[pct-l] Steel Eye
Al Werner
albertwerner at gmail.com
Fri Oct 18 12:16:39 CDT 2013
I've always enjoyed Steel Eye's posts to the list and haven't seen any
lately. Am I mistaken or does anybody know what he's up to?
Thanks,
Al
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> 1. Movie "Wild" films in Ashland Oregon (Mary Kwart)
> 2. Re: Movie "Wild" films in Ashland Oregon (Dan Jacobs)
> 3. Cascades Lock (JoAnn)
> 4. Paying for SAR (Reinhold Metzger)
> 5. Re: Paying for SAR (Brick Robbins)
> 6. PCT southbounders spotted between Red's Meadow and Sonora
> Pass (Paint Your Wagon)
> 7. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 70, Issue 18 (Geyer, Daniel G)
> 8. Movie "Wild" films in Ashland Oregon (Paint Your Wagon)
> 9. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 70, Issue 18 (Dan Jacobs)
> 10. Re: Paying for SAR (Ned Tibbits)
> 11. trying to unsubscribe (texaspoo666 .)
> 12. Border crossing near Ross lake (Apple Pie)
> 13. Re: Paying for SAR (Terry)
> 14. Re: Paying for SAR (Terry)
> 15. Re: Movie "Wild" films in Ashland Oregon (Carol)
> 16. Re: Movie "Wild" films in Ashland Oregon (Kathi)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:28:06 -0700
> From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Movie "Wild" films in Ashland Oregon
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> FYI and amusement: On Sept 22, scenes for the movie version of
> Cheryl
> Strayed's book "Wild"? will be filmed in Ashland, Oregon. There are
> already large electronic signs on roads into town warning of traffic
> delays. They are shutting several streets. According to the Ashland
> Daily Tidings there will be a scene filmed at a restaurant, on the
> downtown plaza,? and at the post office where "Cheryl" will pick up a
> re-supply package. Whoa--that's what I call drama.
>
> The query is out for extras that look like 90's era puck rockers,
> hippies, Rastafarians and grunge rockers. And also pre-1995 cars to
> line the streets. I am too old and my car is too new to qualify, but
> may wander downtown to observe the circus.
>
> --Fireweed
>
> ?
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:57:46 -0700
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Movie "Wild" films in Ashland Oregon
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > FYI and amusement: On Sept 22, scenes for the movie version of
> > Cheryl
> > Strayed's book "Wild" will be filmed in Ashland, Oregon.
>
>
> Watson, fire up the time machine, we're going back to September!
>
> (If you can't laugh at yourself, you just don't know what funny IS!)
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
> --
> "Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
> Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
> Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:05:57 -0700
> From: "JoAnn" <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Cascades Lock
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> ?PCT Days event. It makes it all SOUND like an official
> organized trail event ??
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> It IS an organized event. These folks do a lot for the hiking community.
> It is not at the beginning of the trail, it is NOT JUST for thru hikers (as
> the ADZ has almost come to be). Why is it so hard for people to follow a
> calendar/schedule? In a thru hikers planning and scheduling his stops,
> drops, etc. are organized before he/she leaves home.. If his schedule shows
> he happens to be at Cascade Locks while the event is going on, that?s fun
> timing. If not, say Hi and keep going. Come on folks, this is just another
> reason hikers should do all the reading they can and know what a schedule
> is. Other than that, it?s not rocket science.
>
> are we there yet
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:12:08 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Paying for SAR
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Ron Dye
> <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
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> Brick wrote:
> I guess if concerned citizens are afraid to call for SAR for fear of
> incurring
> large costs, and people die because of that fear, then it will be OK with a
> sizable minority of the country... they already hold that view for
> healthcare.
> Do you think it is time to get rid of this commie, liberal un american
> free SAR?
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Reinhold writes:
> Say Brick,
> If somebody, in this country, has a medical emergency , would that person
> choose to die, rather than call an ambulance, for fear of incurring a large
> hospital expense?
> Of course not....in this country people do not die in the street for lack
> of
> ability to pay for their medical expenses.
>
> For those with medical insurance the insurance carrier pays the bill.
> For those without medical insurance, but with "deep pockets" their own
> deep pockets will pay the bill.
> For those without medical insurance and without deep enough pockets
> to pay for their medical expenses, the government will pay the bill.
>
> As a result, when people have a medical emergency they call an ambulance
> rather than die for fear of incurring a large hospital expense.
>
> Why should this not apply to SAR?
