[pct-l] Question about Section Three

aslive at charter.net aslive at charter.net
Fri Jul 19 10:54:09 CDT 2013


There is parking near the PCT at the monument.  Perhaps better, would be 
to leave the car a few hundred yards back up the road near the Mc 
Donald's or the filling station.  I see cars parked there all the time 
in what looks like a "Park & Ride" area.

Shepherd


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Kit Stolz wrote:

> Hi PCTers,
>
> A question about Section Three...a buddy and I are section-hiking 
> SoCal this year, and are looking at Section Three, to start this 
> weekend. We're going to leave the steep climb from I-10 for the fall, 
> when the temps and the risk of Valley Fever will be much less, and 
> plan to get on the PCT near Onyx Summit, about mile 252. Does this 
> make sense to you? 
>
> Also, we need to find a place to leave a funky old pick-up, so we can 
> get home when we get off the trail. (We have a ride there.) Any 
> suggestions as to where to leave such a vehicle before I-15, at about 
> mile 342? I guess there's a memorial on the freeway to the Sante Fe 
> Pioneers...would that work? 
>
> And...any general advice? From previous trail journals the route looks 
> not too bad, decently wooded, but fairly dry. What else should we 
> know?
>
> Thanks for your help...anyone who sees Reese, please shout it out!
>
> Kit Stolz
> A Change in the Wind
>
>
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>    1. Annish (edjarrett at msn.com)
>    2. Re: Vermilion Valley Resort (Diane Soini)
>    3. Re: Warm weather hiking food (Diane Soini)
>    4. Effect of the Wild book (saintgimp)
>    5. Re: Vermilion Valley Resort (Scott Williams)
>    6. Re: Warm weather hiking food (Marcia Powers)
>    7. Re: Effect of the Wild book (Cat Nelson)
>    8. Re: Warm weather hiking food (Terry)
>    9. Re: Vermilion Valley Resort (Terry)
>   10. Re: Schroomer: Desert Section Water Thoughts During a    Drought
>       Year in Fall (Ken Marlow)
>   11. Re: Vermilion Valley Resort (Scott Williams)
>   12.  Warm weather hiking food (Reinhold Metzger)
>   13. New stove at less than 3.5oz (Jim Marco)
>   14. (no subject) (Sue Kettles)
>   15. Re: (no subject) (JPL)
>   16. Re: (no subject) (Brick Robbins)
>   17. Re: Trail Angels (Cat Nelson)
>   18. Reese Witherspoon on the PCT (Hank Magnuski)
>   19. Re: (no subject) (Diarmaid Harmon)
>   20. Re: Reese Witherspoon on the PCT (Jim & Jane Moody)
>   21. Bike Free PCT (Charles Williams)
>   22. Re: Bike Free PCT (JPL)
>   23. Re: Bike Free PCT (Brick Robbins)
>   24. Re: Reese Witherspoon on the PCT (ed faubert)
>   25. Re: (no subject) (lilacs007 at yahoo.com)
>   26. Re: (no subject) (Clifford McDonald)
>   27. Water in Section R (Mary Kwart)
>   28.  Reese Witherspoon on the PCT (Maxine Weyant)
>   29. Re: Reese Witherspoon on the PCT (Carol)
>   30. Re: Mailing packages from Kennedy Mreadows (Craig Giffen)
>   31. Re: Mailing packages from Kennedy Mreadows (lilacs007 at yahoo.com)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:15:23 -0700
> From: "edjarrett at msn.com" <edjarrett at msn.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Annish
> To: PCT List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP16423FCB154D23A73A81F12AA600 at phx.gbl>
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>
> I met her on the trail this morning, about 10-12 miles north of Etna.  
> Going strong.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:59:43 -0700
> From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vermilion Valley Resort
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <AEB8EE90-A468-47EC-B9A8-23F3847E4995 at gmail.com>
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> It's official. Shroomer sucks now worse than Mags. Well, he would  
> suck way more if he knew how to post his pictures. (Read this if you  
> don't know what the heck I'm talking about http://tinyurl.com/mt7lka3 
> It was a running joke on whiteblaze.)
>
> Diane
>
> On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:52 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vermilion Valley Resort
>>
>> Going to VVR is worth it just to meet and feast at a table prepared 
>> by
>> Jackass and Molasses.  They are two of my favorite hiker folk and  
>> he's a
>> wonderful cook as well.  He's spent several seasons as the cook at
>> Stehekin.  I am going to try to make it by in Sept. and hope the  
>> place is
>> still open.  But I've been in the wilds of B.C. for a bit and will be
>> re-hiking the Winds and Glacier NP in July after falling in love  
>> with them
>> both last year on the CDT.  Before I started that hike, Jackass had  
>> the
>> temerity to call me a "trail whore" when I told him I was going to  
>> attempt
>> something other than the PCT again.  But I guess he's right.  Hell  I 
>> pretty
>> much fall in love with every darn mountain range I get into.  Just  
>> finished
>> the Bowron Lake Circuit and I'm lovin' the Cariboo Mountains of  B.C. 
