[pct-l] IT BAND INJURY
Teal Richards-Dimitrie
teal02 at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 26 17:46:28 CDT 2013
This well worked for me for most of a soccer season with IT band issues...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCReh8GCUjc
~Snake Lady
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> 1. IT BAND INJURY (Ben Ulsh)
> 2. Re: IT BAND INJURY (Kathi)
> 3. Re: IT BAND INJURY (Jim Marco)
> 4. Re: IT BAND INJURY (Terry)
> 5. Attn: JMT Reinhold (Reinhold Metzger)
> 6. IT BAND INJURY (Nick Thelen)
> 7. Re: IT BAND INJURY (Kathi)
> 8. shoes (Jane Overton)
> 9. Re: shoes (Eric Lee)
> 10. water between Cajon Pass and Wrightwood (Johanna Santore)
> 11. Keeping track of one another (Halmargolis at aol.com)
> 12. Re: Donde esta la tyveka? (Hollywood)
> 13. Re: Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 14. Re: Payphones and Collect Calls
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 15. Re: Post walk across America. The PCT Next? (David Thibault)
> 16. Re: Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like? (Bob Bankhead)
> 17. Re: Post walk across America. The PCT Next? (Ron)
> 18. Re: Payphones and Collect Calls (Ron)
> 19. Re: Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 20. Post walk across America. The PCT Next? (Nathan Dreon)
> 21. Re: Attn: JMT Reinhold (Terry)
> 22. IT BAND INJURY (Nathan Dreon)
> 23. Re: Attn: JMT Reinhold (Ron)
> 24. Re: Attn: JMT Reinhold (Lindsey Sommer)
> 25. Re: Post walk across America. The PCT Next? (A.C. Scott )
> 26. Re: Post walk across America. The PCT Next? (A.C. Scott )
> 27. Re: water between Cajon Pass and Wrightwood (A.C. Scott )
> 28. Re: Keeping track of one another (A.C. Scott )
> 29. Next Section E Work Project: May 18 (Kev)
> 30. Preliminary hike report - Cottonwood Bridge to Trail Pass
> (Anthony Biegen)
> 31. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 64, Issue 31 (Cari and Pete Tucker)
> 32. Re: Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like? (Terry)
> 33. Re: Preliminary hike report - Cottonwood Bridge to Trail Pass
> (Brick Robbins)
> 34. Re: Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like? (tom aterno)
> 35. Re: Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 36. Re: Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 37. Re: Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like? (Bob Bankhead)
> 38. Re: Doctor/allergist near paradise cafe? (rikaandoli at gmail.com)
> 39. Re: Post walk across America. The PCT Next? (Devon Taig)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:43:13 -0700
> From: Ben Ulsh <ulshbdbd at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] IT BAND INJURY
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> Hi PCT people. I need your help. I just hitched into Julian because of a VERY sore IT band. Can anyone whose dealt with IT band issues offer any words of wisdom/ advice. I was feeling great the first 4 days and out of nowhere I'm peg legging it down the trail. THANK YOU!!
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:15:42 -0700
> From: Kathi <pogo at pctwalker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] IT BAND INJURY
> To: Ben Ulsh <ulshbdbd at gmail.com>
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> Hi Ben,
> Stretch, stretch, stretch! Here are two really good stretches... try and
> find something that is a hard roll, maybe if you have a mattress pad
> that can be rolled up tightly, it needs to be hard though not soft. Put
> the rolled up object on the ground, balance yourself on the other leg
> and your hands and then with the leg that is sore down toward the ground
> put your knee on the roll and gently roll yourself (your leg) from knee
> to hip along the rolled up object. This will help to stretch out the
> band. Don't push too hard, take it easy. Do this several times during
> your day. It would be good to do it on both legs so the other doesn't
> get mad too. Another good stretch is to be sitting and have one knee
> bent and the other laying out straight, then taking your bent knee in
> hand gently pull your knee across your body so you are kind of crossing
> your chest with your bent leg. Of course ice or cold water will help
> reduce swelling too.
> Puddles
>
>
> On 4/25/13 10:43 AM, Ben Ulsh wrote:
> > Hi PCT people. I need your help. I just hitched into Julian because of a VERY sore IT band. Can anyone whose dealt with IT band issues offer any words of wisdom/ advice. I was feeling great the first 4 days and out of nowhere I'm peg legging it down the trail. THANK YOU!!
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:16:28 +0000
> From: Jim Marco <jdm27 at cornell.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] IT BAND INJURY
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> Well, there are a lot of muscles/connective tissues in that area. Sorry, I am no medical doctor. But, if you have been hiking fairly hard, it could just be a "training" injury. I have experienced this, even when I was running a 1/3-1/2 marathon (7-10mi) daily. Walking 15-20mi a day with a load, even 25-30 pounds, is just not the same as running for a couple hours. This will usually heal up in two or three days with light use. Fall back to 5-10mi/day for a couple days and see what happens. If it gets worse, it may require therapy. But, sore hips and knees are *my* normal for the first few weeks of a long hike. I can hope you will heal in short order. Alieve (ibuprofen) may help, as long as it doesn't mask any serious pain. Training is never the same as being out there. I think you will find it is just "stiff" after a couple days, not really painful. Eventually it won't even bother you.
>
> I have never been so bad I could NOT hike, though. Just prone to being sore...no fun. I chalked it up to old age and just kept going, though with a limp, for a couple short days. Good Luck!
> My thoughts only . . .
> jdm
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> Hi PCT people. I need your help. I just hitched into Julian because of a VERY sore IT band. Can anyone whose dealt with IT band issues offer any words of wisdom/ advice. I was feeling great the first 4 days and out of nowhere I'm peg legging it down the trail. THANK YOU!!
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> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:29:05 -0700
> From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] IT BAND INJURY
> To: Ben Ulsh <ulshbdbd at gmail.com>
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> I have some experience with a seized up IT band and what I learned and did that worked for me is this.
>
> 1. Get a watch or clock.
> 2. Sit down so your knee is bent at a 90% angle.
> 3. Important - check the tightness of your IT band.
> 4. Take both hands, grab your calf just below your knee, with your thumbs touching, and rotate your calf outward for 60 seconds.
> If you experience any pain while doing this, STOP.
> 5. After 60 seconds, check the tightness of your IT band again while sitting at the same position you started from to see if you have a positive result.
>
> Terry
>
>
>
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> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Ben Ulsh <ulshbdbd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi PCT people. I need your help. I just hitched into Julian because of a VERY sore IT band. Can anyone whose dealt with IT band issues offer any words of wisdom/ advice. I was feeling great the first 4 days and out of nowhere I'm peg legging it down the trail. THANK YOU!!
