[pct-l] Route Selection
Kendall Penn
kendallpenn at hotmail.com
Sat Feb 9 12:35:38 CST 2013
My daughter and I are planning to thru-hike the PCT this summer. Based on her school and my work commitments, we will not be able to start before the first of June. Based on school and work considerations, we'll both start at sub-optimal fitness levels. Instead of a more traditional southbound route, I am pondering starting Lassen Volcanic Park and hiking north then flip-flopping back to Lassen to complete the hike southbound. My thought is that Oregon would give us both time to toughen up prior to reaching the more rugged parts of the trail and still give us the possibility of clearing the Sierras before the route becomes snow bound. I'd like to get any insights you might have on my logic.
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> 1. Re: Yosemite (Scott Williams)
> 2. Re: Fear of the dark (Scott Williams)
> 3. Re: Yosemite (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 4. Re: Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban
> on mountain bikes on PCT! (Lindsey Sommer)
> 5. Re: Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban
> on mountain bikes on PCT! (Barry Teschlog)
> 6. Swami's pics (Mary Kwart)
> 7. Re: Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban
> on mountain bikes on PCT! (Chris Anderson)
> 8. Re: Fwd: Re: Food in tents (Mary Kwart)
> 9. Re: Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban
> on mountain bikes on PCT! (Jim & Jane Moody)
> 10. Re: Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban
> on mountain bikes on PCT! (Ernie Castillo)
> 11. Fuel cell USB charger (andrew walls)
> 12. Re: Food in tents (Meridith Rosendahl)
> 13. Document and report illegal MB's on the PCT. (Edward Anderson)
> 14. Re: Document and report illegal MB's on the PCT. (leslie dow)
> 15. Re: Document and report illegal MB's on the PCT. (Scott Iceberg)
> 16. Re: Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban
> on mountain bikes on PCT! (Scott Iceberg)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:35:31 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Yosemite
> To: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Great shots Yoshihiro. The rocks with the great camping spots are on the
> far side and a bit to the right. They are huge monoliths and look much
> smaller at the distance of this photo. In the panoramic shot that follows,
> Cecil and Iceberg Lakes are up and directly at the feet of the Minarets
> which are dead center in the shot.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Ediza Lake 2011/08/02
> >
> >
> > https://picasaweb.google.com/104620544810418955412/TuolumneToVVRTheTrainingSections#5648800379971072578
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely
> > --------------- --------------------------------------
> > Hiro ( Yoshihiro Murakami ???? )
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:42:54 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fear of the dark
> To: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
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> I can't count how many folks I've talked to since we all hiked the PCT who
> just say, "Damn, I'm ruined! I just can't stop thinking about the next
> long trail!" It really will ruin you, but in such a wonderful way.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree most people have know idea what the biggest danger of a thru hike
> > is. It is not bears, the dark, the snow, the stream crossings, the
> > hitching, etc.
> >
> > The biggest danger is that it will ruin you for the rest of your life ---
> > as you will become addicted to it.
> > And for this addition there is only one cure - it involves a 5 to 6 Million
> > step program. I seem to require this program again every few years.
> >
> > Day-Late
> >
> >
> >
> > > Yes there is a full proof method of bear protection. Stay home! My
> > advice
> > > to all. Newcomers all first time Thru hikers. Don't do it. -ninja
> > tortoise
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:47:24 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Yosemite
> To: Dan Kayser <1simplesole at gmail.com>
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> I have just made the panorama:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104620544810418955412/TuolumneToVVRTheTrainingSections#5842759174651539506
>
> I could not hike last summer, because of my wife's tight schedule. It
> is really a best place.
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:43:06 -0800
> From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or
> restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
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> Chris, I was just thinking the same thing... I feel like our
> representatives have some bigger issues to worry about.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Chris Anderson <srhspaded at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I think our congressmen and senators have more important things to
> > do...like nothing...but i guess it wouldn't help to let their staff know!