>> right
>> now.  Bear, moose, otter, beaver and enough bald eagles and osprey  
>> to last
>> a lifetime up there.  Spectacular!
>>
>> Shroomer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:12:06 -0700
> From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warm weather hiking food
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <C3BAD41C-9141-46DB-BA13-ABE2409FD924 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Egads, I feel sorry for you. This is not the time of year to be back  
> there.
>
> I seem not to have the problem of losing my appetite. I suppose what  
> I would bring would be dehydrated vegetables, sweet potatoes and  
> dehydrated cooked meat (chicken or pork) all mixed together and just  
> rehydrate it during the day in my jar. Rehydrate a few hours before  
> meal time. Skip the bars and not bother cooking anything. And some  
> salty snacks to help combat the hyponatremia.
>
> If I knew there would be a cold spring on my route, I would perhaps  
> bring a package of instant pudding and some dried milk and make some  
> pudding at the spring.
>
> As for Southern California in general, especially this year, I would  
> not go backpacking out there until after the first rain of the  
> season. This means probably Thanksgiving weekend will be the next  
> time to go backpacking out there.
>
> On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:52 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Warm weather hiking food
>> To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <FCD83FA4-F3EC-43A0-A9E1-01014DDBD565 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I just returned from a 3 day, roughly 60 mile hike in the Santa  
>> Barbara back country with the temps 90+ the first day and 100+ the  
>> next two days.  The problems I had were what I'm going to call  
>> "managed" dehydration, which I could deal with, as a just retired  34 
>> year fire fighter here in So. Cal. I am very aware of the signs  and 
>> symptoms of acute heat sickness.  The problem I had was  eating.  In 
>> the three day of hiking, I lost 7 pounds and the food I  had for my 
>> mid day meals and calorie boosts were not just awful, I  had no 
>> desire to eat if it didn't have some liquid in it.  I  learned on the 
>> trip that Cliff Bars suck and, I know that will get  a few laughs 
>> from most of you but, I would like some direction that  will allow me 
>> a safer and nicer hike in hot weather
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:18:38 -0700
> From: saintgimp <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Effect of the Wild book
> To: PCT-1 <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY403-EAS216CD9DFC704FCD70FE125BBD610 at phx.gbl>
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>
> After completing my annual section hike and talking with many 
> thruhikers, I have it on good authority that the primary effect of the 
> Wild book is that more middle-aged women know what thruhikers are and 
> are more likely to give them food. So there you have it. :-)
>
> Eric
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:31:07 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vermilion Valley Resort
> To: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<Pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
>     
> <CAGxcj13-YoXmdyAC+cxE6VT0unU-4owiGT9BLVXLeax9QGGXkQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah, retirement sure sucks!  It just sucked me all the 
> way up
> and into the Cariboo Mtns of BC on a kayak for a tour of the Bowron 
> Lakes
> circuit and then down to Manning Park for some Alpine hiking and now, 
> hell
> I'm holed up at a Macmenamins outside of Portland.  Damn it's tough to
> suck!!!  There must be more I can suck at this summer.  Way to go 
> Mags!
> Suck it all the way.  But I need a young person to come and rescue my
> pictures!  I sure do suck at computers.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> It's official. Shroomer sucks now worse than Mags. Well, he would
>> suck way more if he knew how to post his pictures. (Read this if you
>> don't know what the heck I'm talking about http://tinyurl.com/mt7lka3
>> It was a running joke on whiteblaze.)
>>
>> Diane
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:52 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>>> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vermilion Valley Resort
>>>
>>> Going to VVR is worth it just to meet and feast at a table prepared 
>>> by
>>> Jackass and Molasses.  They are two of my favorite hiker folk and
>>> he's a
>>> wonderful cook as well.  He's spent several seasons as the cook at
>>> Stehekin.  I am going to try to make it by in Sept. and hope the
>>> place is
>>> still open.  But I've been in the wilds of B.C. for a bit and will 
>>> be
>>> re-hiking the Winds and Glacier NP in July after falling in love
>>> with them
>>> both last year on the CDT.  Before I started that hike, Jackass had
>>> the
>>> temerity to call me a "trail whore" when I told him I was going to
>>> attempt
>>> something other than the PCT again.  But I guess he's right.  Hell
>>> I pretty
>>> much fall in love with every darn mountain range I get into.  Just
>>> finished
>>> the Bowron Lake Circuit and I'm lovin' the Cariboo Mountains of
>>> B.C. right
>>> now.  Bear, moose, otter, beaver and enough bald eagles and osprey
>>> to last
>>> a lifetime up there.  Spectacular!