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> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:47:41 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Attn: JMT Reinhold
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> [pct-l] Attn: JMT Reinhold
>
>
> Yes Terry,....so true.
>
> As always some overly serious individuals on the list can't differentiate
> between humor and straight talk and take everything dead serious.
>
> Just in case you overly serious folks have not yet comprehended the real
> meaning,...it was "Trail Humor",...that's all,...NOT an attack on women.
> Get over it, quit gnashing your teeth, don't get all uptight it is not
> good for you.
>
> I am "Old School"....I treat my women right...put them on a pedestal and
> treat
> them like a princess....any woman who really got to know me will tell
> you that.
>
> For you overly serious folks' information the vast majority of responses
> that
> I got off list, like always were...he,he,he,he,...you crack me up
> Reinhold...that
> was funny.
> One women thought it was hilarious and asked my permission to present it
> at a women hiker forum.
> Obviously she realized it as trail humor, not an attack on women.
> But, like always, that is off list from the silent majority, while the
> noisy minority
> makes a lot of noise on the list in the form of insults and hateful
> ranting in
> response to some silly trail humor.
> That should tell you something about their mentality.
>
> I look at life from a humorous, happy go lucky point of view and therefore
> tend to inject humor in most everything I do.
>
> Most folks recognize it as humor, not an insult and just laugh at it.
> However, some folks who take everything dead serious may not recognize
> it as humor and get upset and respond accordingly.
>
> To our overly serious members I'll say,...loosen up,...don't be so
> serious,...
> put some humor in your life,...don't let little things upset you...IT 'S NOT
> GOOD FOR YOU.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> Your happy go lucky trail companion
>
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> [pct-l] Attn: JMT Reinhold
>
> *Terry* tsparks56 at aol.com
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> Julia,
> I do believe JMT's post was very much "tongue in cheek".
> Many times things get misunderstood when in the written word, we
> don't have the benefit of voice inflection to let others know our
> statement is being made in a fun way.
> I don't know Reinold personally but, I have read enough of his post
> to know he is a good person and in no way trying to insult anyone.
>
> Terry
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:51:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nick Thelen <nthelen03 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] IT BAND INJURY
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> IT Band injury/soreness is a bugger....but very treatable as others have stated with stretches and rollers.
>
> First I would make sure it was your IT band that is hurting. ?
>
> In most cases the pain is located on the outside of your leg?slightly?above the knee?where it rubs on the lower end of your femur.
>
> If your pain is below your kneecap, higher up on you outer thigh, or on the inside of your leg near the knee you have a different problem.
>
> my .02
> - Nick
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:19:23 -0700
> From: Kathi <pogo at pctwalker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] IT BAND INJURY
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I missed one thing that might not be clear in my first stretch that I
> just sent, you are rolling along the outside of your leg, so your leg
> should be against the roll as if you are laying on your side.
>
> On 4/25/13 10:43 AM, Ben Ulsh wrote:
> > Hi PCT people. I need your help. I just hitched into Julian because of a VERY sore IT band. Can anyone whose dealt with IT band issues offer any words of wisdom/ advice. I was feeling great the first 4 days and out of nowhere I'm peg legging it down the trail. THANK YOU!!
> >
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> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:30:31 -0600
> From: Jane Overton <neoaflander at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] shoes
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> I talked go someonewho was wearing five finger vibram shoes. He said he had
> beenwearing them for hiking and running for two years and they were great.
> Any comments? I am planning on buying them as my next pair of trail shoes.
> cheers
> Jane
>
>
> --
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:53:22 -0700
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] shoes
> To: "'Jane Overton'" <neoaflander at gmail.com>, <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> Jane wrote:
> >
> I talked go someonewho was wearing five finger vibram shoes. He said he had
> beenwearing them for hiking and running for two years and they were great.
> Any comments? I am planning on buying them as my next pair of trail shoes.
> >
>
> The Five Fingers are a pretty specialized choice of shoe for long-distance
> hiking. A few people use them and like them, but only a few. It's probably
> not something you want to jump into without extensive experimenting and
> training first. The two major considerations are a) your feet will need to
> adjust and compensate for the lack of support and cushion, and b) you'll
> have very little room for error about stepping on sharp sticks or rocks,
> kicking rocks, and generally making mistakes as you walk. You'll need to be
> more aware of the trail tread and what you're doing.
>
> Neither of those things are necessarily bad, but they'll take time and
> effort to adjust to. If you switch to the Five Fingers, you'll probably
> want to treat it as a major project, not a spur-of-the-moment decision.
>
> Eric
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:35:16 -0700
> From: Johanna Santore <johanna.santore at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] water between Cajon Pass and Wrightwood
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I am checking on the water daily at the cache at Swarthout Canyon 5 miles
> approximately after the McDonalds Stopover (everybody stops at MC's) at
> the 15 fwy in Cajon Pass. There are 12 gallons there at the moment, did
> put 20 but someone took 8 of them (someone with a car probably) and will
> buy more by the weekend. Good luck everyone and hope to meet a few of you
> this year. We usually stop by and check in the evening to replenish.
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:18:24 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Halmargolis at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Keeping track of one another
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> Kendall,
>
> Diane's idea of placing a pole on the opposite side while doing it in the
> bush is great!
> Many use posting at registers and numerous posts. Used a whistle (1 blast
> to announce location or to acknowledge, 2 blasts to request a blast or
> yell, and three blasts, come to me. A high frequency yell, a Whoop whoop was
> more fun. Being familiar with one another's footprint MAY help. Also,
> simply ask southbounders if they saw him. What worked most of the time is
> agreeing to not go any further than a certain pleasant spot or eatery and wait.
> My favorite, if ahead, is writing my initials on the trail with the time of
> day.
>
> Hal "Green Hornet"
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/25/2013 10:00:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> pct-l-request at backcountry.net writes:
>
> . Does anyone have a good system for keeping track of your partner
> > on the
> > trail?
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:43:41 -0700
> From: Hollywood <100marathonsorg at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Donde esta la tyveka?
> To: Full Name <2heeldr at myway.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> It was me, but I won't be selling at KO as I'm flying and can't bring much
> stuff. I bought a roll of Tyvek Drainwrap and can bring some to you at KO
> if you email/call/text me. I'm asking $2/foot at 9 feet wide to cover my
> costs. Let me know if you'd like mt to bring some for you.
>
> Cheers
> Hollywood
> cell: 503 804 7550
>
>
>
> There was someone on this thread that was trying to sell the stuff and will
> have it at the kick off for sale, check this thread,
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> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Full Name <2heeldr at myway.com> wrote:
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> > There was someone on this thread that was trying to sell the stuff and
> > will have it at the kick off for sale, check this thread,
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:08:14 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I shouldn't have worried so much. TrailHacker is alive.