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:42:31 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Paying for SAR
> To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Reinhold Metzger
> <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
> > For those with medical insurance the insurance carrier pays the bill.
> > For those without medical insurance, but with "deep pockets" their own
> > deep pockets will pay the bill.
> > For those without medical insurance and without deep enough pockets
> > to pay for their medical expenses, the government will pay the bill.
>
> > Why should this not apply to SAR?
>
> <sarcasm>So we reward the lazy poor people by having the government
> pay for them? While we punish the responsible people who have earned
> enough to pay for the rescue? That sounds Communist/Liberal/Fascist or
> something un-american to me.
>
> Anyway, don't feed the strays, they will just breed
> http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11869649 </sarcasm>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:16:14 -0700
> From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT southbounders spotted between Red's Meadow and
> Sonora Pass
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> For your listening and dining pleasure.
> Here?s a list of SOBO thru hikers and/or long distance section hikers that
> I met as I hiked Section H and I north out of Red?s Meadow.
> The time line is approximately the last two weeks of September.
>
> In order of appearance...
>
> Section H
>
> FIRST
> Bearbait/F and Toolbox/F, met just north of Agnew Meadow. (Canada-Mexico)
>
> Tittycakes/M, met as I was ascending the south face of Donoghue Pass.
> (Canada-Mexico)
>
> Rubberband/F, Eagle Eye/F and Artsy/F, met as I was descending the north
> face of Donoghue Pass. (South Lake Tahoe to Onyx)
>
> Yo Yo/M, met at the Davison Street Hostel in Mammoth Lakes.
> (Canada-Mexico) >>> he?s OUT <<<
>
> Section I
>
> Sierra/M, met south of Seavey Pass. (section hiking I) >>> 18,000 miles
> and counting <<<
>
> River/F, met in the bottom of Kerrick Canyon. (section hiking H, I, J, K,
> L, M) >>> 300 miles under her belt since starting <<<
>
> Hot Cakes/F, Smooth/M and Special Ops./M, met as I was climbing west of
> Return Creek (Canada-Mexico)
>
> Jane/F and Nat/M, met as I was climbing between Rancheria Creek and
> Stubblefield Canyon. (Canada-Mexico)
>
> LAST
> Puppeteer/M, met at the water crossing in Stubblefield Canyon
> (Canada-Mexico)
>
>
> FWIW: I?m now off the trail, having left the southern border May 20th.
> I attempted a thru hike border to border for a second year in a row.
> I exited the PCT at Sonora Pass, calling my hike due to chronic and severe
> plantar faciitis in my left foot.
> Also, recurring trauma to my right foot that was badly sprained last year,
> just 3 days out from the border, got steadily worse.
> The big descents off the major passes during the JMT section, inflamed my
> injuries exponentially.
> I was off trail at mile 210, with a testicular injury (acute tear) for 26
> days.
> A bout with giardia sidelined me for 18 days at V V R.
> Last but not least, much merriment in Mammoth Lakes resulted in an
> additional 29 zeros.
>
> I?m thinking about starting a little earlier next year... say... January
> 1st.
>
> Lessons learned:
>
> 1 Fix feet (left orthotics in a pair of boots overseas- replace them)
> 2 Train, train, train (used a cavalier and very flawed strategy of
> training on the trail- never again)
> 3 Obtain light to ultra light gear (heavy trucker two years in a row- I
> got the message)
> 4 Earlier departure date (left late May- should?ve left mid March)
> 5 Bring discipline to the use and dispensation of zero days (I don?t like
> the sound of that strategy one bit) Ha!
>
> At your service,
>
> Paint.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:37:58 +0000
> From: "Geyer, Daniel G" <Daniel.G.Geyer at boeing.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 70, Issue 18
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> dummy me, I should have just read your post better. sorry
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> 1. Raven Song's email (Tracy Fisher)
> 2. Raven Song's email (Nick Thelen)
> 3. Re: 2013 PCT Hiker Register - Wapinitia Pass/Hwy 26, Oregon
> (Walt Mayberry)
> 4. Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be changed?
> (Rob Langsdorf)
> 5. Re: Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
> changed? (Dan Jacobs)
> 6. Re: Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
> changed? (Jackie McDonnell)
> 7. Re: Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
> changed? (Andrea Dinsmore)
> 8. Re: Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
> changed? (Bob Bankhead)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:08:27 +0000
> From: Tracy Fisher <tfisher9 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Raven Song's email
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Does anyone have Raven Song's, the trail angel in N. Cascades, email?