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> > Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even
> > though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who
> > neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that
> > knows neither victory nor defeat!
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> > To: PCTL <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 5:34 PM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban
> > on mountain bikes on PCT!
> >
> > This is great news.
> >
> > Remember however that this is but an opening move in what will be a
> > protracted war by the MTB clown crowd to destroy the PCT with their
> > mechanical transports (aka bikes).
> >
> > Do not become complacent. If anything, NOW is the time to redouble our
> > efforts to save and improve the PCT.
> >
> > Read their "sharing the PCT" page over there on FB. It's pathetic. In
> > their sick, twisted minds, they have to ride (aka destroy) the PCT to save
> > it, since it's underused and under maintained (their words, not the facts).
> > It's paraphrased as "well, if you let us ride it, a few of us might help
> > take care of it and since it's so lightly used, it'll be over grown if you
> > don't let us ride it".
> >
> > Hikers, stay focused. Stay vigilant. Write your member of Congress.
> > Write your Senators. Write the USFS in DC. Write them all to keep the
> > PCT a wild, scenic trail where hikers and equestrians can walk in peace and
> > quiet, free from squealing, fast moving, dangerous to hikers and stock
> > mechanical transports (aka bikes) that will tear up the tread and ruin the
> > experience for the other user groups. Be sure to mention that MTBers, the
> > people, are welcome on the PCT - if they leave their bikes at home and join
> > us on foot or on horseback, as the trail is intended to be.
> >
> > The battle to save the PCT has only just been joined - we had best settle
> > in for a protracted fight.
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> --
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:12:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or
> restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> To: PCTL <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Lindsey, Chris (shakes head) and the rest:
>
> If you would actually go over to the MTBer "share the PCT" Facebook page and read what these losers are planning on doing, you'd see that writing the members of Congress and the USFS brass in DC is the next thing these clowns are going to do. ?
>
> They lost at the Agency and want to bypass them by going to?politicians. ?
>
> Wake up and smell the coffee....it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. ?
>
> If enough of these MTB losers squeak, and its nothing but silence from our side, then you can bet the staffers (you know, the ones that control the appointment calendar of their Congress member - the ones you as Joe and Jane Six Pack Citizen have to convince BEFORE you get a chance to convince the Congress member) will be telling their bosses that hey, these MTB clowns have a potentially legit gripe (and with the outright lies the MTBers are telling, they just might convince a staffer). ?They'll be saying to their masters "boss, I think we can squeeze a campaign donation out of the IMBA or their lackeys if you put some calls into the USFS on this whole bike on the trail thing - yeah, boss, I don't get the bikes and trail thing either, who cares - hikers, bikers, horse types, they're all crunchy tree huggers, but these MTBer clowns won't go away, so let's shut 'em up and throw them a bone - just call the Forest Service and put in a good word for bikes,
> m-kay?"
>
> Our side had better make noise as well, else the Congress types & their staffers will think that all the potential campaign contribution money from the outdoor interests (the only consideration of most?politicians) will come from the MTBer crowd. ?It's incumbent on OUR side to make as much noise with the politicians as the MTBers, to cancel them out.
>
> Oh, and yes, I agree that the Congress critters have a lot more important junk to work on. ?But, since the MTBer clowns are going there, we need to counter them. ?They're in it for the long haul - we, the hikers and?equestrians?need to be as well. ??
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> To: PCTL <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 5:34 PM
> Subject: Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
>
>
> This is great news.
>
> Remember however that this is but an opening move in what will be a protracted war by the MTB clown crowd to destroy the PCT with their mechanical transports (aka bikes).
>
> Do not become complacent. ?If anything, NOW is the time to redouble our efforts to save and improve the PCT.
>
> Read their "sharing the PCT" page over there on FB. ?It's pathetic. ?In their sick, twisted minds, they have to ride (aka destroy) the PCT to save it, since it's underused and under maintained (their words, not the facts). ?It's paraphrased as "well, if you let us ride it, a few of us might help take care of it and since it's so lightly used, it'll be over grown if you don't let us ride it". ??
