[pct-l] Your use of PCT-L messages

Thu Sep 20 15:50:52 CDT 2012

And MendoRider's posting of this private message from Dan  to the list
is also a violation of email etiquette.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Edward Anderson
<mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> My mistake. I felt that it is important that the manufacturer be aware of legitimite complaints. I seriously doubt that either Lindsey or Isabella would object. I agree that I should have gotten their permission first. You are right - next time I will seek permission first.
>
> MendoRider
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:41 PM
> Subject: Your use of PCT-L messages
>
>
> Howdy! My name is Dan, and I an fairly new to the list. I have only lurked, and occasionally reply privately to someone's list message. I humbly appreciate all of the knowledge and experience that is available.
> I wanted to tell you that I understand why you are using other folk's messages, but I am curious if you seek their permission first? If nothing else, there is a copyright notice at the bottom of each message addressed to the list. I doubt it would hold any water in court, if anyone even got upset enough to go there. I understand how you feel living do close to fire danger, as I grew up in Solana Beach, CA, and I have also worked at some fires as part of a volunteer communications group.
> Should you ever consider it, you do not have my permission to use anything I submit for any purpose without my explicit permission. I simply want to make that clear since you have demonstrated that you will use what others say. I can, and will, speak for myself when the need arises. I can appreciate the use of the idea of something I say being used to help make a point or to help another, but I personally would not copy someone's writing verbatim without their permission. I hope you understand.
> Again, thank you for your effort and experience. I read every message to PCT-L with a great deal of interest.
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
> On Sep 20, 2012 11:02 AM, "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Jetboil Customer Service,
>>
>>It is important that you know about these complaints. Have you now made changes/improvements. I have an older Jetboil and am very happy with it. Was considering getting one of the newer Titanium models. I will pause, awaiting recent reviews.
>>
>>Ed Andereson
>>
>>----- Forwarded Message -----
>>From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
>>To: Isabella <isabella at bendnet.com>
>>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:57 AM
>>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Titanium backpacker stoves
>>
>>It's interesting that you mention the new Jetboil models having issues.
>>I've been reading reviews on the REI site, and while overall the
>>general consensus is great, people have a few complaints:
>>
>>- The igniter is terrible at high altitude. almost always resulting in
>>having to use a match or lighter.
>>- The sleeve feels flimsy. However, it appears that they'v been replacing
>>these free of charge with a more robust version.
>>
>>I'm wondering if they're sacrificing some quality for lightweight-ness. I'm
>>thinking I might test one out just to sate my curiosity though :)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Lindsey
>>
>>On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Isabella <isabella at bendnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've carried a Jetboil for about 7 years.   The bottom line is that it
>>> ALWAYS ends up as the default stove for speed, cooking in the tent when
>>> it's pouring outside and simplicity of use.....no matches.......against
>>> pocket rockets, alcohol and wood burning stoves.   And I can get 10 days of
>>> use out of a small can of fuel making a hot breakfast, hot dinner and a big
>>> cup of tea every day.
>>>
>>> I just upgraded to the Titanium one a couple of years ago
>>>
>>> I have been very disappointed in my Titanium Jetboil.  It doesn't light up
>>> on the first press of the button like my original one does (every single
>>> time for years....no matter what the air temperature was).
>>>
>>> And then this year a piece of the heat disperser just fell off the stove
>>> when it was running one day.  I returned it to REI and got a new one. The
>>> new one failed to light and we even had to use a match to start it.  I took
>>> it back.  Just got another new one but will not take it in the field until
>>> it is garage tested a number of times.  Are they trying to build too many
>>> too fast?......or?
>>>
>>> Maybe I'll go back to carrying my original Jetboil........tried and true!!!
>>>
>>> Mademoiselle
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Sommer" <lgsommer at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Titanium backpacker stoves
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  All this talk of the Jetboil lately makes me want to look into one
>>>> actually! They've always seemed clunky, but more stable than the MSR
>>>> pocket
>>>> rocket + pot that I use. The new ones look nice, other than the
>>>> flimsy sleeve, but Jetboil has apparently been replacing these for free.
>>>> Something to think about...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I forgot to mention in my last post that the very fuel efficient new
>>>>> Jetboil Titanium stoves sold at REI include another safety and
>>>>> convenience
>>>>> feature - a built-in wind shield. A "cozy" to help keep your food warm is
>>>>> also standard. With the increased availability of fuel canisters and that
>>>>> they can legally be shipped via UPS, the titanium stoves should become
>>>>> attractive to even the UL hikers.
>>>>>
>>>>> MendoRider
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