[pct-l] C-A-M-P-F-I-R-E-S / And the Mountain Bike problem

[jason povey]

The federal govt cares less about you, they are the ones who put up the signs and regulate the trails when its public not federal or state property.  I pay the same taxes you do for public land.  For hikers or horseback riders to take the soap box is a laugh.  If you truly want to protect lands join hands with mnt bikers, it is the same nonsense of skiers v snowboarders, you will not win in the end.  If you dont want me a part of your list serve because I also promote mnt biking, censor.  Censor in the name of the police and govt officials, that speaks volumes for you.  I want to ride my bike in the same places I hike, if you can show me why I cant, if you can logically explain why someone on a horse should be there not physically propelling themselves yet destroying trails is somehow justifiable...point it out.  For an administrator to cut this discussion out speaks volumes, you are not Gods of a trail, its not yours, its not mine, its a trail.
  If I chose to tour it or you choose to hike or ride an animal its ours.  I am sure once this is seen it will be censored.  Keep taking pictures for the authorities, as a former DA and environmentalist you will not win this with such a elitist attitude.  Seeing the old timers or whoever seems to control this trail speak as they do without any education is disheartening. You are your own worst enemy, the more money we can funnel into a trail the more it will protected.  Get off your high horse and realize I have just as much right, as a human, American, tax payer to ride my tour bike as you do to hike or ride an animal instead of actually working as I do to peddle. In re urban riding on sidewalks, i agree, bikes dont belong on pavement...period. 


________________________________
 From: Benjamin Grunbaum <bengrunbaum at gmail.com>
To: Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net 
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] C-A-M-P-F-I-R-E-S / And the Mountain Bike problem
 

I am afraid to say it, but I may now be in support of public flogging.  If
it is true that people are taking trail signs down, for their own selfish
reasons, and then lying about not knowing what trail they are on then they
need to be severely punished.  Perhaps a flogging would be too harsh, but a
jail cell and a massive fine for vandalism might be appropriate.


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com> wrote:

> "Usual" yes, but I am finding a lot of posts that either have the mountain
> bike scratched out, or like I saw today near the Acorn trail, the red
> stripe removed and the PCT logo ripped off the post. Thus they can pull the
> tired "but the sign said it was a biking trail and not the PCT" stunt.
>
> I have been documenting every single piece of vandalism like this over the
> last 375 miles, sadly this won't be the last of it.
>
> Cg
>
>
> > The usual PCT post was there
> > and the bike symbol with the red slash through it
> > was obvious. There were four bikers. They certainly had to have seen it.
>
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