[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 71, Issue 8 Electrolytes
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As an endurance runner, cyclist and now backpacker, I use endurolytes by Hammer. About $20 for 120 tablets. On the trail I tak e 2 every 2-3 hours depending on how hot the temp and the intensity of the trail.< A great combo for leg cramping! But I do not take them every day. I carry enough to last each section and pack them in my resupply boxes. Smaller towns will likely not carry these. However, most running and cycling shops will. Therefore, you should be able to find these along the PCT.
I passed several capsules to fellow hikers that were cramping up last summer. T hey are now believers.
Enduro
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1. Re: electrolytes (or not) (Jim & Jane Moody)
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3. Re: Electrolytes (Diane Soini)
4. Re: message 8: Complaining about Mountain Biker picture on
PCT (CClark)
5. Re: electrolytes (or not) (Yoshihiro Murakami)
6. Re: Electrolytes (Brick Robbins)
7. Mendo Rider and bear charms (Nick Thelen)
8. Electrolytes (Nick Thelen)
9. Moth Balls & Bear Repellant (Reinhold Metzger)
10. Caustions about no-cook-food (Reinhold Metzger)
11. Re: Electrolytes (Scott Williams)
12. Re: Caustions about no-cook-food (Yoshihiro Murakami)
13. Re: Mendo Rider and bear charms (Kathi)
14. Pee as bear deterrent? (Nathan Dreon)
15. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 71, Issue 7 (Melanie Clarke)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:39:22 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] electrolytes (or not)
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Skyward & List,
I got in on this thread late, but here's a few thoughts I have.
If you're going with a powdered electrolyte like Emergen-C, you can save some money buying Kroger's house brand, Essen-C. It's almost identical in formulation and about 2/3 the cost of Emergen-C.
I don't like the flavor of either one by itself, so I add something like lemonade, Crystal Light, powdered GatorAid, etc. to improve taste.
I try to drink a packet of electrolyte in a liter of water every day I'm on the trail. Perhaps coincidentally or perhaps not, I almost never get leg cramps at night when on the trail. At home I often do, even when I've done a lot a exercise that day. Maybe the _-C is the reason.
Good luck.
Mango
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As usual there are as many different kinds of responses to a burning
question posed on here as there are excellent people out there on this
list. I appreciate everyone taking the time to share their opinions and
suggestions on this topic and while I haven't made up my mind exactly what
to do, I now have more information with which to decide. Many thanks. Shelly
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:09:36 -0800 (PST)
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Every body works differently.? I had a pretty healthy trail diet, but I still found that I appreciated having some electrolyte capsules handy in my hip pocket for when I'm really sweating and guzzling water.? Electrolyte capsules are generally only missing the sugar that's found in electrolyte drinks, so I'd have a squirt bottle of honey handy too.? And you're not restricted to salt sticks.? If you search for salt tablets or electrolyte capsules and look at the ingredients, you'll generally find a few products that contain Sodium, Potassium, Magnesium, Calcium.? I think I bought mine at a large online vitamin company.
-Porsche / Rhiannon
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:38:08 -0800
From: shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Electrolytes
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I am wondering if anyone knows of a good source of electrolytes that isn't
full of sugar or sugar substitutes, and won't break the bank. I've used
Emergen-C in the past but I don't know if there are others out there.
Thanks.
Shelly
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:10:10 -0800
From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Electrolytes
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I was going to recommend these, too. They really work when you are
suffering. Sometimes despite your best efforts to get what you need
from food, you fail, and these capsules are helpful. If you're just
looking for something tasty to drink, I think the crystal light
hydration lemonade is the most palatable. Almost any drink mix that
is lemonade flavor and without sugar, actually, but crystal light is
available in ordinary grocery stores. Without it, I can struggle to
drink a 20oz bottle of water. With it, 20oz goes down easy. Sometimes
on the trail you have to tank up when the water sources are far apart.
On Nov 7, 2013, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Electrolytes
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sorry I didn't include the link to the Saltstick website. Here it is:
>
> http://www.saltstick.com/products/sscaps/cfeatures.htm
>
> It was originally created for bikers by a PhD biochemist biker but
> a lot of ultra runners use it too; you only need one capsule
> for every 3-4 hours of intense hiking in hot weather. I use much less.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:41:28 -0800 (PST)
From: CClark <dr_carolyn at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] message 8: Complaining about Mountain Biker
picture on PCT
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In response to Message: 8
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:13:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Rob Langsdorf <sdscpcts at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Complaining about Mountain Biker picture on PCT Section Hiker webpage
To: "Pease, Sue at Waterboards" <Sue.Pease at waterboards.ca.gov>,
Hi Rob and all:
I emailed Yahoo Customer Care [customercare-en at cc.yahoo-inc.com] from the on-line support center.