>
> Hikers, stay focused. ?Stay vigilant. ?Write your member of Congress. ?Write your Senators. ?Write the USFS in DC. ?Write them all to keep the PCT a wild, scenic trail where hikers and equestrians can walk in peace and quiet, free from squealing, fast moving, dangerous to hikers and stock mechanical transports (aka bikes) that will tear up the tread and ruin the experience for the other user groups. ?Be sure to mention that MTBers, the people, are welcome on the PCT - if they leave their bikes at home and join us on foot or on horseback, as the trail is intended to be.
>
> The battle to save the PCT has only just been joined - we had best settle in for a protracted fight.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:41:40 -0800
> From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Swami's pics
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <88d9251b5918a8a8d8ffef39cd863e6085e2b868 at webmail.gci.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> FYI--Cam Hanon has some great pics available on his
> website--www.thehikinglife.com. He hiked the PCT, CDT and AT last year
> (among other trails) in record time and culminated an 18 month long
> backpack? on Dec 28. I met him last March on the AZT.
> --Fireweed
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:59:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Chris Anderson <srhspaded at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or
> restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <1360393168.4627.YahooMailNeo at web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Chris still shakes his head. ?Of course these mtbers are going to write their local/state federal politcians....of course they are going to move on to higher and mightier places....the day they hear about an amendmnet to the wilderness act...it is the day i will eat my shoe....hopefully it is a new shoe if the day comes
> ?
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat!
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> To: PCTL <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
>
> Lindsey, Chris (shakes head) and the rest:
>
> If you would actually go over to the MTBer "share the PCT" Facebook page and read what these losers are planning on doing, you'd see that writing the members of Congress and the USFS brass in DC is the next thing these clowns are going to do. ?
>
> They lost at the Agency and want to bypass them by going to?politicians. ?
>
> Wake up and smell the coffee....it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. ?
>
> If enough of these MTB losers squeak, and its nothing but silence from our side, then you can bet the staffers (you know, the ones that control the appointment calendar of their Congress member - the ones you as Joe and Jane Six Pack Citizen have to convince BEFORE you get a chance to convince the Congress member) will be telling their bosses that hey, these MTB clowns have a potentially legit gripe (and with the outright lies the MTBers are telling, they just might convince a staffer). ?They'll be saying to their masters "boss, I think we can squeeze a campaign donation out of the IMBA or their lackeys if you put some calls into the USFS on this whole bike on the trail thing - yeah, boss, I don't get the bikes and trail thing either, who cares - hikers, bikers, horse types, they're all crunchy tree huggers, but these MTBer clowns won't go away, so let's shut 'em up and throw them a bone - just call the Forest Service and put in a good word for bikes,
> m-kay?"
>
> Our side had better make noise as well, else the Congress types & their staffers will think that all the potential campaign contribution money from the outdoor interests (the only consideration of most?politicians) will come from the MTBer crowd. ?It's incumbent on OUR side to make as much noise with the politicians as the MTBers, to cancel them out.
>
> Oh, and yes, I agree that the Congress critters have a lot more important junk to work on. ?But, since the MTBer clowns are going there, we need to counter them. ?They're in it for the long haul - we, the hikers and?equestrians?need to be as well. ??
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> To: PCTL <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 5:34 PM
> Subject: Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
>
>
> This is great news.
>
> Remember however that this is but an opening move in what will be a protracted war by the MTB clown crowd to destroy the PCT with their mechanical transports (aka bikes).
>
> Do not become complacent. ?If anything, NOW is the time to redouble our efforts to save and improve the PCT.
>
> Read their "sharing the PCT" page over there on FB. ?It's pathetic. ?In their sick, twisted minds, they have to ride (aka destroy) the PCT to save it, since it's underused and under maintained (their words, not the facts). ?It's paraphrased as "well, if you let us ride it, a few of us might help take care of it and since it's so lightly used, it'll be over grown if you don't let us ride it". ??