>
> He provides the following information. Hopefully he'll be home soon
> to post whatever I forgot or misunderstood.
>
> 1. The Spanish Needle creeks, according to the ranch owner of the
> area, look like they would in September after a hot dry summer. But
> there was water.
>
> 2. In fact, there was water everywhere there was supposed to be water.
>
> 3. It was 27 degrees one day leaving Tehachapi and 80 the other day
> in Kennedy Meadows. He thinks this seems a little backwards.
>
> 4. There was almost no snow at all on Olancha pass. Almost no snow
> between Kennedy Meadows and Trail Pass where he exited. Mt. Langley
> looked like it didn't have much snow left on it.
>
> 5. He saw a fighter jet about 100 feet directly overhead flying
> upside down. He could see the guy in the cockpit.
>
> He's hiking down the road (it's still closed) to some resort with
> Lilac in the name. I can't find it doing a google search. He's going
> to stay there tonight. It's 12 miles from the Trail Pass trailhead
> down that road. Hopefully he can figure out transportation home. If
> anyone is going to Kickoff on Friday and is in the area of Lone Pine,
> maybe you could help him get part way to Santa Barbara and I can pick
> him up somewhere like Mojave? If so, I can send you his phone number
> or give him yours, if there is cell service at that resort. Otherwise
> hopefully someone will see his forelorn figure continuing down the
> lonely road to Lone Pine.
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> > <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> >
> > Still haven't heard from TrailHacker.
> >
> > Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like right now? A lot of snow? How
> > is the weather up there? It's sort of strange here in Santa Barbara.
> > Sort of like rain.
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:15:51 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Payphones and Collect Calls
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> That's partly why I hung up on the call the first time. I could not
> hear the person say their name, and it was MCI which is a shady no-
> good company I do not wish to have any access to my credit card info.
>
> Hey, in the spirit of Bipolar's post about not listening to the hype,
> let me reassure you that even though I reported that TrailHacker says
> Spanish Needle creek was like September after a hot dry summer, I
> hiked there in mid-October once and there still was water then. Not
> trying to post any hype.
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Payphones and Collect Calls
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <BLU177-DS79BBFAC0B9F668F139DC5AEB60 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Ref: [pct-l] Anybody seen TrailHacker?
> >
> > I can't help with Trailhacker's location, but as an aside on this
> > message
> > thread, I would caution folks to be very circumspect about using
> > pay phones
> > for collect calls. I did that at White Pass outside the Kracker
> > Barrel store
> > and ended up with an $84 bill for a five minute phone call.
> > Complaining to
> > AT&T didn't help as they said they were just passing on the bill
> > from the
> > third party that owned the payphone. I called the third party and
> > spoke to
> > somebody overseas - Africa I think - and they were quite willing to
> > haggle a
> > little but even after that I still felt it shouldn't have been so
> > expensive.
> > As a matter of principle I wrote them a long letter accusing them of
> > predatory pricing and anything else I could think of (I'm an
> > engineer, not a
> > lawyer) and threatened to report them to the FCC if they didn't
> > reduce it to
> > less than $10. The threat worked as they wrote it off eventually,
> > but it was
> > way more hassle than it was worth. With cell phone coverage and
> > wifi access
> > getting so much better every year, this is probably not such an
> > issue. But
> > as a last resort, a phone card is lot cheaper way to go and a lot
> > lighter
> > than a roll of quarters.
> >
> > Peanut Eater
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:25:13 -0700
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Post walk across America. The PCT Next?
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <CAD-wseuASO7LE4HSZKQsppY5yChpAK=FV5VYUh9e+V1cou_qpA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> While I support your cause I don't think this is a good idea.
>
> If you want ot hike the PCT then please just hike the PCT everyone is
> welcome on the trail. What I don't want to see is ANY political activity
> on the trail. I go to the trail to get away frrom news, publicity,
> politics, normal life issues, etc. The PCT is an attempt at a wilderness
> experience - ask yourself: will I do doing something to harm that
> experience for others. Being out there looking for media attention to a
> cause - any cause - takes away from the purpose of the trail.
>
> Hope to see you out there - but as a hiker enjoying the wilderness - not as
> a poltical activist using the trail for there own agenda.
>
>
> Day-Late
>
>
>
> > I am exploring the idea of walking the PCT with a bunch of like minded
> > equality folks. Anyone up for talking about it?
> > Richard Noble, Walk Across America
> >
> > --
> > *IN THE NEWS LINKS*
> > Walk Across America
> > I<
> > http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2012/07/richard-noble-walks-across-america-to-spread-his-dream-of-lgbt-equality/
> > >
> > Walk Across America
> > II<
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/todd-fernandez/richard-noble-walk-across-america_b_1597142.html
> > >
> > The Prophecy of Marriage
> > Equality<
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-m-russell/richard-noble-on-equality_b_758321.html
> > >
> >
> > *ENDORSE THE PLEDGE FOR FULL LGBT EQUALITY*
> > *HERE<http://www.actonprinciples.org/thepledge/>
> > *
> > *NO BULLIES VIDEO HERE <http://youtu.be/trqW3OAaduI>*
> >
> > *Richard Noble, activist *
> > *WALK ACROSS AMERICA*
> > *760-992-4172*
> >
> > .
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:37:21 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> To: "'Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes'"
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <003401ce4216$375df020$a619d060$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Not to worry. There is a county bus that runs between Lone Pine and Bishop,
> where he can catch the ESTA bus right to Reno airport.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:57:20 -0700
> From: Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Post walk across America. The PCT Next?
> To: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>, pct-l
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <su2i1n7vil9jqh6tvnkxrhma.1366937840431 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I strongly agree. Leave politics out of it.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone
>
> David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >While I support your cause I don't think this is a good idea.
> >
> >If you want ot hike the PCT then please just hike the PCT everyone is
> >welcome on the trail. What I don't want to see is ANY political activity
> >on the trail. I go to the trail to get away frrom news, publicity,
> >politics, normal life issues, etc. The PCT is an attempt at a wilderness
> >experience - ask yourself: will I do doing something to harm that
> >experience for others. Being out there looking for media attention to a
> >cause - any cause - takes away from the purpose of the trail.
> >
> >Hope to see you out there - but as a hiker enjoying the wilderness - not as
> >a poltical activist using the trail for there own agenda.
> >
> >
> >Day-Late
> >
> >
> >
> >> I am exploring the idea of walking the PCT with a bunch of like minded
> >> equality folks. Anyone up for talking about it?