>>>
>>> Shroomer
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:56:46 -0700
> From: Marcia Powers <gottawalk at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warm weather hiking food
> To: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <E8387FD9-B3EB-4EAC-8646-9CAD44952F4B at me.com>
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>
> Never feel sorry for a hiker! A too hot hiking day is better than a no 
> hiking day. :-)
>
> On Jul 16, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Egads, I feel sorry for you. This is not the time of year to be back  
>> there.
>>
>> I seem not to have the problem of losing my appetite. I suppose what  
>> I would bring would be dehydrated vegetables, sweet potatoes and  
>> dehydrated cooked meat (chicken or pork) all mixed together and just  
>> rehydrate it during the day in my jar. Rehydrate a few hours before  
>> meal time. Skip the bars and not bother cooking anything. And some  
>> salty snacks to help combat the hyponatremia.
>>
>> If I knew there would be a cold spring on my route, I would perhaps  
>> bring a package of instant pudding and some dried milk and make some  
>> pudding at the spring.
>>
>> As for Southern California in general, especially this year, I would  
>> not go backpacking out there until after the first rain of the  
>> season. This means probably Thanksgiving weekend will be the next  
>> time to go backpacking out there.
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:52 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>>> From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
>>> Subject: [pct-l] Warm weather hiking food
>>> To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Message-ID: <FCD83FA4-F3EC-43A0-A9E1-01014DDBD565 at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> I just returned from a 3 day, roughly 60 mile hike in the Santa  
>>> Barbara back country with the temps 90+ the first day and 100+ the  
>>> next two days.  The problems I had were what I'm going to call  
>>> "managed" dehydration, which I could deal with, as a just retired  
>>> 34 year fire fighter here in So. Cal. I am very aware of the signs  
>>> and symptoms of acute heat sickness.  The problem I had was  
>>> eating.  In the three day of hiking, I lost 7 pounds and the food I  
>>> had for my mid day meals and calorie boosts were not just awful, I  
>>> had no desire to eat if it didn't have some liquid in it.  I  
>>> learned on the trip that Cliff Bars suck and, I know that will get  
>>> a few laughs from most of you but, I would like some direction that  
>>> will allow me a safer and nicer hike in hot weather
>>
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>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:29:37 -0700
> From: Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Effect of the Wild book
> To: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Cc: PCT-1 <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> So how much weight did you gain? ;-)
>
> Cat
> sagegirl51 at gmail.com
> W
> On Jul 16, 2013 5:18 PM, "saintgimp" <saintgimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After completing my annual section hike and talking with many 
>> thruhikers,
>> I have it on good authority that the primary effect of the Wild book 
>> is
>> that more middle-aged women know what thruhikers are and are more 
>> likely to
>> give them food. So there you have it. :-)
>>
>> Eric
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:35:01 -0700
> From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warm weather hiking food
> To: Marcia Powers <gottawalk at me.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>,    Diane Soini
>     <dianesoini at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <75F29863-99AC-445C-8026-70D6C65558EF at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>
> Personally, I have to disagree with you Marcia, I like it that Diane 
> feels sorry for me!
> Terry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Marcia Powers <gottawalk at me.com> wrote:
>
>> Never feel sorry for a hiker! A too hot hiking day is better than a 
>> no hiking day. :-)
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Egads, I feel sorry for you. This is not the time of year to be 
>>> back  there.
>>>
>>> I seem not to have the problem of losing my appetite. I suppose 
>>> what  I would bring would be dehydrated vegetables, sweet potatoes 
>>> and  dehydrated cooked meat (chicken or pork) all mixed together and 
>>> just  rehydrate it during the day in my jar. Rehydrate a few hours 
>>> before  meal time. Skip the bars and not bother cooking anything. 
>>> And some  salty snacks to help combat the hyponatremia.
>>>
>>> If I knew there would be a cold spring on my route, I would perhaps  
>>> bring a package of instant pudding and some dried milk and make 
>>> some  pudding at the spring.
>>>
>>> As for Southern California in general, especially this year, I 
>>> would  not go backpacking out there until after the first rain of 
>>> the  season. This means probably Thanksgiving weekend will be the 
>>> next  time to go backpacking out there.
>>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:52 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: [pct-l] Warm weather hiking food
>>>> To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <FCD83FA4-F3EC-43A0-A9E1-01014DDBD565 at aol.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> I just returned from a 3 day, roughly 60 mile hike in the Santa  
>>>> Barbara back country with the temps 90+ the first day and 100+ the  
>>>> next two days.  The problems I had were what I'm going to call  
>>>> "managed" dehydration, which I could deal with, as a just retired  
>>>> 34 year fire fighter here in So. Cal. I am very aware of the signs  
>>>> and symptoms of acute heat sickness.  The problem I had was  
>>>> eating.  In the three day of hiking, I lost 7 pounds and the food 
>>>> I  had for my mid day meals and calorie boosts were not just awful, 
>>>> I  had no desire to eat if it didn't have some liquid in it.  I  
>>>> learned on the trip that Cliff Bars suck and, I know that will get  
>>>> a few laughs from most of you but, I would like some direction 
>>>> that  will allow me a safer and nicer hike in hot weather
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:43:05 -0700
> From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vermilion Valley Resort
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<Pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>,    Diane Soini
>     <dianesoini at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <67954E34-5812-4CDE-A3F6-7B87B07DEF6A at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>
> Dang Shroomer,
> I just retired a month ago and I thought it was gonna be fun.....