>
> Hikers, stay focused. ?Stay vigilant. ?Write your member of Congress. ?Write your Senators. ?Write the USFS in DC. ?Write them all to keep the PCT a wild, scenic trail where hikers and equestrians can walk in peace and quiet, free from squealing, fast moving, dangerous to hikers and stock mechanical transports (aka bikes) that will tear up the tread and ruin the experience for the other user groups. ?Be sure to mention that MTBers, the people, are welcome on the PCT - if they leave their bikes at home and join us on foot or on horseback, as the trail is intended to be.
>
> The battle to save the PCT has only just been joined - we had best settle in for a protracted fight.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 23:03:19 -0800
> From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fwd: Re: Food in tents
> To: "C" <chrisfoley81 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> ?Chris--Just like you can take precautions when you go to a large
> city to avoid getting mugged, you learn to take precautions out in the
> wilderness. All of the hazards you mention can be avoided. But just
> look at the statistics--how many hikers actually are harmed every year
> by the things you mentioned? Do you stop driving a car because people
> have fatal accidents? If hikers were dying like flies from the hazards
> you mentioned, no one would be backpacking in the numbers that they
> are today.
>
> I remember while camping one night hearing a comedy show on my radio
> and the comedian was joking about going camping with his girlfriend
> and how he took it for granted that there were serial killers lurking
> in the woods. This was ironic because I was listening to this while in
> my tent in the exact circumstance he was freaked out about. It is hard
> to believe how paranoid people are about sleeping outside.
>
> I don't know what to say except to try it out--go with friends Carry
> an MP3 player or a radio to distract yourself from annoying sounds and
> use ear plugs, although a lot of people like to hear the natural
> sounds.
>
> You can also educate yourself about avoiding lightning and mountain
> lions--there are steps you can take to avoid each one of those. Rock
> falls are an act of God--hard to avoid, but not exactly a leading
> cause of death and injury for hikers. Maybe hike with a hard hat and
> full body armor.
>
> --Fireweed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C"
> To:"Mary Kwart"
> Cc:"pct-l at backcountry.net"
> Sent:Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:44:04 -0800
> Subject:Re: [pct-l] Fwd: Re: Food in tents
>
> I just want to stay alive..bears or no bears!!! Lol...how bout the
> rumors of mountain lions stalking hikers during night hikes, rock
> falls, and lighting...
> Can anyone make any suggestions other than stay home :)
> Thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "Mary Kwart" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mary Kwart"
> > To: "Edward Anderson"
> > Sent: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:33:33 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in tents
> > Mendorider:
> >
> > Yes--I believe that using bear canisters are required in the area
> you
> > mentioned now, isn't it? That's what I said--don't hang your food
> in
> > an area where bear canisters are required. I also suggested using
> the
> > Ursack/Opsack in areas where canisters aren't required.
> >
> > I, too, have also seen mother bears send their cubs up after food
> that
> > is hung with the counterbalance method on flimsy branches in the
> > Sierra before bear canisters were required. And before the
> > counterbalance method, bears knew that ropes attached to the trees
> > could be messed with to bring down the food bag. My job in 1985 was
> > backpacking to lightning fires in Yosemite and camping out, taking
> > measurements of fire behavior, so we saw our share of bears. I also
> > worked there on lightning fires in 1998-2000 and led beginning
> > backpack trips on the Muir Trail from Tuolumne Meadows--bear
> central.
> > Thank God the NPS made canisters a requirement by then.
> >
> > The reason I tell people to consider hanging their food outside of
> > known repetitive problem areas is I have not seen that level of
> > understanding in any bear population except those in the high
> problem
> > areas in the Sierra--not in the north Cascades, the Colorado
> Rockies,
> > the Kenai and the Interior of Alaska, the Trinities in Northern
> > California, northern Arizona. I have no experience hiking on the
> > AT--so can't speak to that or other places I have not been.