They told me to contact the owner of the list to ask them to remove the mtn biker photo. I haven't followed through with trying to find the owner, yet.
Below is my message; below that is the reply they sent:
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Subject: Remove bike photo at neo/groups/PCTSection. This is a hiker-only trail.
Customer (Carolyn Clark) 11/05/2013 08:20 AM
The Pacific Crest Trail group should NOT show a mountain biker. This photo has been surreptitiously entered. We hikers on the PCT take care to prevent erosion and keep a quiet peaceful trail. We are plagues by mtn bikers trying to invade our trail. The mtn biker photo is not appropriate.~
Name or URL of the Groups that you are reporting:http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PCTSection/info >>>>
<<<< Response Via Email (Dan Jackson) 11/06/2013 06:21 AM
Hi Carolyn,
Thanks for contacting Yahoo. We appreciate your report of possible abuse in Yahoo Groups. The owner and/or moderator is responsible for maintaining the content of the group and can remove any material (or a member) that is in violation of the Yahoo Terms of Service (TOS) and/or Community Guidelines. We recommend contacting the owner/moderator regarding your concerns. You can do so by sending an email to:
(groupname)-owner at yahoogroups.com
Please continue to notify us of any questionable content you find in Yahoo Groups, especially if you are still concerned after you have contacted the owner/moderator. Yahoo! is very concerned about preventing the abuse of Groups, and we will continue to evaluate any material that violates the Yahoo Terms of Service.>>>
Carolyn "Souldoctor" Clark
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:44:02 +0900
From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] electrolytes (or not)
To: shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com>
Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Dear Shelly
Very Briefly.
I dose small amount of Vitanin tablet and ascorbic acid powder (very
cheap, works as Vitamin C ). But, large scale Swedish cohort studies
revealed the cataract risk. I am a Asian, very strong for sun burn, and I
feel I need vitamin C, therefore I am dosing it. You are white woman. I
don't know I can recommend it.
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/177/6/548.abstract.html
Concerning leg cramp, many people believe it is caused by the lack of
sodium. I had read several articles of leg cramp. The cause is
uncertain. American
food is generally salty and dense. if you eat healthy food, I think you
need not any electrolyte. I always avoid salt, and drink abundant water.
Piper know my food is very bland.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:52:24 -0800
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Electrolytes
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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My favorite electrolyte source has plenty of carbs and fat in it too
Fritos!!!!
when in town, french fries with lots of salt are even better.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was going to recommend these, too. They really work when you are
> suffering. Sometimes despite your best efforts to get what you need
> from food, you fail, and these capsules are helpful. If you're just
> looking for something tasty to drink, I think the crystal light
> hydration lemonade is the most palatable. Almost any drink mix that
> is lemonade flavor and without sugar, actually, but crystal light is
> available in ordinary grocery stores. Without it, I can struggle to
> drink a 20oz bottle of water. With it, 20oz goes down easy. Sometimes
> on the trail you have to tank up when the water sources are far apart.
>
> On Nov 7, 2013, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Electrolytes
>> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>
>> Sorry I didn't include the link to the Saltstick website. Here it is:
>>
>> http://www.saltstick.com/products/sscaps/cfeatures.htm
>>
>> It was originally created for bikers by a PhD biochemist biker but
>> a lot of ultra runners use it too; you only need one capsule
>> for every 3-4 hours of intense hiking in hot weather. I use much less.
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 11:31:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Thelen <nthelen03 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Mendo Rider and bear charms
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Susan Wrote:
"Although in the high country Mendorider did use bear canisters elsewhere he consistently used what he called bear charms?
which were mothballs in a bag or used individually placed around the items he wanted to protect. ?Since I considered Ed Anderson?
to be THE authority on riding the PCT I followed his advice on my journey and placed exactly 10 mothballs around my tent,?
covered tack and food (horse & human) and the only time I had any problem was when I failed to include a small carrying bag which
?had snacks in it earlier in the day. The chipmunks nibbled at the corners I guess smelling the crumbs. ?As far as bears,?
we camped in a few areas where known bears habituated but never had any problems. Have you ever smelled mothballs...
my guess is the bears and other animals just don't perceive the smell as related to something edible. ??