>
> Golly Shroomer,  you are one true party pooper!
>
> Terry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 16, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, retirement sure sucks!  It just sucked me all the 
>> way up
>> and into the Cariboo Mtns of BC on a kayak for a tour of the Bowron 
>> Lakes
>> circuit and then down to Manning Park for some Alpine hiking and now, 
>> hell
>> I'm holed up at a Macmenamins outside of Portland.  Damn it's tough 
>> to
>> suck!!!  There must be more I can suck at this summer.  Way to go 
>> Mags!
>> Suck it all the way.  But I need a young person to come and rescue my
>> pictures!  I sure do suck at computers.
>>
>> Shroomer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's official. Shroomer sucks now worse than Mags. Well, he would
>>> suck way more if he knew how to post his pictures. (Read this if you
>>> don't know what the heck I'm talking about 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/mt7lka3
>>> It was a running joke on whiteblaze.)
>>>
>>> Diane
>>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:52 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vermilion Valley Resort
>>>>
>>>> Going to VVR is worth it just to meet and feast at a table prepared 
>>>> by
>>>> Jackass and Molasses.  They are two of my favorite hiker folk and
>>>> he's a
>>>> wonderful cook as well.  He's spent several seasons as the cook at
>>>> Stehekin.  I am going to try to make it by in Sept. and hope the
>>>> place is
>>>> still open.  But I've been in the wilds of B.C. for a bit and will 
>>>> be
>>>> re-hiking the Winds and Glacier NP in July after falling in love
>>>> with them
>>>> both last year on the CDT.  Before I started that hike, Jackass had
>>>> the
>>>> temerity to call me a "trail whore" when I told him I was going to
>>>> attempt
>>>> something other than the PCT again.  But I guess he's right.  Hell
>>>> I pretty
>>>> much fall in love with every darn mountain range I get into.  Just
>>>> finished
>>>> the Bowron Lake Circuit and I'm lovin' the Cariboo Mountains of
>>>> B.C. right
>>>> now.  Bear, moose, otter, beaver and enough bald eagles and osprey
>>>> to last
>>>> a lifetime up there.  Spectacular!
>>>>
>>>> Shroomer
>>>
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:35:08 -0700
> From: Ken Marlow <pcthiker at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Schroomer: Desert Section Water Thoughts During a
>     Drought Year in Fall
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <3239FD2D-FCB9-4734-B17E-ED50DC4103AE at cox.net>
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> Schroomer and Rheinhold, thanks for the info.
> And you were correct, I was hoping to hook-up with Scott Williamson, 
> but your info is invaluable.
> And w knocking out the CDT as well, you've got my envy.
> Any word if Scott Williamson is out on the trail again this season? 
> I'm going to attempt off-list.
>
>
> Ken & Deb Marlow
> Cowman, Class of '82.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:59:13 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vermilion Valley Resort
> To: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
> Cc: "<Pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>,    Diane Soini
>     <dianesoini at gmail.com>
> Message-ID:
>     
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>
> Yup Terry,
>
> It's a dirty job, but somebodies got to do it.  Retirement just sucks!
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Dang Shroomer,
>> I just retired a month ago and I thought it was gonna be fun.....
>>
>> Golly Shroomer,  you are one true party pooper!
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, retirement sure sucks!  It just sucked me all the 
>>> way
>> up
>>> and into the Cariboo Mtns of BC on a kayak for a tour of the Bowron 
>>> Lakes
>>> circuit and then down to Manning Park for some Alpine hiking and 
>>> now,
>> hell
>>> I'm holed up at a Macmenamins outside of Portland.  Damn it's tough 
>>> to
>>> suck!!!  There must be more I can suck at this summer.  Way to go 
>>> Mags!
>>> Suck it all the way.  But I need a young person to come and rescue 
>>> my
>>> pictures!  I sure do suck at computers.
>>>
>>> Shroomer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's official. Shroomer sucks now worse than Mags. Well, he would
>>>> suck way more if he knew how to post his pictures. (Read this if 
>>>> you
>>>> don't know what the heck I'm talking about 
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/mt7lka3
>>>> It was a running joke on whiteblaze.)