> >
> > The URsack/Opsack is a viable alternative--perhaps using one of
> those
> > AND hanging it would be the best solution I have been thinking of
> > buying one, although I rarely hang my food outside of required bear
> > canister areas.
> >
> > --Fireweed
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Edward Anderson"
> > To:"Mary Kwart" , "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> > Cc:
> > Sent:Thu, 07 Feb 2013 17:37:11 -0800 (PST)
> > Subject:Re: [pct-l] Food in tents
> >
> > Hello Mary, While I greatly respect you and all your experience, I
> > have to disagree with you on your advice to hang a food bag. I used
> > to do that in bear country in the Sierra. The incident that I will
> > describe happened about 30 years ago, when bears in the Sierra were
> a
> > real problem Having been trained by Rangers that human food is good
> > (Park Rangers used to feed the bears garbage so the park visitors
> > could watch!), they followed hikers to places close to timberline,
> > knowing that there would be food. Here is the incident that I want
> to
> > describe: I had taken my son and three of his friends on a
> > fishing-backpack trip starting at Roads End in Sequoia. We hiked up
> > Bubbs Creek to the JMT and then went south over Forester Pass to
> fish
> > the lakes in the upper Kern. Since bears were known to be a
> problem, I
> > decided to make our first camp high along Bubbs Creek at a place
> > where others had not camped - a place where bears, I thought, were
> > less likely to be. I did a good job of hanging our food bag at
> least
> > 15 feet above the ground and had the rope over a small horizontal
> > branch about seven or eight feet from the tree trunk. The last
> thing I
> > saw before falling asleep was the food bag silhouetted against the
> > star-studded night sky. Something awakened me during the night.
> When I
> > looked up the food bag was gone. As I scrambled to exit my bag the
> > bears left. They had gotten about a third of our food - and that's
> a
> > lot when you have three hungry boys along. We were to eat lots of
> > trout. Fortunately the fishing was great. When we returned to Roads
> > End I reported it to the Ranger. He told me that there was a mother
> > bear and her cub(s) who were working Bubbs Creek. She had
> apparently
> > taught the cub to climb the trees and then go out on the limbs to
> > release the food bags. Bears are REALLY smart. I no longer hang
> > food. In riding the PCT through N. California, Oregon, and
> Washington
> > I saw a lot of hanging bags. I suppose that must work for most
> > hikers. I just used OPSaks and my bear charms. To be extra
> cautious, I
> > also camouflaged the OPSaks - since they are transparent, while I
> > realize that bears have poor eyesight, if they just happen to SEE
> the
> > food inside, they would tear open the sack. I brought two Garcias
> > during my ride through the Sierra between Horseshoe Meadows and
> Sierra
> > City. In them I stored my food and the processed horse feed. I
> carried
> > them in knapsacks that took the place of the jumbo pommel bags that
> I
> > used on all the rest of the PCT. And they held a greater volume of
> > food. Regarding Ursacks - realize that they do not contain food
> > smells. They are not odor-proof. While bears can't get the food
> > inside, they might be attracted to the smell and your camp
> > location. The same is true of bear canisters. That's why you are
> > required to place them so far away from where you sleep. I have
> tested
> > various food packaging, double Ziploks, and OPSaks in my
> > rodent-infested barn in Agua Dulce. They have never gotten into an
> > OPSak. They walk all around them and even over them. If they were
> as
> > intelligent as bears they would get in. MendoRider-Hiker FROM:
> > Mary Kwart
> > TO: pct-l at backcountry.net; douglastow at gmail.com
> > SENT: Thursday, February 7, 2013 12:48 PM
> > SUBJECT: [pct-l] Food in tents
> >
> > This is a controversial topic so what I tell the people in a
> > backpacking strategies for success class is:
> >
> > 1. Always carry food in a bear canister in the places it is
> > required--there is a good reason. I have worked for the Park
> Service
> > at Yosemite and regale people with stories of how smart and
> > resourceful the bears are in the Sierra. By the way, bears there
> know
> > people use canisters and have learned diversion tactics to get to
> food
> > before it is in the canister at night--like when you are preparing
> > dinner. I have experienced bears batting around my bear canister at
> > night, but that has only been in popular campsites when camping
> with a
> > group Using bear canisters in these areas saves bears lives.