Susan"
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Just wanted to add a quick counterpoint.
Bears (and other animals) are intrigued by unique/new smells and will come to investigate.
This is not based on my personal experience, but my family homesteaded in Alaska
before I was born - the 'mothball/ammonia/bleach' idea has been around for some time
and from my family's perspective is absolutely not a deterrent but more of an attractant
for bears....and moose for that matter.
To add mothballs are poisonous....unique smell, bear eats mothballs...bear gets sick - not cool.
Best to get the food canistered, away, up in a tree, etc...because I believe no one would?
appreciate a middle of the night bear snuggle :^O
just my .02?
- Nick
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:31:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick Thelen <nthelen03 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Electrolytes
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I used to race ultra endurance events and have found that Elete worked fantastic for me.
Worked better than all the Gatorade/gu/nuun/etc. electrolyte additives to water....
and works better than Sports Legs caps.?
Tasteless, light to carry and only requires a few drops per 16oz water...and no sticky
stinky residue.?
Nothing sugary and not too expensive.
http://elete.com/
PS - mustard packets form MacDonald's, pickle juice. or 8-10 tums will
get rid of cramps in a jiffy...as a FYI
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 04:42:10 -0800
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Moth Balls & Bear Repellant
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[pct-l] Pee as bear deterrent?
Brick,
What are Old Wife Tales to some folks, may be the "Gospel truth to
others.
Ed and I became friends and thought alike on many subjects,including
moth balls.
Ed and I were not the only ones, many old timers who had been hiking
the trails before the current crop was born came to the conclusion
that moth balls can be a deterrent to bears.
This conclusion is not based on "Old Wife Tales", but on years of
testing in a natural hiker environment under the exact conditions
that hikers and bears encounter in the wilderness.
Not knocking laboratory testing, but laboratory tests don't create
the exact conditions a hiker and bear encounter in the wilderness
during the bears attempt to rob the hiker of his food.
Sometimes there is no substitute to creating the exact environment
and condition to arrive at a valid conclusion.
During my 40+ years of hiking in bear country we had our share of
bears coming into our, or adjacent campsites, looking for food.
For the last 20 or so years we have been using moth balls as bear
deterrent after being told about moth balls by another old timer.
At first skeptical, we tested for several years on our hikes, by
placing 2-3 moth balls into little pouches made from old stocking
material,and attaching them our food bag, bear canister, pack, and whatever.
What we noticed was that items with moth balls were undisturbed,
while items without mothballs were disturbed, knocked over or
rummaged through.
This has let us to the conclusion that bears, if given the option,
will avoid items with moth ball odor and concentrate on items
without moth ball odor.
That is not an "Old Wives Tale" but evidence from many years of
testing moth balls in the exact environment and conditions that
hikers and bears encounter in the wilderness.
I do not dispute that bears, with one of the keenest sens of smell,
may be able to smell the food in a bag with moth balls attached.
However, they will also smell the much stronger and more offensive
moth ball odor and will be less likely to go after our food with
the offensive moth ball odor and will, instead, go after other
hiker's nice smelling food without the offensive moth ball odor.
I have been accused, that by using moth balls, all I'm doing is
sicking the bears on other hikers.
I say better them than me.
Besides, everybody is responsible for their own bear precaution.
BTW...in the morning I put the moth balls in a zip lock into my
sleeping bag stuff sack.
That gives the sleeping bag and me a slight moth ball odor which
is much less offensive than the "on the trail to long hiker odor".
So, if you girls get tired of your smelly boyfriends,....come on
over to my tent.
JMT Reinhold
Your good smelling trail companion
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Paint Your Wagon wrote:
>/ Comparing urine to moth balls, and or moth balls to an Opsack's
> contents, isn't a fair comparison seeing how they are quite different.
/-------------
Brick wrote:
Comparing one Old Wives Tail to another Old Wives Tail is a fair
comparison.
OpSacks were shown in a good test to not prevent canines from
smelling their contents.
Bears probably have just as good a sense of smell as a dog.
One google search brought up a Department of Fish and Game page, as
well several other that said Moth Balls actually attract bears. Yet
another Old Wives Tail.
Personal experience is not generally a large enough sample size to
validate a method, even if you like and respect the source of the
personal experience, as many of us did Mendo Rider.