> >> Richard Noble, Walk Across America
> >>
> >> --
> >> *IN THE NEWS LINKS*
> >> Walk Across America
> >> I<
> >> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2012/07/richard-noble-walks-across-america-to-spread-his-dream-of-lgbt-equality/
> >> >
> >> Walk Across America
> >> II<
> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/todd-fernandez/richard-noble-walk-across-america_b_1597142.html
> >> >
> >> The Prophecy of Marriage
> >> Equality<
> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-m-russell/richard-noble-on-equality_b_758321.html
> >> >
> >>
> >> *ENDORSE THE PLEDGE FOR FULL LGBT EQUALITY*
> >> *HERE<http://www.actonprinciples.org/thepledge/>
> >> *
> >> *NO BULLIES VIDEO HERE <http://youtu.be/trqW3OAaduI>*
> >>
> >> *Richard Noble, activist *
> >> *WALK ACROSS AMERICA*
> >> *760-992-4172*
> >>
> >> .
> >_______________________________________________
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> >All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:58:43 -0700
> From: Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Payphones and Collect Calls
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <6c8nbsssx7wixiw2uvpu2mr3.1366937923204 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I don't think using a pre-paid phone card helps. I used one in Yosemite and got 2 short calls for $20.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone
>
> Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
> >That's partly why I hung up on the call the first time. I could not
> >hear the person say their name, and it was MCI which is a shady no-
> >good company I do not wish to have any access to my credit card info.
> >
> >Hey, in the spirit of Bipolar's post about not listening to the hype,
> >let me reassure you that even though I reported that TrailHacker says
> >Spanish Needle creek was like September after a hot dry summer, I
> >hiked there in mid-October once and there still was water then. Not
> >trying to post any hype.
> >
> >
> >On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> >> Subject: [pct-l] Payphones and Collect Calls
> >> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >> Message-ID: <BLU177-DS79BBFAC0B9F668F139DC5AEB60 at phx.gbl>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> Ref: [pct-l] Anybody seen TrailHacker?
> >>
> >> I can't help with Trailhacker's location, but as an aside on this
> >> message
> >> thread, I would caution folks to be very circumspect about using
> >> pay phones
> >> for collect calls. I did that at White Pass outside the Kracker
> >> Barrel store
> >> and ended up with an $84 bill for a five minute phone call.
> >> Complaining to
> >> AT&T didn't help as they said they were just passing on the bill
> >> from the
> >> third party that owned the payphone. I called the third party and
> >> spoke to
> >> somebody overseas - Africa I think - and they were quite willing to
> >> haggle a
> >> little but even after that I still felt it shouldn't have been so
> >> expensive.
> >> As a matter of principle I wrote them a long letter accusing them of
> >> predatory pricing and anything else I could think of (I'm an
> >> engineer, not a
> >> lawyer) and threatened to report them to the FCC if they didn't
> >> reduce it to
> >> less than $10. The threat worked as they wrote it off eventually,
> >> but it was
> >> way more hassle than it was worth. With cell phone coverage and
> >> wifi access
> >> getting so much better every year, this is probably not such an
> >> issue. But
> >> as a last resort, a phone card is lot cheaper way to go and a lot
> >> lighter
> >> than a roll of quarters.
> >>
> >> Peanut Eater
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Pct-L mailing list
> >Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >To unsubscribe, or change options visit:
> >http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> >List Archives:
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> >Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:04:52 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> To: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <0B98CBB2-425B-40D6-8136-973DE03BDFDC at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Reno?! Good Lord! If he can get to Mojave it's only a 3 hour drive
> for me to come get him. Santa Clarita even closer.
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Bob Bankhead wrote:
>
> > Not to worry. There is a county bus that runs between Lone Pine and
> > Bishop,
> > where he can catch the ESTA bus right to Reno airport.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:34:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Post walk across America. The PCT Next?
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <1366940095.13594.YahooMailClassic at web140803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> It isn't clear to me why government, at any level, is involved in marriage in the first place. Why someone would support more government oversight of our personal lives is a puzzle to me. Nevertheless I don't think it is my place to tell Richard he can't walk in the woods with his friends and talk about whatever he wants to anyone who cares to listen. Odds are most of the people on the trail will have no idea he's out there.
>
> If I wanted to promote a cause I would set up a table and stock it with food and a bunch of handouts on my cause. After the bulk of the herd had passed I would move up trail a few hundred miles and do it again. I would be universally loved (a nice change from my current situation) and get into half the blogs and trail journals written that year.
>
> Nathan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:37:39 -0700
> From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Attn: JMT Reinhold
> To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <545D515E-7BB3-4AB9-A8F5-E29B737FADDA at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Reinhold,
> The problem I have with your excuse to me is that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt because I don't know you. When I expressed this opinion to the PCT board, I received an avalanche of emails that expressed an opinion otherwise about you.
>
> >From the information I have gathered from all this is, if you truly want to be a gentleman to this board and, to all that share our ideas here, please don't post again.
>
> I think that would be the most respectful thing you can do.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Terry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes Terry,....so true.
> > As always some overly serious individuals on the list can't differentiate
> > between humor and straight talk and take everything dead serious.
> > Just in case you overly serious folks have not yet comprehended the real
> > meaning,...it was "Trail Humor",...that's all,...NOT an attack on women.
> > Get over it, quit gnashing your teeth, don't get all uptight it is not good for you.
> > I am "Old School"....I treat my women right...put them on a pedestal and treat
> > them like a princess....any woman who really got to know me will tell you that.
> > For you overly serious folks' information the vast majority of responses that
> > I got off list, like always were...he,he,he,he,...you crack me up Reinhold...that
> > was funny.
> > One women thought it was hilarious and asked my permission to present it
> > at a women hiker forum.
> > Obviously she realized it as trail humor, not an attack on women.
> > But, like always, that is off list from the silent majority, while the noisy minority
> > makes a lot of noise on the list in the form of insults and hateful ranting in
> > response to some silly trail humor.
> > That should tell you something about their mentality.
> >
> > I look at life from a humorous, happy go lucky point of view and therefore
> > tend to inject humor in most everything I do.
> > Most folks recognize it as humor, not an insult and just laugh at it.
> > However, some folks who take everything dead serious may not recognize
> > it as humor and get upset and respond accordingly.
> > To our overly serious members I'll say,...loosen up,...don't be so serious,...
> > put some humor in your life,...don't let little things upset you...IT 'S NOT
> > GOOD FOR YOU.
> > JMT Reinhold
> > Your happy go lucky trail companion
> > ------------------------------------------.
> > [pct-l] Attn: JMT Reinhold
> >
> > Terry tsparks56 at aol.com
> > Julia,
> > I do believe JMT's post was very much "tongue in cheek".
> > Many times things get misunderstood when in the written word, we
> > don't have the benefit of voice inflection to let others know our
> > statement is being made in a fun way.