>
> Tracy Fisher (aka Running Commentary)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:30:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nick Thelen <nthelen03 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Raven Song's email
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Pretty sure this is it....I'm a decent data miner ;)
>
>
> kitravensong at hotmail.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:59:00 -0700
> From: Walt Mayberry <wmayberry at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2013 PCT Hiker Register - Wapinitia Pass/Hwy 26,
> Oregon
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Updates from the Oregon Wapinitia Pass/Hwy 26 trail register are posted at
> the link below - 218x confirmed Thru 207x NOBO, 5x SOBO, 6x FF), 114x
> Section and 279x day/short leg/unknown hikers this year. This is a 21%
> increase (vs 180) in thru hikers passing by this point compared to last
> year.
>
> The register was taken in for the year at 7 pm on Oct 1. Though it is very
> nice in the Cascades now, the fall rains started early in Oregon and there
> is now snow in Washington. It has been about a week since the last thru
> hiker. This will be the last update for the season.
>
> Walt
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Walt Mayberry <wmayberry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have placed a trail register at Wapinitia Pass, OR. It is in a box on a
> > post just to the west of the Hwy 26 crossing near mile 2108 (Postholer
> map)
> > / 2097 (Halfmile map) and about 10 mi south of Timberline Lodge. Please
> > leave a note to share with others as you pass.
> >
> > I will occasionally post register updates on the Postholder PCT forum at:
> > http://postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2494
> >
> > The register was placed on July 9. As of Aug 8 @ 12:00 pm - 25x Thru (16x
> > NOBO, 4x SOBO, 5x FF), 51x Section and 57 day/short leg/unknown hikers.
> > Compared to 2012, this is a 19% increase in Thru hikers and 65% increase
> in
> > Section hikers.
> >
> > Wapanitia Pass trail registers for 2010 and 2011 can be viewed here:
> > http://postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1357
> >
> > Wapanitia Pass trail registers for 2012 can be viewed here:
> > http://postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2277
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:04:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rob Langsdorf <sdscpcts at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
> changed?
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hi All,
> ?
> ??? I have been wondering what the impact of having the PCT days event at
> Cascade Locks on the weekend after Labor Day weekend may have had on
> encouraging PCT hikers to be late in reaching the boarder?
> ?
> ??? One post said, "Taka attended the PCT Days, and then headed towards
> the Canadian border."
> ?
> ??? He was the Japanese hiker who was stuck at Milk Creek this year due to
> heavy snows. I wonder how many other hikers were stopped or delayed by the
> snow this year because they went to the PCT days event and then tried to
> hike to Canada.
> ?
> ??? What if the PCT days were held the week before Labor Day? Would this
> encourage hikers to either go faster or to skip north to the locks, do the
> hike to Canada and then flip back to pick up the segments that they had
> missed?
> ?
> ???? Mataguay Connector Rob
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:50:38 -0700
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks
> be changed?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Oct 16, 2013 6:08 PM, "Rob Langsdorf" <sdscpcts at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have been wondering what the impact of having the PCT days event at
> Cascade Locks on the weekend after Labor Day weekend may have had on
> encouraging PCT hikers to be late in reaching the border?
>
> Is PCT Days in CL intended for the current year through hikers, or as an
> awareness and appreciation event, or???
>
> If its main or co-reason for being is to serve the current hikers, than
> moving it a fair piece earlier may be a good idea to motivate folks father
> north earlier, but never underestimate the hiker overestimating their
> abilities or underestimating the ease of the trail in Washington. I think
> that is the real problem.
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:03:46 -0500
> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks
> be changed?
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> The person who organizes PCT Days is Nabor J. He asked me to post the
> following email to the list.
>
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "PCT DAYS is not the Kick Off, which is an event geared toward
> through-hikers. This has been a point of confusion for some people. PCT
> DAYS is a gathering of the outdoor recreation community and the businesses
> that support it. The date of PCT DAYS should have no bearing on when and
> where people are on the trail. Whether or not they choose to attend the
> event, people need to consider that adverse conditions can begin anytime
> after September 1st in the Cascade Range and be prepared for their own
> accountability."
>
> Jason Waicunas, Outdoor Viewfinder
> Photography Instructor & Oregon Registered Guide
> oviewfinder at gmail.com
> 503.705.6769
> http://oviewfinder.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Rob Langsdorf <sdscpcts at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have been wondering what the impact of having the PCT days event at
> > Cascade Locks on the weekend after Labor Day weekend may have had on
> > encouraging PCT hikers to be late in reaching the boarder?
