need to check if that
activity is allowed. Be it canoeing, hiking, riding horses, skiing,
snowshoeing or whatever. 
	Rules for the trail are often posted at the trail heads, but not
always. Ignorance of the rules, or the law, is no excuse. Sometimes a lake
will require special gear, for example, artificial lures only. I always
check before I go fishing. I will get a ticket even if I don't know. If I
want to ride my mountain bike, I need to do the same. I check before I go
riding. Unless I have that information, then I feel I am in the wrong, if
someone challenges me. Worse, I am being stupid for not checking, and, I
deserve the bloody ticket. The onus is on the person participating in
whatever activity. Fires are not allowed. You get a ticket for building one
whether you know about the rule or not. Setting up camp on a property
easement is about the same, 'cept they call it trespass, the easement is
only for hiking through. A lot of precedent across the board about this. The
biker is expected to know.
	So, this leads me to the conclusion, that whether the mountain biker
knows it or not is irrelevant. Unless the trail section is marked
specifically allowing them, most of the PCT is "out of bounds." 
	Anyway, you were looking for opinions...
		jdm  

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Nick Thelen
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:18 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Opinions on the list -MTB



JPL wrote:
"...in my opinion and experience, those who know they are in the wrong..."
____________________________________________

Although I did appreciate the rest of what you wrote....difficult to counter
the logic, even if my personal opinion sees it as not realistic....I would
like to address the single line of yours quoted above.

There are very many who believe that they are simply not in the wrong, nor
are they doing anything illegal.  The ban in place is dubious at best - and
this information will continue to be distributed throughout the MTB
community.

So it begs the question - if you are incorrect in your assumption that the
MTB'rs encountered on the PCT 'know they are wrong'....how does that change
your perspective, if any?

For if I am told to leave somewhere that I believe I have a right to
be...well, I might just start laughing..
which might make you angry...

angry people have been known to do rash and thoughtless things on
occasion...and no one wants to be part of thoughtless and rash decisions (I
don't at least) ;) _______________________________________________
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