> > I don't know Reinold personally but, I have read enough of his post
> > to know he is a good person and in no way trying to insult anyone.
> >
> > Terry
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:46:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] IT BAND INJURY
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <1366940787.48856.YahooMailClassic at web140804.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> It would be a bit of an exaggeration to say my foam roller changed my life but it has improved it a bit, Runner's World calls them magical, I agree. I carried a 6 inch diameter, 1 ft long foam roller with me on my two week camping trip in the Sierras last August. It was a bother to pack but it improves my leg function enough that it was worth the trouble. A Bear Vault might work as a replacement, I will have to check that this year.
>
> Nathan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:59:31 -0700
> From: Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Attn: JMT Reinhold
> To: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>, Reinhold Metzger
> <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <6djx0f3m52d6dw7wu541jts3.1366941571623 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> You heard from the "PCT Board?" Interesting because the PCT-L has NO board. Accept his explanation as honest and move on. He has been posting his humor (mostly tongue-in-cheek) for years. Those of us who aren't newbies accept it at face value. Get over yourself.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone
>
> Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Reinhold,
> >The problem I have with your excuse to me is that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt because I don't know you. When I expressed this opinion to the PCT board, I received an avalanche of emails that expressed an opinion otherwise about you.
> >
> >>From the information I have gathered from all this is, if you truly want to be a gentleman to this board and, to all that share our ideas here, please don't post again.
> >
> >I think that would be the most respectful thing you can do.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Terry
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >On Apr 25, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes Terry,....so true.
> >> As always some overly serious individuals on the list can't differentiate
> >> between humor and straight talk and take everything dead serious.
> >> Just in case you overly serious folks have not yet comprehended the real
> >> meaning,...it was "Trail Humor",...that's all,...NOT an attack on women.
> >> Get over it, quit gnashing your teeth, don't get all uptight it is not good for you.
> >> I am "Old School"....I treat my women right...put them on a pedestal and treat
> >> them like a princess....any woman who really got to know me will tell you that.
> >> For you overly serious folks' information the vast majority of responses that
> >> I got off list, like always were...he,he,he,he,...you crack me up Reinhold...that
> >> was funny.
> >> One women thought it was hilarious and asked my permission to present it
> >> at a women hiker forum.
> >> Obviously she realized it as trail humor, not an attack on women.
> >> But, like always, that is off list from the silent majority, while the noisy minority
> >> makes a lot of noise on the list in the form of insults and hateful ranting in
> >> response to some silly trail humor.
> >> That should tell you something about their mentality.
> >>
> >> I look at life from a humorous, happy go lucky point of view and therefore
> >> tend to inject humor in most everything I do.
> >> Most folks recognize it as humor, not an insult and just laugh at it.
> >> However, some folks who take everything dead serious may not recognize
> >> it as humor and get upset and respond accordingly.
> >> To our overly serious members I'll say,...loosen up,...don't be so serious,...
> >> put some humor in your life,...don't let little things upset you...IT 'S NOT
> >> GOOD FOR YOU.
> >> JMT Reinhold
> >> Your happy go lucky trail companion
> >> ------------------------------------------.
> >> [pct-l] Attn: JMT Reinhold
> >>
> >> Terry tsparks56 at aol.com
> >> Julia,
> >> I do believe JMT's post was very much "tongue in cheek".
> >> Many times things get misunderstood when in the written word, we
> >> don't have the benefit of voice inflection to let others know our
> >> statement is being made in a fun way.
> >> I don't know Reinold personally but, I have read enough of his post
> >> to know he is a good person and in no way trying to insult anyone.
> >>
> >> Terry
> >_______________________________________________
> >Pct-L mailing list
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> >Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:06:05 -0700
> From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Attn: JMT Reinhold
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <CAJmjT_n6=Hykc6BD5k1y5WwNsXMt70xsBz60qhnKE4mHXZY=Tw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I think Terry was referring to the listserv as a "board" (message board),
> not any kind of board of people in charge :(
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > You heard from the "PCT Board?" Interesting because the PCT-L has NO
> > board. Accept his explanation as honest and move on. He has been posting
> > his humor (mostly tongue-in-cheek) for years. Those of us who aren't
> > newbies accept it at face value. Get over yourself.
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone
> >
> > Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Reinhold,
> > >The problem I have with your excuse to me is that I was giving you the
> > benefit of the doubt because I don't know you. When I expressed this
> > opinion to the PCT board, I received an avalanche of emails that expressed
> > an opinion otherwise about you.
> > >
> > >>From the information I have gathered from all this is, if you truly want
> > to be a gentleman to this board and, to all that share our ideas here,
> > please don't post again.
> > >
> > >I think that would be the most respectful thing you can do.
> > >
> > >Sincerely,
> > >
> > >Terry
> > >
> > >Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >On Apr 25, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes Terry,....so true.
> > >> As always some overly serious individuals on the list can't
> > differentiate
> > >> between humor and straight talk and take everything dead serious.
> > >> Just in case you overly serious folks have not yet comprehended the real
> > >> meaning,...it was "Trail Humor",...that's all,...NOT an attack on
> > women.
> > >> Get over it, quit gnashing your teeth, don't get all uptight it is not
> > good for you.
> > >> I am "Old School"....I treat my women right...put them on a pedestal
> > and treat
> > >> them like a princess....any woman who really got to know me will tell
> > you that.
> > >> For you overly serious folks' information the vast majority of
> > responses that
> > >> I got off list, like always were...he,he,he,he,...you crack me up
> > Reinhold...that
> > >> was funny.
> > >> One women thought it was hilarious and asked my permission to present it
> > >> at a women hiker forum.
> > >> Obviously she realized it as trail humor, not an attack on women.
> > >> But, like always, that is off list from the silent majority, while the
> > noisy minority
> > >> makes a lot of noise on the list in the form of insults and hateful
> > ranting in
> > >> response to some silly trail humor.
> > >> That should tell you something about their mentality.
> > >>
> > >> I look at life from a humorous, happy go lucky point of view and
> > therefore
> > >> tend to inject humor in most everything I do.
> > >> Most folks recognize it as humor, not an insult and just laugh at it.
> > >> However, some folks who take everything dead serious may not recognize
> > >> it as humor and get upset and respond accordingly.
> > >> To our overly serious members I'll say,...loosen up,...don't be so
> > serious,...
> > >> put some humor in your life,...don't let little things upset you...IT
> > 'S NOT
> > >> GOOD FOR YOU.
> > >> JMT Reinhold
> > >> Your happy go lucky trail companion
> > >> ------------------------------------------.
> > >> [pct-l] Attn: JMT Reinhold
> > >>
> > >> Terry tsparks56 at aol.com
> > >> Julia,
> > >> I do believe JMT's post was very much "tongue in cheek".