> >
> > One post said, "Taka attended the PCT Days, and then headed towards
> > the Canadian border."
> >
> > He was the Japanese hiker who was stuck at Milk Creek this year due
> to
> > heavy snows. I wonder how many other hikers were stopped or delayed by
> the
> > snow this year because they went to the PCT days event and then tried to
> > hike to Canada.
> >
> > What if the PCT days were held the week before Labor Day? Would this
> > encourage hikers to either go faster or to skip north to the locks, do
> the
> > hike to Canada and then flip back to pick up the segments that they had
> > missed?
> >
> > Mataguay Connector Rob
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:49:30 -0700
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks
> be changed?
> To: Rob Langsdorf <sdscpcts at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> PCT Days is one week into September. Then 2 more weeks to Stevens....then
> 2 more weeks, depending if there's a big snow dump, to the Canadian border.
> That puts you at the border in October. Unless you hang at Snoqualmie or
> Stevens or Stehekin. All you guys that say that any time in October is just
> fine......not on a high snow year. Timing is a personal preference. I
> pissed off a lot of hikers this year trying to explain and prepare them for
> the hassles they were walking into. If you have a timing issue for whatever
> reason or don't care to buy extra winter gear then I would suggest be here
> a little sooner. The nice weather timing of 5-6 days from Stevens to
> Stehekin is very different when you are in 3' of snow. Same with Stehekin
> to the border. It's up to you. I would be reading the journals for the late
> hikers from this year. What they did was rough and logistics was a pain in
> the rear. Between our place and the Cascadia Inn up in Skykomish, we had
> 130 hikers by September 1st. Thrus and section hikers. Our total count for
> the year was 388. Cascadia total count was 60. We both are up 15-20 % each
> year.
>
> PCT MOM
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Rob Langsdorf <sdscpcts at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have been wondering what the impact of having the PCT days event at
> > Cascade Locks on the weekend after Labor Day weekend may have had on
> > encouraging PCT hikers to be late in reaching the boarder?
> >
> > One post said, "Taka attended the PCT Days, and then headed towards
> > the Canadian border."
> >
> > He was the Japanese hiker who was stuck at Milk Creek this year due
> to
> > heavy snows. I wonder how many other hikers were stopped or delayed by
> the
> > snow this year because they went to the PCT days event and then tried to
> > hike to Canada.
> >
> > What if the PCT days were held the week before Labor Day? Would this
> > encourage hikers to either go faster or to skip north to the locks, do
> the
> > hike to Canada and then flip back to pick up the segments that they had
> > missed?
> >
> > Mataguay Connector Rob
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:40:29 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks
> be changed?
> To: "PCT List Forum" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I suspect a major source of confusion is the PCTA's active sponsorship and
> promotion of the PCT Days event. It makes it all SOUND like an official
> organized trail event - THE place to be at that point in time to commune
> with fellow thrus. This is especially significant as Cascade Locks is right
> on-trail, and a popular and convenient lay-over/entry/exit point. Add to
> that the fact that it gets more widely discussed/promoted each year on
> various forums by the attendees.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Jackie McDonnell
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Should the date of the PCT days at Cascade Locks be
> changed?
>
> The person who organizes PCT Days is Nabor J. He asked me to post the
> following email to the list.
>
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
> "PCT DAYS is not the Kick Off, which is an event geared toward
> through-hikers. This has been a point of confusion for some people. PCT
> DAYS is a gathering of the outdoor recreation community and the businesses
> that support it. The date of PCT DAYS should have no bearing on when and
> where people are on the trail. Whether or not they choose to attend the
> event, people need to consider that adverse conditions can begin anytime
> after September 1st in the Cascade Range and be prepared for their own
> accountability."
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:43:45 -0700
> From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Movie "Wild" films in Ashland Oregon
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net> wrote:
> >>> FYI and amusement: On Sept 22, scenes for the movie version of> Cheryl
> > Strayed's book "Wild" will be filmed in Ashland, Oregon.
>
> Watson, fire up the time machine, we're going back to September!
> (If you can't laugh at yourself, you just don't know what funny IS!)
>
> Dan JacobsWashougal--
> "Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
> Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
> Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
>
> >>> Watson, fire up the time machine, we're going back to September! <<<
>
> OK That?s pretty damn funny (ready for it) I don?t care who you are.