> >
> > 2. When in doubt, in places other than where you have to carry a
> bear
> > canister by law, carry a lightweight rope to hang your food and
> hang
> > it as often as you feel you must--That may be every night. Be aware
> of
> > indications of bear activity--bear scat, bear paw prints and talk
> to
> > others on the trail to get information and let that and common
> sense
> > guide you. When camping near a popular area like by a lake a short
> > distance from a trailhead, take extra precautions or camp miles
> away
> > from these areas If you are caching food for any length of time or
> > leaving your camp for a day hike, it also makes sense to hang your
> > food or use an Ursack.
> >
> > 3. The longer you hike in the areas where bear canisters are not
> > required by law, the more your decision to protect your food from
> > critters will be informed by your experience, hence the need to
> hang
> > your food will diminish because you have learned to be more aware
> of
> > bear indicators. That is why people with a lot of hiking experience
> > keep their food in their tents at night with no problem for
> > years.Until you reach that level of knowledge, by all means hang
> your
> > food, or use an Ursack.
> >
> > It is hard to convince new hikers that in 99% of all long distance
> > hiking areas, the animals have better things to do than target you
> and
> > the small amount of food you carry. Once again, I impress on people
> > the need to carry bear canisters where required by law and to hang
> > their food if they have the least bit of anxiety. or will be
> leaving
> > their food unattended.
> >
> > --Fireweed
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 13:16:49 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or
> restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> I hope Chris is being sarcastic, but if not, t his sounds like a troll attempt.? Of course, Congress members and Senators have more important things to do, but they respond to constituents above all else.? And talking to their staffs is the way to get the elected officials' attentions.
>
> Mango
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Chris Anderson" <srhspaded at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 10:26:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict????????ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
>
> I think our congressmen and senators have more important things to do...like nothing...but i guess it wouldn't help to let their staff know!
> ?
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat!
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> ?From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> To: PCTL <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 5:34 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> ?
> This is great news.
>
> Remember however that this is but an opening move in what will be a protracted war by the MTB clown crowd to destroy the PCT with their mechanical transports (aka bikes).
>
> Do not become complacent. ?If anything, NOW is the time to redouble our efforts to save and improve the PCT.
>
> Read their "sharing the PCT" page over there on FB. ?It's pathetic. ?In their sick, twisted minds, they have to ride (aka destroy) the PCT to save it, since it's underused and under maintained (their words, not the facts). ?It's paraphrased as "well, if you let us ride it, a few of us might help take care of it and since it's so lightly used, it'll be over grown if you don't let us ride it". ??
>
> Hikers, stay focused. ?Stay vigilant. ?Write your member of Congress. ?Write your Senators. ?Write the USFS in DC. ?Write them all to keep the PCT a wild, scenic trail where hikers and equestrians can walk in peace and quiet, free from squealing, fast moving, dangerous to hikers and stock mechanical transports (aka bikes) that will tear up the tread and ruin the experience for the other user groups. ?Be sure to mention that MTBers, the people, are welcome on the PCT - if they leave their bikes at home and join us on foot or on horseback, as the trail is intended to be.
>
> The battle to save the PCT has only just been joined - we had best settle in for a protracted fight.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 10:00:21 -0500
> From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or
> restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Suggestions:
>
> Have the PCTA create a position paper and post in on the web site in clear view for all -- and not just hikers -- to understand the issues.
> Draft a "form" letter similar to that on the "share the PCT" Facebook page and encourage everybody on this list serve to send copies to their congressmen.