> > >> Many times things get misunderstood when in the written word, we
> > >> don't have the benefit of voice inflection to let others know our
> > >> statement is being made in a fun way.
> > >> I don't know Reinold personally but, I have read enough of his post
> > >> to know he is a good person and in no way trying to insult anyone.
> > >>
> > >> Terry
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:08:35 -0700
> From: "A.C. Scott " <acscottthefirst at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Post walk across America. The PCT Next?
> To: Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>, David Thibault
> <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>, pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <14mydc5totf4ju0jfoa8xo4a.1366942115769 at email.android.com>
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> But I. Hike the trail to support. The Oregon Ducks
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
> Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >I strongly agree. Leave politics out of it.
> >Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone
> >
> >David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>While I support your cause I don't think this is a good idea.
> >>
> >>If you want ot hike the PCT then please just hike the PCT everyone is
> >>welcome on the trail. What I don't want to see is ANY political activity
> >>on the trail. I go to the trail to get away frrom news, publicity,
> >>politics, normal life issues, etc. The PCT is an attempt at a wilderness
> >>experience - ask yourself: will I do doing something to harm that
> >>experience for others. Being out there looking for media attention to a
> >>cause - any cause - takes away from the purpose of the trail.
> >>
> >>Hope to see you out there - but as a hiker enjoying the wilderness - not as
> >>a poltical activist using the trail for there own agenda.
> >>
> >>
> >>Day-Late
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I am exploring the idea of walking the PCT with a bunch of like minded
> >>> equality folks. Anyone up for talking about it?
> >>> Richard Noble, Walk Across America
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> *IN THE NEWS LINKS*
> >>> Walk Across America
> >>> I<
> >>> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2012/07/richard-noble-walks-across-america-to-spread-his-dream-of-lgbt-equality/
> >>> >
> >>> Walk Across America
> >>> II<
> >>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/todd-fernandez/richard-noble-walk-across-america_b_1597142.html
> >>> >
> >>> The Prophecy of Marriage
> >>> Equality<
> >>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-m-russell/richard-noble-on-equality_b_758321.html
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> *ENDORSE THE PLEDGE FOR FULL LGBT EQUALITY*
> >>> *HERE<http://www.actonprinciples.org/thepledge/>
> >>> *
> >>> *NO BULLIES VIDEO HERE <http://youtu.be/trqW3OAaduI>*
> >>>
> >>> *Richard Noble, activist *
> >>> *WALK ACROSS AMERICA*
> >>> *760-992-4172*
> >>>
> >>> .
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> Message: 26
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:13:12 -0700
> From: "A.C. Scott " <acscottthefirst at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Post walk across America. The PCT Next?
> To: Richard Noble <nobleword at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <duqphuw31itgp4odip4kdqat.1366942392186 at email.android.com>
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> Hey Richard in one way all though hikers are like minded. Getting to canda
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
> Richard Noble <nobleword at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I am exploring the idea of walking the PCT with a bunch of like minded
> >equality folks. Anyone up for talking about it?
> >Richard Noble, Walk Across America
> >
> >--
> >*IN THE NEWS LINKS*
> >Walk Across America
> >I<http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2012/07/richard-noble-walks-across-america-to-spread-his-dream-of-lgbt-equality/>
> >Walk Across America
> >II<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/todd-fernandez/richard-noble-walk-across-america_b_1597142.html>
> >The Prophecy of Marriage
> >Equality<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-m-russell/richard-noble-on-equality_b_758321.html>
> >
> >*ENDORSE THE PLEDGE FOR FULL LGBT EQUALITY*
> >*HERE<http://www.actonprinciples.org/thepledge/>
> >*
> >*NO BULLIES VIDEO HERE <http://youtu.be/trqW3OAaduI>*
> >
> >*Richard Noble, activist *
> >*WALK ACROSS AMERICA*
> >*760-992-4172*
> >
> >*"Life is a song-sing it. Life is a game-play it. Life is a challenge-meet
> >it. Life is a dream-realize it. Life is a sacrifice-offer it. Life is
> >love-enjoy it." *Sai Baba
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> Message: 27
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:15:47 -0700
> From: "A.C. Scott " <acscottthefirst at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] water between Cajon Pass and Wrightwood
> To: Johanna Santore <johanna.santore at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <kydch0vnls9xm74al3pu9clb.1366942547517 at email.android.com>
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> Was just there thanks for the water ninja tortoise
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
> Johanna Santore <johanna.santore at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I am checking on the water daily at the cache at Swarthout Canyon 5 miles
> >approximately after the McDonalds Stopover (everybody stops at MC's) at
> >the 15 fwy in Cajon Pass. There are 12 gallons there at the moment, did
> >put 20 but someone took 8 of them (someone with a car probably) and will
> >buy more by the weekend. Good luck everyone and hope to meet a few of you
> >this year. We usually stop by and check in the evening to replenish.
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> Message: 28
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:18:27 -0700
> From: "A.C. Scott " <acscottthefirst at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Keeping track of one another
> To: Halmargolis at aol.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <oxy5f8xocuvka7vgh818u2qo.1366942707406 at email.android.com>
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> Playing. Marco. Polo across hi canyons. Is a lot of fun. Ninja tortoise
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
> Halmargolis at aol.com wrote:
>
> >Kendall,
> >
> >Diane's idea of placing a pole on the opposite side while doing it in the
> >bush is great!
> >Many use posting at registers and numerous posts. Used a whistle (1 blast
> >to announce location or to acknowledge, 2 blasts to request a blast or
> >yell, and three blasts, come to me. A high frequency yell, a Whoop whoop was
> >more fun. Being familiar with one another's footprint MAY help. Also,
> >simply ask southbounders if they saw him. What worked most of the time is
> >agreeing to not go any further than a certain pleasant spot or eatery and wait.
> >My favorite, if ahead, is writing my initials on the trail with the time of
> > day.
> >
> >Hal "Green Hornet"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 4/25/2013 10:00:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >pct-l-request at backcountry.net writes:
> >
> >. Does anyone have a good system for keeping track of your partner
> >> on the
> >> trail?
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>
> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:28:43 -0700
> From: Kev <hikevv at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Next Section E Work Project: May 18
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <5179E65B.4040901 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On May 18 the PCTA Trail Gorillas will hold a trail
> project in Section E in the northwest corner of the Angeles National
> Forest.
>
> We'll be brushing the trail in Mile 502 near Bear Campground on Liebre
> Mountain.
>
> Volunteers should meet at 0715-0730 at the pullout at the junction of
> Pine Canyon Rd and Forest Rd 7N23 (labeled "Bushnell Summit" on many
> maps), here:
> http://goo.gl/maps/ABPnV
> A high-clearance vehicle is required to access the area, but
> riders can recombine into other trucks from Bushnell Summit.