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Tortoise wrote:
The late MendoEd spoke highly of small bags of moth balls placed
around his camp site.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 11:23:01 -0800
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Caustions about no-cook-food
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Yoshihiro Murakami
<completewalker at gmail.com>
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[pct-l] Caustions about no-cook-food
*Yoshi,
This is dynamite....I did not know that.
This is very important information for the UL speed hikers and record
seekers (including me) who frequently go cold in quest of lighter packs
to increase their speed.
This information may change this line of thinking, because if the net
result of the cold menu (no-cooked food) results in lower nutrition
absorbtation the hiker may have to carry more "no-cooked food" to
compensate for the lower nutritional absorbation in "no-cooked food"
and his pack may actually wind up being heavier.
Or, if he does not compensate by carrying more cold food he may have
less energy due to the lower nutrition absorption "in non-cooked food."
Interesting...very interesting.
Say Yoshi,....does the food actually have to be cooked or can it be just
heated up, without actually reaching a boiling point, to prevent a loss
of nutritional absorption?
Because, if just heating it up would suffice we could just have our girl
friends, or wives, sit on the zip-lock food bags with their "HOT" little
behinds and heat up the "no-cooked food" so there is no loss of
nutritional absorption.
I wonder if this will result in more girls on the trail.
That would be good because we have enough homely looking hiker
dudes on the trail,...what we need is more good looking "Hiker Babes"
on the trail
Just wondering,...that's all?
JMT Reinhold
Your curious trail companion.
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Yoshihiro Murakami* completewalker at gmail.com
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/Wed Nov 6 05:58:33 CST 2013/
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Some hiker put food into a zip lock pack, soak with water and eat it . It
may be a rational technique of weight reduction, but the absorption rate of
nutrition will become low. Cautions are needed from a viewpoint of
nutrition
I was just idling my job and read a special issue of appetite of Japanese
edition of Scientific American. I was impressed by the article of Richard
Wrangham. Therefore, I purchased his book entitled "Catching Fire --- How
cooking made us human" ( Japanese translation) .
This book explained the cooking hypothesis about the theory of evolution in
detail. Very briefly, the burden of the digestive organs decreased, and
the our brain able to became large, since human beings cooked the food
using fire. Then, we had enough time for hunting, and exploring our outer
world, based on this hypothesis. The scientific basis of digestion was also
studied to some extent. That is, probably, this hypothesis may be true for
some extent.
The important facts( for hiker ) are as follows:
The digestive rate of carbohydrate was : cooked food 95%, no-cooked
48-71%.
( no-cooked wheat 71%)
( no-cooked potato 51%
( no-cooked bananas 48% )
The digestive rate of protein: cooked egg 91-94%,
no-cooked 51-65%.
When freeze dry food is used abundantly, the digestive rate will be
improved. But, I recommend the use of hot water to re-hydrate the dry food.
--
Sincerely
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 20:44:31 -0800
From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Electrolytes
To: Nick Thelen <nthelen03 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Oh yeah, pickle juice! I love the stuff on trail at times. I got to the
top of Mt. Laguna on a hot day, bought a jar of dill pickles and ate them
all and then drank all the juice and felt just fine. It's full of salt and
vinegar. Love it on trail.
Corn chips are great too. Working in El Salvador on a Habitat build I got
everyone into eating plantain chips for the salt and potassium. We had
several people nearly pass out on their first day of working hard under a
tropical sun. I gave a lecture on desert exertion at dinner to several
groups of Americans and encouraged them all to eat their morning fried
plantain, eat the beans and eggs and just force it down. They had all lost
their hunger due to the heat and activity. By day 2, and many bags of
plantain chips down the hatch, none of them had a recurrence. We had a few
wet T shirt parties when anyone got too hot and the rest of the week went
fine. So, banana chips would be a good thing to add to the junk food mix
on trail.
Shroomer
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Nick Thelen <nthelen03 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I used to race ultra endurance events and have found that Elete worked
> fantastic for me.
>
> Worked better than all the Gatorade/gu/nuun/etc. electrolyte additives to
> water....
> and works better than Sports Legs caps.
>
> Tasteless, light to carry and only requires a few drops per 16oz
> water...and no sticky
> stinky residue.
>
> Nothing sugary and not too expensive.