> Refrain from calling the MTBers names such as clowns and losers
>
> Ernie Castillo
> PCT Class of 1980
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:12:26 -0800
> > From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> >
> > Lindsey, Chris (shakes head) and the rest:
> >
> > If you would actually go over to the MTBer "share the PCT" Facebook page and read what these losers are planning on doing, you'd see that writing the members of Congress and the USFS brass in DC is the next thing these clowns are going to do.
> >
> > They lost at the Agency and want to bypass them by going to politicians.
> >
> > Wake up and smell the coffee....it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 07:12:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: andrew walls <pcthkr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fuel cell USB charger
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> This looks like an intersting option for the folks that just have to have their electronic gizmos in the back country.
> http://www.nectarpower.com/
> ?
> ?
> Andrew
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 08:38:35 -0800
> From: Meridith Rosendahl <meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in tents
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> That's funny, Piper. Back more than 20 years ago a girlfriend and I had
> horse packed up to Nelson Lake in the Sierras above Courtright Reservoir in
> late August or early September. Being very inexperienced at camping in the
> Sierra wilderness our food and cooking gear was spread out on a rock we
> used as a kitchen table. In our tent one night, the moon shining bright
> and the door open to the warm breezes we heard some very loud noises right
> outside the tent. When we gathered enough courage to look, it was a
> grazing cow! At 8500 feet. The only critters that scared the beejesus out
> of us were some stupid humans on the other side of the lake who were
> randomly firing guns. Now that's scary.
>
> Piper's Mom
>
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:11:14 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in tents
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> This was the scariest creature I encountered on the trail:
> http://tinyurl.com/a2gk9yh
>
> It took me a while to figure out what to do about him. I don't think
> I've ever been in the presence of one before, although I've probably
> eaten a few.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:22:13 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Document and report illegal MB's on the PCT.
> To: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Yours is a great suggestion Ernie. The MB'ers will keep trying - they will be relentless in their efforts?to access the PCT. If not legally, some will continue to use it illegally. We, hikers and equestrians, must document them, with our cameras,?and report them, as I have done. Whenever possible, take pictures of them, their vehicles with bike racks and showing license plates,?and the PCT posts there?banning bicycles,?at trail-heads.
> ?
> MendoRider-Hiker?
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 7:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
>
>
> Suggestions:
>
> Have the PCTA create a position paper and post in on the web site in clear view for all -- and not just hikers -- to understand the issues.
> Draft a "form" letter similar to that on the "share the PCT" Facebook page and encourage everybody on this list serve to send copies to their congressmen.
> Refrain from calling the MTBers names such as clowns and losers
>
> Ernie Castillo
> PCT Class of 1980
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:12:26 -0800
> > From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> >
> > Lindsey, Chris (shakes head) and the rest:
> >
> > If you would actually go over to the MTBer "share the PCT" Facebook page and read what these losers are planning on doing, you'd see that writing the members of Congress and the USFS brass in DC is the next thing these clowns are going to do.?
> >
> > They lost at the Agency and want to bypass them by going to politicians.?
> >
> > Wake up and smell the coffee....it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.? ??? ??? ??? ? ??? ??? ?
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:30:42 -0800
> From: leslie dow <leslie at atfore.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Document and report illegal MB's on the PCT.
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Another approach might be to work with the MB'ers to see if there is some middle ground that could be reached. With federal funding being what it is and state funding almost non-existant, having the MB'ers invested in the long-term preservation of the trail could be a good thing.
>
> Like I said in my earlier post, I don't want to start a war, but demonizing a group of people usually does not end well.
>
> I totally agree with Ernie.
>
> Leslie
>
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Yours is a great suggestion Ernie. The MB'ers will keep trying - they will be relentless in their efforts to access the PCT. If not legally, some will continue to use it illegally. We, hikers and equestrians, must document them, with our cameras, and report them, as I have done. Whenever possible, take pictures of them, their vehicles with bike racks and showing license plates, and the PCT posts there banning bicycles, at trail-heads.