>
> PCTA will supply all equipment, PPE and tools.
>
> Volunteers will need to bring leather work gloves, robust footwear, sun
> protection, long pants / long-sleeved shirts for working in brush; a
> sack lunch and their water for the day. Only a very short hike is
> required to access the work.
>
> Feel free to forward this announcement on to other interested parties.
> As the date approaches I will provide any additional details to those
> signing up.
> Please respond directly to Section Chief Dave Fleischman
> <owldave57 at gmail.com> or me <hikevv at gmail.com> if interested in
> volunteering.
>
> THANKS,
>
> Kevin Corcoran
> PCTA Region 1 Sec E Volunteer Area Coordinator
> http://pct1e.blogspot.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:50:50 -0700
> From: Anthony Biegen <ajbiegen at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Preliminary hike report - Cottonwood Bridge to Trail
> Pass
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CA+wSontsavy5xYE2tfmGxHr-4g_8AMOcd-4Yh0XBjMXD_OEuKQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Since everyone is at kickoff I wanted to get this info out as soon as
> possible. Just completed this section which I will refer to as my upside
> down trip - 27 degrees in Tehachapi and 80 at Warner Springs.
>
> First of all the overall water report. Water was seen at all the expect
> locations. I will file a detailed report later. I happened to run into the
> couple the own the property in Spanish Needle and they summed it up very
> well. As three trail crossing of Spanish Needle Creek were flowing. Looked
> fine to me. I was able to fill my bottles in second at the second
> crosssing. But the owner described it this way, "It looks like September
> flow after a really bad rain winter." There is water out there now but we
> may have to rethink the water report assumption that there was water at
> some places in 2007 which was the driest year so it will always be
> available. This year may change that. The owner at Spanish Needle says that
> they are only at 35% of normal this year and that is the lowest he has ever
> seen.
>
> The good news for hikers is that there is virtually no snow on the trail
> all the way to Trail Pass. I did see some small patches of snow but no more
> than your average Blenders couldn't use up in an afternoon. No exposure,
> no danger, no need for ice ax or special footware. Send your ice ax to Lone
> Pine. I should say the my hike stopped at Trail Pass and the snowless
> status may extend further. Maybe send your ice ax to Oregon or Washington
> or to Ned. Not sure. Wait till some more reports come in.
>
> Bad news for California - it's really dry up there. The rhododendrons all
> have brown leaf tips from the excess heat up there. Today near 10000 feet I
> was grabbing what little ice I could to cool down. It must have been 65 or
> more up there today. The future looks dry. Not good for California.
>
> TrailHacker
> Ralaxing in Lone Pine with perfectly dry feet.
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Tony
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:58:51 -0700
> From: Cari and Pete Tucker <pct2010video at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 64, Issue 31
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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>
> Sonora Pass would be the last place you can pick up a bear can going Sobo
> and remain legal, as you get into the northern part of Yosemite, where
> canisters are required, shortly thereafter. It's a bit of a hassle getting
> down to Kennedy Meadows (north) and back, although the staff there is
> definitely hiker friendly.
>
> However, you might consider getting your can as far north as Sierra City.
> When we were going SoBo (on a flip strategy) in 2010, we got a bear in camp
> at 4:00 AM when we were cowboy camping on the trail near one of the Lake
> Tahoe ski areas, about two days north of Echo Lake. Fortunately, I woke
> up before he got into our food bag, and he fled the scene as soon as I sat
> up . . . . but I could have reached out and touched him. . . which is much
> too close for comfort.
>
> -Sheepdog
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kendall Comey <kendall.comey at gmail.com>
> To: . <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:12 pm
> Subject: [pct-l] Subject: Subject: 2 Questions
>
>
> 1. Does anyone have a good system for keeping track of your partner on the
> trail? I'll be hiking with my husband and would like to be sure I know if
> he's behind me or ahead of me when we are hiking separately and taking
> pitstops, etc.
>
> 2. Is anyone else going sobo? If so, where are you planning on picking up
> your bear canister?
>
> Thanks gang!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:31:49 -0700
> From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <841DF59F-836E-462C-A59E-4566ED9F691A at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hey Diane, if you think Reno is bad, what would you do if he ends up in Eugene?
>
> :)
>
> Terry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
> > Reno?! Good Lord! If he can get to Mojave it's only a 3 hour drive
> > for me to come get him. Santa Clarita even closer.
> >
> > On Apr 25, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Bob Bankhead wrote:
> >
> >> Not to worry. There is a county bus that runs between Lone Pine and
> >> Bishop,
> >> where he can catch the ESTA bus right to Reno airport.
> >>
> >>
> >
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> Message: 33
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 00:20:35 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Preliminary hike report - Cottonwood Bridge to
> Trail Pass
> To: Anthony Biegen <ajbiegen at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CALV1NznPemHQX_wzeqGdRsC_V7yJ01GQVcFihJuSTa-QmFETtg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Anthony Biegen <ajbiegen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > . Maybe send your ice ax to Oregon or Washington
> > or to Ned.
>
> Send some Op-Sacks to Mendo Rider too???
>
> :-)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 34
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:37:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: tom aterno <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <1366976230.60216.YahooMailClassic at web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Piper,
>
> The ranch on the road to Horseshoe Meadows is De La Cour Ranch.
>
> http://www.delacour-ranch.com/
>
>
> The Incredible Bulk
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/25/13, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 5:08 PM
>
> I shouldn't have worried so much. TrailHacker is alive.
>
> He provides the following information. Hopefully he'll be home soon?
> to post whatever I forgot or misunderstood.
>
> 1. The Spanish Needle creeks, according to the ranch owner of the?
> area, look like they would in September after a hot dry summer. But?
> there was water.
>
> 2. In fact, there was water everywhere there was supposed to be water.
>
> 3. It was 27 degrees one day leaving Tehachapi and 80 the other day?
> in Kennedy Meadows. He thinks this seems a little backwards.
>
> 4. There was almost no snow at all on Olancha pass. Almost no snow?
> between Kennedy Meadows and Trail Pass where he exited. Mt. Langley?
> looked like it didn't have much snow left on it.
>
> 5. He saw a fighter jet about 100 feet directly overhead flying?
> upside down. He could see the guy in the cockpit.
>
> He's hiking down the road (it's still closed) to some resort with?
> Lilac in the name. I can't find it doing a google search. He's going?
> to stay there tonight. It's 12 miles from the Trail Pass trailhead?
> down that road. Hopefully he can figure out transportation home. If?