>>>>
>>>> Diane
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:52 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Vermilion Valley Resort
>>>>>
>>>>> Going to VVR is worth it just to meet and feast at a table 
>>>>> prepared by
>>>>> Jackass and Molasses.  They are two of my favorite hiker folk and
>>>>> he's a
>>>>> wonderful cook as well.  He's spent several seasons as the cook at
>>>>> Stehekin.  I am going to try to make it by in Sept. and hope the
>>>>> place is
>>>>> still open.  But I've been in the wilds of B.C. for a bit and will 
>>>>> be
>>>>> re-hiking the Winds and Glacier NP in July after falling in love
>>>>> with them
>>>>> both last year on the CDT.  Before I started that hike, Jackass 
>>>>> had
>>>>> the
>>>>> temerity to call me a "trail whore" when I told him I was going to
>>>>> attempt
>>>>> something other than the PCT again.  But I guess he's right.  Hell
>>>>> I pretty
>>>>> much fall in love with every darn mountain range I get into.  Just
>>>>> finished
>>>>> the Bowron Lake Circuit and I'm lovin' the Cariboo Mountains of
>>>>> B.C. right
>>>>> now.  Bear, moose, otter, beaver and enough bald eagles and osprey
>>>>> to last
>>>>> a lifetime up there.  Spectacular!
>>>>>
>>>>> Shroomer
>>>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:14:50 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l]  Warm weather hiking food
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> [pct-l] Warm weather hiking food
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Marcia,
> You failed to mention that Scott goes "COLD" (without a stove).
> He substitutes heat from fire with heat that burns within him
> and warms his black beans dinner by placing the soaking beans
> against his hot body while hiking for another hour or so before
> dinner.
> It is not a steaming hot dinner but somewhat warm.
> This will not work for everybody...but you have to remember,
> Scott is on a "MISSION", gram counting is taken to the extreme,
> and he is willing to sacrifice comfort and push his body to the
> limit to accomplish his goal.
> Like I said,..."this will not work for everybody".
> It may work for hikers willing to sacrifice comfort for  "UL".
>
> On some of my MT fast packs I tried to take it one step further.
> Scott likes black beans,...I prefer re-fried beans.
> However, Scott still needs to stop and take time to eat the black
> beans and wash his eating utensils.
> I decided if I used a wide mouth "GATOR AID" bottle as my meal bowl
> and instead of just adding enough water for the beans to obtain a
> pasty consistency, I add enough water so the beans obtain a soup
> like consistency, I could not only prepare and warm my meals while
> hiking, but also eat (drink), wash and drink the wash water while
> hiking without wasting any time, water or calories...I even ate my
> instant oatmeal like that.
> This may not work for everybody, but hey,...it worked for me and
> calories are calories, whether liquid or pasty.
>
> Terry,
> You are correct,...Cliff Bars suck on a hot day when you are low
> on water and your mouth is dry.
> A "SNICKERS" bar probably would be more tasty and require less
> water.
>
> Lesson #1 to be learned from this is....Carry sufficient water.
> Lesson #2 take food that you enjoy eating even when thirsty.
> Lesson #3 calories in the pack are useless if you can't eat them.
>
> Things like crackers, cheese, trail mix, and yes, Cliff Bars can
> really suck on a hot day when you are low on water.
> A "SNICKERS" bar would slide down much easier.
> Instead of crackers and mixed nuts, which require a gallon of
> water to get down, try Macadamia Nuts.
> At 200 calories per ounce Macadamia Nuts are the most calorie
> dense food I am aware of...you have to drink straight oil to beat
> that.
> They are also delicious and because of their high oil contents
> don't require a gallon of water to wash down.
> The other good thing about Macadamia Nuts is that they are very
> high in Monounsaturated fat which is the most benign oil and
> does not affect your cholesterol.
>
> Another suggestion:...when I hike in the Grand Canyon, which can
> be awful hot and dry and water is critical, I usually carry one
> or two "GREENE PEPPERS".
> I know, hardly any calories, but guess what?...lot's of moisture.
> Nothing seems to refresh a dry on the trail to long mouth like a
> bite of "GREENE PEPPER"...not even warm trail water.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> Your Macadamia Nuts munching trail companion
>   --------------------------------------------
>
> Marcia wrote:...did you try Scott Williamson's black beans soaked
> in water with fritoes?....
> ---------------------------------
> Terry wrote;
> I just returned from a 3 day, roughly 60 mile hike in the Santa
> Barbara back country with the temps 90+ the first day and 100+
> the next two days.  The problems I had were what I'm going to
> call "managed" dehydration, which I could deal with, as a just
> retired 34 year fire fighter here in So. Cal. I am very aware
> of the signs and symptoms of acute heat sickness.  The problem I
> had was eating.  In the three day of hiking, I lost 7 pounds and
> the food I had for my mid day meals and calorie boosts were not
> just awful, I had no desire to eat if it didn't have some liquid
> in it. I learned on the trip that Cliff Bars suck and, I know that
> will get a few laughs from most of you but, I would like some
> direction that will allow me a safer and nicer hike in hot weather
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:49:48 +0000
> From: Jim Marco <jdm27 at cornell.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] New stove at less than 3.5oz
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
>     
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>
> Hi All,
>     I know, I am pegged as a die-hard SVEA user. Roger Caffin at BPL 
> is now producing some sub 3.5ounce stoves. These are external canister 
> stoves suitable for placement under a cone.