>
> http://elete.com/
>
>
> PS - mustard packets form MacDonald's, pickle juice. or 8-10 tums will
> get rid of cramps in a jiffy...as a FYI
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 13:49:20 +0900
From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Caustions about no-cook-food
To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Dear Reinhold
It is very simple. Hiker Trash is not homeless, he has some home. But he
cannot stop to search something in the trash box.
BTW, the cooking temperature of meat (pig ) for effective digestion is 70
centigrade. That is enough. I found an article.
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:57:39 -0800
From: Kathi <pctlist at pctwalker.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mendo Rider and bear charms
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I might appreciate a middle of the night bear snuggle if they were soft
like a teddy bear. :) Okay... I digress...
Kathi
On 11/6/13 11:31 AM, Nick Thelen wrote:
> Susan Wrote:
> "Although in the high country Mendorider did use bear canisters elsewhere he consistently used what he called bear charms
> which were mothballs in a bag or used individually placed around the items he wanted to protect. Since I considered Ed Anderson
> to be THE authority on riding the PCT I followed his advice on my journey and placed exactly 10 mothballs around my tent,
> covered tack and food (horse & human) and the only time I had any problem was when I failed to include a small carrying bag which
> had snacks in it earlier in the day. The chipmunks nibbled at the corners I guess smelling the crumbs. As far as bears,
> we camped in a few areas where known bears habituated but never had any problems. Have you ever smelled mothballs...
> my guess is the bears and other animals just don't perceive the smell as related to something edible.
>
> Susan"
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> Just wanted to add a quick counterpoint.
>
> Bears (and other animals) are intrigued by unique/new smells and will come to investigate.
>
> This is not based on my personal experience, but my family homesteaded in Alaska
> before I was born - the 'mothball/ammonia/bleach' idea has been around for some time
> and from my family's perspective is absolutely not a deterrent but more of an attractant
> for bears....and moose for that matter.
>
> To add mothballs are poisonous....unique smell, bear eats mothballs...bear gets sick - not cool.
>
> Best to get the food canistered, away, up in a tree, etc...because I believe no one would
> appreciate a middle of the night bear snuggle :^O
>
> just my .02
> - Nick
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 21:55:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Pee as bear deterrent?
To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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"Human urine as an animal deterrent? Another fallacy!"
Not so, pee actually will repel bears but it only works if you can hit them in their eyes.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 09:52:10 -0800
From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 71, Issue 7
To: b j <xthrow at yahoo.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Be really careful about popping pills!
I belong to a cycling club and one of our finest cyclists attempted the
"Furnace 500" where participants cycle 500 miles in some very high
temperatures. He was very fit, well supported and this event should not
have been a problem for him. He has done Paris Brest Paris (900 miles I
think), and many long distance Brevets. Because he was sweating a lot he
felt he should take a lot of salt, electrolyte tablets. He ingested too
many and the excess salt made his entire body swell up with water. I
forget his other symptoms but he ended up quitting after 100 miles.
Had he just eaten "Fritos" (Brick's electrolyte fave), his body would have
rejected eating the salty chips long before his salt concentrations reached
toxic proportions! Popping pills is just not the answer!!! Eat nutritious
foods!!!!!
Eating good tasting food is very pleasurable! One reason I hike, is so I
can have the glorious experience with food, without gaining a lot of
weight. (I think I'm still talking about food, he he he) People are
forcing themselves to ingest horrible powders and suggesting how lemonade
can mask the terrible taste. Why do people want to do that? I LOVE eating
food! ...just saying!
Toga
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:09 AM, b j <xthrow at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Every body works differently. I had a pretty healthy trail diet, but I
> still found that I appreciated having some electrolyte capsules handy in my
> hip pocket for when I'm really sweating and guzzling water. Electrolyte
> capsules are generally only missing the sugar that's found in electrolyte
> drinks, so I'd have a squirt bottle of honey handy too. And you're not
> restricted to salt sticks. If you search for salt tablets or electrolyte
> capsules and look at the ingredients, you'll generally find a few products
> that contain Sodium, Potassium, Magnesium, Calcium. I think I bought mine
> at a large online vitamin company.
>
>
> -Porsche / Rhiannon
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:38:08 -0800
> From: shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Electrolytes
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I am wondering if anyone knows of a good source of electrolytes that isn't
> full of sugar or sugar substitutes, and won't break the bank. I've used
> Emergen-C in the past but I don't know if there are others out there.
> Thanks.
> Shelly
>
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