> Paint.
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:33:09 -0700
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 70, Issue 18
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> On Oct 17, 2013 1:38 PM, "Geyer, Daniel G" <Daniel.G.Geyer at boeing.com>
> wrote:
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> > dummy me, I should have just read your post better. sorry
>
> Dear Mr Geyer,
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:44:27 -0700
> From: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Paying for SAR
> To: "Reinhold Metzger" <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>, "PCT"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Message-ID: <CBB7FB7B4AAC447E839EED54AFC58210 at NedPC>
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>
> Interesting thing is, when we roll out a SAR response at about 1700, set up
> an Incident Command by 2000hrs, send in the hasty team within the hour,
> find
> the near-the-trailhead victim by 0100, and get them out by 0300, when we
> first contact them almost everyone's first question to us is, "Do I have to
> pay anything for you guys?" And if you continue the conversation, they say,
> "well, I didn't want to call for help because I thought it would cost a
> fortune!"
>
> In backcountry rescue, people do delay a call for help because of a lack of
> knowledge about how SAR works...
>
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> www.mountaineducation.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reinhold Metzger
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:12 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net ; PCT ; Ron Dye
> Subject: [pct-l] Paying for SAR
>
> Brick wrote:
> I guess if concerned citizens are afraid to call for SAR for fear of
> incurring
> large costs, and people die because of that fear, then it will be OK with a
> sizable minority of the country... they already hold that view for
> healthcare.
> Do you think it is time to get rid of this commie, liberal un american
> free SAR?
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Reinhold writes:
> Say Brick,
> If somebody, in this country, has a medical emergency , would that person
> choose to die, rather than call an ambulance, for fear of incurring a large
> hospital expense?
> Of course not....in this country people do not die in the street for lack
> of
> ability to pay for their medical expenses.
>
> For those with medical insurance the insurance carrier pays the bill.
> For those without medical insurance, but with "deep pockets" their own
> deep pockets will pay the bill.
> For those without medical insurance and without deep enough pockets
> to pay for their medical expenses, the government will pay the bill.
>
> As a result, when people have a medical emergency they call an ambulance
> rather than die for fear of incurring a large hospital expense.
>
> Why should this not apply to SAR?
>
> JMT Reinhold
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:46:11 -0500
> From: "texaspoo666 ." <texaspoo666 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] trying to unsubscribe
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:13:05 -0400
> From: Apple Pie <applepiepct03 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Border crossing near Ross lake
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <9F99C5F5-B95A-4389-AC97-E3C1208751D2 at yahoo.com>
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> When I was on the PNT last year there was a lot of border patrol activity
> going on on the US side as well in that area. It had indeed to do with
> suspected drug trafficking.
> I'm glad you made it out of jail. : )
> And congrats on finishing safely!
>
> Apple Pie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:17:23 -0700
> From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Paying for SAR
> To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <52772FB9-8FD4-4ED3-A4B7-097C5D370F1D at aol.com>
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>
> Reinhold,
> You write that "if somebody, in this country, has a medical emergency,
> would that person choose to die rather than call an ambulance?"
>
> I ask you this:
>
> How does anyone equate a person who is having a medical emergency being
> even remotely the same as the person who knowingly hikes into a blizzard
> and expects to be rescued from their arrogance, stupidity and/or ignorance?
>
> A medical emergency is one thing, being ignorant and stupid is another.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Brick wrote:
> > I guess if concerned citizens are afraid to call for SAR for fear of
> > incurring
> > large costs, and people die because of that fear, then it will be OK
> with a
> > sizable minority of the country... they already hold that view for
> > healthcare.
> > Do you think it is time to get rid of this commie, liberal un american
> > free SAR?
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > Reinhold writes:
> > Say Brick,
> > If somebody, in this country, has a medical emergency , would that person
> > choose to die, rather than call an ambulance, for fear of incurring a
> large
> > hospital expense?
> > Of course not....in this country people do not die in the street for
> lack of
> > ability to pay for their medical expenses.
> >
> > For those with medical insurance the insurance carrier pays the bill.
> > For those without medical insurance, but with "deep pockets" their own
> > deep pockets will pay the bill.
> > For those without medical insurance and without deep enough pockets
> > to pay for their medical expenses, the government will pay the bill.
> >
> > As a result, when people have a medical emergency they call an ambulance
> > rather than die for fear of incurring a large hospital expense.