>     If you want more info, contact Roger at backpackinglight.com
>     A very knowledgeable person...
>     My thoughts only . . .
>         jdm
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:23:04 -0700
> From: "Sue Kettles" <sue.kettles at comcast.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <002a01ce833c$3572b770$a0582650$@kettles at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
> I signed up for the list last week, but nothing has come in yet?  
> Isn't
> anyone talking anymore?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:26:20 -0400
> From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: "Sue Kettles" <sue.kettles at comcast.net>,    
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <98BCECEA534E4FADA21E59065CEF703D at jpl3PC>
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>     reply-type=original
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> Lots of emails.... you sure you didn't sign up for digest mode?
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sue Kettles Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 
> 2013 6:23 PM To: pct-l at backcountry.net Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
>
>
> I signed up for the list last week, but nothing has come in yet?  
> Isn't
> anyone talking anymore?
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:58:20 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: Sue Kettles <sue.kettles at comcast.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>     
> <CALV1Nz=m0CY2t_p0P4HMgCnLBjosWpw1bSP55ah-iA567fdo6g at mail.gmail.com>
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> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Sue Kettles <sue.kettles at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
>> I signed up for the list last week, but nothing has come in yet?  
>> Isn't
>> anyone talking anymore?
>
> Maybe Comcast is blocking PCT-L posts again?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:12:22 -0700
> From: Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Angels
> To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Sue Kettles <sue.kettles at comcast.net>
> Message-ID:
>     
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> I would like to know if there is a comprehensive list of Trail Angels 
> in
> Washington. Would all Washington Trail Angels respond please. I would 
> like
> to be able to refer requests and be available to help other Trail 
> Angels.
>
> Last week I collected a list from the Trout Lake Forest Ranger 
> Station, I
> hope to collect more.
>
> Cat Nelson McPeek
> on facebook, pct-l and at
> sagegirl51 at gmail.com
> 253-861-3425
> Puyallup, Wa.
> On Jul 17, 2013 4:58 PM, "Brick Robbins" <brick at brickrobbins.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Sue Kettles 
>> <sue.kettles at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> I signed up for the list last week, but nothing has come in yet?  
>>> Isn't
>>> anyone talking anymore?
>>
>> Maybe Comcast is blocking PCT-L posts again?
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>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Hank Magnuski <hankm at mtinet.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Reese Witherspoon on the PCT
> To: Pacific Crest Trail <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1307171722310.30219 at sv-04.mtinet.com>
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>
>> From Hollywood.com:
>
> Reese Witherspoon is about to get Wild. The actress is set to produce 
> and star in the film adaptation of Cheryl Strayed?s best-selling 
> memoir Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, Indiewire 
> reports. The novel describes Strayed?s journey hiking the 1100-mile 
> Pacific Crest Trail after struggling with drug use, divorce, and the 
> death of her mother.
>
> Strayed sent a copy of her tale of self-reflection to Witherspoon 
> herself, attaching a note that said "I can?t imagine who else would do 
> this." Witherspoon took interest, as did Nick Hornby (High Fidelity, 
> About a Boy), who will adapt the novel. There is no director yet, but 
> Fox Searchlight Pictures has the worldwide rights to distribute the 
> film.
>
> "We are so excited to be working with Fox Searchlight to bring Wild to 
> the screen," Witherspoon said in a statement. "It is an extraordinary 
> company that continually strives to bring original, inspirational 
> films to the marketplace. We are thrilled to collaborate with them on 
> Wild."
>
> The actress better get ready to lace up her hiking boots; filming is 
> supposed to start later this year.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:36:07 -0700
> From: Diarmaid Harmon <irishharmon at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Sue Kettles <sue.kettles at comcast.net>
> Message-ID: <275F6973-C9A5-48F9-BDC6-887FB65C3603 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I was down for 3 weeks but I am back up now. On a side note I tried to 
> email Brick from my comcast and yahoo email accounts and they both 
> bounced back as undeliverable.
>
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Sue Kettles 
>> <sue.kettles at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> I signed up for the list last week, but nothing has come in yet?  
>>> Isn't
>>> anyone talking anymore?
>>
>> Maybe Comcast is blocking PCT-L posts again?
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:50:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Reese Witherspoon on the PCT
> To: Hank Magnuski <hankm at mtinet.com>
> Cc: Pacific Crest Trail <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
>
>
>>> The actress better get ready to lace up her hiking boots; filming is 
>>> supposed to
> start later this year. _________
>
>
> Tell her wear trail runners for rehearsals.
> Mango
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Bike Free PCT
> To: PCT list <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Hello,
> I had a? thought last week as I was doing a 10 day log-out in the 
> Tahoe and Plumas National Forests.? You see, I ran into bicycles twice 
> that were knowingly using the PCT.? One was a single user, the other 
> was a group of three.? I had a radio and threatened to call them in, 
> but when I saw the group it was July 4 and I figured the "twig pigs" 
> would have other things to do.? They just laughed it off and said "do 
> what you want, we're riding through".