> >
> > MendoRider-Hiker
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 7:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> >
> >
> > Suggestions:
> >
> > Have the PCTA create a position paper and post in on the web site in clear view for all -- and not just hikers -- to understand the issues.
> > Draft a "form" letter similar to that on the "share the PCT" Facebook page and encourage everybody on this list serve to send copies to their congressmen.
> > Refrain from calling the MTBers names such as clowns and losers
> >
> > Ernie Castillo
> > PCT Class of 1980
> >
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:12:26 -0800
> >> From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com
> >> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> >>
> >> Lindsey, Chris (shakes head) and the rest:
> >>
> >> If you would actually go over to the MTBer "share the PCT" Facebook page and read what these losers are planning on doing, you'd see that writing the members of Congress and the USFS brass in DC is the next thing these clowns are going to do.
> >>
> >> They lost at the Agency and want to bypass them by going to politicians.
> >>
> >> Wake up and smell the coffee....it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:48:57 -0800 (PST)
> From: Scott Iceberg <scotticeberg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Document and report illegal MB's on the PCT.
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>, Ernie Castillo
> <erniec01 at hotmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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> But, why? Why is it such a big deal? What action do you expect to be the result of taking pictures and reporting mb'ers?
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> To: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>; "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 12:22 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Document and report illegal MB's on the PCT.
>
> Yours is a great suggestion Ernie. The MB'ers will keep trying - they will be relentless in their efforts?to access the PCT. If not legally, some will continue to use it illegally. We, hikers and equestrians, must document them, with our cameras,?and report them, as I have done. Whenever possible, take pictures of them, their vehicles with bike racks and showing license plates,?and the PCT posts there?banning bicycles,?at trail-heads.
> ?
> MendoRider-Hiker?
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 7:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> ?
>
> Suggestions:
>
> Have the PCTA create a position paper and post in on the web site in clear view for all -- and not just hikers -- to understand the issues.
> Draft a "form" letter similar to that on the "share the PCT" Facebook page and encourage everybody on this list serve to send copies to their congressmen.
> Refrain from calling the MTBers names such as clowns and losers
>
> Ernie Castillo
> PCT Class of 1980
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:12:26 -0800
> > From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> >
> > Lindsey, Chris (shakes head) and the rest:
> >
> > If you would actually go over to the MTBer "share the PCT" Facebook page and read what these losers are planning on doing, you'd see that writing the members of Congress and the USFS brass in DC is the next thing these clowns are going to do.?
> >
> > They lost at the Agency and want to bypass them by going to politicians.?
> >
> > Wake up and smell the coffee....it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.?? ??? ???? ??? ?? ??? ??? ?
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:51:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Scott Iceberg <scotticeberg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or
> restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> To: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> In all reality the MB'er are just more efficient. Traveling by bike, rather than foot, is about twice as efficient. Think about the children.
>
> I fail to see how mountain bikers are a problem when equestrians tear up the trail just as much, and leave giant dung piles behind.
> What gives? In my neck of the woods I'm just glad not to see motorized vehicles on my local trails.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
>
>
> Suggestions:
>
> Have the PCTA create a position paper and post in on the web site in clear view for all -- and not just hikers -- to understand the issues.
> Draft a "form" letter similar to that on the "share the PCT" Facebook page and encourage everybody on this list serve to send copies to their congressmen.
> Refrain from calling the MTBers names such as clowns and losers
>
> Ernie Castillo
> PCT Class of 1980
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:12:26 -0800
> > From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Forest Service rejects efforts to rescind or restrict ban on mountain bikes on PCT!
> >
> > Lindsey, Chris (shakes head) and the rest:
> >
> > If you would actually go over to the MTBer "share the PCT" Facebook page and read what these losers are planning on doing, you'd see that writing the members of Congress and the USFS brass in DC is the next thing these clowns are going to do.?
> >
> > They lost at the Agency and want to bypass them by going to politicians.?
> >
> > Wake up and smell the coffee....it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.? ??? ??? ??? ? ??? ??? ?
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