> anyone is going to Kickoff on Friday and is in the area of Lone Pine,?
> maybe you could help him get part way to Santa Barbara and I can pick?
> him up somewhere like Mojave? If so, I can send you his phone number?
> or give him yours, if there is cell service at that resort. Otherwise?
> hopefully someone will see his forelorn figure continuing down the?
> lonely road to Lone Pine.
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> > ??? <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> >
> > Still haven't heard from TrailHacker.
> >
> > Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like right now? A lot of snow? How
> > is the weather up there? It's sort of strange here in Santa Barbara.
> > Sort of like rain.
>
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> Message: 35
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:22:46 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> To: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <29BE34EC-0B64-4D9C-95B9-88C204D8AE48 at santabarbarahikes.com>
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>
> Reno's not bad, just way too far away! If he ended up in Eugene,
> well, we'd just have to move there.
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:31 PM, Terry wrote:
>
> > Hey Diane, if you think Reno is bad, what would you do if he ends
> > up in Eugene?
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes
> > <diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Reno?! Good Lord! If he can get to Mojave it's only a 3 hour drive
> >> for me to come get him. Santa Clarita even closer.
> >>
> >> On Apr 25, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Bob Bankhead wrote:
> >>
> >>> Not to worry. There is a county bus that runs between Lone Pine and
> >>> Bishop,
> >>> where he can catch the ESTA bus right to Reno airport.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> Message: 36
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:25:13 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> To: tom aterno <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <70ED8357-4FAB-4C7A-8336-1429E286D4C1 at santabarbarahikes.com>
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>
> Actually, he called me from the Pizza place in Lone Pine and will see
> if he can get south. He says it's really pretty in Lone Pine right
> now. Lone Pine is 5.5 or so hours away so it would be a long drive to
> pick him up.
>
> On Apr 26, 2013, at 4:37 AM, tom aterno wrote:
>
> > Piper,
> >
> > The ranch on the road to Horseshoe Meadows is De La Cour Ranch.
> >
> > http://www.delacour-ranch.com/
> >
> >
> > The Incredible Bulk
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 37
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:15:36 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anybody know what Olancha Pass is like?
> To: "'Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes'"
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>, "'tom aterno'" <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <001c01ce4290$e839a9a0$b8acfce0$@comcast.net>
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>
> PROVE YOUR LOVE, BABE!
>
> Or you could always take the tack that "You got yourself into this mess; you
> get yourself out".
>
> :-D
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 38
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:31:25 -0700
> From: rikaandoli at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Doctor/allergist near paradise cafe?
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>, Pct-l
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <3A6036BC-E260-4CEF-BC1A-B9C3670A04FC at gmail.com>
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> It's some kind of hay fever like reaction. Itchy, puffy, crusty eyes, sneezing and stuffed sinuses. His eyes swelled shut last year by the time we got to Cajon.
>
> We just got to Paradise Cafe, so we'll go hitch to the clinic in Idyllwild after some breakfast.
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Double Sprainbow
>
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What is itchy about him? Poison oak kind of itchy or itchy/watery eyes? Because I get PO really badly and have a strong reaction to bee stings, I always carry a few prednisone pills. They are the only thing that actually gets rid of the reactions in a matter of a day. It's strong stuff, but I only use a small dose, for 2 to 3 days which is short term. I'm not sure if this is on target as I don't know what he's reacting to.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:11 AM, <rikaandoli at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Does anybody know of an allergist or doctor that Oli could see when we get to Paradise Cafe in a couple days? He's taking over the counter stuff, but its starting to act up pretty bad. Looks like his trail name of Itchy might make a comeback. Any help is greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Rika (aka Double Sprainbow)
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> Message: 39
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:15:51 -0600
> From: Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Post walk across America. The PCT Next?
> To: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I have to say that I disagree that walking for a cause is somehow
> antithetical to a wilderness experience on the PCT. People hike for all
> kinds of reasons, and I welcome Richard's enthusiasm for LGBTQ equality and
> his passion for walking to the Pacific Crest Trail. I concede the point
> that many of us go into the wild to distance ourselves from politics; but I
> can tell you that what may seem like a political issue to some is really
> not a political issue for others. For me, partly because I am described to
> some extent by those five letters, equality doesn't feel like a political
> position at all, yet it is something that I care deeply about. Sure,
> equality for gay and lesbian people is something the Supreme Court is about
> to decide on, and this-or-that piece of legislation may or may not be
> constitutional, but that doesn't make this a *purely *political issue.
> There's politics in cancer research and protecting habitat for endangered
> critters too, but I think we would all welcome someone walking the PCT for
> those causes.
> On the subject of walking across the United States and equality, please
> check out http://www.facesforchange.com/ ; Joe Bell, the father of a 15
> year old gay teen that tragically commited suicide after being intensely
> bullied by his classmates in LaGrande Oregon, has just left on a 5000 mile
> journey to New York to raise anti-bullying awareness. Best of luck Joe!
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:25 PM, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > While I support your cause I don't think this is a good idea.
> >
> > If you want ot hike the PCT then please just hike the PCT everyone is
> > welcome on the trail. What I don't want to see is ANY political activity
> > on the trail. I go to the trail to get away frrom news, publicity,
> > politics, normal life issues, etc. The PCT is an attempt at a wilderness
> > experience - ask yourself: will I do doing something to harm that
> > experience for others. Being out there looking for media attention to a
> > cause - any cause - takes away from the purpose of the trail.
> >
> > Hope to see you out there - but as a hiker enjoying the wilderness - not as
> > a poltical activist using the trail for there own agenda.
> >
> >
> > Day-Late
> >
> >
> >
> > > I am exploring the idea of walking the PCT with a bunch of like minded
> > > equality folks. Anyone up for talking about it?
> > > Richard Noble, Walk Across America
> > >
> > > --
> > > *IN THE NEWS LINKS*
> > > Walk Across America
> > > I<
> > >
> > http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2012/07/richard-noble-walks-across-america-to-spread-his-dream-of-lgbt-equality/
> > > >
> > > Walk Across America
> > > II<
> > >
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/todd-fernandez/richard-noble-walk-across-america_b_1597142.html
> > > >
> > > The Prophecy of Marriage
> > > Equality<
> > >
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-m-russell/richard-noble-on-equality_b_758321.html
> > > >
> > >
> > > *ENDORSE THE PLEDGE FOR FULL LGBT EQUALITY*
> > > *HERE<http://www.actonprinciples.org/thepledge/>
> > > *
> > > *NO BULLIES VIDEO HERE <http://youtu.be/trqW3OAaduI>*
> > >
> > > *Richard Noble, activist *
> > > *WALK ACROSS AMERICA*
> > > *760-992-4172*
> > >
> > > .
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