> ?
> What if a non-profit was started that collected donations (presumably 
> from hikers) that were spent on game cameras.? They could be 
> positioned on trees out of the reach of bikers and moved from time to 
> time by volunteers.? They could also be locked to the trees with a 
> cable or?? The cameras could take pictures of bikers using the trail 
> and get a "head shot" of the perps.? ?
> I wonder if the Law Enforcement Officers would take a case to a judge 
> with evidence collected by civilians?? The bikers would have to be 
> identified of course, but we could post the cameras with a view of the 
> parking lots they use and get license plate numbers if we're lucky.? 
> Or we could post their headshots on a website and see if anybody can 
> identify them.? ?
> Any thoughts on this?? Anybody have any answers to the legal 
> questions?
> ?
> QuincyRider
> ?
> P.S.? From Jackson Meadows to Johnsville Gibsonville road we logged 
> out 257 trees.? Sheesh!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:14:28 -0400
> From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bike Free PCT
> To: "Charles Williams" <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>,    "PCT list"
>     <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <244F3128CCEA46E7933E4A9AB371902F at jpl3PC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>     reply-type=original
>
> Its important to report this sort of transgression.  Law enforcement 
> may not be able to get there right away, but they'll keep a record of 
> it and other such activities.  No record; they think there's no 
> problem.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Charles Williams
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:08 PM
> To: PCT list
> Subject: [pct-l] Bike Free PCT
>
> Hello,
> I had a  thought last week as I was doing a 10 day log-out in the 
> Tahoe and Plumas National Forests.  You see, I ran into bicycles twice 
> that were knowingly using the PCT.  One was a single user, the other 
> was a group of three.  I had a radio and threatened to call them in, 
> but when I saw the group it was July 4 and I figured the "twig pigs" 
> would have other things to do.  They just laughed it off and said "do 
> what you want, we're riding through".
>
> What if a non-profit was started that collected donations (presumably 
> from hikers) that were spent on game cameras.  They could be 
> positioned on trees out of the reach of bikers and moved from time to 
> time by volunteers.  They could also be locked to the trees with a 
> cable or?  The cameras could take pictures of bikers using the trail 
> and get a "head shot" of the perps.
>
> I wonder if the Law Enforcement Officers would take a case to a judge 
> with evidence collected by civilians?  The bikers would have to be 
> identified of course, but we could post the cameras with a view of the 
> parking lots they use and get license plate numbers if we're lucky.  
> Or we could post their headshots on a website and see if anybody can 
> identify them.
>
> Any thoughts on this?  Anybody have any answers to the legal 
> questions?
>
> QuincyRider
>
> P.S.  From Jackson Meadows to Johnsville Gibsonville road we logged 
> out 257 trees.  Sheesh!
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>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:46:53 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bike Free PCT
> To: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT list <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
>     
> <CALV1Nzn6RkeavUXODbG=Nq1K+ZmKvsUTA1nQDUPYFeS7Tv_SUg at mail.gmail.com>
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> Report this via the directions at
> http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/pct/home/?cid=stelprdb5361615
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Charles Williams
> <charlesnolie at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I had a  thought last week as I was doing a 10 day log-out in the 
>> Tahoe and Plumas National Forests.  You see, I ran into bicycles 
>> twice that were knowingly using the PCT.  One was a single user, the 
>> other was a group of three.  I had a radio and threatened to call 
>> them in, but when I saw the group it was July 4 and I figured the 
>> "twig pigs" would have other things to do.  They just laughed it off 
>> and said "do what you want, we're riding through".
>>
>> What if a non-profit was started that collected donations (presumably 
>> from hikers) that were spent on game cameras.  They could be 
>> positioned on trees out of the reach of bikers and moved from time to 
>> time by volunteers.  They could also be locked to the trees with a 
>> cable or?  The cameras could take pictures of bikers using the trail 
>> and get a "head shot" of the perps.
>>
>> I wonder if the Law Enforcement Officers would take a case to a judge 
>> with evidence collected by civilians?  The bikers would have to be 
>> identified of course, but we could post the cameras with a view of 
>> the parking lots they use and get license plate numbers if we're 
>> lucky.  Or we could post their headshots on a website and see if 
>> anybody can identify them.
>>
>> Any thoughts on this?  Anybody have any answers to the legal 
>> questions?
>>
>> QuincyRider
>>
>> P.S.  From Jackson Meadows to Johnsville Gibsonville road we logged 
>> out 257 trees.  Sheesh!
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:56:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ed faubert <edfaubert at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Reese Witherspoon on the PCT
> To: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>, Hank Magnuski
>     <hankm at mtinet.com>
> Cc: Pacific Crest Trail <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Say what you want too, but the movie is coming, my ? is who's going to 
> play me in the movie????