> >
> > Why should this not apply to SAR?
> >
> > JMT Reinhold
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:32:25 -0700
> From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Paying for SAR
> To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <8008DE16-B42F-422B-ADC9-6FAD58B522EB at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Sorry Reinold, I hit the "send" button before I was finished with my
> comments in my last post.
>
> What I also wanted to say is, I agree with you, to a point. Yes, medical
> insurance covers the cost of evacs for EMS for those who have it but, as
> much as many of us would like to not pay for the uninsured and/or the
> idiots who get themselves into trouble, there is no way to not pay these
> cost, one way or the other.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 10:17 PM, Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Reinhold,
> > You write that "if somebody, in this country, has a medical emergency,
> would that person choose to die rather than call an ambulance?"
> >
> > I ask you this:
> >
> > How does anyone equate a person who is having a medical emergency being
> even remotely the same as the person who knowingly hikes into a blizzard
> and expects to be rescued from their arrogance, stupidity and/or ignorance?
> >
> > A medical emergency is one thing, being ignorant and stupid is another.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Oct 17, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Brick wrote:
> >> I guess if concerned citizens are afraid to call for SAR for fear of
> >> incurring
> >> large costs, and people die because of that fear, then it will be OK
> with a
> >> sizable minority of the country... they already hold that view for
> >> healthcare.
> >> Do you think it is time to get rid of this commie, liberal un american
> >> free SAR?
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------
> >> Reinhold writes:
> >> Say Brick,
> >> If somebody, in this country, has a medical emergency , would that
> person
> >> choose to die, rather than call an ambulance, for fear of incurring a
> large
> >> hospital expense?
> >> Of course not....in this country people do not die in the street for
> lack of
> >> ability to pay for their medical expenses.
> >>
> >> For those with medical insurance the insurance carrier pays the bill.
> >> For those without medical insurance, but with "deep pockets" their own
> >> deep pockets will pay the bill.
> >> For those without medical insurance and without deep enough pockets
> >> to pay for their medical expenses, the government will pay the bill.
> >>
> >> As a result, when people have a medical emergency they call an ambulance
> >> rather than die for fear of incurring a large hospital expense.
> >>
> >> Why should this not apply to SAR?
> >>
> >> JMT Reinhold
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:59:30 -0500
> From: Carol <museumgirl at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Movie "Wild" films in Ashland Oregon
> To: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <5C6B821D-C40B-4858-B4BC-B4EDD38C91BA at me.com>
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> Go for it, Fireweed. Most of the Deadheads I know are gray or graying!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 17, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > FYI and amusement: On Sept 22, scenes for the movie version of Cheryl
> > Strayed's book "Wild" will be filmed in Ashland, Oregon. There are
> > already large electronic signs on roads into town warning of traffic
> > delays. They are shutting several streets. According to the Ashland
> > Daily Tidings there will be a scene filmed at a restaurant, on the
> > downtown plaza, and at the post office where "Cheryl" will pick up a
> > re-supply package. Whoa--that's what I call drama.
> >
> > The query is out for extras that look like 90's era puck rockers,
> > hippies, Rastafarians and grunge rockers. And also pre-1995 cars to
> > line the streets. I am too old and my car is too new to qualify, but
> > may wander downtown to observe the circus.
> >
> > --Fireweed
> >
> >
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:04:16 -0700
> From: Kathi <pogo at pctwalker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Movie "Wild" films in Ashland Oregon
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <52615C00.2070105 at pctwalker.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> So is this September 22, 2014?
>
> On 10/18/13 5:59 AM, Carol wrote:
> > Go for it, Fireweed. Most of the Deadheads I know are gray or graying!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 17, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> FYI and amusement: On Sept 22, scenes for the movie version of
> Cheryl
> >> Strayed's book "Wild" will be filmed in Ashland, Oregon. There are
> >> already large electronic signs on roads into town warning of traffic
> >> delays. They are shutting several streets. According to the Ashland
> >> Daily Tidings there will be a scene filmed at a restaurant, on the
> >> downtown plaza, and at the post office where "Cheryl" will pick up a
> >> re-supply package. Whoa--that's what I call drama.
> >>
> >> The query is out for extras that look like 90's era puck rockers,
> >> hippies, Rastafarians and grunge rockers. And also pre-1995 cars to
> >> line the streets. I am too old and my car is too new to qualify, but
> >> may wander downtown to observe the circus.
> >>
> >> --Fireweed
> >>
> >>
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