> All alone this long trip I keep hoping for Brad Pitt, remember he just 
> turned 50 and in the book I too had just turned 50....
> ?
> Ed
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> To: Hank Magnuski <hankm at mtinet.com> Cc: Pacific Crest Trail 
> <pct-l at backcountry.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Reese Witherspoon on the PCT
>  
>
>
>
>>> The actress better get ready to lace up her hiking boots; filming is 
>>> supposed to
> start later this year. _________
>
>
> Tell her wear trail runners for rehearsals.
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> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 02:05:43 +0000
> From: lilacs007 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: "Sue Kettles" <sue.kettles at comcast.net>,    "Pacific crest trail 
> PCT
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> your email got lost in my inbox it attached itself to fire email.
>
> May be a bit quiet cause people are out hiking :)
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Sue Kettles" <sue.kettles at comcast.net>
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> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:23:04 To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
>
> I signed up for the list last week, but nothing has come in yet?  
> Isn't
> anyone talking anymore?
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> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 22:15:07 -0400
> From: "Clifford McDonald" <clifmcdon at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: "'Brick Robbins'" <brick at brickrobbins.com>,    "'Sue Kettles'"
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> Comcast is working well for me now after blocking all pct emails for 
> about
> the past few weeks. Try looking in your junk/spam folder. Did you 
> receive a
> confirmation email and did you reply to it?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: Sue Kettles
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Sue Kettles <sue.kettles at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> I signed up for the list last week, but nothing has come in yet?  
>> Isn't anyone talking anymore?
>
> Maybe Comcast is blocking PCT-L posts again?
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> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:53:28 -0700
> From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Water in Section R
> To: susan at newstories.org, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi:
>
> I just got off a portion of Section R--we hiked from Donomore Meadows
> to CAllahan's. There is water at every spot listed on Halfmile's maps
> in that area. There is more water available off trail--below Grouse
> Gap and in numerous shallow drainages the PCT crosses which aren't
> listed as water sources. There is also a cooler at Long John Saddle
> with some water and two coolers south of Grouse Gap that have some pop
> and water. Wagner Gap Campground also had water coming from the
> spring. The spigot at Mt. Ashland Inn is on, even thought the inn is
> up for sale.
>
> --Fireweed
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 23:39:30 -0700
> From: Maxine Weyant <weyantm at msn.com>
> Subject: [pct-l]  Reese Witherspoon on the PCT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> what-EVER.
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:43:21 -0500
> From: Carol <museumgirl at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Reese Witherspoon on the PCT
> To: ed faubert <edfaubert at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Pacific Crest Trail <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <CCD433F2-2659-4875-8CF0-21786EF56FCC at me.com>
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> Love it!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 8:56 PM, ed faubert <edfaubert at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Say what you want too, but the movie is coming, my ? is who's going 
>> to play me in the movie????
>> All alone this long trip I keep hoping for Brad Pitt, remember he 
>> just turned 50 and in the book I too had just turned 50....
>>   Ed
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
>> To: Hank Magnuski <hankm at mtinet.com> Cc: Pacific Crest Trail 
>> <pct-l at backcountry.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Reese Witherspoon on the PCT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> The actress better get ready to lace up her hiking boots; filming 
>>>> is supposed to
>> start later this year. _________
>>
>>
>> Tell her wear trail runners for rehearsals.
>> Mango _______________________________________________
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> Message: 30
> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 07:52:25 -0700
> From: Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mailing packages from Kennedy Mreadows
> To: "welchenergy at gmail.com" <welchenergy at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> When I was there last month you only had two options, a medium or 
> large flat rate priority box.  They charged the normal postal rate and 
> mailed it for you.
>
> Maybe I got someone new or they changed their policies.  You might 
> want to doublecheck if you have something non-standard to mail.
>
> Craig who is walking above I-5 and excited for Dunsmuir today.
>
>
>
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> Message: 31
> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 16:37:20 +0000
> From: lilacs007 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mailing packages from Kennedy Mreadows
> To: "Craig Giffen" <cg at lunky.com>,    "welchenergy at gmail.com"
>     <welchenergy at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pacific crest trail PCT Listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Re flat rate boxes
>
> Keep in mind the post office is only "allowed to" keep priority flat 
> rate boxes. No padded envelopes or regional boxes.
>
> I found this out the hard way when I had 50 orders to go out.
>
> Regional are up to 15 lbs and flat up to 70 so depending what you are 
> mailing one may be less expensive.
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com>
> Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 07:52:25 To: 
> welchenergy at gmail.com<welchenergy at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net<pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mailing packages from Kennedy Mreadows
>
> When I was there last month you only had two options, a medium or 
> large flat rate priority box.  They charged the normal postal rate and 
> mailed it for you.
>
> Maybe I got someone new or they changed their policies.  You might 
> want to doublecheck if you have something non-standard to mail.
>
> Craig who is walking above I-5 and excited for Dunsmuir today.
>
>
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